Regarding the "cutesy" passport photos in the demo - in the final game, if you press a direction on the D-pad while getting your passport photo taken, Mario and Luigi will do a silly animation that will be snapped for their passport photo!
@hard4games
11 ай бұрын
Good to know!!!
@ddnava96
11 ай бұрын
To add upon this, the animations do have multiple frames and which one ends up in the passport is determined by the frame that's being displayed when the camera flashes
@IAmNotAFunguy
11 ай бұрын
With thanks to Chuggaaconroy for teaching me that!
@Ashanmaril
11 ай бұрын
@@IAmNotAFunguy the koopa taking your photo tells you right before snapping, “don’t go pressing buttons on the + control to hold a pose!”
@HamazuraGOD
11 ай бұрын
@@IAmNotAFunguy It's shocking to me that people needed to be told about it when the game already tells you
@SakuraStardust
11 ай бұрын
This is beyond awesome. Thank you SO much for everything you guys do with game preservation!
@timjennings4342
11 ай бұрын
Hard agree
@Persun_McPersonson
4 ай бұрын
I'm so upset we didn't get the original logo, the Paper Mario-esque ones we got for the first two M&L games in English always felt watered down in comparison - atleast they fixed that in the remake!
@cold_soup_
11 ай бұрын
another thing worth mentioning about the original death animations is that the conscious bro doesn't pick up the fallen one when dodging attacks, meaning getting knocked out wasn't as punishing in the demo. the mario bros reference is cute but the added sense of urgency in the final version was absolutely the way to go
@sublime_tv
11 ай бұрын
Definitely agree. That mechanic made the game MUCH more difficult and I loved it. I don't remember if that mechanic made it to the future titles.
@MahNamJeff
11 ай бұрын
@@sublime_tvits in every mario and luigi game
@FreddyEddy23
2 ай бұрын
@@MahNamJeffPaper Jam: 🙈
@1903tx
11 ай бұрын
Damn, the Beanbean Kingdom has better border security than America
@BlueJourney2719
11 ай бұрын
I love how both death animations and revive animations are pretty expressive.
@wariolandgoldpiramid
11 ай бұрын
"Cutesy" photoes are still a feature in the final game. Remember how, when you're getting photographed on the Koopa Kruiser, the photographer tells you " _don't press buttons on your P-Pad to hold a pose_ " ? Well, just disobey him. Be rebelious, press different D-Pad buttons - each bro has 4 different animations, one for each D-Pad direction. And whichever frame of whichever animation was playing when the photographer snaps the camera - that's the one you get for your passport. And later on, you're able to retake your photoes in Beanbean Kingdom town, this time with a nice looking nature background. And once again, Mario & Luigi can totally make silly faces while getting photograhped, and each D-Pad direction has its own animation. In fact, as you progress through the game, you can keep coming back to that photographer, and there will be new animations. So yeah, it's kind of a big feature of Superstar Saga. Not any kind of prototype difference at all there.
@hard4games
11 ай бұрын
Good to know, thanks! 😊
@chopsmccartney6786
11 ай бұрын
That's incredible! I like how they were initially thinking about using elements from the Mario Bros. arcade game. I noticed the KO/revive animations and the game over font looked like the ones from the arcade game!
@train4292
11 ай бұрын
Glad to see I’m not the only one who caught that detail. I love it :p
@Icomplaintoomuch
11 ай бұрын
i think the use of the elements is merely placeholders. Game developers, specifically programmers just use whats available until artists make the usual final sprites.
@JoelTheParrot
11 ай бұрын
The old death scene is actually really cute and clever, though I can see why it was changed for gameplay reasons
@kingplatypus3rd
11 ай бұрын
1:45 This prototype logo is basically the same as the Japanese logo, just in English and with the "RPG" part removed.
@Schwarzorn
11 ай бұрын
It's crazy that they made that nice-looking logo and then someone said "Ew. Needs to be blockier and with less outline. And a weird E- shaped & symbol.". The prototype looks way better. I'm glad they eventually went back to the Japanese logo's style for the remakes.
@joyconboyz1409
11 ай бұрын
Happy to see a new preservation group rise up. I haven’t heard much since ForestOfIllusion disbanded; I hope this group does some amazing work!
@hard4games
11 ай бұрын
Hoping to see great things from them!
@kevinlee7678
11 ай бұрын
@mariomemer123 Yeah, but we don't REALLY know why.
@sublime_tv
11 ай бұрын
Aw, that's a really dope name, too!
@hard4games
11 ай бұрын
@@kevinlee7678 It's sad. 🙁
@Irreve-rsible
11 ай бұрын
When did ForestofIllusion depart? Never heard that.
@mspeter97
11 ай бұрын
That beta logo reminds me of the japanese logo actually Also that Stardust Fields segment is also in the kiosk demo using the retail map
@sublime_tv
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely adore this game. The fact that I'm an identical twin makes it feel all the more special even though the Mario bros. aren't. Thanks for sharing!
@RareSun
11 ай бұрын
I wish it was a mainline mario game but this discovery is amazing since it could lead to more being found by the group
@NatanAnimates
11 ай бұрын
WOW!! I loved Mario and Luigi's death animations... why are the Beta games so much more fun and interesting than the final version? :/ btw, where is the link to download this BETA?
@MrPine656
11 ай бұрын
Here's to hoping Zelda 64 or EarthBound 64 gets found next
@FloridusMan
11 ай бұрын
This and also the Kirby gamecube game
@IDWSonic
11 ай бұрын
I personally like the demo death more, how it uses the Super Mario Bros death instead of the normal RPG death
@Gorilla-r4g
11 ай бұрын
What a way to celebrate the game’s 20th anniversary
@jess648
11 ай бұрын
I love that Mario Bros reference with the old revive animation
@ArcadeTheatre
11 ай бұрын
Good stuff! M&L is one of my favourites. I hope to see a return of the series some day.
@kevinlee7678
11 ай бұрын
But with AlphaDream gone...
@sublime_tv
11 ай бұрын
I suppose all good things must come to an end unfortunately.
@TeamSprocket
11 ай бұрын
@@kevinlee7678 Theoretically any studio can pick up where they left off, there's enough games to get a good idea of their style, and the games aren't that technologically complex. Would it be good? That depends on the new studio.
@nintendofan5978
11 ай бұрын
Yo starman Juniour
@SMCwasTaken
10 ай бұрын
@@TeamSprocketGameFreak can develop a new game They have all the Money and I would like to see Junichi Masuda's take on Mario and Luigi battle music
@dimacjy
11 ай бұрын
Beta and unreleased versions of games was always more interesting after the released ones
@JC-hi8fk
11 ай бұрын
Seeing Sony Game Boy Advance is cursed
@chimaeraarts
11 ай бұрын
So that vid of Super Mario for the PS4 wasmt so off after all
@AMDRADEONRUBY
11 ай бұрын
Nice it's time for Hard4Games about one of my favorite game on GBA aka Super Mario RPG V2 love your videos mate
@Yoshisproductions
11 ай бұрын
Someone needs to upload these unused songs from the beta!
@bepis_real
11 ай бұрын
Can we talk about the Mario World remix at 4:05 though?? I need this demo’s OST asap!!
@jugggy3rd
11 ай бұрын
just with the opening screen we know they made the right decision "NINTENDOOO !!!!!" *MUSIC PLAYS*
@Elfking94
11 ай бұрын
Great game. Even with cheats on the switch the final boss was really tough
@BlueYoshi
11 ай бұрын
Looking forwards to their releases! still hoping for a Mario kart super circuit proto someday...
@kevinlee7678
11 ай бұрын
Or getting their hands on THAT Super Mario Kart proto.
@BlueYoshi
11 ай бұрын
@@kevinlee7678 that would be cool too but we already have lots of smk Protos while we have NOTHING about super circuit except a Chinese localization build
@MarioKartSuperCircuit
11 ай бұрын
I'll admit though if we got the E3 2001 build I'd be kinda disappointed mainly because the differences are not much of anything lol @@BlueYoshi
@BlueYoshi
11 ай бұрын
@@MarioKartSuperCircuit yeah, the build I'd like to see the most is the playable space world 2000 build (the one from the Nintendo internal VHS)
@kimetsu_kids
11 ай бұрын
the label on the ROM in the thumbnail says, "ROM loaned to Shogakukan by Alpha Dream Inc. to charactor-debug. Wonder who and where it leaked from. btw it's really interesting video
@The1ReviewBoard
11 ай бұрын
I like to think this could’ve worked on the SNES.
@danerd8978
11 ай бұрын
Kind of: The SNES is 16 Bit and the Gameboy Advance is 32 Bit. The GBA had more power than the SNES. Don't let the sound fool you. That was because Nintendo didn't want to pay Sony for the SPC Sound chip which they helped create. The GBA Sound Chip had to be made from scratch.
@The1ReviewBoard
11 ай бұрын
@@danerd8978 True
@FroggoBeanYT
11 ай бұрын
@@danerd8978the gba doesnt have a soundchip, all its music and sounds is produced in software, which means more cpu usage. Thats if we dont count the original gameboy soundchip that was carried over.
@brojoe44
11 ай бұрын
Nice shirts Tony. Wow the beta looks cool that border jumping joke was pretty funny, but I can see why they cut it lmao.
@Nostalgia64by4
11 ай бұрын
What some good prototypes and big founds ! i hope that you find an Super Mario 64 Prototype cardtridge
@frostwolf5499
11 ай бұрын
Hola, estoy testeando el prototipo de Mario y Luigi y la verdad ya completé los 3 niveles, tengo el interés de si se puede usar los códigos de trampa de la versión final para comprobar algunas características ocultas.
@quinndepatten4442
11 ай бұрын
A couple of notes: 1) it's pronounced Mame-lians like the emulator. This was confirmed in an interview a fan had with miamoto at the booth with God of war 2. 2) You forget to cover the demon that a developer brought into the cart that turns the game sentient and evil. 3) The border bros blatant tokenism. They can be taken to court for refusing to let you across the border based on your ethnicity.
@hard4games
11 ай бұрын
Good points. 😄
@MiYakuT
11 ай бұрын
Because 豆 Mame.
@videostash413
11 ай бұрын
Mamelian is a reference to Edamame (soy beans ... bean-bean kingdom)
@TiredCapybara
11 ай бұрын
Superstar Saga is my favorite game of all time. This is an absolutely amazing discovery and I'm beyond elated that this was found.
@Rafrip2010
10 ай бұрын
That looks like a 2002 lost beta release version Edit: guess I was right. This really is a 2002 beta release
@Miles64k
11 ай бұрын
This is incredible! Fingers crossed, I got a hunch that this isn't all the Mario & Luigi stuff they've got!
@beauwalker9820
11 ай бұрын
Hard to believe the M&L RPG series is going to be 20 years old come November. That means every RPG Mario series (SMRPG, and Paper Mario) are over 2 decades old sense their first game came out. That said, excited for the SMRPG remake, and beg people to buy it, so it can get a sequel.
@JosephShemelewski
11 ай бұрын
I remember the beta title screen from a nintendo power magazine it's so cool this was preserved I played this so much as a kid
@leafareel01
11 ай бұрын
We missed you, Alphadream...
@kirbothepoyo
11 ай бұрын
FINALLY A BETA OF SUPERSTAR SAGA I'm waiting for you beta of luigi's mansion at the e3
@mushroombros1366
11 ай бұрын
Curiosamente los iconos beta de vida en el minijuego de salta la frontera aparecen en una captura de pantalla en la guía oficial del juegos
@hard4games
11 ай бұрын
Do the MARIO! Hope you all enjoy and thanks to INTO THE AM for partnering with us! Get your shirts now and get 10% off site-wide via link 👉intotheam.com/H4G-AM 👈
@ItsNep
11 ай бұрын
Super cool to see this - it was like, the second or third game I ever owned. Never beat it. Got about halfway through both it and it's 3ds remake before putting it down. I think as a kid I actually wound up playing more of the original Mario Bros. than the RPG itself.
@cosmicsvids
11 ай бұрын
I wonder if this actually contains an unfinished version of the game you can't normally access with out hacking.
@Glitchtophertm
11 ай бұрын
I would like to see a rom hack that adds some of this pre-release stuff back in.
@sahilhossian8212
11 ай бұрын
Lore of LOST BETA VERSION! Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga momentum 100
@Placeholder501
11 ай бұрын
Those beta death and revival animations are amusing meta/4th wall breaks. They also die like in a Mario platformer which is a neat touch. Don’t a know if there is a single game that actually works like that. Shame we lost them but the final build makes sense as a gameplay design choice.
@Cogglesz
11 ай бұрын
Stunned H4G hasn't hit 100K yet :( It's seriously one of the most under rated channels i've enjoyed over the years. One moment it's something small and chill, you then forget and before you know it there's a huge pre-release dump. Shouldn't need to upload weekly to make a channel viable. Content like this takes real time and can't just be manufactured. I hope everyone's doing well! :)
@HandheldGamer1991
11 ай бұрын
It might be bacause in the later games the beanstalk was replaced by a piranha plant head growing from the coin boxes so i never made the conection that the bean bean kingdom was just an expansion on the whole beanstalk thingie. Like you cant tell me that they didnt come up with the whole kingdom/bean race idea from that beanstalk from mario 1
@Shyghost22
10 күн бұрын
4:33 i noticed here that WOW look at marios leg here, his left leg is sooo grey, they mustve asked masanori sato, the artist, to tone it down because it doesnt even really come across as reflective lighting it just makes his leg look grey lol
@puffleperson
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely wonderful stuff here. I love it when you can see butterfly-effect style differences in "normal" gameplay but I can't wait until it gets cracked open and we can see all the cool stuff under the hood. E: Make sure to peruse the documents on the Archive page. They're very interesting...
@MonadoBoy16
10 ай бұрын
I realized that many of the unused things in this build, ended up becoming features in later Mario & Luigi games.
@DeenHoward
11 ай бұрын
It's also interesting to hear the subtle differences between the E3 and Final builds' music. Thanks for covering this one!
@keeby4
11 ай бұрын
Never knew there was an E3 version of this game!
@jacobsworld3014
29 күн бұрын
We found the E3 Super star saga Theres hope to find zelda 64 or any mario 64 beta
@NitwitsWorld
4 ай бұрын
I can not wait until someone does a fan patch project to add back cut contact soon
@yellowwtangg
11 ай бұрын
Did the guy who found this ride in a machine called the death anchor by chance
@PedroManX
11 ай бұрын
Oh woah, very good!!
@StickFiguresMaster
11 ай бұрын
Beta developers: luckily Luigi can feed Mario a mushroom in battle, I had to learn how to play this a lot better before I showed the beta in the meetings room, cause otherwise Mario may not be heard and Nintendo may think, is… he dead?
@zephyr1741
2 ай бұрын
Mamelian plains sounds like a pun on edamame: a type of bean So checks out
@JaxCoolKartunes
10 ай бұрын
This was the first rpg I ever played but still I'm not into the genre yet.
@digidoridvideos3672
11 ай бұрын
This was uploaded on my birthday....
@parmsnik
11 ай бұрын
can't believe it was found! This is amazing!
@Mentelgen-1337
11 ай бұрын
3:01 i love this to be real. it feels cooler then the original.
@fox-milessavioroffoxes3782
11 ай бұрын
Someone should make a rom hack combining some demo assets into the full game
@shoe_gaze
11 ай бұрын
they're so haaaAAaaard they're hard4games
@ModwalletOFFICIAL
11 ай бұрын
Congrats on getting on the LMW notice board again!
@Tawit2546
3 ай бұрын
Death animations has different?
@MarioKartSuperCircuit
11 ай бұрын
I hope this means Mario Kart Super Circuit's ECTS/Spaceworld 2000 prototype could eventually be found!
@ATSTB
11 ай бұрын
5:49 ngl, it should been in the final. I like this more. 6:40 That would be a cool reference! Sadly they removed it. But at 6:46 they should have which Mario Bros is alive to throw the 1up at the dead Mario Bros so they could jump out of their colo(u)red bar.
@bankruptsee
11 ай бұрын
How weird this is my first video I’ve watched of yours and I’m wearing an Into the AM shirt while watching.. seriously the best fitting shirt ever made
@MatchaFoxx
11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for covering this awesome prototype and thank you Zoda-Y13 for allowing it to be preserved! 💚
@DiegoPaz_1
11 ай бұрын
Interestingly, a lot of the mechanics used in the prototype which were removed from the final such as having mario or luigi stay in the field after they died, choosing what you want to upgrade after completing a battle, and a couple more things were implemented in their future release which was "mario and luigi bowser's inside story".
@yoshi50windows
10 ай бұрын
These cartdriges are BIG
@السراقالمجهول
11 ай бұрын
i like how they brought the game and watch looking mario and luigi from the early logo back in bowser inside story and onward, neat detail
@DragonMals
11 ай бұрын
looks like this is going to the cutting room floor. I love finding pre-release demos of games before they come out and finding the differences
@OmegaVideoGameGod
11 ай бұрын
Very nice
@Somerandomdude582
11 ай бұрын
that's super cool!
@vittosphonecollection57289
11 ай бұрын
The old Title Screen is so cool and magical, tho I wish the initial letters of the Bros' names were in capital
@Magicofoxio
11 ай бұрын
This is so cool. I'm really happy this was found.
@starman9458
11 ай бұрын
I like the aesthetic art background in the prototype title screen!
@paddlepotion
11 ай бұрын
It seems a lot of those mechanics came back in the DS M&L games, such as the Run function becoming a button-mash to escape battles.
@pacmanfuzbearstoodioz2646
10 ай бұрын
can i have it?
@Retro-Chimps-Galaxy
11 ай бұрын
This game came out on the year I was born so magical
@floatingf8783
11 ай бұрын
Skip ad 1:20
@SleekGoose
11 ай бұрын
Dope !
@poyalt983
11 ай бұрын
sony name
@moxxiepeppino
11 ай бұрын
Wha
@aidanaidans6705
10 ай бұрын
I need this
@guapisimoprogamerhdomg7775
11 ай бұрын
Rom?
@YakibombROMhacking
11 ай бұрын
Cool!!
@thedotgiver2820
11 ай бұрын
..
@_calejon
11 ай бұрын
Handsome Big Baby Tony 😍
@piezku
11 ай бұрын
you have good channel name :D
@BaneKing57
11 ай бұрын
Hellz yeah
@oshabot1646
11 ай бұрын
This is awesome
@Vulpas
11 ай бұрын
It's funny and sad the Mushroom Kingdom takes boarder (misspelled on purpose) security more seriously than USA.
@GeomancerHT
11 ай бұрын
Selling your collection might be the worst decision you've ever made...
@hard4games
11 ай бұрын
Naw, I still have my hardware and the software that I actually will play. It's been nearly a half year since I've sold it off, despite recently announcing it. I don't regret it.
@Spielmeister456
11 ай бұрын
@@hard4games As my own retro collection has grown over the years, I don't blame you at all for selling. So many titles just collect dust if there's no proper place to showcase them, ultimately taking up a ton of space. If people keep giving you sh_t for it, screw em lmao
@ddnava96
11 ай бұрын
@@Spielmeister456. As someone who has a Nintendo 64 with 4 controllers and 10 games that has been in a box for more than 5 years, I agree
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