Thats what i call a BIG lesson, smoothbores are way more acurate than most "expert shooters" claim. Great vídeo as always.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@cagneybillingsley2165
Жыл бұрын
it's eye opening for sure, but i always though smoothbores could be accurate at around 100 yards or so anyway. i think hollywood gave us this idea that line battles happened at 25-50 meters, when it was a much longer distance in reality. i reckon it didn't film well when ranges were depicted more accurately
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine
Жыл бұрын
@@cagneybillingsley2165 A surprising amount of people will unquestionably buy into that goofy idea that soldiers would just line up in opposing, *static* rows, and then calmly blast away, basically just rolling the dice on whether or not they would score a hit. That's such an insane thing to picture in your head yet people will insist that's how it really happened.
@dolsopolar
Жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine thats what most people think about linear warfare unfortunately. A “gentlemen” warfare
@Jake-dh9qk
Жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine This is musket accuracy under perfect and stable conditions though. It becomes different in combat scenarios. Back then it would take around 400 bullets to take down 1 person and it's been well documented in British, French and Prussian armies during the Napoleonic wars. Each battle could spend up to 1.5millions of bullets just to produce around 4-5k casualties. You also have to take misfires, wrong powder and poorly aligned bores into consideration. The rumors of muskets being inaccurate actually started in the 1700s when armies would witness how wildly unpredictable the musket was. There's a 1800s saying that goes "to kill a man you would need lead equal to his weight". The quote actually still overestimated the actual accuracy. It would be more correct to say that it would require 1.5x lead the man's weight to kill the man, since the average of all records shows 400-500 bullets per one casualty. Most casualties were form cannons and routing.
@Bayan1905
Жыл бұрын
It's no secret that here in the northeast and even in the northwest that the Native Americans preferred for decades on end preferred smoothbore trade guns almost exclusively because they could take all manner of game with them. During the French & Indian War and up to the 1770's, colonial settlers preferred smoothbore guns, not the rifles later on that you saw during the American Revolution so much. According to "Firearms of the Fur Trade" by James Hanson, between 1674 and 1781, the Hudson Bay Company bought 46,000 smoothbore trade guns specifically to trade with the Native Americans, particularly the Iroquois. This doesn't count the other companies that were selling to allies of the British or even the thousands of guns the French companies were selling and trading to their Native American allies. The trade was so competitive with the Native Americans, especially for those smoothbore trade guns, that these companies set up a trade scale for furs as a value for what they went for compared to different models of guns that were offered. According to the book "For Trade and Treaty: Firearms of the American Indians 1600-1920" in 1748 the Hudson Bay Company scale for guns to furs for trade went like this: For one gun with a 4 foot barrel, that was equal to 12 beaver skins, a gun with a 3 1/2 foot barrel, that was equal to 11 beaver skins, a 3 foot barrel, 10 beaver skins and 1 1/2 pounds of powder, 5 pounds of shot and 20 French flints were each worth one beaver skin in trade each. It's not out of line to say that these smoothbore style guns helped build the trade industry with the Native Americans that helped settle early America.
@chopsddy3
Жыл бұрын
I wish those prices were still in effect. Beaver pelts are more available to me than dollars.
@tilasole3252
Жыл бұрын
But why were they so eager to trade smoothbore guns? Cheaper for the seller to initially buy? Also perhaps selling an inferior weapon to them. We know it kills, as any weapon does. But that would be like selling them a lesser of two evils.
@chuckyxii10
9 ай бұрын
well the thing is they preferred them because they could also use them as weapons too. The various tribes were in an almost constant state of warfare with each other over territory since they were semi-nomadic. The terrain was also heavily forested where you would be lucky to see even 100m so the you don't really need the range a rifle could give you, much better to use the smoothbore since it can load much faster due to not needing a tight fitting ball.
@chuckyxii10
9 ай бұрын
@@tilasole3252 Smooth bores were the superior weapon. Rifles of the era were very slow to reload because they required very tight fitting balls so it took a lot more effort to ram them. Also while the rifle itself could give better accuracy at range, it's still much harder to hit things far away so the actual advantage isn't so great. That's why even European armies fighting in open fields only used rifles in limited number until the minie ball was developed.
@earlwheelock7844
Ай бұрын
@@tilasole3252 Kind of like selling ( or GIVING blankets,INFECTED WITH SMALLPOX, knowing that smallpox was a death sentance to the native americans,) huh?
@TheGhostrider1959
Жыл бұрын
Well....I have a .62 smooth bore "Tuley" & when developing my load for it I arrived at the exact load you did....80 gr 3f with a .20 patch & a .60 round ball....I consistantly have 4" groups at 75 yards....never tried 180yd don't think I could see that far to be accurate(not the gun....my tired old eyes)....but you've proven it can be done....good video
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@marcoaurelio296
Жыл бұрын
Many years ago I red articles wrote by Bob Spencer about flintlock smoothbores in 20 Ga. They are still in the web. But, your video is so revealing about the capacity of smoothbores!! Congrats, and thanks. In my country 🇦🇷 is almost impossible to buy such guns... So, you ecourage me to make one. Thanks for that!
@HobbiesHobo
Жыл бұрын
For some odd reason a smoothbore double has always appealed to me. You're on a roll these days, great vids. Mike.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike
@ILoveMuzzleloading
Жыл бұрын
But but but that's IMPOSSIBLE!!! LOL - Great job dude, very impressive!!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@raytribble8075
Ай бұрын
I built a rifled .62 caliber Andreas Albright type rifle. With that 38” Colerain radius barrel, 110 grain 2F Swiss and .600” round ball with .020 patch… it’s damn accurate out to 150 yards. Awesome video and great shot!
@chopsddy3
Жыл бұрын
Smooth bores are way more accurate than many people think. People that shoot them frequently know this. They’re pretty hard to beat if your in a totally self sufficient situation. If you had to, you could load them with small smooth stream stones for shot. Or even like the song mentions “…..rock salt and nails.” Ouch!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Definitely
@johncashwell1024
Жыл бұрын
I think the key to this conversation isn't so much smooth bore vs. rifle, but is actually more about the projectile. IMO the rifle was able to 'iron out' miniscule inconsistencies in the projectile weight, diameter, sprue placement, etc., especially from shot to shot, where each shot was given the same amount spin in the same direction. Again, imo, with the smooth bore the two biggest impactors on ballistics, roundness and the weight balance, couldn't be easily countered back in the day, especially with a soft lead ball made by the campfire or brought along in the armaments wagon and given lumps and dings by its neighbor lead balls. Of course, inside the barrel, it is the job of the 'patch' to keep that ball from rolling or bouncing off the walls, but once outside, those weight and roundness issues quickly start to affect the ballistic path; like a pitcher throwing a knuckle ball or curve ball. Maybe my theory is right, maybe I am way off.
@vicroc4
5 ай бұрын
That makes a lot of sense. Modern balls and patches (and powder) make things a bit more even. But that's only true for spherical projectiles. Conical ("bullet-shaped") projectiles tend to need some spin to stabilize them. You can even see this with a rifle that doesn't have an adequate twist rate for the bullet it's firing - you'll be lucky to hit something even at short ranges. There's a few rare non-spherical projectiles that work okay out of smoothbores (the Diabolo shape of pellet gun fame, for example), but it's still hard to get accuracy with them to this kind of range.
@johnkilcer
Жыл бұрын
I was helping my brother pick a barrel for a muzzloader build and he was talking about research and testing from the Civil War era and getting hung up on it. Had to explain to him a cheep steel barrel today is already way better material than most iron workhorses of the era.(thet the average schmuck could afford) its interesting how much can be coaxed out of them with the base level of Modern manufacturing.
@krockpotbroccoli65
Жыл бұрын
Yup. People like to shit on the India muskets. I tell them that the machined old car axle habib made that barrel from is far and away better material than the mandrel forged wrought iron from the days of yore.
@308dad8
Жыл бұрын
@@krockpotbroccoli65 But folks are buying them for the look of the days of yore so hammer forged wrought iron is appropriate for at least some
@308dad8
Жыл бұрын
John, what’s he getting hung up on? I have no qualms with modern materials and manufacturing. I’m all for a round or octagon barrel, even stainless barrels. A lot of people believe you can’t shoot PRB accurately with modern twist rates. That’s just not true. I can hold every shot on a squirrel sized target at 30 yards with my CVA Wolf. Tight fit is the thing, and finding the right charge for your barrel.
@krockpotbroccoli65
Жыл бұрын
@@308dad8 I've got plenty of restored old iron muskets from the early to mid 1800s I wouldn't hesitate to shoot light loads through.
@308dad8
Жыл бұрын
@@krockpotbroccoli65 I don’t doubt that old iron is still plenty strong. Keep the rust at bay and the metal ain’t gonna lose its properties
@Dean-ds1yd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks alot for the video and for confirming the potential of a smoothbore again.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Happy to help
@rover8772
Жыл бұрын
LOL.. That look on your face when you hit the target.. Priceless!
@agoffgrid640
Жыл бұрын
Exactly!! Nice shooting! Drooling over your collection.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@MrTacklebury
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I have a .72 cal brown bess long lands and have shot 4" groups at 100 yards. I wouldn't probably try to take a deer due to the windage as you saw, but in an emergency, who knows. It is pretty amazing that you can get any group with nothing but a bayonet lock nub for a sight. ;) My load for hunting with that is 90 gr. 3f with a .715 ball with pillow tick patch. Hits like a wrecking ball. Round balls are particularly bad with cross winds too though and react to them much worse due to a pretty abysmal B.C.
@independentthinker8930
Жыл бұрын
With the right bullet they are surprisingly accurate
@cheemsreads
Жыл бұрын
What a shot! Well done!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@leadbullets4life
Жыл бұрын
one of the best smooth bore long range shooting marksman ship i've ever seen, davy crockett was able to shoot the shoulder boards off general Santa Anna's uniform at the same distance with a rifled bore muzzle load,,,so this is even better!! it's the one video plus your 1851 navy revolver shoot i enjoy watching over and over it just doesn't get old.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@davefellhoelter1343
Жыл бұрын
Reminder: These types of firearms put "Food on the Table" and kept you safe! Smooth bores can cross boundaries both ways! Small game with shot, larger with ball, and really Dangerous critters with "Buck and Ball"!! Oh Ya this is how military leaders of old made up for troops with not the best marksmanship, just send Three Pistol Caliber round balls, with a Much larger Ball down range like a bulldozer. Work of Art you have! Love it! Darn you get fast pan lights! Go Bangs! Keep your Smoke Poles SMOKING, going to make a new test batch of pucks today!
@Rsoul461
Жыл бұрын
Glad I found your channel man. This was a excellent video.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jeffersoncarlisle3125
Жыл бұрын
Very cool thanks for sharing! I play around with home made blackpowder in a 12 gauge shotgun sometimes and been shooting .690 pumpkin balls out of it. I haven't been able to be very accurate, but you make me want to try again. I think I need to up my charge.
@hawknives
Жыл бұрын
I was surprised how accurate the Brown Bess is. Very accurate!
@ricktaylor5744
3 ай бұрын
The smooth bore is very versatile, and when traveling light or money is tight it's a pretty good option. Thank you Jake.
@StevenMMan
Жыл бұрын
Damn fine shot.
@blackpowderandbibles
Жыл бұрын
Another great video. Thanks for creating great content.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@buckaroobonzai3865
Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@halfwayfarmsandoutdoors3550
Жыл бұрын
That was a nice shot!!!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Friedbrain11
Жыл бұрын
Damn, that's a beautiful flintlock.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@blackpowderfirearmenthusia3194
Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you.
@P61guy61
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. Great subject.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@victortuten4399
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Short and to the point! My flintlock has a rifled barrel, but one day I hope to get a smooth bore. I have no doubt it will be able to do what I want it to. Provided I have a tight fitting ball and patch combo.
@Beuwen_The_Dragon
Жыл бұрын
Buy a pipe and throw a lock and stock on it.
@ChicanoSteve
Жыл бұрын
I admire your marksmanship brother! Also is there something you CAN'T DO!?!? Chemist, reloader, marksman, scientist, hunter, auto mechanic?!?!? Man! Jake, you are one talented individual my brother! Love your talent and your video content! God bless to you and your family, GodSpeed!... 💯💥🤠
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! And something I can’t manage to do is to keep my reloading bench clean and tidy
@ChicanoSteve
Жыл бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😅😅😅 ... that's a good one!... I appreciate your reply as I got a good chuckle out of it!!! Thank you for making my evening brother! Keep up the good work and content! Did I mention that I got to the shooting range on a Saturday afternoon late cause I saw your entire interview with Bang bang11 along with Blackie and Snapper a couple weeks ago!?!? I fell asleep (like I normally do for the most part cause of chronic pain and insomnia) as the sun was coming up and just got a few rounds in on our navys, a pepperbox, a Wells Fargo and a Bison 12" from Pietta with my two boys, but it was worth it though, I learned alot as I'm a newbie to BP just this year, wish I knew before but now we are here and here to stay! I'll continue to support your channel by following and likes as I get notified to every video posts... Thanks again for your reply and sharing, God bless your family and GodSpeed! -Steve G...
@johnsmith-gk4td
Жыл бұрын
Awesome job!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@CapnSchep
Жыл бұрын
Thanx, that was a relaxing and fun video to watch ..
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@bigracer3867
Жыл бұрын
Wow! That’s some beautiful scenery!!!!!! Good shooting BTW!!🎯
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@PalmettoNDN
Ай бұрын
Hendrie rocks. He's a hell of a craftsman.
@MrCncmike
Жыл бұрын
just got my smoothbore....looking forward to shooting it......great vid
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you
@danielrose2146
7 ай бұрын
Loved this video. ❤️
@raulmorales9967
Жыл бұрын
Nice shooting,Thanks for the video.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@leoscheibelhut940
Жыл бұрын
Very impressive!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Kashtukprimal
Жыл бұрын
Awe man I just saw this video! Awesome brotha!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Kashtukprimal
Жыл бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder ha ha I clicked the “bell” to get all your videos now!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@TexasLeverGunner
Жыл бұрын
My Fusil shoots way to the right, so I don't shoot it much... need to send it to Bobby Hoyt and get it bent/trued up, but with that being said, even though it's 4" to the right at 50 yards, it groups well. I I didn't have to compensate so much, I'd hunt with it with zero hesitation.
@sasquatch885
Жыл бұрын
Nicely done.👍🏻
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@luuk-out-below9804
Жыл бұрын
Nice shot!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@blackpowder-bulgaria
Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@jackblackpowderprepper4940
Жыл бұрын
Nice shooting. Excellent windage call. When I heard the wind on the mic I didn't think you could pull it off.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@michaelrobertson8882
Жыл бұрын
I live in southern Illinois and we have an 1750's French fort called Fort Charters. There's a lot of folks around here that and from around the country that do reenactments a couple times a year and there are some serious smooth bore shooting happening... I have a R.E. Davis fuzzle fin with a 48" Ed Rayl barrel...there is a lot of deferences in bore sizes between barrel maker's my Rayl barrel measures. Exactly.620 .. Most people I shoot with don't use patches...what I do is use a .615 ball then run it over a large horse rasp vigorously to put dimples in it it at the same time it in larges the ball past .620 so it snow cones at the muzzle...I lubricate with a mixture of olive oil heated up with candle wax to make a paste. Then give the ball a wack to start it. Treating the ball this way keeps the ball from spinning as it goes down the barrel and improving accuracy.. and the lub keeps the inside of the barrel from getting dry making following shots easier to load Hope any of that helps...
@Jeremy-qb9ej
4 ай бұрын
That was bad ass!! Mine is the same Guage n.w. trade gun....
@exothermal.sprocket
Жыл бұрын
Was listening to Joseph Von Benedikt's podcast, talk about his elk hunt where he took a large elk with a flintlock and round ball. Cool stuff.
@dougdukes1039
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, in everything you said. Having said that, I think the issue was the paper cartridges that was used. The balls your undersized, sometimes WAY undersized. And them there was the paper used as wadding. Militia and Military rounds provided varied in sizes of balls and paper used. I think that MAY be where some of the statements come from about hitting a barn. With a tight fitting ball and patch, a marksman can do alot. But if your just trying the get out three rounds per minute with a paper cartridge, that changes things alot. Enjoyed the video.
@williamgillette4086
Жыл бұрын
In combat they used bare balls to save time. Out to 75 yards they could consistantly hit a man.
@lutzderlurch7877
8 ай бұрын
Military used paper cartridges and adjusted ball dimension etc to their optimum balance of accuracy and speed
@lovecraftfan2793
5 ай бұрын
This, plus you didnt really need that much accuracy when bombarding the enemy line with volley fire. Individual shots didnt count as much as the organized firing of units as a whole - speed was then more important (in the open fighting scenario, hunters and marksmen operated differently, with good results)
@williamgillette4086
8 ай бұрын
I now have a 20 ga flintlock fowler made by Jack Garner in Mississippi. Has a 25 inch barrel. It is suppose to represent a repurposed damaged and fixed gun . Easier to load on horseback or in a canoe. It doesnt haveca butt plate orca lot of extra metal on it so it weighs just under 6 pounds. Its a great partridge gun. Its loaded for Turkeys right now. Plan using it for deer. After that i will try some long shots if i can find a place with 100+ yards of open ground. Will let you know how i do. A now dearly departed friend had an 1841 Springfield smoothbore musket. He shot patched 69 cal. Round balls over 100 gr of ff. That gun shot really well. That was 50 years ago so i dont remember group size.
@olskool3967
Жыл бұрын
good video! and thanks for not playing any obnoxious music! and not having some stupid intro video that gives away the highlights, you get a like from me!
@williamgillette4086
Жыл бұрын
Years ago I had a 14 ga.wm.parker double. I would load one barrel with a patched 69cal. RB. I would group 4 " at 50 yards. I regret selling that.
@USAPatriot1776
9 ай бұрын
Fine shooting and great video enjoyed a lot,keep making them. From Arkansas
@Everythingblackpowder
9 ай бұрын
Thank you
@geoffsimms7124
11 ай бұрын
Very informative!
@richardsims1805
Жыл бұрын
Nice shootin'!!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@vernonland5987
Жыл бұрын
Always good videos.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@johnndavis7647
28 күн бұрын
I have busted the same myth in regards to snub nosed revolvers . When I say that I shoot beer cans at 100 yards with my S&W 642 people don't believe it. They think that a "belly gun" can't do that. First you have to find ammo the gun likes. Then you have to be a better than average hand with a revolver. But believe me when I tell that the gun has the accuracy built into it.
@Bhartrampf
Жыл бұрын
They even made Smith bore rifles, they were pretty common for meat hunters, as they could change their load depending on what they were hunting. From birds to bison. They liked them Bec really heavy charges could be used for buffalo, moose and grizz, with heavy bullets.
@Bhartrampf
Жыл бұрын
I used to have a original Remington 50 cal smooth bore rifle, it was awesome... Nev should of got right of it. Killed lots of rabbits with it.
@masonponton3077
Жыл бұрын
This video needs more views! To much fudd lore about smoothbore muskets and the like.
@loquat44-40
Жыл бұрын
I have been told by experienced shooters that for hunting purposes where the chest cavity was the goal, 80 yard with tightly patched ball. Smooth bore trade muskets were sold through the entire 19th century and I would like to buy an enhanced flintlock trade gun, but as a carbine with stainless steel barrel. For survival hunting, a rugged trade musket was about as good as you could get. As long as you had powder and flint, you could even shoot gravel in it if needed to kill small game.
@paulkopacz5051
Жыл бұрын
I have been wanting a Fusil De Chase for some time now. Maybe this is the year.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
They are great guns
@terryqueen3233
Жыл бұрын
You know what these trolls are going to say. Good shot by the way. My first guess is you shot at at least once before LOL. Seriously that was a good shot and you really got to know your rifle. I followed you for a little while and I believe you but boy that you going to be some out there that don't and you know that. Again good shot stay vigilant and keep ye powder dry
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@m4vr1ck
8 ай бұрын
The abrams tank is smooth bore and its sabot rounds can take targets 2 miles out while on the move
@vicroc4
5 ай бұрын
Granted, the rounds are fin-stabilized and the gun is mechanically laid as opposed to wobbling around in human hands. But yeah, it still subverts the usual expectation.
@Pupperino7773
Жыл бұрын
Plus you hit that standing
@kovona
8 ай бұрын
It makes sense now why French voltigeurs had smoothbores rather than rifles for skirmishing. Three times faster to reload, and still effective within 100 yards for targeting individuals if you knew what you were doing.
@dudearlo
Жыл бұрын
Whooo 🎉
@johnkilcer
Жыл бұрын
Btw. Im seeing solvent trap adds on your videos. Them FED boys working overtime
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Lol I shouldn’t be surprised…
@TomekGrafik
Жыл бұрын
Cool best from Poland
@Darth_Boons
Жыл бұрын
I think you are freaking awesome 🔥
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Well thanks
@Darth_Boons
Жыл бұрын
Well you are intelligent and cool as ice you are respectable my friend
@Darth_Boons
Жыл бұрын
I know it's dumb but I've been in a hard place emotionally and shooting and cleaning and thinking about shooting it's helpful it let's you relax for a minute you have been really cool since I started watching I feel like you are a good and smart guy
@1diggers1
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Very versatile long gun for people hunting or protecting themselves on the fronter almost 300 years ago. ( time flies!) I do wonder if our modern components don't add to the accuracy of the smooth bore quite a bit. I'd guess people back then had to take what they could get as far as round balls, patches and powder goes. I'd guess consistency in components was hard to come by. Maybe that had something to do with the idea that smoothbores are inaccurate. The way the military loaded muskets may have played into that reputation also, and then people exaggerate it, of course. Anyhow, what I have read about the forest density back then, shooting at close targets was probably the norm.
@CapnSchep
Жыл бұрын
If I was limited to be able to have only 1 fire arm it would definitely be a smooth bore shotgun somewhere around 20 gauge ..!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Good choice
@garrybrischke53
Жыл бұрын
I agree. Savage model 24. .22lr/ 20ga is the most versatile gun in my safe.
@sorshiaemms5959
Ай бұрын
Beautiful gun
@CLinAZ
Жыл бұрын
The problem with my smooth bore flintlocks is that only 1 of them has a rear sight installed. The others I just use as shotguns. Damn nice shooting with a Flinter, especially in the cross winds and at that distance!
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. A little never hurts
@jimv.661
Жыл бұрын
Good shooting.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@hoppinggnomethe4154
7 ай бұрын
Oh, of course, it could take down big games. I am more interested in the fact that smoothbore muzzleloaders could take down dangerous games in Africa. Those 2-bore rifles are no joke.
@earlwheelock7844
Ай бұрын
THAT is a 1/2 POUND ROUND BALL OF LEAD!!!! CAN YOU IMAGINE THE RECOIL OF THAT THING!!???? OUCH!! ( even tho the rifle weighed 30 lb.)!!! 😲😲😲🤕🤕🤕🤕😨😨😨
@Tammy-un3ql
Жыл бұрын
👍👍
@CarlosPerez-bm3vz
Жыл бұрын
Great Video Sir! I enjoyed it a lot and I'm really impressed 👍 you have my like + my follow
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@alsaunders7805
Жыл бұрын
With modern propellants and aerodynamic projectiles and sabots smoothbore shotguns can be accurate at ranges most people only think of rifles for. Like another commenter posted, I can't see that far anymore anyway so if I can see it it is in range. 🤓🍻
@davidcahill4670
8 ай бұрын
Now do it with one of the lower quality indian re-productions used by a lot of films and re-enactors. The barrel quality, even the teak stocks, are a good representation of the fast production pieces of the 18th-19th century and have more inconsistency in barrel characteristics. You're using a modern gun that has been precision milled and then reamed so the form of that internal cylinder will be incredible. That practice would not have been applied to that degree to most smoothbores which would cost less, could fire shot as well as patched roundball, and were generally more versatile for the average settler. You also have the advantage of using precision measured patching material, swaged or hand-cast lead made with precision cut molds.... Debunking centuries old myths with modern materials is like using rebar and concrete to show how easy it was to make an aqueduct.
@Everythingblackpowder
8 ай бұрын
My friends at 11 bang bang own several Indian made muskets and they have tested them at long ranges and they perform just fine. Maybe you just suck at it?
@davidcahill4670
8 ай бұрын
Got links? @@Everythingblackpowder
@davidcahill4670
8 ай бұрын
Ha! That may very well be. Would you have put a rear sight on something like a repro Potsdam or Brown Bess? I can't see shooting at 180yards with no rear sight and front "blade" that's as wide a my small finger. @@Everythingblackpowder
@WilliamHunterII
Жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha! I love how you ended your video.
@Chiefshadow4
3 ай бұрын
I wonder how a projectile fashioned like a rifled slug would perform. Drag stabilization is pretty amazing in that aspect.
@bigboresledder
Жыл бұрын
I think I will skip making my own dam video and just enjoy your knack for play with a purpose. Thanks!
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel
Жыл бұрын
Think that falls under the bubba lore of yesteryear
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine
Жыл бұрын
It really does bother me how some people who should know better still repeat how smoothbore guns can't hope to hit anything reliably without shot. I've seen those kinds of guys at a loss for words when a chubby and jolly reenactor consistently hits a pie plate at 75yds with unstabilized roundballs, over and over, they can't believe it.
@thomasgellos1732
Жыл бұрын
Good shooting Sir
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@janosbajusz4680
Жыл бұрын
🍻🤘
@Godwh1sperer
Жыл бұрын
As in all disciplines, bros keep regurgitating "facts" no one knows the origins of and no one is factchecking, and when a more inquisitive mind puts it to the test and disproves it... people still go with the hype not to be an oddball. Thank you for being that oddball and putting the myth to bed, like the torso at 180yds, for all who like truth over soundbytes.
@shenyathewelder9695
2 ай бұрын
I've been wanting to get a smooth bore flintlock for some time, it's so versatile and will do pretty much everything I need from a long gun. Small game: yes Medium game: yes Big ass animals that wanna eat me: yes Him: we can only hope he stays away, but a buck and ball will be the call If I wanna play around with unusual loads: all day every day unless it rains. There's really no reason for me to go for a rifle right now when a musket will do everything I'll probably ever need from a gun. I'll probs never get shot at ever again, so that's not really my concern.
@Schrodingers_kid
Жыл бұрын
2:56 Most people fail to realise that a good smoothbore is better than bad rifling
@mattwhite9046
Жыл бұрын
100% agree. It's amazing what can be done with a smoothie. Any chrony data on that 80 gr charge? I have a working theory that smoothbore groups open up right around 50 yards because of going transonic. A spinning rifle ball would be more stable after the transonic "slap" hits it vs a knuckleball out of a smoothie. Just a theory though. I'm curious if that .600 ball is subsonic at the muzzle.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s right at 1000fps
@mattwhite9046
Жыл бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder Fits with my theory then. Thanks.
@user-ut9gr9mn2i
4 ай бұрын
The next time someone said that tell them people had been hunting with smooth bores a lot longer than rifles
@bradnieubuurt3048
Жыл бұрын
I've been following your BP making videos, really enjoy them and been taking notes. Question ❓ have you tried cotton wood for charcoal ❓
@milo8425
Жыл бұрын
Love this channel. Do any of your antiques have a modern twist rate? I'd like to see how those shoot modern bullets or minie balls at 200+.
@lutzderlurch7877
8 ай бұрын
Old style rifling is much slower in terms of twist rate. Modern metal jacketed bullets would not work well and be way heavier than the proper round ball
@bradnieubuurt3048
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching your videos, I really like following the making of BP. Been following that and making notes. Thanks for doing all these great videos. I hope to try my hand at BP making soon. Question ❓ have you tried cotton wood for charcoal?
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
I have not
@r.awilliams9815
Жыл бұрын
I use black cottonwood charcoal, it's very close to willow in performance as far as I can tell and is much easier to find in my area.
@bradnieubuurt3048
Жыл бұрын
@@r.awilliams9815 was wondering, I live in Northern Indiana, cotton wood is easy to come by. Willow is here, but not as easy to come by. Thanks for sharing. Good luck & happy hunting.
@bkauffman0390
Жыл бұрын
I killed 2 deer with my trade gun in 2020, both over 50 yards. This year I had just built a new one and missed a doe at 60 yards or so, but I will say I don't practice with it like I did. I like my rifles and that little thing part ways down the barrel called a rear sight ha. Good shooting, that's impressive.
@Everythingblackpowder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@loquat44-40
Жыл бұрын
I like foxes and so felt sorry for that one. They coyotes are doing a good job of wiping out our grey foxes in northwest florida. But if I had chickens I would singing a difference tune relative to vulpicide.
@georgegooding8207
Жыл бұрын
My smoothbore trade gun doesn't have a rear sight. Makes hitting a little more difficult.
@SPG063
3 ай бұрын
I would like to see a 9x19 smooth bore pistol
@tilasole3252
Жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to see you try this many times and see how often you hit at that distance. Eventually you are going to hit it. The trick is to do it consistently or every few times.
@kirkmorrison6131
Жыл бұрын
When I was doing Rev War I played with my Charveville and got a buck at 120 yards the same distance and placement I would have put it with my Pennsylvania Rifle. I stopped listening to musket experts.
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