Who else here has never watched a single minute of any Logan Paul video?
@brandonbaxter7307
5 күн бұрын
Well the fact that you and whoever likes your comment is currently watching you have in fact, watched at least a minute now…
@dbarobwood
5 күн бұрын
Me
@BoosterShotss
4 күн бұрын
Because Logan Paul is a scammer a horrible person he scammed his own fans!
@kevinlee983
4 күн бұрын
never watched. is he the boxer or...his bro?
@AnnoyingMoose
3 күн бұрын
@@brandonbaxter7307 I just watched a Cliffe Knetchtle video - I have no idea who this Logan Paul kid is.
@timothygarrett2785
5 күн бұрын
I’m tired of people trying to blame God for their own corruption and sin
@tableauxofficial7895
3 күн бұрын
we all are, but its "all part of the show ." let them come at us and die in their sin, its like a bee who stings anything out of anger and dies from taking that action. its honestly not a shocker anymore. Even Jesus said, they despise you because of me; just focus on your walk and leave the rest in his hands
@blueskies666
3 күн бұрын
Everything is Gods will
@Dayyummm-
3 күн бұрын
Im tired of the religious not blaming their God for what he's clearly responsible for based on their own description of their God. If God is who you say he is, then he IS responsible for your corruption and sin by default. If I'm wrong.. then so are you about your god
@ciellopezduarte6023
3 күн бұрын
Logan es cochon
@shogo359
2 күн бұрын
@@Dayyummm- We are the reason why we live in Sin not God. Adam and Eve and all that.
@mstammy2u800
6 күн бұрын
We don’t live according to our “feelings” but according to the word of God.
@omegatiger8321
4 күн бұрын
Indeed
@doingthings5735
3 күн бұрын
Right. We have no choice. Wonderful word.
@Eco-VillePatagoniaChile
3 күн бұрын
That's basically having to submit on all fronts, rather than be like god and create. So many dualities, can endless debate them, but overal too tiresome for majority. Can preach for another 2000 years, not gonna change.
@bakura0
Күн бұрын
@@doingthings5735welp we all have choice and every choice there will be a consequence good and bad ones. 🎉
@peaceandfood7952
23 сағат бұрын
@@mstammy2u800 and that's the sad part...
@delmarfo
7 күн бұрын
It's funny that nobody will ever challenge Muslims in the same way.
@armadilis4198
6 күн бұрын
No, the alphabet people try to tie in with muslims like they are the same. Very odd.
@Fx_Explains
4 күн бұрын
@@armadilis4198 well we are clear in our beliefs, if you act on it then you are sining etc.. The LGBTQcz is major Haram and they are trying to infiltrate Us to make our kids think it's OK but Us Muslims will not be falling for that.
@xxCelticFC
4 күн бұрын
I’ve seen Christian’s multiple times challenge them but they are so hard wired to being closed minded it usually goes no where.
@keepingit100-ss3hx
3 күн бұрын
As Jesus Said, a house divided against itself cannot stand. Islam is Satanic. Satan doesn't want to draw any negative attention to a religion that is to pull people closer to him. He wants to crush the Truth about Christ.
@AmazonWebService98
3 күн бұрын
Because according to their God theyr destiny is predestent by their so called God
@AgentBurgers
Ай бұрын
Some claim that some are born gay but God calls us to be born again
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Hate of your brother for the way god made him is not living in the spirit. The fact that you are so obsessed with gays and sex proves the truth of you. (Matt 7 : 21-23) Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
So we can have sex now and we will be born straight later?
@AgentBurgers
Ай бұрын
Not in the way you think it is
@ivaldez5715
Ай бұрын
@ripsanskrit3609 I haven't masturbated since I decided to begin becoming Christian, or at least try my best in becoming Christian. I'm sure that if I was able to stop that, all these ignorant people can stop doing what they think they like. The devil will keep telling you it's okay but it's really not.
@whitneyhouston1122
Ай бұрын
I agree, and must I add God doesn't make anyone gay it's a choice and mostly it's because people don't know or have the guidance or understanding. And the people who are gay are mostly people who have fallen form grace and Satan has took them and made them of his image which is taking them as far as possible from God's image.
@mstanberry1
Ай бұрын
The argument is: was I created to be a liar, a thief, a cheater, because I was created that way? We are weak without God.
@cowlico
Ай бұрын
Amen
@jagr06
Ай бұрын
Answer is yes to all of those; we are born with abilities that makes those things possible or we are able to learn those things to do those things. Humanity is Gods Sin
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
no to lie and steal and cheat are a choice.....no one can chose their sexual orientation, try again
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
@@cowlico not amen
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
@@jagr06 but not our sexual orientation
@whiteobama3032
3 күн бұрын
Its not a sin to be attracted to same gender, its a sin to act upon it.
@Andrew-it7fb
2 күн бұрын
But why would a loving god create some people who are attracted to the same gender? That seems rather cruel. It also didn't make God's top ten list of naughty things.
@whiteobama3032
2 күн бұрын
@@Andrew-it7fb God creates life during conceptions, and then Satan comes and fucks up the fetus, makes it gay.
@whiteobama3032
2 күн бұрын
@Andrew-it7fb God doesn't create people that way. Sin doesn't come from God, it comes from Satan.
@Andrew-it7fb
2 күн бұрын
@@whiteobama3032 people don't choose who they're attracted to.
@tlothompson6935
Күн бұрын
@@Andrew-it7fb Your are acting as if being gay is at the very top and no one else struggles with sin. You don't think it's hard not to take revenge, hard not to cheat on your spouse, hard not to watch porn, or hard to wait for marriage, not to steal or lie, etc? Heterosexuals don't just walk around with an easy time of not committing sins either. That's delusional. Sex in general is for the purpose of procreation. Every sexual act outside of procreation is bad. Like other commenters have said, you're basically saying that because someone was born more violent, that they should just be allowed to act upon that violent nature because they were born that way. It's a silly argument.
@kaikehe5331
15 күн бұрын
The purpose of why we were created by God is to Glorify Him with a pure and God fearing heart.
@SaintNick94
4 күн бұрын
🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤✝️✝️✝️🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
@menace85
Ай бұрын
People are still forgetting the devil still exists.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
So God is less powerful?
@menace85
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609 God gives everyone free will to choose good or evil.
@Smartgenzkid
Ай бұрын
He's not real
@McShawtieDoggo
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609what? Just because the devil is real does not mean God is less powerful. He is all powerful.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
@@McShawtieDoggo he is all powerful but can stop the devil because he wanna see drama
@jessicalow509
Ай бұрын
God doesn't make people gay. The fallenness of this world does. God can not create sin.
@Selfcaregirlcare
Ай бұрын
I love that!
@lakeishadean4298
Ай бұрын
"exactly. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man" - James 1:13
@mikescollard6499
Ай бұрын
@Quint-ib4nfNo. Not really.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Isaiah 45 :7 disagrees with this statement. Preaching from a place of ignorance is not a good look, it makes Christians look pretty and desperate to scapegoat another group so you can feel superior to someone, "I might be a sinner but at least I am not one of THEM." Truely pathetic.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things". You have to learn the bible before you try and preach it at people.
@brandoncraft5847
Күн бұрын
You nailed it with kids are not sexual beings. 100% correct. The fall of man is why we have these desires as adults.
@Kcebab12345
8 күн бұрын
There is nothing “logical” about Logan’s thoughts
@briecruz7784
7 күн бұрын
He is being logical, you just don’t understand because you don’t want to.
@dallasreese8416
6 күн бұрын
@@briecruz7784no he’s being illogical because he is using the reasoning of secular humanism. The superstructure of his argument make look logical on the surface but it is rotten at the foundation because he’s ignoring the disturbing factor of sin which is in ALL of us.
@briecruz7784
6 күн бұрын
@@dallasreese8416 secular thinking is logical it comes with data, evidence and when proven wrong it’s discarded. I would argue that not thinking outside the box makes someone gullible to believing there is an actual moral code in the Bible. How can someone be born with sin? Aren’t we made (according to the Bible) by a “god” that made us perfect, so how can we be so wrong as humans to like the opposite sex if god made us that way? Evolution is more consistent on why humans act the way they do even showing other animal species behaving “gay” I am not trying to disrespect anyone, rather having a discussion about this video.
@vashlash6870
6 күн бұрын
@@briecruz7784h()mosexua1ity is the product of s3xual abuse. 15% is genetic according to the best research. Genes load the gun, and environment pulls the trigger. We need more research on the causes, but it is too taboo in America. Other countries like China have done a fair amount of research on this topic. They reproduce through abuse.
@vashlash6870
6 күн бұрын
@@briecruz7784gullible? Who is repeating state ideology they were raised to believe? There is nothing logical about the political philosophy of liberalism that which America runs on. How can we be a pluralistic society and democratic at the same time? How do we have an oligarchy, with free and fair elections? Why do you people need to so heavily censor academia? Queer Theory is not scientific at all. "I identify as an x" how do you test that? If gender is not biological than how do you quantify it? It is non material, yet it mascarades as science. How do you know if I am lying? You can't verify it through material means. That is not scientific. "The transgender industrial complex" by Scott Howard will turn your world upside down. The episode of Homosexuality on the podcast "The Darwin Digest" is a must listen. It is a scientific critique of the act.
@user-gm6kx2eq5k
20 күн бұрын
This man Cliffe is so blessed. He lived his life proclaiming God's word. I saw old clips where he would answer difficult questions in campuses and many times, i have been enlightened myself. May the good Lord bless you more. ❤
@777superlightwater
3 күн бұрын
Did he die?
@thatomasopha10
2 күн бұрын
@@777superlightwaterno
@user-gm6kx2eq5k
Күн бұрын
@@777superlightwater Haha! Okay, he lives his life proclaiming God's word. Not lived. 😆
@user-uo8kb5rv7n
Ай бұрын
The truth is that God created man to live in families, man, woman and children. This is the primary socializing agent that keeps human society from self-destructing. If you destroy that pattern, even if you're in love, even if it feels good, there is a price. Society will self-destruct if you depart from God's design.
@bjteacher3721
Ай бұрын
Amen, @user-uo8kb5rv7n
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Gays and Lesbians come from families and we grow up and make our own families just like straight people. It kinda sounds like we agree, a loving and committed couple, gay or straight, is what children need to grow up healthy and happy.
@Alexthomas-hd4xj
Ай бұрын
1. "prove that your God exists 2. then prove your religion is from a god 3. Is it wrong to celibate like Jesus or the pope"
@user-uo8kb5rv7n
Ай бұрын
@@Alexthomas-hd4xj Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection, all historically documented, both internally by the Scriptures and externally by extra-biblical sources. And by the way, you can know He exists personally, if you're willing to ask.
@user-uo8kb5rv7n
Ай бұрын
As to point 3, neither Jesus nor His disciples nor anything in the Scriptures instructed people to be celibate.
@bernie7384
14 күн бұрын
This is very good. 4 People just talking. No screaming and swearing or anything like that. People are just talking.
@brandoncraft5847
Күн бұрын
Just hearing Logan’s thought process is physically painful.
@bvicc20
Ай бұрын
"Burned in their lust, God turned them over to a reprobated mind."
@chrisclark7170
Ай бұрын
So you worship a vile and evil god that created people to torture. This alone proves your god is nothing more than a fairytale.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
Being gay is the least sinful thing
@xanjey17
Ай бұрын
There you go 🙏🏽
@menace4082
Ай бұрын
Romans 1:24, 26 & 28 is the definition of God's wrath. He gives them up to their own choices and they'll have to suffer the consequences of those choices. Their hearts are already hardened and God will not force anyone to love Him, Law of Liberty. We Reap what we sow.
@nathanaelito
Ай бұрын
Είναι σωστό Ήταν γραμμένο Γιατί στο τέλος δεν πειράζει Έρχεται με σύννεφα ⛅ και κάθε 👁μάτι 👁 θα τον δει 👀
@yaadiecurls2986
Ай бұрын
I wanna know who told everybody that God “made” people gay. Where they get that from?
@zroy9263
Ай бұрын
Woke culture and confusion are the result of this!
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
the bible and science
@chattybtv
Ай бұрын
@@ministermattocks7570where did you get that from in the Bible?
@doctorlucasp9113
Ай бұрын
@@ministermattocks7570care to elaborate?
@lashonnmurray2762
Ай бұрын
They trying to justify their actions.
@sirnicholibraden86
3 күн бұрын
Sexual Trauma leads you to all sexual sin.
@NataliaLomnicky
3 күн бұрын
Cliffe and his son did great! I’m so grateful for their love and knowledge of God and how they share God’s glory in truth! Oftentimes you need to remember that you cannot always debate nor try to have relatable conversations by simply always or only sharing Scripture (God’s Word) to nonbelievers/skeptics/scoffers because their ears are deaf and/or heart apostatical or lewd, so like Jesus, you share parables/analogies, especially honest, relatable experiences to try to help people where they are to hopefully be able to have an understanding of the magnificent righteousness of God and the sin nature of man. Once you can have those types of conversation, sometimes it may take one time or multiple times, then you can pierce or captivate their heart-mind with Scripture making room for planting the seeds of His Word (truth) and pray for them through the power of the Holy Spirit asking to continue to water them or stir up their heart-mind to bring them to the knowledge of Who God is and how deeply loved they are. 🙏🏼✝️💪🏼
@HarlinNeal
Ай бұрын
How I would respond? God didn't make people gay. Sin makes people gay...we all have a "sinful nature", according to the book of Romans, and it manifests itself in several ways...including sexual sins. God did not make us to have sexual relations with people of the same sex.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
Yes he does that's why all animals have homosexuality
@lamosaures
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609animals aren’t made in god’s image so this isn’t a good argument.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
@@lamosaures yes it is. Cause ur ignoring science over beliefs. If you think God only test his human rats why did all animals have some homosexuality percentage
@jcwashington1088
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609 Animals don’t have to follow rules, they’re just animals
@ChristisLord2023
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609all creation was affected by sin. Did you need scripture references for that?
@arzer114
Ай бұрын
My answer to someone says they’re born gay is this “we are all born in sin. Our sin and temptations are all different, but we all need to be redeemed even if ‘you are born gay’.”
@Alexthomas-hd4xj
Ай бұрын
That makes no sense why would anyone praise a god that has no morality for God so live sin he couldn't forgive Adam and eve that the entire world was born in to sin
@Mrs.CGraves
Ай бұрын
I understand you. Amen
@1592Whitecloud
Ай бұрын
Try rewording that, i might be able to help you understand.@@Alexthomas-hd4xj
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
That'd the stupidest thing to say . Comparing being born gay to be attracted to multiple women. Even gays are to be attracted to multiple boys but still when it comes to family it's always be 2 .
@1592Whitecloud
Ай бұрын
@ripsanskrit3609 okay, so the idea behind it is this. Through Jesus' teachings, both are wrong. All sin is equal. Its up to you to deny said sin and let the holy spirit help work on you. It doesn't matter if you're gay or not, what matters is denying what is written to be wrong.
@constructivecritique5191
9 күн бұрын
0:22 God created us male and female to marry and be fruitfull. God didn't create man without free will. He gave them free will with guidance.
@Mabeylater293
7 күн бұрын
Go cough up your birth control, and cancel your vasectomy then come talk to me about YOUR ‘god’.
@MintyFr618
Күн бұрын
I’ve always heard the phrase “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”.
@Jamescob100
Күн бұрын
Before Adam and eve there was Adam and Lilith, the mother of demons. Whoops, Thanks alot God. idiot.
@constructivecritique5191
Күн бұрын
@@MintyFr618 that's right!
@thecalikitchen5970
2 күн бұрын
God didnt make people gay. the enemy put a spirit in them. "Gay" people can be restored
@Mrricko.
2 күн бұрын
People are not created homosexual. Homosexuality at its root is a spiritual issue and we live in a fallen and spiritually corrupt world and people are influenced even from the womb. Good news is we can be born again and delivered from any spiritual issues.
@neilwinslow8374
Ай бұрын
God does not create people to be gay. Either trauma, or giving into sin, are the biggest factors.
@KingJ_EL_Sali
Ай бұрын
Say this again on repeat!
@nobody42071
Ай бұрын
It's neither of those. There's actually a demonic spirit behind that. You can willingly have sex with a person from the same gender for many reasons but when you start feeling attraction, it's not natural anymore. God created men and women to be attracted to each other. Anything that goes against that is the work of a devil
@lucacordani2810
Ай бұрын
Well, gay people exist, God doesn’t 👋
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
That is an amazing insight so clear cut and concise, to bad it flies in the face of academics, scientists, and human behavioural and brain experts. For the love of the god you claim to believe in, look at the facts BEFORE condemning a whole group of people. Honestly, some bronze age middle-eastern tells you he is fine with slavery (Exo 21 : 20-21), pedophilia ( Number 31 : 1-18) spousal abuse( 1 Cor 7:4) , R-wording girls (Deut 22: 28-29) and for some reason his anti-gay stance is the one you focus on, why? You wouldn't go along with this behavior if a modern middle-eastern said it, would you? So why go along with it here? Is it because it reinforces your already preconceived bigotry and gives you a group to "other" and feel superior to? No, of course not, that would be hypocritical and selfish, right? Why do you only preach the parts you like in the bible and not the truth? Why doesn't the pastor preach against divorce and remarriage in the church, because half the church would be guilty, or scream down at the children about the evils of premarital sex, and before you know it there is no one left to preach to. It is easier just not to see the corruption in your midst, the sickness in the flock, it is easier to point at another and say "HIM not me".
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Where did you get this information, was there a study I was not aware of, or did you just make this up and hope no one calls it out? Because there has NEVER been a scientific or psychological study that ever said this. You are a liar and god hates it when people use him to justify their own person hate of people. Psychologists will however tell you that suppressing your natural sexuality is extremely damaging to an person's mental health. Why do straight people never ask themselves "How would I feel if everyone told me I was wrong to like the opposite sex and tried to force me to live my life as a gay person?" Why do you never ask yourselves if YOU could dismiss your sexual urges to be with the opposite sex, or to be celibate? If you ever did you might just have a realization.
@mickinetsystems
Ай бұрын
God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
Groan...that is so old and dumb. What are you, a kindergartner?
@RobertBowman-zq3xq
24 күн бұрын
But Adam wanted Steve
@PaladinThizz
18 күн бұрын
@@RobertBowman-zq3xq Well according to statistics only 5 out of 100 Adams want Steve
@DavidBryner-z9u
15 күн бұрын
@@mickinetsystems I find it interesting that your bigotry toward gays does not seem to include Lesbians. I wonder why? Maybe it has more to do with your personal sexual proclivities then it has to your religion. Maybe it just feels good to condemn others, as long as you don't want to have sex with them.
@WISHBONEL7
11 күн бұрын
@@RobertBowman-zq3xq Notice what *ALMIGHTY GOD* did to the perverts in Genesis chapter 19 .
@AveryCarr-h3z
19 күн бұрын
I really appreciate your input at the end. I’ve seen a lot of Christian channels share a clip and then just give the most basic input/advice, not really adding any additional value to the context. This actually helped and gave useful words and arguments. Thank you
@cnweke42
3 күн бұрын
I agree with you 100% people try to be politically correct and end up not saying things the way they are.
@user-hj6jv9od7r
Ай бұрын
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist
@user-he2qj3go2o
Ай бұрын
Exactly
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
Then why did your evil god make the Devil? Why did your god supply the Devil with supernatural power? Why does your horrible god says the Devil will win in the end? It's either a very evil god, or the whole thing is clearly made up. I'd say, it's clearly all made up.
@user-gx2wi6mj9k
28 күн бұрын
Wrong. The greatest trick is him deceiving people to think God doesn't exist. Why do you think people go around saying that hell won't be that bad or all of us sinners will be partying
27 күн бұрын
@@user-gx2wi6mj9k _Then why did your evil god make the Devil?_ That's not the question. There are actually two more pressing questions. One question is why do you think, with your being evil, you are qualified to say God is evil? And based on what are you saying something is evil in the first place?
@user-gx2wi6mj9k
27 күн бұрын
The same exact reason why he made us. Love and because of love God doesn't destroy what he creates. the devil and he's demons will burn in the lake of fire and all the believers will live in forever love and freedom from all evil on judgement day. It's as simple as that.
@manurooney007
Ай бұрын
It's embarrassing when Christians don't say homosexual is against the will of God it's clearly written in the bible . They are trying not to offend. This is our PC CULTURE today.
@jagr06
Ай бұрын
The bible is fake, come on.
@CamCos
Ай бұрын
Do you know it's clearly written that the sabath was Saturday, but the whole Catholic church sinned and changed it to Sunday? Assuming it's against the 10 commandments, that has got to be a sin, right?
@jagr06
Ай бұрын
@@CamCos Sounds like nonsense but can't say i'm surprised since it's religion.
@hyperteleXii
Ай бұрын
True. The name for Wednesday in many languages across the globe is literally "middle of the week day". But if you look at a modern calendar, Wednesday isn't middle of the week anymore. Because the Catholic church started improvizing against scripture.@@CamCos
@Skiipper1
Ай бұрын
@@jagr06so what your logic is???? Nothing created everything? Lmfao hush
@Outdoorswithabby
4 күн бұрын
This is so good! I love your commentary the most…it’s exactly what needed to be said! Keep on!
@gabrielsosa5644
2 күн бұрын
Really liked your take at the end and I think that should’ve been mentioned in the interview. Great point! God bless brother!
@kendrataylor9867
Ай бұрын
They should’ve had this conversation with Voddie Baucham. People underestimate the sinful nature we’re born with. It actually takes discipline to deny our nature
@shydalelewis3966
Ай бұрын
I come in love but I still havnt seen any scripture that supports original sin. God has shown me he didn't create us with it. We are born innocent and take upon ourselves to sin. Sin is a choice not a thing we can't handle.
@daekwonrose3160
Ай бұрын
@@shydalelewis3966That’s means you haven’t read & studied scripture. It clearly says we all fell in Adam, we all died in Adam, we inherited his sin nature. Do you need a verse?
@daekwonrose3160
Ай бұрын
@@shydalelewis39661 Corinthians 15
@daekwonrose3160
Ай бұрын
@@shydalelewis3966Romans 5:12-21 ESV You should read it.
@daekwonrose3160
Ай бұрын
@@shydalelewis3966We are not born innocent. If so, that would mean there’s people that would choose not to sin & wouldn’t need Christ. Your thinking is very flawed & not aligned with scripture, no is righteous as scripture says not even one.
@chisomokonkwo4361
Ай бұрын
Not all desires are good. Many people who strive to follow God pray to have their same-sex attractions taken away. However, the Bible teaches that when you experience these desires, you should direct your focus on God. It acknowledges that it won't be easy, but assures that God will provide support during difficult times. Instead of asking God to remove same-sex attractions or any other similar feelings, ask for the strength to resist such temptations. Temptation will always be present, but so will God. Therefore, rather than succumbing to temptation, turn to God for strength and support.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
LOL you know divorce, remarriage, and premarital sex are all sinful acts, right? How many divorced do you go to church with? How many teens couples go to your church that you you all can tell are having sex? Come on, be honest with yourself? Any youth pastors at your church taking advantage of underage persons in your church or was it covered up quietly? And don't get me started on the people watching porn and abusing substances. Christians have their own issues, why single out gays and lesbians? Unless it is so you can feel better about yourself by looking down on someone else. You should grow a heart and stop faking your compassion.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
😪
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
true as the homophobic desire is not good
@chisomokonkwo4361
Ай бұрын
@@ministermattocks7570 No sinful desire is good.
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
@@chisomokonkwo4361 like the homophobic lifestyle then
@walterlebzax9585
Күн бұрын
Similar to how God never made anyone a liar or a thief, He also never made anyone gay or lesbian. God never created Lucifer and his goons in heaven to be evil; rather, they "left their original estate," choosing to rebel against God instead of remaining in the place where God had planned for them to be. It's the case with gays and lesbians, they're straying from the original estate that God placed them. "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Jude 1:6. "For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." Romans 1:26-27
@jonathanraven5939
2 күн бұрын
God made no one homosexual. Homosexuality is a conscious decision to rebel against God’s plan for mankind.
@Andrew-it7fb
2 күн бұрын
That is false. Being gay is based on who you're attracted to. It is not an action. If you're a man attracted to men but don't act on it, you're still gay.
@J040PL7
Күн бұрын
@@Andrew-it7fbto back up your point you need to show a "gay gene" or a biological change that goes in line with what you're saying, and till now, we have found nothing. We can point out biological differences between male and female but not heterosexual and homosexual.
@undergroundchristiancenter2842
Ай бұрын
These questions don’t make sense. Logan and crew isn’t trying to get an understanding they’re focused on finding excuses to justify the ungodly behavior. Logan, their god is different then The God 😉
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
Ungodly behavior? Excuse me. Are lions sinners?
@whitneyhouston1122
Ай бұрын
Actually animals will be judged and put in a room somewhere else until Jesus return so we can all be together. Also, Jesus was the Lamb.
@falshion1837
4 күн бұрын
These are GOOD questions. Logan may be trying to find holes in Christianity to make himself feel better, but these are questions I've asked as a Christian and there is no shame in fully understanding what the bible says. Cliff answers questions from non believers and people of different faiths all the time. I think the question of "why has God made people wired in a way that makes them more inclined to sin than others" is a very natural curiosity to have. I've struggled with narcissists in my life and I've wondered how is it fair they are wired to be more selfish than the average person (I am not saying they aren't accountable for their actions because they indeed still have free will). Similarly, Cliff's response to questions like why God created evil is "I don't know". I think it takes humility to accept that we can't fully understand the way God has made things.
@Andrew-it7fb
2 күн бұрын
This isn't about behavior. Your comment doesn't make sense.
@raass233
Ай бұрын
It seems the part where God gave Man free will is missing from the arguments "Why did God make them this way?". God did not choose to make robots.
@stephanyortiz6001
Ай бұрын
Just because God made you with a flaw does not excuse your choices. In the same way, God made a perfect being in a perfect environment, and that is how Satan was born. God created choice, and choice is good and perfect. However, His creations can choose, and part of that choice is to walk away from God. As you put it, God didn't make robots. :)
@Palestinian_holocaust
Ай бұрын
Free will equals making chocie. Therefore, u choice to be homosexual and act upon with finding an alternate route to cleanse yourself of sin u were commuting Q
@Sandraw47
Ай бұрын
@@stephanyortiz6001. exactly right!
@Eternalsfan
28 күн бұрын
@@stephanyortiz6001🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
Ironically, when you become a Christian, you become a robot.
@elgriego331
2 күн бұрын
That’s why we must be “Born Again”. John 3:16
@ijayski
6 күн бұрын
When he said he was HARD WIRED, he blew it. Being gay is a choice period
@Appalachianasshole41
5 күн бұрын
Not really. It's 100 percent from birth for some people and a choice for others. For those born that way it's by design. It's to remove unwanted genes from the gene pool. Religion aside the primary directive of all life is to reproduce. All instincts are designed to ensure survival until able to reproduce. So obviously god/evolution is trying to weed out bad genes. Nothing in the Bible refutes this either.
@porkncheese1789
5 күн бұрын
Lol being gay is a not a choice. I grew up in a super catholic family. No gay friends. Always told I should be with a woman. Nothing in that environment could push me in the other direction. Yet I'm still gay. Knew I was attracted to men when I was like 11 or 12. I didn't choose to be this way. You think all of us woke up one day and said " yeah I think I'd like to be gay and go through a hard life of shame and scorn from the rest of the world". I think if it was a choice, most of us would choose to be straight
@TheJoestier
4 күн бұрын
@@porkncheese1789 yeah, I am straight but I can see how being gay isn't a choice. Who would choose to be gay and why. Coming out is a choice. But choosing to be gay? Nah. No way any would would want to make that choice and be ridiculed to the point of suicide.
@porkncheese1789
4 күн бұрын
@TheJoestier exactly. Thank you for understanding. Some people are delusional
@advancedtacticsexpresswork1693
4 күн бұрын
That's right 💯
@BeNice524
21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video and thank you for not interrupting 💯
@krystlecooke2390
Ай бұрын
A very high majority of gay ppl are that way because of abuse as a child. So because of those experiences and those feelings at such a young age they believe they were born that way. It’s very sad. I don’t know if statistics have changed since I was in college and learned about this and it very well could be different now that being gay has been so normalized. But working in the mental health field, I learned about it in school and a lot of the children abused either felt pleasure from it they couldn’t explain that later became something they couldn’t achieve through “natural heterosexual” experiences so became gay, or the opposite, someone of the opposite sex hurt them so they stay away from them due to pain and become gay. If we offered more spiritual help and counseling and recognized it for what it is I think a lot more could be done. I dunno others may disagree with me and I’m sure many do.. but I see the sadness and pain there and it breaks my heart. I pray for all of those living a homosexual lifestyle find Jesus and healing and deliverance. I also pray for all the children out there suffering horrific abuse to be set free and get help!! I dunno what else to say😢
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
Very base majority of Gay are just born
@tinahochstetler2189
Ай бұрын
@krystlecooke2390 Amen. We need to pray for them every day. ❤
@DanSmith01ave
Ай бұрын
Is there any credible statistical evidence for this? Plenty of people who experienced childhood trauma grow up to be heterosexual, and there are plenty of homosexuals who were raised in loving, supportive, stable families. I don't discredit what you've seen working in the mental health field of course, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say a high majority of all gay people experienced this growing up.
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
also a high majority of heterosexual people are that way because of abuse as a child. So is heterosexuality a sin now?
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609 true
@Assassino27
2 күн бұрын
Cliff reaaaaally dropped the ball here. He tries so hard to be intellectually neutral that he compromises on his theology.
@Messenger8...179
3 күн бұрын
Folks do not be fooled by the doctrines!!!!!!! The Holy Spirit is a gift from God to be our comforter until the return of Christ/Messiah/Micheal......the Godhead Trinity is a doctrine people wake up please!!!!!!!
@mrs.c.2408
Ай бұрын
Logan Paul never once said the word “sin”. Very odd.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
Cause it's natural. Even lying is sin but it's still natural
@lamosaures
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609so is murder again not a good argument. So is slavery, incest, etc.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
@@lamosaures those can be controlled. But being born gay and excepting to live a life of blindness with exception is inhumane and ungodly
@mrs.c.2408
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609 No one is any more “born” gay than one is “born” a thief or a liar. We are all “born” sinners. With a “natural” inclination to sin, and early proclivities toward particular sins. Each of us has a sin “which easily besets us”. You may not struggle with lying, or stealing, but do struggle with sexual sin. That’s why we must be “born again”. Born with a new nature, and the help of the Holy Spirit to “control” or die to the old nature and withstand sin. Because what is truly “inhumane and ungodly” is lying to others, stealing from them, or sexually defiling them. We must love God and each other enough not to sin against them or seduce them to sin.
@redbuck6058
Ай бұрын
@@mrs.c.2408he is obviously not a Christian
@spiritman-em4qr
Ай бұрын
Not acting on wicked desires (same sex attraction) is still a sin. The Bible says that wicked desire, even unfulfilled ones, are sinful.
@robinjameson4261
Ай бұрын
If not, acting on a wicked desire is sin. then all the devil would have to do to make all of us. infinitely sinful is just have his demons talk to us all day about things that are sinful desires. as long as you reject this sinful desire, you are not doing sin.
@chuey2846
Ай бұрын
Yep, that's why christ was sent
@arzer114
Ай бұрын
I suppose that depends on what you mean by desires. If you mean “I want this, and I will think about it and hold onto it” then you’re correct. If you mean “the temptation to do/think/say etc” then I would argue you are incorrect. The Bible says Jesus was tempted in every way we are yet was without sin. I would argue that we can be tempted and take the escape provided by the Holy Spirit and not be in sin. If however, we contemplate on it, fantasize etc etc then YES the stewing and contemplation is a sin even if we didn’t take any action on it.
@spiritman-em4qr
Ай бұрын
@@arzer114 Exactly 💯
@stephanielane1821
Ай бұрын
The devil can and does tempt people in many ways, alcohol, gambling, homosexuality and many other temptations, we can reject the attacks of the evil one and choose by our free will not to act on the temptation, so you do not sin. The temptation and intrusive thought's are not sin in themselves, as they can be planted in our minds by the devil, it only becomes sin if we choose to dwell on that sin and that may lead you to act upon that sin. Then the devil has won and the temptation was acted upon. Yet if an intrusive thought enters a person's mind and it is not what that person want's and they reject the thought there is no sin. If we are tempted as we all are in life we have the Lord to turn to in prayer and ask him to take the temptation away, he said to give him our burdens, because his yoke is light and his burdens are easy. Diabolic obsession is real it is sometimes inflicted by the devil, and can cause great suffering in people's lives.The thought is not a sin it's what you do with it that count's, we are blessed we have the Lord to turn to in our difficulties.The three ways sin enters into a person's life, is the world, the flesh and the devil. We are in a battle, put on the armour, for the evil one will often tempt people more if they are trying to lead Godly lives, he wishes to discourage us and for us to become dispondant, resist him. God is loving and merciful and he knows our struggle, as he also was tempted by the devil, when he came out from the desert after the forty day's of fasting, he is with us to help us in every temptation. if we fall, we repent and are truly sorry, we are forgiven, draw close to Jesus.
@terrymoody4819
2 күн бұрын
Beautifully explained brother, you are 100 percent right... wisdom is with you. Love you brother in Christ!
@jesuscross9
4 күн бұрын
I've studied this issue for a very long time. Prior to it really blowing up and SS marriage becoming legal in this country, most of the scientists and psychologists were saying it is definitely a learned behavior that can be unlearned. There has never been a single scientific study that shows any sexuality is "hardwired" from birth. It has more to do with early experiences and circumstances surrounding our first organisms. In 2024, they'll stone you for saying such blasphemy, so most professionals in the field won't take a stand about it anymore. The inference of anything that goes against the statisquo will be certain occupational suicide. The bottom line is there is no science that supports the claims that SSA is hardwired from birth. None.
@jackiebrown8793
Ай бұрын
God does not create us to sin, but sin came into the world and every imagination of man was evil. God sent his son to correct the sin nature that Adam and Eve allowed to come into the world. We all have a choice and sin is sin no matter who does it or what they are doing. They did not explain it and say absolute that because of the fall sin entered into the world. God could have left us in that condition but he sent his son to die for our sins we can become the righteousness of God. Amen, Amen and Amen.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Ole Amen is dead, even Egypt stopped praying to him a long time ago.
@jackiebrown8793
Ай бұрын
@@DavidBryner-z9u It means truth and you probably don't know what that is. It's very relevant even today! Amen
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
so why do homophobics chose to sin?
@jackiebrown8793
Ай бұрын
@ministermattocks7570 The same reason any one choose, it's nature. That's why we need God's nature. We all must be born again, I don't fear gay people, I don't want anyone to be lost for an eternity, I'm more concerned with your eternal life and not your temporary life on this earth. They are no different than any other sin. We all need a redeemer, and Jesus has done that. It's up to us to receive him and choose righteousness and not our own understanding, but according to the Word of God. No one gets a pass. God's son's death will not be in vein.
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
@@jackiebrown8793 so why did u chose the homophobic lifestyle choice? See this is why we need God's nature. We all must be born again, more so the homophobic community who are following satan, I don't fear you homophobic people, I don't want anyone to be lost for an eternity, I'm more concerned with your eternal life and not your temporary life on this earth. Homophobia is no different than any other sin. We all need a redeemer, and Jesus has done that. It's up to us to receive him and choose righteousness and not our own understanding or our own bigotry, but according to the Word of God. No one gets a pass. God's son's death will not be in vein. I will pray for you, BLESSINGS
@ellisperry6802
Ай бұрын
Oh, he makes the comment then say whoa that's above my pay grade. God did not create people gay, like God did not create people who steal, like God did not create people who murder, God did not create people straight either. We are who we are based on our experiences, based on what we liked or disliked from those experiences for whatever reason. We have the right to accept what the Bilbe states or not. We so easily apply for a job and accept the rules of that job, we so easily go to school and accept what's in those books or what's taught. But when it comes to the Bible, if we don't like a verse, we say say oh the Bible was written by men, or the Bible is wrong. If not wanting to follow the Bible, then don't. If believing only parts of the Bible, then can't believe none of the Bible. Because whose to say the parts believed are true. If God is that bad, then why even debate using the Bible, or why even accept God? Can't have it both was. The Bible was written by men, God led, inspired men. Like it or not, the Bible states what it states. Doing contrary doesn't change the Bible. So live life and accept the outcome.
@adove2a
Ай бұрын
God did make people straight. He created a penis for the vagina and the vagina for the penis. So everyone is literally CREATED to be sexually intimate with the opposite sex. That's why its abominable to go outside of that. You're not just going against God's will but outside of his purpose and design when you indulge in same-sex affection. No one is "Gay" naturally.
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
U can only be born gay
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
we know God makes LGBT people
@RobertBowman-zq3xq
24 күн бұрын
God didn't make people straight either
@abenezertena6441
23 күн бұрын
@@ministermattocks7570 God makes a normal people, not LGPT its your choice to choose that and finally face the outcome, For example is your mother a male I dont think so but you are here because you are born from male and female but you are straight denying yourself. There is only one Bible and God the father , people make their own god which that accepts their interest and claim that the real God says that. It is not about debate its about finding truth and fact seek the truth through the Bible not your feelings or personal views.
@jerrybarker1961
6 күн бұрын
How would God make people gamble , acohaics drug addicts ,rapist ,murderers . Sounds like we just don't take responsibility for our own sins or actions .
@schadwick3
Күн бұрын
You guys are not wrong, As a pastor, I do not want people to be like me I want them to be like Christ.
@berniefynn6623
Ай бұрын
God does not make anyone anything, YOU CHOOSE, we have the choice, GOD or satan. Adam and EVE, male female.
@Dawn0616
Ай бұрын
Did cliffe have the choice to smash the toy over the other child's head? No. He said it was out of instinct and he compared that to homosexuality as the same level of sin but it's not a choice, it's instinct. It seems like he's mixing those two up and contradicted himself in the process. Do you agree or disagree and if you disagree then why?
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
You chose to be straight? For real? You chose to make your hypothalamus pump arousal hormones in to your body when you see an attractive woman? If you can control that you would be the first person and scientists everywhere would want to test you, but I am guessing you didn't choose it is just the way your body reacts.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Did you choose to be straight?
@ripsanskrit3609
Ай бұрын
I didn't gay lions didn't have choice
@Y0utub3r526
Ай бұрын
@@ripsanskrit3609omgoodness 😂 love this comment. Just comes to show that being gay is natural.
@onyekaigweze8067
2 күн бұрын
Cliffe’s example of if we were born to forgive was a great example. Our natural human instincts are far from God but in Christ , we are led and guided by His Spirit that is beautiful, holy, pure, loving and the rest of the fruits of the spirit. In Him and only in Him are we transformed to be and act like Him. But that does not mean that we don’t fall short of His standards. We do, but the blood of Jesus and the abundant grace, love and mercy of God covers us.
@messiahcarter8961
16 күн бұрын
So my question is, as a Christian, should someone who is gay marry a woman who is straight in hopes of him feeling sexually attracted to her? As a straight man I can’t imagine being forced to marry a man, so I’d imagine it’s alot like that for them Edit: and for everyone saying “gayness is a choice” it’s a choice to ACT upon it being gay isn’t an action it’s an attraction, choosing to be celibate doesn’t undo the gayness. Also saying “avoid temptation is like saying to a straight man, don’t look at breasts”
@Fx_Explains
4 күн бұрын
I mean straight men do, avoid looking at breasts, unless of course you have no self control or not even trying to have self control. I know some people who were attracted to same same and got help and now they are doing well, married with kids and couldn't believe they used to be attracted to men.
@falshion1837
4 күн бұрын
Exactly! People are wired in certain ways. A gay person that's celibate will struggle with temptation, just like a psychopath or narcissist will struggle not acting on their selfishness more so than most people. Some people have life on "hard mode" and I can admit this is unfair, but I'm not going to presume God did this to be cruel, or have a laugh, at the same time I have to accept that I don't know why God has made things this way. Why did He make evil? As Cliff has said "I don't know".
@jondelong8860
2 күн бұрын
So you expect a gay person to chose a life of celibacy and no family? While you get all the benefits.
@michaelzentichko8790
Ай бұрын
You correctly give the answer needed.
@sandyroberts9564
Ай бұрын
Gayness starts from early childhood and inappropriate sexual experiences exposed to the child. This is blasphemy to God, which is a unforgivable sin look it up in the Bible.
@araenasanchez
Ай бұрын
The Bible says all sins are forgivable except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Everyone can be saved no matter what they’ve done. We are saved by grace. It’s a free gift. You must repent, accept Jesus, and pick up your cross.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Or maybe your heart is just full of hate and you need someone to condemn so you feel better about yourself. You seem to be more concerned with the flesh then the spirit, and your hate proves it.
@NovusIgnis
Ай бұрын
@@DavidBryner-z9uThe only one I've seen spewing hate here is you. You came to this video to spread it.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
@@NovusIgnis ok let's talk about love then ❤ what's the big deal if two people fall in love, want to marry, build a life together, grow old together. Don't you want these things for yourself and the ones you love? Doesn't everyone deserve a shot at love? If you truely do love your neighbor as yourself you should than be overjoyed to see people in love? The world is a very hard cruel place for us all, why remove more love from it, and create hostility and suffering in its place and only to this one group. I really truely believe we as a people can overcome this irrational and harmful need to "other"groups of people but we all have to do our part and love when it is hard and not easy. If you made it this far thank you, it feels good to say this to someone on the other end. I really do believe gays and lesbians are special to god, but we are not the only ones 😊 Some day I hope god blesses you with a beautiful and sweet and loving gay or lesbian child in your life. One that you can tell real early, a boy that's a little swishy or a girl that's a bit butch. It will change your heart, and you will be closer to god. You would be proud of that child and be grateful to god they came into your life. Hateful would be trying to force that child to be something they are not or rejecting them completely. Thank you for listening. D
@NovusIgnis
Ай бұрын
@@DavidBryner-z9u Because not all love is good love. Some adults love children in ways that are not appropriate. Are you going to defend their love too? Some people love hurting or humiliating others. Is their love valid? What about people who love abusing drugs until they die, tearing their families apart in the process? These are all different loves, and yet not a single one of them is good. And the same goes for the romantic love that one man has for another man, or that one woman has for another woman. Love does not abide in sin, and God has defined sin for us both in our hearts as well as in His Word. Any sexual activity outside of a marriage between one man and one woman under God is sexual immorality and sinful, and again: love does not abide in sin. Any argument that you want to use to support homosexuality applies to pedophilia, bestiality, and necrophilia as well, which goes to show that they're *ALL* sexual immorality. The only way you can avoid supporting the things you don't like is to simply say "Oh well we cna make exceptions for granting rights to those perverts", in which case we can make the same argument to not allow homosexuality too. It's *ALL* sexual immorality, and it *will* lead to evil because it *is* evil.
@orbitalpl1
2 күн бұрын
The guy gives ridiculous comparisons. Being homosexual is not a choice. It’s the biochemistry they have.
@zeel4840
2 күн бұрын
he didnt say kids are sexual beings. he was born with it. not as kids.
@kaylaledouxgary2200
Ай бұрын
We're all born with a sinful nature....we all have weaknesses. If your weakness is homosexuality, it doesn't mean you're free to act on it. If that's the case, then if you're born with a desire to steal, does that mean you can shoplift? If you're born with a desire to kill, does that give you the right to murder? We can't act on our desires, which is why it's important to stay in prayer and in His word. If you ask the Lord to remove sinful desires, He will. But you have to want to obey rather than act on desires.
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
We're all born with a sinful nature....we all have weaknesses. If your weakness is homophobia, it doesn't mean you're free to act on it.
@hyperteleXii
Ай бұрын
Those afraid of God (and by extension, scripture which clearly says homosexuality is wrong) will be saved, those unafraid will be annihilated. I can quote scripture on all accounts. You've yet to quote anything but your own "homophobia is sin" tagline.@@ministermattocks7570
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
@@ministermattocks7570 LOL, great one!
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
@kaylaledouxgary, It's rude and wrong to compare gay people to stealing and murdering. This is why many people are leaving Christianity, they can no longer stomach the hate, hypocrisy, and fakeness. And stupidity.
@ministermattocks7570
26 күн бұрын
@@KingofPepsi POOR homophobics. They need help.
@elvenafrett2781
Ай бұрын
We're living in a post modern culture where we hear with our eyes, are convinced by our feelings (not facts), and find no reason to share the Gospel for fear of offending society. That being said, TRUE Believers will manifest from the heart the EVIDENCE of TRUE transformation - they will love AND seek to honor the Father. We MUST NEVER elevate our desires or value them ABOVE the Creator's (God's) design - every dimension of life becomes corrupted outside of God's Will. This corruption manifests in everyone in different ways which we don't get to choose. (Romans 1:18-32) When our desires overshadow clear Biblical teaching AND if we continuously and willfully choose to submit to our own impulsive inclinations, we WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God ‼️😢 Yes, we are FREE TO CHOOSE, yet, we are NOT FREE FROM the consequences of our choice. 😔🙏🏽
@SixxQueen91
Ай бұрын
The Bible is not facts.
@abenezertena6441
23 күн бұрын
Well said.
@onyekaigweze8067
2 күн бұрын
Cliffe was hitting the nail on the head for each question. Everything he said was the absolute truth and you can you see and tell the Holy Spirit was speaking through him. His son somewhat wanted to ‘please the masses’ when he was talking about the gay issue but I’m happy Cliffe was able to give very good examples to make them understand it from a clearer lens.
@Cruzship72
Күн бұрын
Crumbled up $20 bill has the same worth crisp $20 bill. Let that sink.
@auroremalvezin5883
Ай бұрын
God does not create people gay because He not only tell us not to sin but He also asks us not to make others to sin. The question is biased. He would not do something against his own Law. Nonsense!
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
And yet gays exist. How is that possible? Cliffe even said he was "hardwired" to love attractive women and could not just make himself be gay. If he did not have a choice what makes you think gays do?
@Alexthomas-hd4xj
Ай бұрын
How do you know your religion is from a god 🤔
@auroremalvezin5883
Ай бұрын
@@Alexthomas-hd4xj The same way I know a painting was made by a painter.
@CharlesNewton-pj1gq
Ай бұрын
You're right but, we have to be born again before we realize that. It's lije anyone can say that they were born pedophile. And, the only way that this is true is if they aren't born again. But, once a person is born again. Their heart is changed, their thinking is changed. And, they shouldn't have the same desires that they once had. They should desire things of the spirit and not of the flesh. But, before that time, they are under the influence of satan. They don't know that what they are doing is a sin because it's a desire from Satan. I mean, some Christians still given in to the fleshly desires. That's called carnality.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
People can not control their hypothalamus and make it stop and start pumping arousal hormones. It is impossible to dictate sexual attraction, ask any neuroscientist. Gay men's brains are also similar to straight women's brains with them both being asymmetric, while lesbians brain and symmetrical which is more similar to straight men. Explain how that is possible. Do gays and lesbians some how choose the shape of there brains, did you choose yours? In the face of so much evidence to the contrary you would rather hate your fellow man and wallow in your own self-righteous ignorance then to learn a little empathy and a better connection with god through fellowship with your gay brother. Slam the door to heaven in our faces, to be sure in the end it is Yeshua will be slamming the door in YOUR face in the end.
@KingYeshuatheMashiach
27 күн бұрын
Your right brother, he didn’t not make it clear. No matter how we are ‘wired’ God doesn’t encourage us into any sin or any sinfulness, it’s unfortunately our genetic inheritance through Adam & Eve. God never made anyone to be gay!
@jondelong8860
2 күн бұрын
We didn’t make that choice with Adam and Eve either. Why do gay people have to pay for what people did thousands of years ago. You think it’s just to ask people who didn’t choose their attraction to just not have any companionship or intimacy in their life because of sin. But not their sin a sin that was brought in thousands of years ago that caused them to have attraction to the same sex. Do you hear how crazy that is?
@IAmMitchBates
Күн бұрын
God didn't put us here on earth to stay the way we are. He put us here to learn and BECOME like Him. We don't start out like Him, we try our best to BECOME. Amen to the truth baby!
@aliveoutreach7331
Күн бұрын
Great commentary and verses! I do a jail ministry and that was very helpful explaining the verses you gave.
@420Yako
Ай бұрын
I would tell them He said to "be born again". -KJV
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
me too but homophobics don't wish to be born again
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
@420, That will not fix the issue. If a gay person is depressed and crying because religion and society rejects them, you think telling them, "Become a Christian", is going to make them feel better? Uh...no. Because then you are going to say a second stupid thing, "You can be gay, just don't act on it." Back to square one.
@ministermattocks7570
26 күн бұрын
@@KingofPepsi These people are not even christians. You can not be both homophobic and christian, they are religious people.....using religion to hurt people with.
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
@@KingofPepsi Bruh, we need so many people like you in this world, FR. As an atheist, I am astonished with the lack of accountability from the religious people who spout hateful, anti-semetic drivel like this. All because of a stupid fucking book that was so clearly written by men, who likely had one too many disturbing fantasies of doing horrid things to their fellow man. "But God said to do it, so it *must* be okay!" Something I've seen and heard so much from apologists, or rather, excusagists. It is so unbelievably vile.
@fxee.
Ай бұрын
2:36 Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
Yet...you skip Leviticus 20:10.
@fxee.
28 күн бұрын
@@KingofPepsi What do you mean skip I've read the entire book of Leviticus Logan was asking for the verse about gays sleeping with one another not about cheating the verse must not of come to cliffe mind at the time which is why he didn't say it exactly
@KingofPepsi
27 күн бұрын
@@fxee. Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1 is always used against the LGBT, yet, Leviticus 20:10 is a more common occurrence that gets swept under the rug. That's why the religious can not be taken seriously.
@zombies4evadude24
16 күн бұрын
@@fxee. Adultery is just as much of a sin and just as deserving of death as homosexuality. So when people use those verses to justify hate-crime-ing LGBT people but say nothing against Donald Trump who cheated on his 3 wives and porked a pornstar, it's very hypocritical and blatant cherry- picking. Not specifically you but many people of faith in general.
@Andrew-it7fb
2 күн бұрын
And leviticus 19:19 forbids wearing clothes with two kinds of fabric. I don't see anyone going on about that.
@Loganedward29
Күн бұрын
The respect these guys gave each other is wonderful. We can disagree and be friends.
@Eric-ve9pc
Күн бұрын
As Christian’s we are to communicate the gospel as it was communicated to us ( from the word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit )not make Gods words more “ palpable “ or make excuses for God’s words.
@juanespinoza4077
Ай бұрын
Satan makes them gay, not god. Everyone is tempted by sin but you have to reject it.
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
Gay people were around way before the Satan character was made up. Just like how the Bible writers skipped the dinosaurs in Genesis. That was a big OOPS!
@liannemarie2504
Ай бұрын
We all have crosses to bear. Some people have physical disabilities they are born with and have to overcome and some have mental ones. We're all different but we still have things we have to overcome.
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
You think homosexuality is a "mental disability"? Can you be more offensive?
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
Mental disabilities cannot be "overcome". They stick around throughout all of life. They can only be worked around/managed. I was diagnosed with Asperger's and ADHD at a very young age, and it is quite frankly apalling that people like you don't get that.
@liannemarie2504
23 күн бұрын
@@switchie1987 what are you even talking about? That has nothing to do with anything that I'm talking about. I didn't say that you'll get over them. And people like me? I have chronic health and mental health disorders. Maybe take it down a notch before you go around assuming you understand what somebody is saying when you don't.
@Andrew-it7fb
2 күн бұрын
And homosexuality isn't a mental disability, so I'm not sure how this is relevant.
@tumbleweeb9079
5 күн бұрын
I've always seen the spectrum of gay and lesbian as giving into lust, not being born that way.
@johnnysantiago396
Күн бұрын
No one is born gay or queer we all have free will
@robinjameson4261
Ай бұрын
Cliff made some very good points. this guy seemed to want to have specific numbers on it. exact details. how about this for numbers God is infinite. his purity is infinite. his attributes are infinite. now let's say stealing a gumball as a kid is 1 ft away and what that murderer did with 100 billion miles away. All measurements compared to Infinity that are not Infinity are the same amount of distance away from Infinity. That is why we cannot possibly bring ourselves to a perfect God. he is infinitely far away from sin. there are greater or lesser punishments for the type of sin, but it's all an infinite distance from God.
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept. So an infinite point in spacetime cannot be reached, as it would be everywhere and everything, yet also not. With that in mind, how long would it take for you to reach an infinite point in space away from where you are here on Earth? An eternity. And you'd never get there. That's what infinity *is* . With that in mind, the idea of infinite suffering/pleasure in Hell or Heaven is literally the silliest thing for ANYONE to believe in. 'Cuz infinity cannot have a beginning, and cannot have an end. "But what about the Universe itself, though?", you may ask. It's simple, the Universe didn't come from "nothing". True nothing would have to be a no-energy, no-radiation, no-spacetime, no-matter state, with no conscious beings to experience or define it. There's more I could list there, but you should be able to understand the point I'm making. The Universe, through the expansion of the Big Bang, came out of an initial state of high density and temperature. Evolution is a fact of biology, and you can actually learn a lot about it with a quick Google search. While there is yet to be a definitive answer as to why animals, including humans, seem to develop into the things you all like to call part of the "LGBTQ Agenda", I'm certain there ARE answers out there, yet to be found. However, that is not my duty to fulfill, as I am not qualified, nor have I the expertise to handle such research. Whatever scientifically verified answer I find, I add to my collection of knowledge. If it's something that cannot be trusted, or is incorrect, I discard it as such. But hey, that's just me bein' a rational-minded asshole, I suppose.
@robinjameson4261
23 күн бұрын
@@switchie1987 You do have some interesting concepts and I do have some answers for some of what you're saying The concept of heaven and hell are concepts outside of traditional time since if you wish to follow what is said by Christians, God invented time. thus, he would be outside of the concept. that's why he has the ability to actually predict what will happen later is because he lives outside of traditional continuity. as such, he can see the end from the beginning. The concept I was making on Infinity for his mind is the fact that he is omniscient all-knowing all possible knowledge. that could be a mind that has absolutely no boundaries. Infinity was just an easier way of describing the concept. far less wordy as well. I have never denied that the concept of evolution exists. change has to exist for life to exist. if you had pure chaos, life would not exist. if you had pure order, life would not exist. both concepts and proper balance are needed for life to exist. evolution in terms of adaptation is a undeniable completely provable concept that I thoroughly embrace, but evolution in terms of speciation is completely unproven and the way that science works is until you prove it. it's not science. science must be repeatable and observable. you don't have those two things you don't have. science, that is not a matter of opinion. that is a matter of the very fundamental rule of science. this is why science while it is a useful tool, cannot prove the origin of anything because there would have been no one around to view it and you can't exactly recreate the spontaneous generation of everything. as for everything coming from nothing, It ultimately has to get to that point, either that or some kind of creative Force because even if you believe in the Big bang if you want to go off of the concept of science you have to say well, where did the hot dense state of matter and energy come from? You ultimately have to come to either. it always was thus the universe has the properties of God. a creative being outside of the concepts of reality made it. thus, you have the concept of God or nothing made it. thus you have nothing became everything. science is a wonderful, beautiful tool, but it's only a good tool for what it's made for trying to use science to explain the origin of everything is like trying to use a screwdriver to eat soup. a screwdriver is a lovely tool, but it's not for eating soup.
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
@@robinjameson4261 Yeah, not reading that, mate. Probs just a lotta waffle, anyways. Should've specified, but it's not hard to wrap one's head around the idea that the Universe could've just always been, in the sense that there was a universe before ours.
@robinjameson4261
23 күн бұрын
@@switchie1987 If you want to say science, you can't say the universe has always been because one of the laws of physics, not the suggestions of physics. not if I feel like it of physics, but the laws of physics says cause and effect. the only way for the universe to always be is that you use magic or a god. so you're not using science anymore you're using religion
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
@@robinjameson4261 Y'know what, I'm done. I was already in a bad mood today, I don't need you explaining something to me that you know nothing about.
@alicesamuel4380
Ай бұрын
Read Romans chapter 1 and you will find the reason why people happen to be gay.
@lupetijerina5357
Ай бұрын
This made my heart happy to see a believer with wisdom
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
but this is paul having a go at heterosexuals doing same sex acts in their idolotry cults, so how does that say anything a=on LGBT?
@hyperteleXii
Ай бұрын
Romans 1:26 "That is why God gave them over to disgraceful sexual passion, *for their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature.*" Jude 7 "In the same manner, Sod'om and Gomor'rah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshy desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire."
@KingofPepsi
28 күн бұрын
@alicesamuel, Romans 1 is not really Bible prophecy when gay people have been around way before the Bible was ever put together. There's just more gay people now because the population has grown. So the Bible writers were ignorant gay haters, NEXT!!...
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
Lemme guess, "And so, the LORD your God had handed them over to their sin", or something like that. I don't remember it word-for-word, but I know *something* like that is in there-
@creativeliv1124
2 күн бұрын
This is one of the best coraline analysis I’ve ever watched! Thank you so much for creating such a beautiful and intricate video! Coraline is my favorite movie ever! It’s what inspired me to create my own stop motion animations and get into film in general!
@dannyd222
3 күн бұрын
I like the commentary! Good job navigating the comments
@pastimesteve
Ай бұрын
I'm so glad you offered the closing perspective, because while this gentleman and his son are well versed in the Bible, they are ineffective -- at least in this debate -- in defending the truth. They seemed extremely concerned about coming down in a safe way, rather than a truthful one.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
Yeah, but is there really a nice way of saying "I don't care what neuroscientist and psychologist say, I let people who live multiple millennia ago dictate to me who it is ok to subjugate and oppress." If you were so concerned about telling the truth you all would just say you hate feminine men and masculine women because you do not live in the spirit, you are of the flesh and bigotry and inequality are your truth. You can not put aside your hate of gays no matter what sinful acts you yourself commit. You always can feel so righteous when compared to gays, and doesn't that feel good? Be honest with yourself and with the world you do not love your neighbor as you are commanded to and you CHOOSE willful ignorance over empathy for the weakest among us. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@NeatoFox
Ай бұрын
You should probably watch more of their content before formulating an opinion on them. Just a suggestion.
@pastimesteve
Ай бұрын
@NeatoFox I just think it's problematic when they fail on such a critical and foundational topic like this one. Also, I've come away with a similar opinion after watching another video of theirs -- that they're more worried about offending than speaking truth on hot button cultural issues.
@Michael-yl2iq
Ай бұрын
I am atheist, I always assumed if you believe in a God, that God made everything from saint to child murderer. Not sure how the claim God made something gets you a pass from controlling your own impulses and life.
@stephanyortiz6001
Ай бұрын
Thank you, and please excuse my ignorant Christian brethren found in the comments. If you watch the video, you will realize that most of the people making comments do not understand that Cliffe is speaking about them. It is self-righteous and ignorant to think that God sees any person differently than the worst sinner. For one reason: God loves Satan; if He didn't, Satan would not exist. God and Jesus will be forced to send many of His creations to hell, not because God won't forgive them, but because they are, deep down, no different than Satan. Pride, vanity, and arrogance are sadly what many Christians are known for. As proof, sinners, thieves, murderers, or even politicians didn't put Jesus to death; Jesus was put to death by His own people, the church. The Pharisees and the Jewish church were so blinded that they could not see Jesus for who He was. Also, just look at the church now. It is just like the days of Noah and the days of Jesus. To think a day would come where Christians would attack sinners by saying God didn't make them like that is astonishing. What purpose does it serve to think God needs to be defended? What He says is LAW. What He says is just by Him saying it, or by making a person and allowing them to exist. Anything else is just pure ignorance.
@DavidBryner-z9u
Ай бұрын
That just proves you don't need to be a christian to lack compassion and embrace bigotry over love
@Michael-yl2iq
Ай бұрын
@@DavidBryner-z9u I agree, many of these people claiming it is just how God made them are bigots as well.
@hyperteleXii
Ай бұрын
Love is true. Love without truth is just lust, and it WILL destroy you.@@DavidBryner-z9u
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
@@Michael-yl2iq Really is quite a shame, though. The fact that so, so many people refuse to see past their own nose like this..
@michaelm5601
2 күн бұрын
Please watch the hard to find video. Yes it has been removed from theaters , Amazon , KZitem and every other platform. This is an eye opener. Now that’s a podcast I would really appreciate. It’s called Documentary 1946
@user-og2wt3le4j
Күн бұрын
As clergy this is something we struggle with in how to counsel a church member. How do you tell someone with same sex attraction they are sinning? There is no sin in being gay. It is the acts that are offensive to God. There is also nothing a person does that creates them as gay. There is no choice. So despite this, what do you tell a God fearing Christian who is gay?
@Hon.Leung53
Ай бұрын
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Ай бұрын
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Ай бұрын
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Ай бұрын
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Ай бұрын
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Ай бұрын
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@robg8116
Ай бұрын
God didn't make anyone gay
@CharlesNewton-pj1gq
Ай бұрын
True but because we are born through sin. We don't want to follow God's plan. The plan of one man and one woman. Instead we listen to the father of lies, Satan. And, we are convinced that we are born gay. If we are born gay then we would all be gay. But, because that were not all born gay then it boils down to Satan's lie and making that choice to be gay.
@arandomdude4740
Ай бұрын
Yes he did, homosexuality develops in the brain since birth
@robg8116
Ай бұрын
@arandomdude4740 nope being gay is a choice God gave us free will
@paulnjeule2510
Ай бұрын
Babies are not sexual.@@arandomdude4740
@ministermattocks7570
Ай бұрын
yet he did and has been doing so for millions of years
@J040PL7
Күн бұрын
Just because you can use a spoon as a shovel, doesn't mean it's creator designed it to be a shovel.
@OurMattersTalk
Күн бұрын
People grow into it based on their environment. We are all born neutral without knowing anything about us until we are told who we are.
@nostalgic8284
Ай бұрын
I do disagree on one level. I was attracted to my same gender at a very young age not sexually technically. But I know I liked my same gender. So that is another dilemma to consider.
@NovusIgnis
Ай бұрын
How does that disagree with what they said?
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
@@NovusIgnis It shows there's more to it than the shallow-minded takes thrown out by the religious on these matters.
@NovusIgnis
23 күн бұрын
@@switchie1987 Oh boy, this guy's following me around now
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
@@NovusIgnis What, you got a problem with that? I'm just speaking the truth!!! 🤣
@willycormack3840
Ай бұрын
I'm not gay but my boyfriend is.
@switchie1987
23 күн бұрын
Jokes aside, I hope you two are getting along well! 😎 Stay awesome! And never, EVER let people tell you that you should feel shame for who you are, or who you love!
@joshuarivera3617
Күн бұрын
Logan tried really hard to discredit this guy and yet Logan did not succeed
@tonymercado3201
5 күн бұрын
It’s biblical. Some are born gay, HOWEVER, it’s written, it’s generational curses.
@J040PL7
Күн бұрын
The bible says a man laying with a man as if he was a woman is an abomination. So the action is the sin. Just like killing is a sin, not having murderous thoughts.
@craigaussant5139
8 күн бұрын
It's so simple to understand they just don't want to.
@DrKillGoood
20 сағат бұрын
Sinful flesh we all walk in is what causes the fleshly desire of homosexuality.
@richardbolt478
2 күн бұрын
Clif just needed to say that God doesn’t make people gay.
@lycanleader1453
23 сағат бұрын
Its so bizarre that Logan Paul a guy who makes fun of people in japan who have taken there own life trying to debate from a point of moral standing.
@schramcole145
2 күн бұрын
You answered the question far better than either of the gentlemen in the video. Bravo
@pennythedog2874
3 күн бұрын
Guy really said " I E"... instead of in example!! 🤣
@stevied3400
3 күн бұрын
i.e. means “that is”. e.g. means “for the sake of example” or “for example”
@Messenger8...179
3 күн бұрын
God did not create all humans
@Cesaf25s
2 күн бұрын
God gave free will. If living in sin is your choice. It is your choice.
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