After watching several S9 videos (although I am a mft person)...I just grabbed my Pen-F and snapped the 45mm f1.8 and clicked... I smiled.... Great Job Robin. Precise and to the point .. 👏👍
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, PEN-F rocks.
@rdscleaners
3 ай бұрын
I’ve seen a whole bunch of these S9 reviews and yours is the best by far….quick, clear and concise!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Thanks, appreciate that!
@crimlarksSteve
3 ай бұрын
I think Panasonic missed the boat on this one. Love your videos as always, Robin!
@Centauri27
3 ай бұрын
That seems to be the general consensus. Who did they listen to for advice when designing this thing? Certainly not photographers.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Thanks, appreciate the kind words. Yeap, the boat has sailed far, far away
@bastian.michel
3 ай бұрын
As a GX800 fanboy, I believe this camera could be a dream come true. However, the lack of a mechanical shutter is a significant drawback for me, as it would lead to recurring issues. Why didn't they include a first curtain shutter? Breaks my photography heart.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I don't think it would add that much size if mechanical shutter was included. Such a missed opportunity.
@keithvlogs1
3 ай бұрын
THIS could have BEEN the GX8 mk 2 everyone's been waiting for... With propper mechanical shutter, 5 axis IBIS and the pdaf sensor from g9 mk ii with flip screen and mic jack... with A huge viewfinder....Such a shame
@OutRAjious
3 ай бұрын
And Flash!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeap, this should have been a Micro Four Thirds camera without so many compromises on the S9
@Lucidexplore
3 ай бұрын
This seriously had the potential to be the perfect camera for me but Panasonic crippled it heavily for my usage. The cold shoe (yes not hot lol) and just having an electronic shutter is a deal breaker for me. A Viewfinder like their MFT version of this design GX8 and GX9 would have been ideal. I understand that there are always some compromise but in this case the compromise is far too many.
@greenbrightly
3 ай бұрын
Totally agree.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I just don't understand why they crippled the camera so much. This could have been a huge hit
@log791
3 ай бұрын
Yes, the GM5 has a viewfinder, and it was released 10 years ago!... What a shame, that they did not make a full frame GM5 instead of this mule. And on the 5th of June they will introduce a GH7 according to the news. I'm very disappointed that there won't be an m43 GM5/GX85 successor any time soon.
@Centauri27
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, same here. But I'm still holding out hope they may turn their attention back to the GX series after the GH7.
@log791
3 ай бұрын
@@Centauri27 I hope it too, but I would not put big money on that... Anyway, this S9 would have been perfect, if it had 1.) a mechanical shutter, 2.) an EVF, 3.) a tilting screen like in the GX85/GX9. What a miss!
@Centauri27
3 ай бұрын
@@log791 Oh well. That further reinforces that this camera was not made for "us" (photographers). Sure hope the content creators appreciate this thing.
@alexmulo
3 ай бұрын
This is the most expensive piece of plastic that Panasonic made.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I have no choice but to agree
@allanc803
3 ай бұрын
After watching a few reviews, I am going to stay with Olympus (OM Systems). For what I do there is no need to change formats and go through the process of getting more lenses, and the kit lens with this camera is the 26mm fixed f8 L mount (why?) maybe for street photography but not in low light. Call me crazy but I still prefer my Pen-F for everyday carry. I do like your thoughts and that you are not afraid to point out the good and bad with products regarding photography.📸
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yes, you are right about the 26mm F8 lens, that is another topic that deserves a separate video. I may make one if I can find a working sample. Thanks for the kind words, and yes it is very important to me to be honest. I feel that this is a missed opportunity, Panasonic could have created something truly amazing and will sell crazy well.
@skoidat
3 ай бұрын
The pictures coming out of that lens are amazing, but it is very strange that its fixed. I just bought a 9mm Oly fixed at f/8, but its a body cap lens, and this isn't, so I would love to see how Panasonic justifies it.
@Hexlord
3 ай бұрын
Just to clarify that the kit lens is actually the 20-60mm and not that pancake lens. The local folks here in Malaysia will have to pony up RM550 to get that~
@allanc803
3 ай бұрын
@@Hexlord The only other useI I can think of is to use the lens as a body cap lens.
@busydadscooking001
3 ай бұрын
@@skoidat it's a body cap lens bc it doesnt need a lens cap added. but, agree, its nearly as big as some nikon and canon primes, nobody knows what they were thinking...i predict in future that lens will be unobtainium:D
@FukuroOFU
3 ай бұрын
With the appearance of S9 with a full frame, OMDS may have had a chance to succeed in PEN. I think that If OMDS succeeds in realizing the function of OM-5 in the PEN enclosure, OMDS may be able to get a big chance. I want to pray that OMDS will not miss this opportunity.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I think if they wanted to come up with the PEN-F successor, they would have done it already by now.
@seaeagles6025
3 ай бұрын
Hi Robin, thanks for introducing this Lumix S9. Thank you for mentioning that for Content Creators this is a fine camera, but if you're more of a photographer maybe give it a miss. Great advice Robin because if someone is more into photography than being a Content creator, you have really helped them in deciding if this camera is right for them, by explaining its features. Also thanks for showing some example photos. Nice presentation, thank you 😊
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Thanks. The problem is, a lot of content creators also take photographs. People want a capable hybrid camera, and the S9 could be one, but no, it was crippled so much.
@seaeagles6025
3 ай бұрын
At least now Content Creators and photographers know the Specs of this camera, to make a decision whether to buy or not. Many thanks Robin ☺️
@flagger2020
3 ай бұрын
Mostly spot on as always Robin. But it can work for photography. I brought an fp and fpL. I miss the mechanical shutters, and IBIS, and the evf is kind of odd (mounting and no eye sensor). But surprisingly the DR and low noise of the sensors means I can use them quite well for photography, even if its more work due to missing creature comforts ala features. As a backup to them i brought an S5, and its ibis and sensor are really good for photography, to the point I use it a lot more than expected. The S9 is a miniature S5ii and will do well in photography.. but for the price will people use it when they could get a Sony A7C instead (or even gx9, a6700, m6ii, x-e4 etc).. and as an aside, the sigmas are small and have much longer video record limits upto 2 hours.. What I do hope, is that panasonic uses this to release some cute small pancake primes for the L mount
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Their cute pancake prime 26mm F8 is a joke. I hope they don't repeat this mistake.
@tobiasdavid3096
3 ай бұрын
It could have been a GX8 with a 35mm sensor…but no. 🤷🏻♂️ At least they could have added an option for a viewfinder.
@soholingo
3 ай бұрын
💯 So tired of Lumix missing the mark when an updated full frame GX8 with proper ports would be a winner. Only thing that makes sense is they are trying not to step on Leica's toes.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah just give us a Micro Four Thirds WOW camera
@greenbrightly
3 ай бұрын
@@soholingothis camera is not in the same price range as Leica though so I really hope this isn’t the case.
@catalin-ap
3 ай бұрын
Finally, a very decent title from a KZitemr! Respect for being honest and direct, and also sending a message to the manufacturer! Personally, I think it's such a miss, Panasonic could have just put a 1/160s something flash-sync electronic first curtain mech shutter in there! And a hot shoe for the flash. And unlimited videorecording - like the tiny and cheap Sony ZV-E1, but with a message when overheating. And it wouldn't have cannibalised at all the Panasonic S5 II, which is a clearly pros-first body.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Thanks. Honesty is very important to me!
@bastian.michel
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for being so honest. I really appreciate it!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Thanks! This is something that I cannot compromise.
@clintjohnson5914
3 ай бұрын
Great job Robin it's nice to have friends in the right places! You do know in the back of your mind I imagine what we're actually going to get from Panasonic.... Just like the G9 Mark II shares the body with the S5 Mark II and most of its features and capabilities... What's probably coming is a micro 4/3 version of this camera using the same body form and battery. Again content creator centric.. maybe once they should let a photographer influence the design and marketing rather than the guys in the appliance division who also make toasters and blenders.. I would enjoy the new MFT focus and sensor.. but I got to have that viewfinder and a mechanical shutter
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
If they made a Micro Four Thirds equivalent - 1) with mechanical shutter and EVF, this will kill the S9 or 2) without mechanical shutter and EVF - they will lose the support of their Micro Four Thirds base. No win whichever that happens.
@gordon3988
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Robin..alway enjoy! Definitely not a main camera for photography, but not the intended market as you noted. Wish Panasonic would loan to you for a few weeks to see if it would grow on you! May need to borrow a few Sigma small primes too until some other LUMIX options. Still hoping they do a similar M43 version..small (please Pan), but weather sealed and preferably with a mechanical shutter.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
They did not even invite me to the event. The sky will fall first before they loan me anything.
@JohanKhoo
3 ай бұрын
Totally agree - love the form factor, and I already have great L mount lenses, but I need the EVF and mechanical shutter. If it did... TAKE MY MONEY.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I know right, if the camera has EVF and mechanical shutter, it will fly off the shelves.
@sbeckmesser
3 ай бұрын
Agree with the assessment for photographers. But why would any competent "content creator" be satisfied with a camera lacking a headphone output? Isn't KZitem already saturated with "creator" content containing abysmal audio? I would have given up the tiny HDMI output just to get a headphone jack.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah the camera, no matter how you look at it, is just too severely crippled.
@randomstuffman01
3 ай бұрын
S9 needs a mechanical shutter and hot shoe. For flash & rolling shutter. And an optional optical viewfinder to go in the hotshoe, but TTartisans makes some optical viewfinders already. And some compact f2.8 prime lenses: 24mm ,28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I just don't understand why they made so many compromises with the camera
@harryniedecken5321
3 ай бұрын
I think that you are right, it is content creator focused. Similar as well on the viewfinder. Maybe someone will offer a remote viewfinder accessory, either wired or wireless. My guess is that they will take the same body and just offer it in M43 at some point, similar to the G9 Ii.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I hope not, I wish they make a new Micro Four Thirds body rather than recycling the S9 body.
@harryniedecken5321
3 ай бұрын
@@robinwong Perhaps we will be lucky and they will do both. The engineering required to turn the S9 into M43 is probably small compared to an entirely new body. I am just grateful that they keep the system alive and modern with product offerings. I have to admit that I am still trying to learn how to do video with my G9, and some of the features in the S9, I don't understand why they are useful. I shoot aperture priority photos using the f stops on the lens and try not to use the screen at all.
@JeevesTCW
3 ай бұрын
Agree Robin, no evf & mechanical shutter, rear thumb dial control and the lens it comes with, makes this a poor package for me
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I don't understand why they crippled the camera so much
@ProbablyAnAmateur
3 ай бұрын
i think they made a compromise for the record limit because of little space for heat dissipation. it needs the mechanical shutter and optional EVF and it'd be pretty set for being a decent (borderline?) pocketable FF cam.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
The way they crippled the camera just narrowed the target audience, made zero sense, business wise.
@Hexlord
3 ай бұрын
Aside from the fact that it use L-Mount (M43 when???), I think the camera's quite decent from the perspective of a photographer. Nice for quick street photography/shutter therapy sessions... I would prefer EVF but at least they fit in a very stable IBIS that's not available in the GM1/5 cameras.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
It isn't small enough honestly. Still quite chunky, so if you compare with the GM1/GM5, you don't get the size/weight benefits.
@kimc5750
3 ай бұрын
I applaud the technology and R&D, just ponder some of the omissions. Hopefully there will be more models to come.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
There isn't any R&D that is worth writing home about.
@eyeswideopen565
3 ай бұрын
Great video Robin. I was looking forward to see what Panasonic had to offer regarding the S9. A full frame sensor in a small body sounds really good + 5-axis IBIS. But like you said it differently missed the mark by not adding a few key features. The green colour body S9 was def calling to me! 😂 so sexy!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I seriously wish Panasonic did not skip the mechanical shutter. And if they have included the EVF, this would be flying off the shelves!
@toneloc90
3 ай бұрын
Finally someone has infiltrated a release. Undercover Robin is my favorite Robin.😂
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Nah, I went in through proper channels. Plus one, thanks to Jaya
@alx4nex
3 ай бұрын
Great and accurate video as always Robin! Just.... Just my OCD didn't let me enjoy the video after i noticed the dust on the sensor during the first few minutes.... 😢
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Not my problem or my fault there. I did the best I can.
@MrJapanforce
3 ай бұрын
wonderful camera. Love it
@Brightsparks1960
3 ай бұрын
Great review Robin, as usual. Whilst I am sure Panasonic has done its market research I find it difficult to believe there are so many 'content creators' who who are being targeted by this camera. It's certainly not a photographers camera. It would appear Panasonic have created the hype by loaning or giving away so many cameras to influences as youtube is saturated with reviews to the point of people becoming bored with the S9. Hopefully the next Panasonic announcement on 5th June will be focussed on photographers, unless it's its a GH model update with yet more video centric focus. Perhaps Panasonic wants to become the videographers choice!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Whoever did the market research and product strategy needs to be fired.
@fabscams4136
3 ай бұрын
This is an incredibly disappointing release from Panasonic - when you think that Sony released the A7C which is arguably smaller but with much better tech 4 years ago and now the A7C ii which is even better. Also, they should have released at least 3 smaller lenses.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeap, I did them a favor by not mentioning A7C.
@lorenschwiderski
3 ай бұрын
Flippy screens for vloggers, and tilt-only screens for street photographers. An EVF would be appreciated as well. A super nice little camera, with a big heart for video work -- no more, no less. It must be where the money is, while leaving the street centric alone in their glory. My favorites remain the Nikon Z5 + 40mm and the Lumix GX-9 + 15mm Leica in MFT. I assume the Ricoh Gr IIIx and Fujifilm x100vi are great to use on the street, though I have not used them.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
If they can include EVF and mechanical shutter, make it a bit bigger, MORE people, especially photographers will buy it.
@titomiguelmarques5512
3 ай бұрын
With so many caveats and no real range of small lenses availabe, its a nonsense camera. A GM5 replacement with popup evf, flip-up screen, 25mp mft with pdaf and ibis, to go for the action photography market would have been much more inteligent. Another missed oportunity from panasonic...
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I agree, a GM5 replacement makes more sense.
@Durio_zibethinus
3 ай бұрын
I'm so tired that I saw Robin using $9 camera instead of S9 😅 Edit: No EVF when they successfully implemented it on GM5, and there is a A7C from sony made me confused on their decision making. No hotshoe also a problem, it's like a basic feature and a must have part on fullframe. Plus technically it's not make a camera practically bigger. Was they think audio isn't important? My guess: panasonic is capable to make comparable tech they lack on the market. When they change DFD to phase detection, it just work. But their decision maker, especially starts from G100, is an absolutely monster who never see the world, and I'm talking economically.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, whoever is the product strategist in Panasonic should be fired.
@simonatterbury
3 ай бұрын
Very good review especially as you haven't had much time to use it. Agree missing the EVF on a camera like this is a mis-step. The rolling shutter on video is a deal breaker as you wont be able to do panning shots. But what I don't get is having a small camera but to get the best out of it you have to use large full frame len''s, sort of defeats the object unless you only use little pancake len's for your work. However I wonder if Panasonic have a new MFT GM1 up their sleeves based on this, now that would be a thing.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Small camera, large full frame lens. This problem could be easily solved if the camera was Micro Four Thirds. We have so many small lenses to choose from.
@Stuffed007
3 ай бұрын
Make a small camera but then put huge glass on the front 😂 pointless
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@thegrey04
3 ай бұрын
you nailed it
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Thanks
@NorthBorneoLights
3 ай бұрын
People are still buying used GM1/GM5's for $400-800 USD. It's ludicrous that they haven't updated the GM m43 line in over 10 years now. The demand is there, Panasonic.
@busydadscooking001
3 ай бұрын
the top 5 best selling cameras in japan right now are 1/2.3 inch kodak terrible point and shoots. demand is there. look it up, crazy but true .. !
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Seems like they don't care about what's happening out there, or listen to feedback.
@iandrury1542
3 ай бұрын
If only Panasonic had made this as a GM1 / 5 successor with all the still photography features included for the m4/3rds format.
@bigdave1885
3 ай бұрын
Lack of a viewfinder feels like a bit of a ripoff in my opinion!.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Precisely
@asicsdigitalstudio2401
3 ай бұрын
#getwellsoonpanasonicLumixS9 Cons: 1. No USB video class (UVC )so, No just plug & play webcam ? ?? 2. No headphones out for video 3. No digital mic via cold shoe 4. Vidio clip recording limit in 4K+ 5. No EVF or side card door
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah the S9 needs a total revamp to work
@Centauri27
3 ай бұрын
"Should have been a Micro Four Thirds camera" says it all. All the "content creators" have been brainwashed into thinking you need FF to produce content for KZitem, Instagram, and Tik Tok.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I wish it was made into a Micro Four Thirds camera without all the compromises.
@wasylbakowsky5199
3 ай бұрын
Super small form factor, but with huge (unlike m43 ) lenses, really needs a good grip. A case of form over function
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
You can buy the add on grip.
@ZugFanTP
3 ай бұрын
The Cam looks nice, but I dont understand the Hype of the LUT Function?! I need the Colors what the Human Eye see. Good old Sony A6000 Creative Styles. Boom thats all!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeap, the LUT is useless for me.
@fajaragusSaputra
3 ай бұрын
Lumix Fullframe say hello to OM System 😄😄
@skoidat
3 ай бұрын
If I could find this on the used market for half the price I would get it without question. I agree with most of your notes, though. The one thing I will note is that this already exists with MFT and it's called the G100K or G100D (the 2024 revision). It has a hybrid shutter and EVF. I've tired full electronic shutter with the G100 to see if I can handle taking photos with it and avoid distortions and banding, and I gotta say, it's tough, but not impossible. Anyway, thanks for looking at this. I wanted to see your feedback and I'm glad that you got to see it early.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah if it was priced lower, things would have been different. But I still believe it should include EVF and mechanical shutter, without those, the camera is just too crippled to be anything useful.
@kevinscully6647
3 ай бұрын
I love Panasonic cameras, but the S9 has me mystified. Panasonic made too many design concessions in an attempt to make a full-frame camera what it can never be, a small camera given of the size of the lenses it needs. The 26mm manual focus lens with a fixed aperture size of F8, which is needed to actually make the S9 appear to be a small form-factor camera, is a joke. If I put my Panasonic/Leica 15mm F1.7 on a M43 Gx9, I will have an auto focus camera with better low light performance and a shallower depth of field than the full frame S9. (Did I mention the GX9 has an EVF?) Panasonic, update the GX9 with a better EVF and screen, use the G9 M2 sensor with its improved IBIS and its new hybrid autofocus system, and then you will have a near-perfect small form-factor camera. Hard pass on the S9 and their toy kit lens.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Now you see why I said Micro Four Thirds makes more sense for the S9? Not sure who decided it has to be full frame. Wrong decision.
@jinwan3088
3 ай бұрын
I think Panasonic has forgotten that micro four thirds customers still have a huge range of super lenses in their hands that just needs a new small body to match...
@IvarsDayLab
3 ай бұрын
I think this camera is made for no one. Content creators are not choosing cameras with tons of limitations, and if they want compact body with all the bells and whistles - they choose Sony A7CII + cheaper E mount lenses comparing to L mount.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Well, I am a photographer so I can't comment on the content creator part, but yes, the S9 has too many limitations.
@alexmilesg3
3 ай бұрын
The usual Panasonic theme... They *need* to mess something up. They F it up, it takes them years to listen to what people are asking for, and then they F something else. Good job.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Let's hope their next product will be better
@eskomies
3 ай бұрын
I believe Panasonic thinks M34 buyers are videographers and FF/APS-C buyers are all others. Thus this camera is FF. Also lowlight performance is important for influncers. Initially I was hyped but I need viewfinder due my eyesight issues of being older ;) LUT sounds great but f ex Nikon has Picture Profiles. They are good enough. I shoot JPEG+RAW in B/W profiles for example.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
They just crippled the camera so much. If it had important features people will buy it.
@eskomies
3 ай бұрын
@@robinwong True. It would have benefitted some more features.
@Extremeoh
2 ай бұрын
You’re my hero
@leckywoznicki5393
3 ай бұрын
Thank you :)
@thegreatvanziniphotos5976
3 ай бұрын
You know, I might be able to over look this or that. But all the lacking specs just add up to too many things lacking.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah they take too many things out from a camera to be a camera
@havikhobbies
3 ай бұрын
No mechanical shutter or EVF makes this an interesting product, will be interesting to see how this is received by creator's and what it evolves into!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Not interesting, just crippled.
@busydadscooking001
3 ай бұрын
i think you hit it - could have been a great mft camera, but now it's a half baked FF body! still .. if you think about my old epl3 .. this basically has many the same downsides .. but it's full frame! so maybe if one day it is cheap enough ...
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah give us a fully functional Micro Four Thirds camera, rather than a half baked full frame.
@mart1n287
3 ай бұрын
Whats the difference between the S5II LUT feature and the S9? Considering you stated that the S9 is the only camera with this specific feature right now
@Valerossi0
3 ай бұрын
The s9 did build further on the system that was introduced in the s5II. New app where you can edit luts and send them to camera. Also edit pictures from your camera directly in the app. Eventually this will be a update for the s5II and g9II
@vic_the_roman
3 ай бұрын
The Panasonic S9 is a great camera for the demographic it's aimed for. Just makes things simple, fast and easy for them. However, I also wish it had a hot shoe and viewfinder. Maybe one is in the works? 🤔😎
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Fast and simple, with many compromises. So nope.
@michaelajoseph6856
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for a really balanced preview. I think that with the view finder Panasonic ran out of space. Ibis, a large batteri and a large sensor is what they proritized. M5 and S9 are look alike but very different too. Surely I would have liked a shutter as the one in Sony 7C. I like also to have the possibility to add a flash. But I’m a photographer too and therefore not the target audience.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
The thing Panasonic got wrong - Content creators only shoot video. No, they also shoot photographs too. They want a capable hybrid camera, not a crippled version like the S9.
@iggytse
3 ай бұрын
It’s bizarre. Clearly the camera isn’t up to scratch for photographers but then there is no headphone jack for videographers. It’s stuck in no man’s land. Plus instead of making this S9 cheaper all the retailers have increased the price of the S5ii to make that more expensive. Even just a few days ago the S5ii was on sale for cheaper they the launch price of the S9 but it wouldn’t surprise me someone and Panasonic read my comment and got that particular retailer to tow the line and increase the S5ii sale price.
@numbersix8919
3 ай бұрын
Maybe they'll introduce global shutter next version. With a good pancake lens I'd consider that a killer street camera.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
And sell the camera for twice the price? No.
@hendrikmintarno
3 ай бұрын
They should made S9 like GX m4/3 (e-viewfinder, taller for better heat dissipation, mech shutter, real hot shoe)
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Just make it Micro Four Thirds. End of story.
@hendrikmintarno
3 ай бұрын
@@robinwong some people have inferiority complex, thats the market for full frame camera
@LeonWei
3 ай бұрын
I think the point of making this camera is to get more people to get into L mount as Panasonic already have a couple of smaller cameras in m43
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
You mean the point of this camera is to alienate ALL photographers?
@ProbablyAnAmateur
3 ай бұрын
which smaller m43 cameras? :D i dont see any others than the G100D, even that's relatively dated.
@HoLeeChit11
3 ай бұрын
No view finder, No deal.
@CanuckQuest
3 ай бұрын
I hear you. For me its the lack of mechanical shutter.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@tomscameras
3 ай бұрын
I would be in the market for such a compact full-frame camera, but yes, especially at this price, it just is too crippled for photographers. Apart from the missing mechanical shutter I really do NOT get why they also don't offer any external EVF ... 🥴 I mean, they could even make some extra money selling some EVF's as accessory but no, they just don't care ... Actually the first generation Sony A7 / A7R was the same weight as the new Panasonic ... they did have the EVF and a mechanical shutter, but no IBIS. But that camera was from 2013 !!
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
The newer A7 series bodies (A7 IV, A7C, etc) all have built in image stabilization! Just shows that Sony is a little ahead in the game.
@youranonymous931
3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry Robin, after all the years you put in pushing Panasonic and the M4/3 system, it just doesn't hit right that Panasonic won't even invite you to a simple event. I don't know if I can support such a company.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Well, I guess I am just not important enough. I am a nobody.
@tomassoejakto
3 ай бұрын
That one speck of dust/lint on the sensor is giving me anxiety
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
The camera has no emotions.
@sdhute
3 ай бұрын
It will be a great camera once the price gets around the 1199 price. Just wait a few years.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
it is still severely overpriced for USD1200 price tag, no mechanical shutter and no EVF.
@sdhute
3 ай бұрын
These releases don’t see to exciting to me. The gh7 will come today and that will also be seen as overpriced.
@humanelements2
3 ай бұрын
I guess I can see how this camera might appeal to some people. But why don't buyers get any of the savings Panasonic obviously made by stripping down this camera? $1500 for what is basically a full-frame sensor with a plastic box around it, no mech shutter, no evf, no etc, etc? That's a joke. You'd have to be hypnotized into thinking full-frame equals magically better photos to buy this if you aren't already an L-mount user. Otherwise, I'll stick with the OM-5, which came with a 12-45mm lens and LOTS of features for $1,399! A little less bokeh but way better camera.
@ramonscott6045
3 ай бұрын
$1500 for this camera is a joke
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I don't see how the camera is better even if the price is lower
@actionimagesphotography
3 ай бұрын
Why is the camera on fire? Kidding.
@OutRAjious
3 ай бұрын
amazed at the size of the 28mm pancake lens.. never seen that on FF before.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Panasonic 26mm F8, no AF, fixed F8. Canon 28mm F2.8. Full capable AF. Variable Aperture. Both about same size and price. Which cave were you hiding in all this time? Full frame pancake lenses is not uncommon. Yes the Canon is slightly bigger but I'd take it with better functionalities. The Lumix is a useless piece of junk. At F8? I'd rather shoot with my phone. I'm not kidding
@thegadgetdude
3 ай бұрын
@@robinwongagreed! The L mount on the whole is just missing compact primes. Disappointed Samyang 24mm and 35mm 2.8 primes haven’t been made in L mount yet! Shame about that Panasonic pancake for sure, Nikon and Canon have some lovely pancake full frame options.
@MrFilipcee
3 ай бұрын
The body is not the problem. Obviously it follows the "make FF supersmall" gimmick and does it well, though You are right about the shutter - electronic only is good for stacked sensors. Otherwise, banding... The biggest issue, though, is that "lens". The camera is clearly meant for the street, begging for a versatile 35mm f2/f1.8 muffin like what Sony and Nikon have in their lineups. Instead, Panasonic ships it, literally, with a $300 fixed aperture F8 mf 26mm. Were they high when they came up with this?
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
That 26mm F8 lens is another disaster. If I can get my hands on one, I'd like to roast it in another video.
@21upbowls
3 ай бұрын
strangest camera ive seen
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
It isn't strange. Just crippled.
@cityproofdad
3 ай бұрын
ls sony L mount and lumixLl mount the same??
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Show me a Sony L mount. Go find it.
@danielchill3240
3 ай бұрын
Just because there are a lot of M43 haters.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Nah, this time the full frame users also bash the S9
@danielchill3240
3 ай бұрын
@robinwong It is like an under development sku.
@spacelord1913
3 ай бұрын
GH7 coming out in 2 days according to Andrea
@angeloplayforone
3 ай бұрын
Great video of your initial opinion of this camera. Will Panasonic Malaysia loan you the camera for a review?
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
There is no Panasonic Malaysia.
@TechPinas
3 ай бұрын
Haha. Oh, no, Robin. You criticized the camera as a +1. Your friend Jaya most likely will no longer be invited by (Panasonic) Lumix Malaysia to their events. Haha. You practically sabotaged him. Based on Gerald Undone's story, it seems Lumix is incapable of accepting constructive criticism about their products. Your friend will surely suffer the consequences of you sharing the cons of this fresh release. Haha.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Gerald Undone is a problem himself. He is just a KZitemr, not a real photographer or videographer. I won't believe anything he says.
@TechPinas
3 ай бұрын
@@robinwong Fierce. I love it!
@TechnikMeister2
3 ай бұрын
Its got a slow and crappy mobile phone lens. Its for bloggers. You watch, Nikon and Canon will start to cripple the video on their higher end mirrorless models and push hybrid users to their vastly superior dedicated video systems. Look for sub $5000 Red models soon. Canon is already there.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
The lens I attached it to was 20-60mm lens. I think that is a good lens.
@neobluepill6051
3 ай бұрын
Lumix S9 has been rushed to compete with X100VI but to many mistakes in my opinion : No EVF, No Hotshoe,No built in flash -> you'lll never be able to use a flash at all No mechanical shutter, No Wheather sealing, Plastic build, Silly controls/lack of them 15min video limit, No headphone jack, No decent pancake lens for L mount, 1 SD (not a big deal imo) 1700€ is not that cheap But the worse is the 26mm F8 manual lens launch with the S9... A new GX camera with G9ii sensor would have make more sense, lots of superb compact lenses for m43 to go along with it. Panasonic should invest in R&D not in paying trips to Influencers, sorry I meant youtubers...
@Valerossi0
3 ай бұрын
Panasonic never stated that the s9 is there to compete with x100VI. Maybe influencers did
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
The camera is not competing with Fuji X100. This is made for content creators. Fuji is not a video centric camera. So comparing apples to dogs here.
@TCKe
3 ай бұрын
Honestly i have not used a wievfinder since 2010 and i do both video and photo. Also mechanical shutter i can't see the necessity of that
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
You obviously have not shot enough to say mechanical shutter is not important. Spend one day in my shoes you will regret not having a mechanical shutter. You don't shoot outdoors a lot eh? Try shooting under Malaysian tropical sun. You will claw your eyes out looking through the LCD screen.
@JimmyPifPaf
3 ай бұрын
It could be great small FF camera for photographers. There will be small zoom and maybe someday 40mm pancake. But photocentric version...
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeap, there is the 26mm F8 disaster. I hope they don't make any more of such useless lenses.
@rogermuggleton8127
3 ай бұрын
I see Robin is following the opinions of other "content creators" with the criticism of this camera and its omissions. But it occurred to me that the probably vast majority of photos taken today used something with similar omissions, that is a phone. Yes, no EVF, no mechanical shutter, no hot shoe (although a feeble flash). Phones usually have a tiny sensor too, but that is OK because most of these photos are also viewed on the phone. Not printed out a metre wide, not viewed on a big high definition monitor. In fact, the same goes for the output of a good many "content creators". They may make their 4k or greater video on the latest most expensive cameras and lenses, but they get viewed on a screen (often cracked) about 5cm wide. Having said that, it's probably not the camera for me. I would like an EVF - the one in my small LX100 does the job - but I'm not bothered about the rest of the omissions. But I know it won't satisfy those who will drool over a Canon R1, a monstrous beast designed to empty the wallets of wealthy Americans, a camera which to my eyes is going in the wrong direction. The S9 does provide an alternative direction which will be welcomed by some people. If not, cameras will just get larger and more expensive which will eventually lead to their demise.
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
How dare you accuse me of following anyone's opinion? That is uncalled for. It is because of camera companies making bad decisions like removing mechanical shutter and EVF that led to their demise.
@mindquiet
3 ай бұрын
2 k and no weather sealing, not good for the UK
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
I can forgive not having weather-sealing, this isn't a professional camera. But mechanical shutter and EVF, different story.
@nsevv
3 ай бұрын
Go take pictures in haunted places. Please.
@zoltanvarga1967
3 ай бұрын
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@hernano221
3 ай бұрын
...the new App comes with the S9 lowers the entire bitrate of any exported footage to 45Mb/s a huge mistake... the LUTS just ripoff the content... non viewfinder, no mechanical shutter, recording time restriction is totally against the Content Creators.. .the S9 is a S5 bad cut with overpriced... there are many other models cost the same far superior.... many mid-range phones and almost all high end with a good third party APP surpass this S9... period. Shame on LUMIX... Why not put that effort into Micro 4/3? Why not resuscitate similar M 4/3 models? Blessings from Mexico... 🙌🙏
@robinwong
3 ай бұрын
Yeah it seems like the S9 has too many compromises. I just can't understand why they don't make a Micro Four Thirds camera instead, which would be a better option.
@hernano221
3 ай бұрын
@@robinwong Robin.. in few hours the new BS1H arrives!! the phrase say: 👆🏻 "CINEMA GEAR" ...hybrid systems (GH) are out!! "Cine Gear" means ⚠️Lumix BS1H Box Cine Camera⚠️... grettings!!
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