Queen Victoria wore only dark purple and other dark colours and heavy fabrics as a teenager. Black was reserved to only mourning people, so she wore other edgy dark colours when girls her age were supposed to wear light and happy colours and light fabrics! So she was a goth, in a way 😂
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
This is the best hot take I’ve read in a while
@brvndxxxn
2 жыл бұрын
So fabulous!
@hillarysudeikis2264
2 жыл бұрын
Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.
@janusnightshade9848
2 жыл бұрын
Well Victorian Goth is a thing.
@iamthekateastrophe4146
2 жыл бұрын
Janus Nightshade That’s primarily because Queen Victoria also spent a significant amount of her reign in mourning - most notably her husband. Her youthful tendency towards dark colours and then later usage of mourning colours did establish a tone of darker colours predominating in fashion through the Victorian period. It’s part of the reason for the notable contrast in the Edwardian period in which light flowing garments became increasingly common for day wear
@plussizestyle
2 жыл бұрын
This video is really neat but my one critique is that the timeline/history DEEPLY needed to acknowledge punk (especially in the late 70s) and goth in the 80s! So fundamental to all of this.
@luciacuevas611
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s kinda where the whole fucking thing comes from
@collapsingnewpunkie
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I enjoy the video and the tips but my favourite decade in terms of aesthetics and alternative fashion is the 80s, so I was kinda disappointed to not hear anything about... yknow, the building blocks of the whole thing
@portofthoughts4477
2 жыл бұрын
I mean, that's what happens when "the cool kids" take the counter culture's ideas: they claim them as original ideas 😂
@luciacuevas611
2 жыл бұрын
@@portofthoughts4477 word
@andreja9425
2 жыл бұрын
as someone who is very involved in alternative culture and fashion this video felt very very surface level and inauthentic. I’d rather people just stick to their own lanes rather than trying to cover everything when they clearly don’t know what they’re talking about. Like imagine this girl trying doing an accurate, informed or credible read on the development of streetwear/rap fashion aesthetics. It would not work, so why does she feel emboldened to try and cover this? Im not trying to hate or anything, all fashion is a reflection of who we are and this isn’t who she is and that’s okay, but she should stick to what she knows
@raqefet.a.yedidia
2 жыл бұрын
Dear Ellie-Jean, It is so refreshing to see a Kibbe body type analyses that don't take this system as a must, as an axiom, but as a basis for conforming and non-conforming style options and all in between (as you've shown in other episodes too, e.g. Pamela Anderson and more). For my long time experience with trying to conform to such a system (a season color palette), in between my teenage punk style and old age (hahaha) goth style, I may testify that those are never to be taken seriously and preferably taken with a pinch of salt. Develop your own personality and personal style, be original and most importantly, try to always feel "in your own skin" no matter what a certain system tells you to do. Cheers!
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! You phrased this so well! I am so glad this is what you have taken away from my channel ☺️☺️☺️
@hillarysudeikis2264
2 жыл бұрын
Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.
@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195
Жыл бұрын
I’m curious, I keep seeing people commenting how content creators are deterministic with Kibbe and use it as rules more than guidelines- do you have any such example of a creator? Id like to hear it cause I never saw anyone treating it in that way, but besides Ellie Jean I follow only few more creators and none of them do it
@raqefet.a.yedidia
Жыл бұрын
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 There are some content creators out there that are more strict with the system of David Kibbe. I don't want to name and shame, but the system itself is far more deterministic than, for instance, John Kitchener's system of essences' blend. That being said, my main concern when writing what I've written was mainly regarding the way content consumers will adopt those. Trying hard to find your identity and enjoy a sense of belonging to a certain group, a structured system such as that can lead to a far more deterministic approach than intended by the creator of the system at the time it was created. Such strict adherence may eventually lead not to finding your true self and living up to your full potential, but to narrow yourself down, or worse, to a self-deprecation. As those are not science and when the creators of those systems themselves retype certain people, trying hard to adhere to any such system may well result in incorrect typing to begin with, so....
@teganufer
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very helpful as a "cute" soft gamine with a gothic fashion style.
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
Aw this is great! Glad you found this helpful ☺️
@missingspot
2 жыл бұрын
same!
@hillarysudeikis2264
2 жыл бұрын
Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.
@_kikizaman_
Жыл бұрын
From what you just described, you must be thrilled with Jenna Ortegas Wednesday!!! She’s a soft gamine who plays into that darker side, and damn does she do it well.
@sadie7787
Жыл бұрын
Seeing Winona Ryder vs Cindy Crawford finally made it click why I never feel as “cool” in oversized fits, they actually just suit me and look effortless
@necromancerdancer1480
2 жыл бұрын
Soft Natural Billie Eilish didn't look intimidating or good in the Gamine style, it just looked messy and childish. I think Soft Naturals look edgy when they compromise on 1 of their accomodations, so a SN like Billie imo would look edgy if she just catered to her width and not curves (so FN) or catered to curves and not width (SD).
@LexiLadonna
2 жыл бұрын
Oh man as a soft dramatic with edgy style I was really hoping you’d have something to say on the topic but my type was the only type not really addressed in this video. But I get why, there are very few good examples. I’ve spent my whole life trying to figure out how to look edgy but still respect my lines and you’re right, it’s not easy and it’s not the way the other types do it. I think the secret is in a lot of ways our type on its own quite edgy or intimidating. I used to try to mix in a lot of gamine punk styles and it was very unflattering for whole entire looks, but now I find that if I lean harder into the soft dramatic type I look more intimidating. I would say the distressed thing is also correct. Perfectly following our lines but in darker colors makes us look very put together, diva-esqe, and maybe even unapproachable which is on its own intimidating. Adding in a distressed element (like messy makeup or ripped tights) to that really sends it into edgy territory. There are still some gamine elements in there, like fishnet shirts under my dresses or chokers, but just a very little bit and overall I find that the more soft dramatic I dress, the edgier it is as long as style wise I bring in a lot of punk reminiscent elements, like black and leather and fishnet.
@rory9587
2 жыл бұрын
It seems so difficult to find soft dramatic content in general. The outfit examples generally nice but are either from the 1950's or for older women, and I'm in college, I want to dress like I'm in college. However, I'm absolutely all for dressing like Taylor Momsen, so I guess I'll go with that.
@vbnrfys
Жыл бұрын
love the way you describe how hard it is for a soft dramatic to look 'edgier'. To try looking more goth or punk or rock, those styles still require a woman to look cute in her darkness I think. Dramatics, FN and SD send a different vibe, a much more masculine kind of power or edge. How could we look super cute and smallish when we're basically taller than half of the guys around us? Us SD already ARE intimidating in our strong diva essence. :D My tips on how to look edgy and still embrace the tall curvy woman vibes I send to the world: Makeup & hair * dyed my hair black * my hair is long and sleek, so I made it an advantage and they look like a long black curtain that contrasts with my chunky cheeks and lips and bold eyes * either a natural makeup with emphasized brows and 2 layers of mascara or * a thick black winged eyeliner AND smokey eyes at once to emphasize that contrast even more * sometimes a deep red lip too Clothing 'rules' * not just pure black clothes but also dark forest green, ruby red, dark aubergine, deep navy, charcoal grey, and for contrast bright red and pure white, neutral tan (the color of your skin) * use color blocks - combine neutrals with red, or combine neutrals with ONE of the 'more colorful' colors like deep green, navy, aubergine * materials like leather, cashmere, denim, satin, lace, suede * for prints, a schoolgirl-vibe diamond print or b&w leopard print * lines must be contransting, include both skinny and chunky, hugging the body and a bit of separates Outfits * a little washed-out, charcoal grey oversized metal band t-shirt, tucked into hig waisted skinny jeans, black leather belt with metallic ornamemt buck, black leather boots kind of like Dr. Martens that can be chunky in vertical lines (a platform, not heels) fitting the narrowness of the feet and ankles, a relaxed black leather jacket, cropped below the waist, a kind of rocker style, uneven hem, some fussy details like multiple zippers * matte leggings, very oversized tan croptop, oversized white cropped puffer jacket, dr. Martens and a smaller bun on top of the head, black thin cotton bag with logo/print * off shoulders black long sleeve top, black high waisted tight leather miniskirt, black suede boots that cover calfs or even overknee boots, big heavy at least knee- long charcoal grey smoothly fitting wool coat with fur around the neck and wrists, leather gloves * black fitting tank top, low waisted slightly oversized tan cargo pants in thick cotton cut similarly as mumjeans, chains, Dr. Martens * menswear - black high-waisted jeans or charcoal grey wide leg flowy pants, oversized black jacket with angular shoulder pads and slightly longer hemline, tight fitting white tee with round neckline, white sneakers, gold hoops, a rectangle notebook bag * dark mini turtleneck dress hugging the curves, black harness on top, high booties (overknee or lower ones with sexy stockings that have this 'I am wearing overknee socks' feel) * white long sleeve body with scoop neckline, harness, red A-line diamond print miniskirt, sexy stockings, Dr.Martens, long black&red nails * black&white leopard turtleneck, black high waisted skinny jeans, soft suede black cropped jacket lined with black fur, sharp pointed outline booties, red lipstick * white blouse with a deep heart neckline and long sharp puffed sleeves, charcoal grey ripped skinny jeans, Dr Martens * black lace brallete top, wide leg flowy charcoal grey pants, red lips, wet hair style, long earrings, sharp stilletos, a soft black fur to hug around shoulders, metallic bag Maybe it's just me but I feel super edgy & powerful and yet feminine in this kind of clothing
@gingersal8052
Жыл бұрын
@@vbnrfys great advice! Marina from Marina and the diamonds is a SD I think and she sometimes dresses with an edgy vibe.
@evavitina6445
Жыл бұрын
This is perfect, I love your point about leaning into your type to emphasize it. I noticed your section was the shortest but as a classic I also feel let down. My inner style is much more flamboyant natural but looks horrible on me and so I try to incorporate classic lines and I do get a lot of compliments. But the suggestions here were so, so, so boring. Now I am wondering if perhaps as the other barely covered type I should also lean into my type by wearing extremely well tailored clothes...
@marissashea5103
Жыл бұрын
@rory9587 honestly it really does get exhausting finding a video that says "the secret to soft dramatics" and then the whole video is about some old Holly wood stuff or Sofia Vergara (love her but don't enjoy her style). I don't want to be trendy but I also don't want to wear peplum tops and heavy jewelry
@FlyingDubja
2 жыл бұрын
Your videos have helped me so much. I’ve been battling disordered eating since I was a young teen. Your videos have helped me disconnect from the idea that I need to look a certain way to dress how I want. I always wondering why I didn’t look like other beautiful people while wearing the clothes they were wearing. Now I know that I am just as gorgeous as those people, I just wasn’t dressing with my kibbe type in mind; nor was I dressing for the effect I wanted. Thank you so much! Keep on kicking ass!
@LaceyMyriah
Жыл бұрын
How lovely to read! Learning about Kibbe helped me a lot with my eating disorder and self image too!
@stellashepherd3229
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that you say promiscuity is a defining feature because when I dress in ways that feel edgy to me I’m more feeling that yes, I’m a very sexual being but don’t touch. It makes me feel strong and independent. It seems like Jo Marsh was the same way.
@Kira_Martel
2 жыл бұрын
This was exactly my feeling as a punk ace teenager. 💜🤍🖤 Very much "this is not for you."
@dianathomas2674
Жыл бұрын
It was about this part I stopped watching. These "edgy" subcultures, as punk, grunge, goth and so forth, were an expression of the opposite and a voice against the obvious promiscuity and superficiality in the music and film industries, and society as a whole. Although outsiders of these cultures would maybe have this type of interpretation, promiscuity is absolutely not included in the description of these subcultures, but political thought, creativity and intelligence -to some degree. These started as an external expression of internal thoughts and feelings, usually as a political protest, but are now copied as an external style by mainstream people without understanding.
@stellashepherd3229
Жыл бұрын
@@dianathomas2674 Agreed! Thank you for putting it so well.
@stellashepherd3229
Жыл бұрын
@@Kira_Martel Yes! I so get that. 😊
@MsAdlerHolmes
Жыл бұрын
Man...I spent 20 minutes waiting for you to get to SD and you spent, like, one minute on it and showed one picture of Christina Hendricks in a slightly faded chambray shirt, looking like a PTA mum.
@justinehelene4831
2 жыл бұрын
I think Zoe Kravitz is a good example of flamboyant gamine who looks edgy quite frequently and, I think, is so beautiful but intimidating in her look. So some flam gams seem to be very naturally 'edgy' to me? Because they have a lot of angularity. I would think any type that has a dramatic element pulls off edgy quite easily : )
@kk-cr4db
2 жыл бұрын
I think its mostly because of her face
@5050TM
Жыл бұрын
Fka Twigs too.
@M4R3B34R
2 жыл бұрын
most of the body types described all look pretty similar in this video... Slim and white 😞 Really can't tell how I'm supposed to tell the difference.
@elizabethmacneice8423
2 жыл бұрын
as a soft classic with alternative style i’ve been struggling to figure this out for my whole life as i’ve always felt I’ve looked like a caricature when i dress more gothic. as there’s so little info about soft classics online, this was so helpful, thank you!!
@Kaybye555
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, we need for info and attention on Classics
@Hanakow
2 жыл бұрын
As a classic, I agree!
@hillarysudeikis2264
2 жыл бұрын
Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.
@blondie9909
2 жыл бұрын
Im a dramatic classic and used to be really into looking goth/grunge now i im more flexible with how edgy i want to look and have found its easier to look cooler and still look edgy . Just the other day i had a black mini skirt and black top just very plain and simple really clean lines, put on a white oversized shirt with black vertical like brush strokes (kinda wider lines , but not too much , again the whole moderate patterns thing) and it looked really cool especially with my black heart shaped sunglasses and then a deep muted red lipstick that kinda matches my hair and i have never felt so good about how i looked ! Even the pics were all really cool and i am the opposite of photogenic so i guess this whole kibbe thing really helped me out
@catacombskull
2 жыл бұрын
@@blondie9909 aigjt girl but we need pics cuz imagination bad, do you maybe have instagram? Also me as a sc I just wear whatever n hope it doesnt look like a total disaster n w makeup I cant wear dark eyeshadow or even put it under my eyes since that just makes me look cheap so all I can do is eyeliner💀
@weronikalinda4917
2 жыл бұрын
Do I have any interest in making my style more edgy? No. Did I watch the video anyway? Yes.
@twobluestripes
2 жыл бұрын
For the 1800s era, during first wave feminism in the Western world, we had the “Rational Dress Movement”, also known as dress reform, which was focused on practically and comfort, and left a legacy of simplifying women’s sportswear. They were also primarily responsible for a lot of the myths about corsets at the time, bad information which still persists today. Proponents of this movement were also linked to progressive-era movements such as women’s suffrage, the temperance movement, abolishing slavery, and “moral purity”, and thought that by changing women’s clothes (primarily white women who were middle class and up) radically away from current/previous fashions, they could completely change women’s role in society and that society as a whole would benefit. (You can definitely hear the echoes of the Puritan movements of the 1600s here!) A related movement, more about the clothes and promoted by artists rather than societal activists, was the Artistic Dress movement, which was first made famous by the artists of the Pre-Raphaelite brotherhood. These men and women, who were also part of the Arts and Crafts design movement which was itself a rejection of mass production/industrialism, were inspired by ideals, art, methods, and materials they associated with the Medieval and Renaissance times. In everything they made, they were espousing simplicity, old fashioned (by hand) craftsmanship, natural colors and high quality materials, and everything was about this aesthetic as a symbol of a more simple and natural way to live and create things. In women’s clothes especially, it was a rejection of even basic fashion, and may have appeared costumey (like most things artists do, it was definitely seen as a bit eccentric/alternative, even as they were all moderately successful in their careers). Men’s clothes were included as well but as their styles didn’t change as quickly, I get the impression that there wasn’t so much of a difference in style to be something that really drew the attention of mainstream society the way the women’s gowns did. This later evolved into the Aesthetic Dress movement, which retained the elements of simplicity of line/construction in clothes, and use of high quality fabrics, and motifs from nature and earlier centuries, but was also a rejection of the Rational Dress movement’s adherence to total practically in clothing and association with morality. Aesthetic Dress was about treating clothes as an art form, an integration of artistic ideals into everyday life, and as something to provide sensuous pleasure and beauty. It was adopted by many bohemian and artist types of the last two decades on the 1800s, and incorporated global influences on silhouettes and fabrics (like from east Asian dress styles) in addition to more nostalgic or old-fashioned silhouettes and hand-work, and could be quite eccentric and showy. This included the men’s fashions; think Oscar Wilde! Definitely “alternative”! It’s quite interesting that through history, alternative statements against mainstream fashion could be either a rejection of a focus on how clothes look, or an embrace of how clothes can look that pushes the boundaries, or both! But in all cases, the clothes were a statement to the world about the wearer’s values and the way of life. No matter how much we would like to not be judged by how we look, and make an effort ourselves to “not judge a book by it’s cover”, fashion choices and how we look is a message, a form of communication we have with all who see us, so it’s good to be able to understand and feel like we have some control over the statements are making!
@elysabethf1644
2 жыл бұрын
This is really cool to know! Is there any websites/books that you’d recommend to learn more about the history of western fashion?
i think she meant that it "looks" restricting. not literally and physically restricting. more like how it appears more restricting rather than flowy styles
@sandidavis2428
2 жыл бұрын
Your research is disappointing. Theda Bara - arguably the first goth, a "vamp, " was in films in the 1910s and early 1920s, not the 30s and 40s. Also, a lot of the "edgy" or "alternative" looks really have roots in the 70s glam rock and late-70s through the late-80s punk movement, and the early 80s New Romantics--it's really shocking that you skipped those altogether. The 90s Grunge craze was only the main-streaming of a look that many were rocking in the previous two decades. The 70s and 80s punks WERE actually intimidating, because they were expressing their anger at and disdain for mainstream society--actual rebellion, not the costume of rebellion-for-the-day.
@mitzimadness4548
2 жыл бұрын
Your fashion history information is incorrect and contains harmful misinformation. While some of what you say is based in truth, you are talking about stereotypes of these eras rather than the actual events. Please do actual in depth research, or avoid historical misinformation and jump into the content. Many people think this type of misinformation is not a big deal, and it's only clothes. However, the way people express themselves communicates a lot about the sociopolitical issues of a time, and is a very serious area of study for many historians. Your overview uses movies approximations of fashion prior to the 20th century, rather than actual depictions (like the portrait of anne lister, or the images of women in masculine dress from pre 20th century history). Also, you cover somewhat small but well remembered subcultures as if they were what everyone was wearing. Overall, the history of subculture, alternativeness, and, what it means to go against culture has a long and in depth history that you could have summarized without misinformation, or referred the audience to a fun and entertaining video from one of the many degree holding fashion historians on youtube. Please be conscious of your platform so people understand the actual history. I will now go over some corrections to things you said in the video, based on my research. I am a hobbyist, I do not have a degree, so please fact check everything I say: Pre 20th century: You refer to modern movie depictions, only one of which is very accurate, of what people wore. You refer to corsets as restrictive, which they weren't. Working women wore them, and they were more similar to the Bras of today. The extreme silhouettes we see are often touched up with paint or ink on top of photography, achieved through padding and illusion, or are just drawings that don't represent necessarily what people actually looked like. The myths about corsets being bad for your health were spread by victorian doctors, who still believed in things like humors and female hysteria. There are many accounts of this not being true. Of course rich and famous people probably wore tight laced corsets for fashion, but this is a practice that is still upheld by the rich and famous today, even surgically. You also say that you don't know if masculine fashion existed, while citing a show based on an actual person. By the way, Anne Lister wears stays in the show, and they do not impede her. (poorly fitted and poorly constructed corsets are reported to cause pain on movie sets, but that is a separate issue) You entirely skipped the 1910s and teens, which had many alternative fashions and were a major transitional period. This was a missed opportunity 1920s: The dress styles did become straighter, and curves were hidden, but it was because of french revival fashions and appropriations of historical and cultural dress less so than empowerment, in my opinion. Flappers were an edgy, outrageous subculture, and not at all mainstream. 30s and 40s: You combined two decades with two distinct events that had a major impact on fashion in dramatically different ways. Many, many fashion subcultures existed during this time, lipstick sales soared (look up the lipstick effect), and because america was cut off from french fashion due to the 1940s war, american fashion designers saw newfound success and the american fashion industry actually grew in many ways. With rationing, wartime style was more thrifty, but certainly a very big deal. You do not bring up any actual alternative subcultures, like jazz, teddy girls, or folk, to name some more prevalent ones. Pinup fashion is not a good depiction of fashion and more of a depiction of male fantasy. 1950s: Leather jackets have existed in american fashion since the 1920s at the very least, when the first leather jackets sold for fashion in the US to become popular emerged. However, there are leather hunting jackets that go back to the 1700s as practical use items after one brief skim of my favorite fashion history timeline textbook. The "greaser" look was actually a depiction of a working class person, not necessarily a fashion statement until a bit later. The greaser style was based on what poor, trouble making, men wore. In this way, it is an interesting subculture, but I feel you did not represent what it actually was when you say it was popularized by movie stars. Grease is the 1980s perception of 1950s teen fashion, and does not actually do a great job of depicting accurate fashion. It's use as a reference is not credible. Your descriptions of later time periods are heavily oversimplified, but it is good that you make sure people know that the stuff you mention is subculture rather than mainstream. Alternative means not mainstream. If everything we wear is alternative, nothing is. However, neo-aestheticism is on the rise (look up victorian aestheticism for historical context, there's a good video on youtube too), and many people belong to small, alternative fashion niches. I feel like this section could be better thought out. Being alternative was never JUST style, it's culture, financial situation, music, and more.
@laurakissthechef4674
2 жыл бұрын
How is Billie Eilish not a romantic? Everything from her round facial features, rounded shoulders, short limbs... Have you seen her in her boudour shoot? To me she is so similiar to Emilia Clarke with a little higher body fat percentage.
@lucyk2634
5 ай бұрын
I didn't see Billie for a long time but as I remember she have quite big bones, especially in upper part, shoulders, ribs and arms. Much bigger than a romantic could ever have. I understand shortness confuses you but you should just compare it to her head, then you will see... Romantics have quite bigger head in comparison to their body (and bone structure), but Billie have much bigger bone structure than her head.
@bodyofhope
2 жыл бұрын
This makes complete sense bc I believe I'm a gamine, but I usually dress more masculine, and it gives off the edgy vibe I'm going for. On the flip side, when I dress in more classic apparel, I look very formal without trying. Now I know why! But if I try wearing many accessories, or a lot of makeup, I look a hot mess. I do look great with short hair like you said, and when I grow out my hair, I give off a whimsical hippy look which I'm into lol. Just now learning about this. But I think as we age, and our shapes and weight distribution changes a bit, it's probably more difficult for ppl to figure out what they are.
@haniem1137
2 жыл бұрын
Video in short: wear things that are not recommended for your body type to look edgy
@rottenbutterfly9675
2 жыл бұрын
Why did you exclude 80s Goth?
@sierraking3171
2 жыл бұрын
I believe I’m a very petite romantic with ingénue essence, but I typically bring in contradictory elements to make me seem more dramatic or seem taller, similar to what Kate would do. I loved Taylor Ms styles and her look in Gossip girl was definitely essential in my young inspiration
@essenceocean595
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, I have the same body type and essence as you and was wondering what things you do to look edgier while still maintaining ur figure. I like cropped/fitted leather jackets, black belts with silver/metal details, combat boots,
@sierraking3171
2 жыл бұрын
@@essenceocean595 I definitely love leather jackets and skirts or items with chains, buckles, studs, patches, or rips, I love mesh dresses/tops and will wear a statement bra underneath, I used to be only silver as a teen but the last few years I’ve been incorporating gold and rose gold metals. I have a huge platform shoe collection too
@essenceocean595
2 жыл бұрын
@@sierraking3171 ur seriously edgy! I could never pull off the statement bra under mesh. And Ive also recently been getting into gold as well. Small world
@sierraking3171
2 жыл бұрын
@@essenceocean595 It’s definitely out of my comfort zone but I like that about it. Also for pulling more of my romantic feminine elements I love satin or silk dresses and skirts, off the shoulder tops and sleeves with details like ribbons or puffy sleeves (almost regency or cottage style) I hope this helps!
@essenceocean595
2 жыл бұрын
@@sierraking3171 Definitely! Thanks for taking the time to share with me :)
@mika3395
2 жыл бұрын
the body type sections were good and can be helpful but unfortunately the "alternative history" part was inaccurate and lacking .. most of it was dedicated to mainstream things that wouldnt be considered alternative, while not even mentioning punk or subsequent goth which are the most important and influential alternative subcultures. also i would definitely touch on the political and the music aspects of subcultures esp when talking abt punk and goth as they are very importnt and the fashion comes after that. the mainstream nowadays often tries to take inspiration from goth without understanding it or punk that influenced the birth of goth, so i think when talking on such subjects u shouldnt leave out the most vital parts
@rosea2350
Жыл бұрын
I’m ultra feminine but when I want to feel “edgy” I wear black or dark red vampire inspired clothes. My body type is romantic so I think it fits.
@lolaevergreen9077
2 жыл бұрын
Being plus sized this just left me super confused and I have no idea what body type I would be. I also tried to picture all of these on larger bodies, but it's very difficult.
@tiffanyblack8755
2 жыл бұрын
Aly Art has a test you can take on her channel. Also there's sub-types. Mine wasn't included but the idea of this video seems to be about how to manipulate styles not traditionally flattering and make them work in the way you wish 🫶
@mariayoung7891
2 жыл бұрын
Your kibbe body type stays the same regardless of your weight, so there aren't necessarily 'plus sized' Kibbe types. Weight will collect in a different way for each type and your weight hold patterns can actually aid you in determining your type. I see this comment way made a while ago so I hope in the time since you were able to find some resources that have helped you on your Kibbe type journey xx
@xnyroxchannel
2 жыл бұрын
Measure urself and see which shape fits those the best, luck!
@Poppykat9866
2 жыл бұрын
@@xnyroxchannel FYI, Kibbe has nothing to do with measurements per se, but rather the effect of different aspects of the body in relationship to each other in one person, bone length and thickness, the way flesh rests on the bones, where weight accumulates, how all of these work together to present a certain perception of either yin (soft, rounded, short) and yang (sharp, square, long), and all the combinations in between.
@evemorgan1318
Жыл бұрын
There is a channel called Rose coloured glasses. She did a video on this topic
@b-u5136
2 жыл бұрын
I think Kate Moss is the real meaning of effortless edgy style
@bic00
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a romantic but I've never really been into the traditional romantic look (flowers, drapes etc) and light colours, especially being a winter. It doesn't mean I dress edgy all the time but what you said about contradicting the lines is true! If I wear straight lined, flat clothes, I definitely get the edgy look.
@Tsili-Walela
2 жыл бұрын
Loved this and very helpful. I hope you are planning one for each “how to look more ______”. I’m drawn to a little of the romantic, a little natural and are neither of those.
@spacebar9733
2 жыл бұрын
you didn't finish your comment 😝 but yes i definitely agree, I have the most conventionally masculine body type in kibbe but my style is hyperfem :( but hearing them feminine fabrics can make me look edgy is really nice, because I love looking simultaneously edgy.
@Tsili-Walela
2 жыл бұрын
Fumble fingers accidentally posted before finishing.
@byggrynsgroet
2 жыл бұрын
"very restrictive corsets" bernadette banner, abby cox, morgan donner & co wants to have a word with you.
@casymichelle4581
2 жыл бұрын
as an edgy flamgam myself, i have to say i entirely disagree about it being hard for us to look edgy. i mean, look at Liza Minnelli, Debbie Harry, or Emma Roberts as Madison Montgomery. i think that combining broken lines, some natural silhouettes, and generally details that can be construed as "edgy" is an excellent way to channel the edgy style. also flamboyant gamines can pull off dark and bold eye makeup very easily. the advice you gave to soft gamines applies to flamboyant gamines as well, so i'm a little disappointed that your section on flamboyant gamines felt so limited. further, even looking at the verified flamgams only, there are a lot of women with very strong features that are not at all cutesy or costumey. sure, the look didn't suit Zooey Deschanel very well, but there are absolutely flamboyant gamines who wear the style well. this is a great video overall, don't get me wrong, i just was expecting a little more from the section on my type.
@caladielz
2 жыл бұрын
I think as a video that covers all body types, we all tend to think our own was not covered enough. I'm a soft gamine, and I feel like my type is definitely harder than FG, which for me she also didn't cover enough xD
@Androgynary
2 жыл бұрын
FG too and yeah, I’d agree that dressing “edgy” is one of the easiest things to pull off personally. Even the way David Kibbe describes FG’s in Metamorphosis translates pretty seamlessly to an edgy style. For example: - “youthfully bold and brassy essence” - “Innately, you are Yang in energy (aggressive and dynamic), Yin in youthfulness (fresh).” - “The underlying theme for your appearance is: "Rules were made to be broken!" - “This is the best way for the world to see your totally unique combination of wit, fire, zest, and spunk.”
@m.aj11
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! FGs are the epitome of effortless edginess, it's in their very essence. She mentions FGs in lace and corsets as looking like wearing costumes: stuff that is anathema for us and that FGs should avoid like a plague anyway. What is edgy if not FGs in their recommended clothes: ankle boots, cuffed boyfriend jeans and tee with a bold print with a dash of our usual bold makeup (be it accentuated eyes or lips) and tousled hair, I ask you!? 🤭🤘💀
@tojadmordownik
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... She lost me at that. FG here and I'm THE EPITOME of "edgy", vampiric, dark and extravagant! Biker jackets & contrasting cute dresses, heavy boots, bold jewellery, messy hair in all colours, dark smokey eyes or black winged eyeliner - how is that not edgy?? Zoe Kravitz, Lily Rose Depp, Gwen Stefani, Lisa Bonnet and other iconic FGs - not edgy? Really? I mean... Bish, please.😏
@mynameisreallycool1
Жыл бұрын
Poppy might also be a flamboyant gamine as well (I could be wrong though), and she wears a lot of edgy outfits. I think she's a great example of someone who pulls it off effortlessly as well.
@UltraViolet666
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a TR that has always dressed edgy, and couldn't necessarily describe how. But now I see how (the mixed textures and patterns in particular) and i agree with what you've said for romantics also applying to TR. You've pretty much nailed everything and it's a much deeper look at edgy than I've seen anywhere else!
@cleocarrot2344
2 жыл бұрын
great tips as always, thank you! a soft natural with ingénue essence here, trying so hard to not be perceived as “a laid back girl next door, playing costume with her edgy sister’s wardrobe”
@elisap8671
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a soft classic too and I tried a grunge edgy look in my early high school years.. I looked like... well, shit 😂 Great video by the way, very informative!
@lapetitepoire5
2 жыл бұрын
Ditto. *Everyone* was grunge in my early high school years. It never really worked for me to go edgy (Soft Classic here) but I wore plaid flannel shirts and jeans basically every day for YEARS.
@elisap8671
2 жыл бұрын
@@lapetitepoire5 yes!! Doc Martens and heavy makeup lol. My best friend looked so good in it tho..
@CarpeDMOfficial
2 жыл бұрын
I wish there would have been more for soft dramatics. Especially since it’s at the end of the video.
@diyab1056
2 жыл бұрын
As a Winter and Romantic, I've never tried dressing edgy because it doesn't look natural for me. Most of my clothes are ultra feminine. But this inspired me to try. Edit: Oh wait, scratch that. In my profile pic I dressed edgy. I wore red lipstick, black eyeshadow and all black tight leggings, round black boots and fluffy gloves :p
@MileinaJuarez
2 жыл бұрын
What we see today as alternative is deeply rooted in goth. In the very late 70s and the early til mid 80s that style was defined through music. Look at what people would wear in the batcave for example. For me though I listen to goth music it was always too rigid. So you’re right, everyone needs to find their own style, that fits their type. I am naturally blonde and have blue/green eyes but my skin tone is warm, nothing cool about me. So, I have to wear gold jewelry, silver washes me out. I exclusively wear black, I tried some colors but it just isn’t me. I think , I only truly knew my own style around 26 honestly and now enjoy fashion. When I was a teenager my body type wasn’t in, so I just felt wrong and uninterested in fashion. Now I need to find out my type.
@mcorrales87
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a soft natural that just cut off her long waves into a blunt bob. I was a little concerned that I was going against what I've discovered works well for me and I feel comfortable and confident with, but I just realized I'm simply stepping into my edgy phase and I'm ready. Thanks for helping me figure that out lol
@collapsingnewpunkie
2 жыл бұрын
3:37 girl u skipped the 80s.... There was a lot of batshit alt fashion going on there, goth had just been reborn as we know it in the late 70s so trad goth was going on, not to mention new romantic styles and just the overall dated kitsch of 80s aesthetics
@reflastori
2 жыл бұрын
Ohhh i need a video like this but for boho styles pleeease 😅
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
I will add this to my list!!
@tony7787
2 жыл бұрын
But Rihanna is the most iconic and edgy Theatrical romantic! Sad you didn't use her as a reference, I was looking forward to hearing more about that as a TR. We are often overlooked and lumped in with pure romantics.
@bonniemasterjohn5440
2 жыл бұрын
I agree! It should be easier to make a TR look edgy, not more difficult. Also, I disagree that winters are rare, and they are not all dark, as a matter of fact they make the best high contrast champagne blondes (and lighter) of any season.
@YearOnACloud
2 жыл бұрын
I thought she was a SD? I'm not sure anymore
@tony7787
2 жыл бұрын
@@YearOnACloud no, I'm pretty sure she's a TR
@Kimmie9553
2 жыл бұрын
@@tony7787 she’s like 5’8” or 5’9”, the cut off for TR is 5’5” so she can’t be
@tony7787
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kimmie9553 Well she was typed by Kibbe himself 🤷. Also Beyonce is about 5'7 and is typed as a romantic, so idk how flexible the rules are.
@ibanez856
2 жыл бұрын
Er you totally skipped over British Punk of the 80’s 😭
@user-tu6wz3uq8z
2 жыл бұрын
I love this video, but I wish there was more info for the soft dramatic :/ there has to be more for us to work with for an edgy look
@ifetayodavidson-cade5613
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe in accessories and details? Studs, leather belted longline coat, ornate& scary jewelry?
@olgaparush
2 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree a bit with you about SN. Im the one, and i 'll tell you, baggy or funny clothes doesn't look edgy on me at all. Idk, maybe it is what you mean by edgy. For me its definitely 90s Winona Ryder and Nirvana's kind of vibe. What I've learned, if i pull on dark flowery midi skirt with martens and a soft leather jacket (mine is brown) then it actually looks quite edgy and cool for me and still in harmony with SN lines. But, again, it depends on personal preferences :) Thanks a lot for your thoughts!
@rebeccajordan4491
2 жыл бұрын
Zoe Kravitz is a great example of edgy FG.
@LaceyMyriah
Жыл бұрын
She’s my go-to style example!
@viktoriaregis6645
2 жыл бұрын
Punk was the most edgy you could be during the second half of the 70ths and far into the 80ths. During the 80ths "depprock" a'la Joan Jett was also quite edgy. A little bit forecoming the goth style.
@i_ate_an_ant
Жыл бұрын
I would really love to see an analysis of each body type for plus-sized women so we can understand how the system works on larger bodies
@solskjaerharsetnok3565
2 жыл бұрын
How did you completely skip punk in the timeline?!
@tish12345
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always! Can you do a video for looking feminine for each body type? I'm a flamboyant gamine and it's hard for me to find things to wear for events like school dances or late night outs.
@WearItMilano
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a stylist creating videos in the same niche and i can tell I LOVED THIS VIDEO especially for the completely unusual point of view you approached this topic!! Not talking about the casual silhouettes but regrouping them. Huge thumbs up! 😊
@Ryanneey
2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting concept. I think a good example of the dissonance you spoke of is demonstrated in Ashley Simpson when she was attempting to look edgy. It never seemed to work for her.
@nekori_adrian
2 жыл бұрын
I wanna critique that you are simplifying alternative fashion as “edgy” However, we can’t forget lolita, decora kei, yami kawaii are also alternative fashion even if they aren’t exactly the typical edgy. They are delicate or neon or pastel and that’s just so beautiful about alternative fashion. There’s so much more to it and I would’ve preferred if you addressed that or didn’t use “alternative fashion” and “edgy” interchangeably
@KristenLopezArt
2 жыл бұрын
Your descriptions are spot on! I must be gamine because long dresses make me pop.. I'm so glad I finally started wearing them after years of hearing that they will only make me "look short"
@Thisisabunny
2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are jumping in quality! Keep it up! Also, I was wondering if you knew much about how to identify personal color palettes (i.e. Seasonal colors)?
@missmillienettleton
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more videos like this for different style trends; like 90's fashion / normcore/ classic etc. I think I'm a soft natural but i really like androdygnous fashion for example - I would love to know how to play into that style while still flattering my body type :) thanks so much!
@karendi9379
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid BUT, you forgot about the badgyal Rihanna. imo she’s the quintessential edgy TR.
@mariannegirao8135
2 жыл бұрын
I'm excited to a "how to look more ..." series ❤️
@fabioderossi1097
Жыл бұрын
I'm a soft natural, but I like looking edgy without boxy shapes so I can still show off my curves and femininity. Is there any way you could go into a little more detail on how to look edgy in different ways?
@truffaut650truffaut6
8 ай бұрын
Go to Emily Wheately
@lluviaperez-rick9072
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I do wish you had touched more on the soft dramatic body type 🥺💔
@Essentialoiling
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I was watching for the DC content. I’m DC and a dark winter. I feel like I look like I’m playing at classic or playing at romantic if I don’t have some Yang elements. Ellie did make one suggestion that stuck with me, I do look edgy if I respect my lines but wear lace. But I need more than this. lol
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
If you want my opinion on your body type, you can view my services at bodyandstyle.com :) xx
@tdsollog
2 жыл бұрын
I saw Taylor Momson & The Pretty Reckless perform over the weekend. She was definitely doing the edgy look. 🖤
@tanishqavishwakarma9151
2 жыл бұрын
Priyanka Chopra is soft dramatic
@missknisely
Жыл бұрын
Lol me watching as a soft dramatic waiting for my turn like Oh. 👁️👄👁️ Apparently there are no edgy soft dramatics. whelp.
@MoreGoneNahhh
2 жыл бұрын
This video like many others further proves that being a Classic sucks. It's either dress like the Kennedys or look ridiculous.
@idkwhatsmynamelol9281
2 жыл бұрын
ikr :(
@hudadouglas63
Жыл бұрын
Abby cox is a great KZitemr who explains a lot about the history of women’s fashion.
@kasiekk193
2 жыл бұрын
Could you talk about short hair on all body types, especially the tall ones? :)
@katestark2519
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your content around all this, but I do have to say that this is all really difficult to translate to plus sized bodies in theory, and even harder to translate to actually putting a wardrobe together. I have fun watching, but honestly it becomes kind of painful when I think about trying to apply any of this to my body.
@iwant2rob
2 жыл бұрын
Theda bara and the vamp style was from the 1910s and 20s not the 40s
@laaibahshahriar3473
2 жыл бұрын
oh my days you don't understanddd how much i love taylor momsen she can literally step on me set me on fire throw me off a cliff idc the pretty reckless are one of the best rock bands out there
@darienne2554
2 жыл бұрын
Hi I love your video but can you use more black women or women of color?? I’m just trying to visualize myself in your video as well
@colochossalvajes
2 жыл бұрын
I am very frustrated with my Kibbe body type because I thought I was a soft natural or a softer dramatic but I went to Reddit and some people told me that I look soft natural some said soft dramatic, dramatic some said flamboyant natural I’ve been typed soft gamine also been told romantic or theatrical romantic so it’s very very confusing for me. I’m leaning more to Yang frame types, but my whole combination my height and all that really throws me off. So I’m honestly very frustrated.
@kay123kay
2 жыл бұрын
Personally, when I stopped factoring in my actual height, or telling others what my height was, I found I was more consistently typed as a soft natural... I also feel like the Soft Natural body type has the most variety in it? Like, you can get several soft naturals to stand next to one another and no two 'look' the same... not sure if that makes sense, but I hope that helps!
@bluebeesmarple
Жыл бұрын
what reddit community?
@kristinabayer3280
Жыл бұрын
As a soft dramatic, I think I look particularly edgy when I wear for example a boxy, masculine top with a long line on the bottom. In general masculine clothes that make you look broadened in one part of your body, that is contrasted by a more long, (in line with our dramatic line) other item to balance out the boxyness works really well. Due to our softness we often look very feminine, so one item that swallows the frame with harshness makes us look really non-feminine and in turn edgy
@MK-es8fw
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you so much! I cannot wait to see full series like this 💗 keep on going queen
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome, thank YOU for the comment and support, glad you think you’ll enjoy this series! ♥️
@lapetitepoire5
2 жыл бұрын
A teen of the 2010s means Doc Martens... as a teen of the 90s, I could only laugh.
@andreaferraridequadros1306
Жыл бұрын
Loved this video!!! I think Rihanna is a good example of an edgy theatrical romantic.
@PrinceDuCiel7
2 жыл бұрын
Talking about alternative fashion and not even a Mention of punk in the 70’s? 😬
@JuliaKirsty
Жыл бұрын
This video just closed a huge gap for me. Thank you a lot for making it. I love edgy styles and ever since I know my type I struggled combining my own lines with the edgy look I love. But I always loved sort of Gamine lines on me (I'm a Soft Natural) and felt drawn to them. I also prefer Flamboyant Natural lines over Soft Natural lines. Maybe I never was off track. I just prefer a different look for myself rather than looking just "pretty". I incorporate Natural lines all the time, and noticed that loose shirts, and more casual clothes don't look sloppy on me either, but I feel "boring" wearing only my own lines. I love adding a little edge to the overall look. I also prefer high necklines and crop tops paired with very high waisted pants. I know how to look chic if I want to, but that's often times not what I really want. Thanks again, I think this was just the missing link I was looking for.
@claudiah8905
2 жыл бұрын
I hate the look of Julia Garner playing Anna 😅 with her short hair and curls she looks free and wild and I think thats a great fit for her as a FG
@toni_odufuye
2 жыл бұрын
I wish you included more women of color. It feels like the body typed are very limited. It also feels like the color recommendations are limited and though the video was interesting to watch, I couldn't relate to anything in it.
@noontide_sun2880
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm kind of disappointed to see the restrictive corset narrative portrayed in the video. I wear Victorian corsets almost on the daily and never really find them uncomfortable, even when tightlacing. Other than that though, it was great and very helpful!
@mystic_mimi21
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. But I think she was referring to the style of corsets and the examples she used weren’t historical inspired.
@Joyride37
Жыл бұрын
Found out I'm apparently a theatrical romantic, but I'm a gnc woman ("soft butch" to some) and pretty muscular, so finding fashion that I both like and feel confident in while also complimenting my body type has been a struggle. On some level I recognized form fitting stuff worked better for me, but all the theatrical romantic outfits are all hyper feminine looks that just aren't me.
@bootscatsbootscatsboots
2 жыл бұрын
I get the concept and it's one I haven't heard espoused anywhere else, but I came here for SD sooo....bummer.
@breakthewall.mp3126
2 жыл бұрын
Same
@lilibetp
2 жыл бұрын
Classics have the hardest time looking anything other than classic, not just edgy, but dramatic, or romantic, or gamine, or natural.
@EveleaSolgos
2 жыл бұрын
great video! totally get what you mean about flamboyant gamines. i have a bit of edginess in my style, but it usually just looks pretty harmonious on me, so if i want to amp it up, i do it through bolder moves like a black lip!
@sarahhavillamelooliveira5825
2 жыл бұрын
I'm (soft, I believe) gamine. I weared very long hair for a long time and looked winda whimsical and doll-like, but a little boyish nevertheless. Then I got a very short haircut and I looked very child-like, inocent and cute, but also more femenine in a way (I do that in 5 year cycles. Grow out my hair until it's but length and then cut it shorther than my ears). I find it interesting how long hair (typically femenine) makes me look edgy .
@colochossalvajes
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Could you do a video of natural hair for the different hair types?
@colochossalvajes
2 жыл бұрын
Lol I meant body types 😂
@lucindalaree4666
2 жыл бұрын
I loved this video! I loved your style as a kid! Your true creative spirit shines through! And “Little Jenny” style was my favorite on gossip girl!
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
Aw this is so kind, I was a very creative tween so this is nice to hear! And I LOVE little J she’s my favourite Gossip Girl character for sure!
@Manu-ld4tg
2 жыл бұрын
As a winter, i always wondered why id look edgier wearing white and blonde hair instead of my natural dark hair and black outfits, so that's why, thanks :D
@ne-o-tvbv666
Жыл бұрын
Edgy boho is so right for romantics I am one of them and it is the only thing that can make me look edgy instantly. It just looks so messy and dark but somehow it adds a right amount of personality and “idgaf” aesthetic to my persona
@ne-o-tvbv666
Жыл бұрын
Also, Thank you for bringing such interesting topics on your channel. Appreciate you ❤🇷🇺
@fleurdelis3818
Жыл бұрын
I'd say if you want Inso for edgy fashion as a SD, look no further than Elizabeth Gillies!!! (specifically as Jade in Victorious or Gigi in $3x & 4rug$ & Rock & Roll). And I know Christina Hendricks was mentioned (the sole SD mentioned), but there is also pictures of her when she was young in the 90s (she was a goth!) and it actually really worked for her (short hair with bangs, long chunky jewelry, baggy leather jackets borrowing from natural lines) And I think Tyra Banks wore some edgy outfits on the runway that could definitely be inspo too! And also, I'm one of those people who thinks she's a SD rather than an R, but Rihanna is another poster child for edgy SDs too!
@existentialdemo
2 жыл бұрын
The presentation of this video is quite nice. However, I would like the research to be a bit more thorough and less vague. For example, in 1928, Irvin Schott introduced the leather as a fashionable garmet. I get that there is a limited time frame for a video. However, maybe just focus on one or two major clothing items. Rebellious fashion has a much longer history than presented here.
@treintaysiete4146
2 жыл бұрын
I still have one last question. At the beginning of the video you say that for most people the color black will make you look more edgie. The thing is that I'm just very pale skinned and dark haired, or as you call it I'm winter like. What can I do if black doesn't work for me and only makes me look more elegant? Btw, great video. I loved it! ♡
@bodyofhope
2 жыл бұрын
Same here. Ripped band shirts. Try the thrift store 😉
@RadioTrashKid
2 жыл бұрын
This was not a good video. Did u seriously skip over WOMENS rebellious clothes in the 50's? You just showed examples of male greasers. Lame. Also, completely skipping over the soft dramatic body type was kind of lazy. You showed one picture of a lady in a denim shirt? Nah, girl that ain't it.
@gusmonster59
2 жыл бұрын
None of this looks 'edgy'. They either look like no one knows what size they actually are (oversized) or they just look like slobs. There a lot of 'look at ME!!' outfits and a few god awful things (I can't even call them outfits). And couple of just nice outfits.
@annawinkler4731
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but I don’t really agree with this analysis. If you want to look edgy, you have to incorporate edgy elements. Drew looked edgy in that vest outfit because it was a very masculine outfit, and women are not supposed to dress like men. Madonna looked edgy in that white dress because it was basically lingerie, and you are supposed to use lingerie underneath clothing. Winona looked more edgy than Cindy because she was wearing a band- not neutral- T-Shirt, and her jacket was oversized, again looking like she was borrowing someone’s clothes. They all looked edgy because they were all rebelling against not only fashion but social rules. There was also a meaning behind those edgy influences and elements. Most edgy aesthetics are inspired by subcultures that have an actual meaning behind: being goth includes a philosophy, being punk a moral and being grunge a lifestyle. You look edgy by reflecting that. If you would ask me, the solution would be to take those elements that reflect your interests and adapt them to your Kibbe lines. There are a hundred different iterations of flannel shirts, and thousand of different cuts for leather jackets. Just pick the one that reflects your mood and suits your body.
@ravenblair7596
2 жыл бұрын
i wish i could se this for full figered and large femmes. We often get boxed in as dramatic or natural, and that's not true when time is taken to actually consider us as people with varied bodies
@scribblemonster370
2 жыл бұрын
Putting Taylor Momsen on the thumbnail did it for me
@shade247
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always tried to look intimidating but I have such round features. I just look like I’m gonna bake you cookies.
@lauraceballos9217
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a TR, and people has always seen my style as edgy. Now I understand it's because I use a lot of oversized rustic clothes, more of a natural feel. It's a relief to have that option, because I get overwhelmed with my femininity sometimes...
@elliejeanroyden
2 жыл бұрын
YES!! I really hoped someone would say this - you can end up accidentally looking edgy if you do these things! Such a good point ☺️
@milolind9758
2 жыл бұрын
Soft classic here. I think a dark color and a zipper is enough to make me look edgy. Like you, I really needed this info when I was younger 😅
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