Top tip The Elizabeth Line station at Liverpool Street is so big it connects to Moorgate so you can interchange from to and from this service to and from the Lizzy Line too without dealing with the busy mess that is Liverpool Street above.
@markhjones956
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this video. I love your enthusiasm. Although I used to live in London, I only used this line once, the morning after I got horribly drunk with two friends who lived at Finsbury Park. My memory of it is not very clear, At that time, those of us who frequently used NSE called it NOT-work South East.
@wondermittens1844
3 ай бұрын
Woah! Native Brit here, didn’t know this even existed You’ve earned yourself a sub :) sincerely, an aviation nerd who might now get into trains as well xD
@JelMain
2 ай бұрын
Runs from various Hertfordshire termini through Enfield Chase, at 20 minute intervals at peak times, 30 minutes otherwise.
@SuperPocoman
2 ай бұрын
Used to take this train a lot as a kid! I love and miss the old trains, were the oldest trains on tfl before they replaced them. The north London locals always call it the Great Northern. Thanks for the video that is my home!
@katrinabryce
2 ай бұрын
They were the oldest trains on the British mainland before they were replaced, only the Isle of Wight Line had older trains.
@TheTransportHub17
2 ай бұрын
Cool video. It’s my favourite line especially Essex Road as it has Network Southeast signage and maps still. I do miss the Class 313s as they suited the line better. Just a slight correction Network Southeast started in 1986. So in 1976 it was British Rail who took over the line.
@jamesharmer9293
2 ай бұрын
I used to use this line every day on my way to work. When the trains come out of the tunnels at Drayton Park, everyone's mobile phones used to go off when they re-acquired a signal. Moorgate at the end of the tunnel was the site of a horrific train crash back in 1975 when a train ran into the wall at the end of the tunnel. Hanging around the station platform late at night is fairly creepy.
@frdavid755
2 ай бұрын
This line should be on the tube map. It was in the past.
@davidpanton3192
2 ай бұрын
The tube map contains no network lines which aren't on the Overground. It was only on the tube map when it was part of the Northern Line, then perhaps before it was extended beyond Krapy Rubsnif.
@jeffeveningstar648
2 ай бұрын
@@davidpanton3192Thameslink is on the tube map
@temslink2000
2 ай бұрын
@@davidpanton3192 as a resident along that line its been posed to join the overground for a lil while now (which is needed as while i love it alotta the stations need some major work which gn kinda just did the bare min with)
@DavidRobinson1978
2 ай бұрын
@@davidpanton3192 Not True Thameslink has been on the map for years. It was removed for a while and then added back on.
@rushefski
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your Videos..They are Awesome.
@gigteevee6118
2 ай бұрын
Nice work, you got a sub from London.
@thesuperharrisonchannel4310
3 ай бұрын
Wow! So cool! I love London trains! I was just in Maine I went to the seashore trolley museum! It was awesome! Just telling you.
@raakone
2 ай бұрын
This is a wonderful video, been on that line in London a few times. In some ways, a bit comparable to the PATH of New York City, perhaps, or certain main lines in Rome, in so far as it feels like a subway, but officially is not. Minor nitpick, back during the Underground days of the Northern City Line, it wasn't ever connected for passenger service to Finsbury Park. Also, when it was first taken over by the LTPB/London Transport, in 1933, it was officially part of the Metropolitan line, despite being nothing like the rest of the line, and using unusual trains (it also was the only "tube" line that ever had First Class, but that was abolished soon after nationalization). It was shifted to the Northern Line because of the Northern Heights plan. The connecting "ramps" to the high level station were only used by diesel locomotives to move trains to and from the rest of the network. But "Mainline" trains only came on in 1976 when the line was re-opened, first in August that year between Old Street and Drayton Park, then extended to Moorgate at the south and Finsbury Park and beyond in October that year. Had the Northern Heights gone ahead, there would have been service through Finsbury Park (not sure if the tracks would be isolated from the mainline ones, or there would be shared platforms), and trains would have continued along a branch that's actually now a linear park (but unlike the New York High Line and Paris's version, it's mostly natural growth there), to go to several branches (including one that's no longer around, and one that never existed) The only things the Northern Heights accomplished? A) standard 4-rail electrification for this line, and also B) one branch of the Northern Line got built...but only one station. Mill Hill East was electrified and properly connected to the "real" Northern Line. Why? Because World War II happened, and there happened to be a major Army barracks near that station.
@honajtransit
2 ай бұрын
thank you for all this info! very odd that it was a part of the met line, i wonder why they did it that way and re: the introduction of mainline trains, that is weird, wikipedia definitely implied a 1971 start!
@raakone
2 ай бұрын
@@honajtransit It was part of the Metrtopolitan line probably because it was owned by the Metropolitan Railway when it was taken over in 1933. They had an unusual 3rd rail system with outside running rails at 575 volts (because at the time most mainline trains had chain-link couplings that could accidentally hit a central rail, the GN & C was originally built to provide a connection for the Great Northern to go into "The City", but Great Northern changed from supporting this idea to being against it, they got laws past and court injunctions to prevent it from extending north of Finsbury Park, then put all kinds of catches on using that station, then finally got it bottled up to tube platforms beneath their station (but said platforms are now used by the Victoria line) The reason the Metropolitan couldn't connect it to the Circle was because they also wanted to run freight trains, but the permission they got to build the link limited it to "passengers and parcels" because of another railroad objecting. They also wanted to extend the line to Bank, and even connect it to the Waterloo and City line (they'd have to use smaller trains and change the electrification) This line was also the only "tube" to have first class seats available, from February 15, 1915 to late March, 1934. It only became part of the Northern Line a few years later ("Northern City Line"), and was renamed for the last time in the Tube in 1970 ("Northern Line - Highbury Branch"). In 1975 they started converting, changing it to a one track "shuttle" (I think there's a NYC subway line that's like that) at first, during which the Moorgate Disaster happened (terrible crash, ended 42 passengers and the driver). In October that year, the service ENTIRELY ended. Oh, when the line reopened, from 1976 until a few years ago, it didn't run on weekends (and commuter services that went to Moorgate on weekdays went to King's Cross instead) This only recently changed. Also, Drayton Park is where power source changes between overhead and 3rd rail, unlike, say, the New Haven line, which changes sources BETWEEN stations
@richardterrell5309
2 ай бұрын
Over the years I have seldom travelled this line, but when I had found it unique and if my memory correct an annexe of the Northern Line on the map.
@thesuperharrisonchannel4310
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video!,!😅
@MrMakeDo
3 ай бұрын
I like how creepy and liminal the northern city line feels.
@LoveLondon-ue4gg
2 ай бұрын
The the northern city line alongside its sister line, the Hartford loop is actually the most frequent services on Great Northern fact it’s normal to have 2 tph and 1 tph because it’s very easy, and it’s very easy to like understand
@TrevorJohnsMoment
2 ай бұрын
Hi 👋 you might want to learn more about the Moorgate disaster whereby a tube train (Northern) didn't stop and went at speed into the dead end with catastrophic consequences...
@robbiemorrison7085
2 ай бұрын
Moorgate used to also be on Thameslink, it closed in 2009 and ran along to Kings Cross/St Pancras int.
@JelMain
2 ай бұрын
The useful connection is to the North London Overground Line at Highbury, which avoids the Central London congestion.
@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
2 ай бұрын
Network Southeast only became a thing in 1986 ten years after British Rail got the line. Also the line doesn't have fourth rail electrifaction but instead third rail with the former negative return rail dropped to the sleepers to keep it out of the way and it is being removed as part of the ETCS project for the East Coast Mainline.
@andyf750
2 ай бұрын
Drayton Park should be upgraded/rebuilt to take crowds from Arsenal FCs Emirates Stadium and take the pressure off Holloway Road/Finsbury Park/Arsenal/Highbury & Islington.
@davidpanton3192
2 ай бұрын
Good stuff. It's hard to see why the GN gave it up so soon, and what the Met sought to gain from it!
@helmutsecke3529
2 ай бұрын
You're in the Smoke again lad? Brilliant! if you've time lad, check Kennington tube station (Northern Line) for the deeeep spiral staircase.
@honajtransit
2 ай бұрын
i am now in amsterdam (responding to this comment on an NS train) but i need to remember to head over there next time i’m in london!
@cedriclynch
2 ай бұрын
@@honajtransitThe deepest spiral staircase on the London Underground is at Hampstead, also on the Northern Line (Edgware branch). There are signs warning you not to use it (instead of the lift) in case you drop dead from the exertion.
@MervynPartin
2 ай бұрын
I have used this line since my far distant youth when the trains were London Transport (pre-1938) Standard tube stock, and later 1938 tube stock. I later used it after the British Rail takeover to get from New Southgate to Moorgate on the dual voltage class 313 trains. I would like to point out that it IS a tube line, having been built with cast iron segments lining the tunnels, albeit to a larger diameter than the rest of the London tube network. The use of the word "Tube" to describe the entire London underground system is incorrect and should only be applied to the deep level Northern, Piccadilly, Central, Waterloo & City, Bakerloo, Jubilee and Victoria lines. The Metropolitan, Circle, District and the Hammersmith & City lines are sub-surface lines. London Transport have published books that clearly distinguished the trains as Tube or Surface.
@honajtransit
2 ай бұрын
yeah tbf here i was saying “tube” as a synonym for “london underground”, which is the norm, as wrong as it may be!
@jbc1829
2 ай бұрын
That line has been very quiet post pandemic, it’s probably best known for the terrible Moorgate disaster in 1975.
@katrinabryce
2 ай бұрын
It was very quiet pre-pandemic as well.
@Listenerandlearner870
2 ай бұрын
The line above goes to the North London Line or whatever it is called. It is freight only these days.
@BrianNeal
3 ай бұрын
Very cool to see you in London! Riding In The Tube would be cool, but you don't see any great scenery like you do the other trains out through the UK countryside!
@keithhitchings8911
2 ай бұрын
That is not the tube line it is Great Northern
@glowingfish
3 ай бұрын
This video made me think of something that I should have thought of before, but strangely haven't...how do London subway and longer distance trains interact? I bet I could spend a lot of time finding out, but thank you for the introduction.
@honajtransit
3 ай бұрын
Tube and NR trains interact in a couple places actually: the outer Met line (video coming soonish!) and the Richmond branch of the District line. This, however, this one of the only tube-feeling NR lines.
@raakone
2 ай бұрын
@@honajtransit and don't forget part of the Bakerloo line, north of Queen's Park. In the case of the Met and District lines, they weren't originally thought of as "subways" but as "mainline railways that just happened to go underground in the city to get around a restriction" (during the height of "Railway Mania" in the Victorian era, they declared a huge chunk of the city off limits to tracks, but it didn't include underground) In the case of the Bakerloo line (which is a unique case of "tube" trains running onto the mainline, previously this was done on part of the Northern Line), at one time you even had some tube-size trains painted like the mainline, and they were using "slam" doors instead of normal sliding doors (meaning that at EACH STATION, someone had to make sure the doors were closed before the train started), and those were the only tube-size-trains to have luggage racks!
@crazyboutferrets
2 ай бұрын
the services from moorgate extend to welwyn garden city, my hometown
@honajtransit
2 ай бұрын
indeed, i took a train north that terminated there! (albeit the "location redacted" i mention in the outro is before there)
@Listenerandlearner870
11 күн бұрын
How did trains get from Drayton Park to Finsbury Park lower level ?
@honajtransit
11 күн бұрын
I'm not sure, but openrailwaymap seems to suggest a still-extant segment of track linked the two
@lawrencesmith9078
2 ай бұрын
It’s not secret.
@honajtransit
2 ай бұрын
no, it's obviously a state secret that must be protected at all costs! /j for real though, i'm of the opinion that it is less known (or, one could say, more secret) than other london train lines
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