The M9 is one of the most aesthetically-pleasing pistols of all time. My personal all time favorite.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I like the way it looks too.
@vitalityfox
Жыл бұрын
I like the 92fs inox. I've used many handguns it wasn't until I used the inox when I stuck with one sidearm. I won't find myself using any other handgun.
@savagelee6973
Жыл бұрын
I have a Beretta 92, I have walnut grips on it.
@misterstrongerman
Жыл бұрын
M9 would be even greater if they moved the safety to the frame. And re-design the locking mechanism slightly to improve slide strength and avoid cracks. Accessory rail and red dot sight attachment and that's it!
@minibuns5397
Жыл бұрын
That is ghey.
@markdesilva1511
2 жыл бұрын
I have owned an M9 Beretta for many years and have often enjoyed shooting it. It has never jammed, is highly accurate and has little recoil.I believe it to be one of the best hand guns ever manufactured!
@darrinfrench9018
2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree
@chapiit08
2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried the CZ75?
@markdesilva1511
2 жыл бұрын
No, but I have heard the CZ’s are nice pistols. There one of the few I have not fired. Maybe someday…
@archcunningham5579
2 жыл бұрын
M9 is the only weapon that I ever scored a perfect score with while I was in the Military. Top notch weapon !
@darrinfrench9018
2 жыл бұрын
You are so correct I will state, CLEARY , to the author The M9 is MORE reliable than any Glock ever made. His points against the weapon are most weak and subjective His points are not strong enough to remove the gun John Browning the greatest mind of all time created the Browning High power Guess where the M9 came from? St Peter sais, little knowledge is dangerous There is good reason for this statement
@Cabiotube
2 жыл бұрын
I was in the Corps when we changed to the M9. I had been enlisted in the age of the 1911, and became an officer through the MECP program as the change to the M9 was occurring. I qualed once with the 1911 and all subsequent years with the M9. My personal weapon at that time was a Browning High Power and so I had no grief with the 9mm. I personally felt that the M9 was doomed before it ever got a chance to prove itself. There was a large and loud group of hard corps .45 ACP and 1911 fans both inside and outside the services that loudly decried the change to 9mm . I don't think any 9 mm weapon chosen in those times would have been well accepted. I loved the 1911, but the M9 was a much easier pistol to shoot well and with which to qualify. This fact was supported when female officer groups in the basic school for Marine officers were scoring around 50% unqualified on first attempts with the 1911, but shot up to over 80% qualified first attempt with the M9. Truth be told, I always felt that it was a good indication of an ongoing snafu when officers were firing pistols tactically in combat, so this argument seemed sort of academic to me and frankly still does. Shoot what you love and don't worry about anyone else's opinion on the matter!
@MrLarrana
2 жыл бұрын
The problem we had with the M1911 is it might have been made In the 30's or 40's. With that being said since the tolerances were not as tight as they are now the weapon didn't jam as much especially in a desert theater.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
My issued 1911’s always seemed to work pretty well.
@MrLarrana
2 жыл бұрын
We fam fired the .45, 9mm, and 10mm. We said keep the .45 if not go with the 10mm. The decision was already made. If you get what I mean.
@MrLarrana
2 жыл бұрын
Oh by the way. The 9 wasn't bad. I own 2 and 1 FNX .45. I enjoy them all.
@wsmith3849
Жыл бұрын
Better qualification scores was helped by it being 9mm over .45. Throw in the fact the .45 was so old it jiggled. We were issued the M9 just before Desert Storm. In a clean environment it’s a decent pistol. In the desert it let too much dust and sand into it due to the open top slide. We also had female MPs who didn’t like it because of the size of the grip and not being able to easily reach controls.
@billpayer2713
Жыл бұрын
I was a tanker and was issued a 1911. As a result, I carried one daily for over 40 years. After retirement I went to work as private security on an Air Force Base, issued an M9. I've always felt that I should carry daily what i carry on duty to avoid confusion due to muscle memory so i bought a 92FS (later upgraded to a 92X - WOW!). All I wanted to say here is that after a lifetime of packing the 1911, I feel in love with the Beretta.
@jason200912
10 ай бұрын
What made you want to carry a competition full size pistol
@billpayer2713
10 ай бұрын
@@jason200912 I want to carry something that I'm very familiar with, something that I have proven and I know will work flawlessly. Once I became familiar with the FS I was very comfortable carrying it. The X was a pleasant upgrade (capable of adding night sights too!) and I just like it. My body type makes it fairly easy to conceal and having always carried a full size pistol, the weight is not an issue. Mostly it's just personal preference.
@jason200912
10 ай бұрын
@@billpayer2713 too heavy for my hip bones. Would hurt running and sitting down
@billpayer2713
10 ай бұрын
@@jason200912 Holster selection is incredibly important. A rig like that, you don't just go with an Uncle Mike #4 from Walmart. I use a Galco belt slide and a good quality leather belt made for CCW wear. Cinch the belt security, holster just above the hip bone. It also pulls the butt in (the pistol's, not mine - lol) for concealment. I can sit, stand, drive, walk, run all day and I'm not a young man.
@jason200912
10 ай бұрын
@@billpayer2713 I tried putting it higher but it'll just dig into my ribs which causes end of the day soreness
@SpecialEDy
2 жыл бұрын
I have two 92's and they are such a fine piece of engineering in my opinion. Not as cheap and light as my polymer guns, but not as heavy and un-ergonomic as my all steel pistols.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@goodnightmr5892
2 жыл бұрын
USAF SF: Carried the M9 throughout career. Never had an issue and appreciated the engineering of the weapon. I do remember a lot of user technical issues while using level 4 holsters in stress situations. Mainly, failure to flip to fire after releasing weapon from holster. The one other issue I had was night time ops. Even with tritium sights, you had to use the traditional flashlight in one hand and weapon in the other. Which restricted having a free hand particularly if it became a CQC ground game or doorknobs! In some situations, responding to restricted areas that were cramped, sometimes the M4 was too cumbersome so we relied on the M9 more. However the metal body design was a great backup blunt instrument instead of reaching for your asp. Also appreciated the weapon retention lanyard as well.
@deucedeuce1572
2 жыл бұрын
@@hrfunk For real. Not a bad choice by any means, even if it wouldn't be my first pick (then or now). It's an excellent, extremely reliable gun. I think 9mm was the right choice too (though it has some drawbacks, like every other round). edit: more rounds is almost always better. I doubt the enemy ever cares if he's about to take a 9mm or a 45.
@sicilianlibertarian8417
2 жыл бұрын
I love my Beretta 92FS so much, when it came to selecting a more modern pistol, the recently released M9A4 was my first choice.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
@@sicilianlibertarian8417 I hope it serves you well for a long time to come.
@henrynenjamin3273
2 жыл бұрын
If the leadership would be replaced just because troops loose confidence in them the military would be a better place
@mattpeacock5208
2 жыл бұрын
If the brass replaced equipment because us enlisted guys complained there would be no equipment left at all!
@docbailey3265
2 жыл бұрын
No shit.
@abcdef-kx2qt
2 жыл бұрын
SMELLY MILLEY MUST GO QUICK !
@earlwyss520
2 жыл бұрын
@@mattpeacock5208 You forgot the revolving door for leadership. I was USAF Security Police, from 1987-1997. During those 10 years I had leaders at all levels on both sides of the fence. I had a Col. at Clark that I'd have followed into hell if he ASKED, and I think the rest of the 3rd SPG would have too. But I also had a 2nd LT. there who didn't know his @$$ from a hole in the ground.
@mattpeacock5208
2 жыл бұрын
@@earlwyss520 2nd LT dipshits are the stuff of legend. Everyone that served had a story about the same shit head LT. Weird thing is, some of them actually became the Lt. Col. that you and others would follow through hell. Great senior leadership breads a new generation of the same.
@ericzhu2953
2 жыл бұрын
The double/single action safety factor is one of the things I love most about the 92.
@markarcher2441
2 жыл бұрын
I found the people that complain about the da/sa just did not shoot enough
@rjo8500
2 жыл бұрын
Mark Archambault Yup, spoiled by the striker. Similar to the kids who grew up only riding quads. Put them on a KX250 and they pull a Pee Wee Herman!
@Dan-qp1el
2 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@Dan-qp1el
2 жыл бұрын
Me as well, that feature is nice.
@jamesrobb4928
2 жыл бұрын
Same here. Got rid of my 1911s after a range day with family. My nephew was handling one (verified empty) and snapped it while decocking... All semiauto hand guns now drop hammer safety types in my collection.
@itakeovercomedy
2 жыл бұрын
Joined the Army in 93 and the M9 is the reason I still own Berettas to this day (92F and 2 PX4s). I agree about the ergonomics for smaller hands, but other than that it's a great sidearm. People tend to resist change. I understand the 1911 loyalists, but that doesn't make the M9 a bad choice.
@BERETTA9mmUSA
2 жыл бұрын
As a Marine & 22 Year LE Guy, I personally Love my M9A3 and my 3 Wilson Combat Beretta Pistols. They are clearly the Best to me!! I just do not like any of the Sig 320 pistols and I have tried several. I would pick a CZ75 or Glock 17,19,22,21 over the Sig P320 pistols. B9USA Sr.
@Ezekiel903
2 жыл бұрын
this incident that he mentioned happens because he round pressure was not ok!!! watch kzitem.info/news/bejne/sqR4m4mmpWhnf4Y the Beretta was the only Pistol to pass twice the trials!! Winchester had even to pay for the false accusation to Beretta! great video btw!
@gunner678
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm a Brit and my issue was the Browning, which frankly I found to be an excellent pistol. I tried the baretta and I found it a good piece. I do not like the Sig at all. I fired one recently and changed it for a SW 45 ACP. Much nicer to shoot.
@bryanbailey1462
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your service and if your home welcome home no matter how long you’ve been home my father didn’t hear welcome home until 2008 and was in Vietnam
@juanarce6900
2 жыл бұрын
Amen to that brother, the first pistol I bought was a Beretta 92fs, never had an issue. They ironed out the problems through the years until near perfection.
@someguy5444
2 жыл бұрын
@Dale Ross the Glock 21 carries 14rds of 45acp with a flush mag and doesn’t fire when dropped while the sig is 11rds and bigger while still firing when dropped 😂
@bamdadmedia
2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best explanations of the M9 and it's reputation. Subscribed! You have an amazing channel. Very precise and scholarly videos each time and every time. Thank you!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you and welcome aboard!
@gsyoung54
2 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best 92 history and explanation of any real or perceived problems inherent in the gun. Thanks!
@MT-uu7ol
7 ай бұрын
One of the most intelligent and comprehensive reviews regarding the M9 on the internet. Congratulations!
@hrfunk
7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@tims6970
5 ай бұрын
@@hrfunk92F never passed the 5000 round endurance test at the army small arms maintenance facility in Alabama. Slides cracked every time. Pistol grip double stack mag is too big requiring two hand grip at all times. Gun did work well consistently for hundreds of rounds. Needed to have light lubricant. Slowed down when too dry. Not a bad gun if you buy an Italian factory model. Those did not crack as easily as the Maryland pistol. Regards 😊
@hrfunk
5 ай бұрын
If you can direct me to a report outlining the parameters and results of that 5000 round endurance test, I would like to read it. Thank you.
@tims6970
5 ай бұрын
@@hrfunk We are discussing official Department of the Army maintenance and testing data so it would be up to you to follow appropriate protocol and procedures to inquire through proper channels. Possibly through the freedom of information process unless you know someone at ANAD. As a member of the law enforcement community we were in a position to be in close contact with those directorate maintenance personnel. They cleaned our M16 chamber lugs prior to department inspections. We also escorted them to metal shredders in Birmingham to dispose of hundreds of obsolete weapons systems. M16 barrels always burn out from the heat over time. More than one of them told us the Beretta from Maryland never passed the 5000 round endurance test. The slides cracked every time. They used a thousand foot concrete steel reinforced tunnel to test machine guns etc. They also tested tank gun tubes at our firing range on the north boundary. We won the national pistol championships in 1995 & ‘96. Regards
@hrfunk
5 ай бұрын
So, someone told you the M9 failed?
@bobbyw9046
2 жыл бұрын
PERFECT synopsis Chief! You left nothing out and covered all the bases methodically and thoroughly. Great vid
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bobby!
@patrickmartin8302
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 90s as a deputy sheriff, we were ordered to transition from our revolvers to the 92f. It is a fine pistol and very reliable, but like you pointed out, my biggest complaint was the double action to single action mode. We did not receive enough training in our transition and I preferred staying with my revolver but it was not an option. Again, the 92f is a good gun, it just takes some mastering like you pointed out.
@dick8997
2 жыл бұрын
Beretta has become so much better with the aftermarket components from Wilson combat and Langdon tactical In the past few years.
@lashlarue7924
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Straight to the point, well-articulated, and well-informed. Thank you for educating me on this.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@cbwelch4
2 жыл бұрын
My father carried an M-16 in Vietnam, but he had the A1 upgrade. It didn’t fail him but he didn’t like 5.56 for heavy brush and he felt the AK was a better weapon for that environment and it had 30 round mags versus the early 20 rounders. His words, “We were outgunned and everybody knew it.”
@BigFunkyy
Жыл бұрын
Sadly if you talk to a lot of veterans from the conflicts in the middle east in later years, this was still the case.
@Unknown_Meliodas
Жыл бұрын
The United States actually won the war military wise and destroying the communists but we lost politically because people don’t like it when you invade another country so we pulled out
@colebresnehen38
Жыл бұрын
@@Unknown_Meliodas it was an unjust invasion from the get-go. The US gov has meddled in other countries affairs since the dawn of the 20th century, whether justified or not
@dwoolwichpoly9086
11 ай бұрын
@@Unknown_Meliodasyeah invading another country for no good reason other than to destabilise them, steal their resources and set up base and proxy wars in their land tend to do that. And USA didn’t win in Vietnam, they came back with their heads down, mostly as heroin addicts, or PTSD nutcases. If you call that winning, the good ole US of A has lower standards that I gave it credit for. Same with Iraq and Afghanistan
@jason200912
10 ай бұрын
@bigfunkyy There are no veterans in the modern periods asking for the taliban's rusty ak with smooth bore rifles and no optics. This was the case in Vietnam but it changed quickly as the m16 continuously got upgraded. Perhaps some troops wanted the zastava ak that Iraqi troops had in the 90s conflict. After that al queda and taliban were using bottom of the barrel worn out aks that were rusty and older than the user.
@RobWhittlestone
2 жыл бұрын
Howard, though I've watched quite a few of your videos, this is the one I like the most by far. Your delivery is well-paced, clear and you are obviously knowledgeable on the topic. It's a straight, no BS list of well-thought-out arguments why the M9's days were numbered. You are also clearly familiar with the pistol and your muscle memory kicked in when you were racking the slide or showing the movements for clearing a malfunction. I think what I liked most, though, is that you were in "instructor-mode" rather than "entertainer-mode" and your knowledge and intent shined through. Very enjoyable - and for me - informative since I learned a thing or two. If the M9 made people feel they were carrying a museum piece, what would they think carrying a 1911? I think ease and cost of manufacture as well as optics-readiness are very good arguments for a future-oriented procurement. And the 9x19mm cartridge is well proven, inexpensive and widely available. I was curious to hear your message about "US forces not liking being subject to NATO" - I think other member countries regard NATO as being very much driven by the US. Many thanks for making this video! Thumbs up, subscribed. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome Rob. I can give you a little bit of background on that comment about capitulating to NATO. About 20 years before the M9 trials, the US essentially insisted upon the adoption of the 7.62 cartridge as the NATO standard. Then, just about the time all the member nations procured new rifles chambered for that ammunition, the US dumped it in favor of the 5.56X45mm. Some people viewed the US acceptance of the 9mm handgun cartridge as an attempt to make amends for that fiasco.
@RobWhittlestone
2 жыл бұрын
@@hrfunk Ah yes - the FN FAL (or British L1A1) story. Originally chambered in 0.280 but forced to change to NATO standard. 7.62x51mm. I am lucky to have one in my collection.
@TechNWRO
2 жыл бұрын
I started with the 1911 and was phased in to the M9. I don't hate the M9 per say. The 1911 was a more natural manual of arms, and I always shot it well. All these years latter, and the 1911 is still my daily.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I was never phased into the M9. All these years later, the 1911 is still my favorite pistol too. Even so, I’ve also developed quite a good opinion of the M8.
@andreinarangel6227
2 жыл бұрын
Amen brother. With the exception of the old, crappy mags, our 1911's worked just fine. There was no need to change, except to appease the NATO commonality requirement.
@brimstone33
2 жыл бұрын
I shot and carried both extensively. Learned the M1911 on the Electric Pistol Range at PI (though I was an Army guy). I think the M9 blows it away. Safer, more mag capacity, less recoil, more mass, longer sight radius. More mag capacity. Doesn't rust as much. It is a bit of a brick comparatively. Sort of like the difference between the jeep and the HMMWV. Lighter ammo somewhat makes up for that - and it makes a better club. I'd rather carry the M1911 in training, and the M9 in combat. I shot the M9 much better, that might be because I was a more experienced pistolero when the M9 came out. Oh and the M9 did tend to stick out of your kit more and get hung up on things. Particularly parachute risers.
@paratrooper629
2 жыл бұрын
@@andreinarangel6227 if you have to standardize ammo with your allies you have lost the war way before you use your pistol nato compatible. 22 years Airborne Infantry retiree. Currently edc ati titan 1911 3 inch barrel. Rotate with my glock 19.
@garyjcsizmar4636
2 жыл бұрын
I agree! A 1911 is still my duty pistol for concealed carry but I have sized it down! A Kimber ultra light! I love it!
@DarthBludgeon
2 жыл бұрын
Great Video, Thanks! Thousands of rounds through my 92G, Never a hiccup. Never. I love the subtle way you put across the concept of "Clean your damned Gun!"
@harryspeakup8452
2 жыл бұрын
That's a really informative and well-presented video. Excellent, thanks for taking the time
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome Henry. Thanks for watching!
@Jleitte
2 жыл бұрын
Calling all Marines past and present to call for the freedom of Lt. Col. Scheller. This tragedy can't stand too much longer.
@plightfoot8491
2 жыл бұрын
After 19 years in when this administration took over and what they did to my commander in chief I called it quits I refuse to support this administration but I will always hold fast for the constitution and America Master Guns P Lightfoot 3rd Air Wing Recon USMC
@stephenandrijischyn3804
2 жыл бұрын
Not a marine but I believe what is being done to him is wrong
@earlwyss520
2 жыл бұрын
They should've "Article 15ed" him and given him the option of; 1. Sign it & immediately separate at a reduced pay grade. 2. Sign it & stay in until retirement at a reduced pay grade. 3. Not sign it, and take his chances at Court Martial. What he did was wrong, and needs punished, but Uncle Sam's Misguided Children are going about it in the wrong fashion.
@TheJBerg
2 жыл бұрын
@@earlwyss520 exactly. Get it over and done, don't put in the brig and make a proverbial martyr of the situation.
@johnburnett5377
2 жыл бұрын
He knew his actions would get him arrested and prosecuted. He had the option to keep his mouth shut until he officially resigned, and he chose to be a martyr instead. Poor choice on his part.
@kbm-zw5jd
2 жыл бұрын
Dumping the M9 was stupid. Handguns are rarely used in actual combat and the new Sig doesn’t launch a 9MM bullet any better than the M9. Non factory mags and poor maintenance are the reason for any bad rep for them. I’ve owned versions of the 92 for over 20 years. Nothing less than 100% reliability in all those years. The M9A3 dealt with any deficiencies the M9 had. Parts and training wouldn’t have to be changed if they stuck with the M9A3. Some general got rich approving that Sig, which somehow passed this rigorous testing yet dropping them on the back of the slide was causing them to fire in the hands of civilians. 36 years of service, 20 of them in a continuous war, says a lot.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Then again, the M9 fits my hand and I can shoot it reasonably well.
@Hialeah1925
2 жыл бұрын
Same could be said for the 1911, no?
@kbm-zw5jd
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hialeah1925 not quite. The last 1911 to be produced for the military was in 1945 so they were 40 years old at that point. Not to mention the requirement to go to the 9MM NATO round rules it out. The Sig doesn’t have enough improvements to warrant the enormous cost of a whole new gun.
@Hialeah1925
2 жыл бұрын
@@kbm-zw5jd thanks!
@dick8997
2 жыл бұрын
The sig will have the same shitty rap as they get raped by the services at the range
@OP-fd4lh
Жыл бұрын
You explained this video professionally. I hope we can get your YT channel more exposure so others can benefit from your knowledge.
@hrfunk
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@joeigla6576
Жыл бұрын
Excellent job!! Very informative and backed with obvious experience.
@hrfunk
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Joe. I’m glad you liked it!
@jamieprice126
2 жыл бұрын
I've had my Berretta for 28years now with 10s of thousands of round's through it and not one malfunction 😀
@danielt.3152
2 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly the kind of info that gives me confidence in the weapon. I shoot a 12ga Browning Citori, I literally probably shot at least 10K rounds over 27 years or more it is reliable and functional on clays skeet,trap, sporting clays and upland birds and doves. If you shoot that many rounds thru the same firearm you have muscle memory and a high degrees of confidence in the results.
@jaman878
Жыл бұрын
I have had my 92S for 31 years. It was my only side arm up until 5yrs. In all that time over couple thousand rounds, I have had mis fire may 2x. I love the firearm, I have never shot that well with it. But that is me, not the gun.
@LongColtSportsman
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and Great points as always Howard! I had to acquire my own M9 as mine served very well in the Navy. I still think it is one of the top full size 9mm pistols ever made! I also added Wilson grips and safety change that fixed two key elements you mentioned. All the difference in the world for little $$ and I love it even more.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I really like mine too!
@poncoolride
2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video sir. I really enjoy your no nonsense approach and excellent presentation of the subject.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TheTimeweaver
2 жыл бұрын
This channel is quite underrated. Hopefully, you'll get more subscribers. Thank you for the review of the M9 handgun.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome Anthony. Thanks for watching!
@woodrow1037
2 жыл бұрын
I still have the Beretta 92f that I carried as a LEO (retired). It has always been extremely reliable. The "issue" with the safety in my opinion, was a non-issue. After training and practice just like anything else. The 92 was a big improvement over the S&W mod 66 I carried prior to the 92. My 92 I is still one of my favorite pistols to shoot. The only reason it's not my EDC is it's size. It is a bit large for concealed carry. Good honest video. Thanks. Blessings
@scooterbob4432
2 жыл бұрын
I have both the Beretta 92F and Glock 19. Shooting the heavier Beretta is more pleasant and comfortable. The Glock looks like an air soft BB gun.
@GorillaCookies
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer my 92FS over all of my other sidearms. Its Reliability , Accuracy and Ergonomics are about as good as it gets in my opinion. I did have a ammo related failure of a M-9 while in the Army but it was 100% a Ammunition related problem . Just great sidearms in my experience
@johnknapp665
2 жыл бұрын
@Pawnee Nation The FS has a stop to prevent the slide from blowing back off the frame. This allegedly happened to some Seals who fire a LOT of rounds in training. I carried an FS on SWAT for many years and still love it, very accurate, very reliable.
@DavidLLambertmobile
2 жыл бұрын
I toted a issue M9 9mmNATO for 30mo, 1990s 🎗. I disliked the M9 9mm as a design, as a left hander. Mostly was the alloy frame compared to the thicker steel slide, which had a large cut on top. Loaded, 15rd, made the M9 Beretta lop-sided. Unbalanced. The Walther style ambi slide safety was 🤦♂️ by most sources. Even the LAPD which later got new 92FS models but authorized patrol 🚔 to choose either safety on or ambi safety off. I owned 2 nice 96D DA only .40 models. My excellent Police Special .40 96D had full NP3 Robar, 3 Robar NP3 11rd mags. The 96D was meant for a state LE agency; Pennsylvania. The state office even tried to "obtain" the 96D guns from the gun shops, FFL guys. 🤔 I like the Ernie Langdon LTT models & Wilsons but modern 92, 96, etc are not my 1st choice.
@DavidLLambertmobile
2 жыл бұрын
@Pawnee Nation the FS had a re-designed safety, fire mechanism. This is why the model changed. 92F models became 92FS series.
@timclaus8313
2 жыл бұрын
My career crossed the M1911A1 to Beretta change. Always thought the M9 was too bulky for the round, and the grip was too big for the cartridge. Always preferred the 1911, and today, prefer it in 38 Super and 10mm, lol. That said, even doing 2 tours in Kuwait, never had a malfunction that was not self induced. Mostly a brain cramp because my mind was on other duties, and not focused enough at the range. The 92/M9 gets about everything you can get out of a 9mm in a handgun.
@invisibletosociety8338
2 жыл бұрын
How do you feed your 38super? I have wanted one for years but the ammunition is hard to find.
@timclaus8313
2 жыл бұрын
@@invisibletosociety8338 Armscor and Sig make FMJ at a decent price, and the Sig V-Crown is pretty nasty. I also watch for once fired used brass and reload. Bullet diameter is .356 vs .355 for 9mm and .380, so bullets are readily available. Magtech also makes some pretty goof 38 Super. Both Midway USA and Lucky Gunner are showing some in stock, so it is getting back on the market again. I purchased on RIA Gov't model, 5" in 38 Super, added some Trijicon tritium sights for low light level use, and some Altamont rosewood grip panels for nothing but appearance. While the trigger is not particularly light, it is very crisp, recoil is light, and all the grandkids prefer it to any other semi-auto I have. It is a typical 1911, very accurate even at 30+ yds. A 4-4.5 lb trigger is light enough on a tactical handgun. I have some lighter triggers on hunting handguns, but they are too light for carry or home defense work. One factor to consider is that average 38 Super ammo is pushing the same bullet faster than a 9+P and often faster than 9+P+. and doing at at standard loadings. Pushed a bit to SAMMI max pressures, the 38 Super will scorch any 9mm other than overload competition rounds.
@invisibletosociety8338
2 жыл бұрын
@@timclaus8313 thank you for the information, I think that'll be my next project.
@wallytuber
2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right. The grip is too fat and does not need to be.
@Gravitys-NOT-a-force
2 жыл бұрын
A bigger pistol - like the Beretta - has less 'snap.' I imagine that women in the military - and there are more and more of them - prefer that particular advantage of the bigger Beretta, less snap.
@jimnaz5267
2 жыл бұрын
thoughtful and complete. thanks for your service and this video
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome Jim. Thanks for watching!
@soofihasan
2 жыл бұрын
You are such a voice of reason. I am a great admirer of 92 and always find it a fine shooter.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Me too, thanks for watching!
@sgtmajtrapp3391
2 жыл бұрын
I was a moaner when we adopted this Beretta 9mm in lieu of the 1911 series .45. Carried a 92FS on duty (M9) and it proved to be reliable and accurate. It seemed to fit most everyone pretty well and the 9mm was far easier for marginal shooters to use than my beloved 1911 in .45ACP as an example. Chief simply outstanding overview. I know Marines who hated the M16s due to early experiences. They wanted the M14 BACK not some plastic toy. We know what caused this but once confidence is lost, then credibility is extremely difficult to recover.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, I knew staff NCO’s in the mid-80’s who were still angry about having to turn in their M14 twenty years earlier.
@johnchalleen3278
2 жыл бұрын
@@hrfunk Getting off the subject here, but ever notice Gomer Pyle marching on the opening with the M14 but kept M1 Garand in the barracks?
@duke927
2 жыл бұрын
The Military ‘s Ordnance Corps has a long and checkered history with failure in the adoption and/or issuance of new firearms and ordnance and their implementation. The M-16 suffered from the belief it never needed cleaning. Using a non recommended powder and not having chrome barrels initially. Once these issues were dealt with and corrected it became a fine and reliable weapon with its variants still used today. Of course there was a golden age of success too with the adoption of the ‘03 Springfield (after the spotty performance of the 30-40 Krag) The Colt 1911 (after the failure of the 38 LC cartridge in the Moro uprising) and the implementation of the BAR, Thompson sun machine gun and the M-1 Garand. Culminating in the backwards evolution of the M-14 and then the successful M-16 and M-4 series.
@Easy-Eight
2 жыл бұрын
Given how the US military hated the M9 (I own one and like the weapon) then it makes you wonder about the Army/Marines if they had adopted the 7.62 NATO FN FAL. If it's foreign then the troops tend not to like it.
@Werepie
2 жыл бұрын
@@Easy-Eight Country of origin really isn't all that important, honestly. The M4, M249, M240 are all made by FN, while the M320, and the USMC's new M27 are from HK. Only truly American made stuff we're using off the top of my head are the M110 SASS, the M82/M107 Barretts, and the M2 Browning. Most of these I like just fine! - One of the troops
@cfzippo
2 жыл бұрын
"Fathers and grandfathers who were in when the M9 was adopted...." Oh CRAP! That's me! 🤣
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Ha, ha! Me too! That’s why I was so keenly aware of that.
@granddad-mv5ef
2 жыл бұрын
LOL, the 1911A1 had a long run after I was gone.
@cfzippo
2 жыл бұрын
I was a USAF FAC/ALO with the 101st ABN in Desert Shield/Storm. In 1991 in the 101, we carried 1911s!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
@@cfzippo yep, and that’s what I was issued in 1991 when I was recalled into the Marine Corps. I’m glad to know I was in good company!
@granddad-mv5ef
2 жыл бұрын
@@cfzippo Well, you are going to laugh about this then; as an Army Huey pilot ('69-71), I carried a Smith&Wesson .38 spl.
@sparty94
2 жыл бұрын
really well done. you covered all the angles. my personal opinion is that the m9 was a good pistol. i qualified with it many times and felt very comfortable with it. easy to drop and quick change the mag, intuitive operation.
@mikethorson4031
2 жыл бұрын
Sir, thank you. I really was about to buy one, despite all my veteran buddies telling me not to. But seeing you do a slide rack and it engaging the safety, that did it for me. Excellent video. Glad you made it Home.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mile! I hope you enjoy it!
@mikerbikex6656
2 жыл бұрын
Sir, this was an excellent presentation. You placed the issue in a context that I hope all of your viewers can understand. As an aging American, I was trained on the M1911A1. Mine had served in WWII and I barely qualified until I had a chat with the armorer, who happily (or not) took care of the issues. That Remington Rand served me well, after that. Today, I own several 1911s and have no interest in selling them. I was one of many, who were distressed when the M9 was adopted because of its wimpy caliber and foreign manufacture. I suppose that I have mellowed with age, but I do own a Beretta 92 and frequently carry it concealed, with a few modifications. I added a lighter mainspring and made the G conversion. I have no problem with the weight of this reliable and accurate pistol, given the effectiveness of modern 9mm ammunition. I consider it to be a graceful and dependable weapon. Still, it's not for everyone. No handgun is. Each of us is unique in many ways. Thank you for this thoughtful and well-prepared video!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
@iaidagger8278
Жыл бұрын
You have it very clear Sir!! Agree totalmente with you, I have 2 1911 and a Beretta 92 FS,my son has a HP35 in 9mm we enjoy very much shooting them all, but each handgun has its own técnicas for shooting it proficiently!!!
@willy4018
2 жыл бұрын
Opening statements nailed it, some people are just unhappy, they'll be hating on the M-18 before too long
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure that’s true, and there are already some who do.
@jwc00789
2 жыл бұрын
@@hrfunk Word has it that the US Army just bought 5 Million Bux worth of Glock 19's and 26's. Wondering if the Sig Honeymoon is over.
@frankbrowning328
2 жыл бұрын
@@jwc00789 Very interesting. Looking forward to seeing where those go to
@vladboy1
2 жыл бұрын
I already hate the m18 it sucks
@dichebach
Жыл бұрын
Fascinatingly thorough and informative commentary!
@hrfunk
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Steaksauce91
2 жыл бұрын
Spot on video. I’ll be doing an OPOTA qual tomorrow and plan on taking my M9 along just to have it as an option.
@Tadicuslegion78
2 жыл бұрын
Once again Chris Bartocci over at smallarmssolutions goes into great technical detail about the M9 and what went wrong and right. if you don’t want to watch it, short short version, military incompetence, maintenance done poorly and on the cheap with 3rd party knock off parts, global war on terror in the desert showed problems that were quickly resolved, and finally, they don’t replace pistols with new ones fast enough so often you get armories full of Frankenstein pistols. And as to the xm17 program, again there is a lot of fishy stuff in there so perhaps in hindsight they should have gone with the m9a3 as a stopgap and do actual trials instead buying sig cause it was the cheapest (and probably bought off some people/promised jobs post-retirement)
@watariovids1645
2 жыл бұрын
Those trials were definitely suspicious at the least. It's strange because I personally like the sig better than the glock but the trial basically made no sense and had very little due diligence done. It seems to me also like the modular system they want while not a bad idea is precisely the type of thing that they won't take advantage of. Cool we got this pistol that you can configure several ways to better fit people...but we are only going to use an A or B config to simplify logistics.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t watch that video, but I think I covered all the same points in an abbreviated manner, and I might have hit on a few other points too.Thanks for watching!
@sisleymichael
2 жыл бұрын
They did a hand wave on the trials. The decidion was made before they started. Every acqusition regulation was violated.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
According to the documentation I have, every aspect of the RFP was strictly adhered to.
@riderforchrist2755
2 жыл бұрын
@@watariovids1645 I'm a sig fan but more reliable than a Glock....not so sure about that. But the Glock was ruled out in 85 for the same reasons as now.
@mariesmit2328
2 жыл бұрын
I was in when we transitioned from the 1911 to the M9. I liked the old.leather flap holster vs the green canvas one, but at least with the M9 you could hit what you aim at.
@Dan-qp1el
2 жыл бұрын
Being new to both, I'm reading that the 1911 requires a unique hand-hold to shoot it right. Guess I'll find out. One thing I have found is that I want to change out the main spring plate for the rounded one. My 1911 .22 has it, and it really helps me steady the gun.
@edwilliams9914
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a superb discussion. As a not-deeply-experienced "general interest" long gun shooter looking for a first pistol, it's been difficult of course sorting thru the maze of options and choices to pick that first one. Always helpful to have discussions based on real factors not just "I like this I hate that". You discussed many things that are important down-select features but that I'd have never thought of (e.g., SA/DA vs SAO / DAO -- not "good vs bad" but here are the consequences for you of the choices -- choose which road you are happiest going down; and yes, right! -- you can't mount optics of that firearm!). You've earned another subscriber and I look forward to your other articles past and future -- I'll be reviewing them ALL before I make that purchase! Great discussions from your commenters too (even when disagreeing) -- that's always a good clue the general level of quality of a YT channel!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub and welcome aboard! I think a have the best viewers on KZitem . They are a fun and knowledgeable group. Im happy you’re one of them.
@3Pillers
2 жыл бұрын
👍 excellent video. Different strokes for different folks. I really like the DA SA trigger.
@LYLEWOLD
2 жыл бұрын
I love my Berettas, accurate, soft shooting, smooth trigger. And I really love that DA to SA option, especially for a home protection gun. Regarding the safety, for anyone that does accidentally engage the safety, Ernest Langdon shows a great technique using the safety 'ears' as grab points. His technique not only avoids that potential failure, but also aids in racking the slide if grip strength is an issue. Hope I'm not out of line referencing another person's work on your video, HR.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Nope, not at all. Thanks for the comment!
@kayakdan48
2 жыл бұрын
I like da/sa of my 92fs...very reliable and accurate. I morphed into the Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm Sub for EDC and rarely fire the 92fs anymore. Like to carry in da w/no safety since the weight of the da pull is safety enough for me. This was a great video...thanks. First pistol in my life was Navy issue Government .45 in the late 60's-early 70's (we had Thompson's too!...old fleet boat.
@macgyver77777
2 жыл бұрын
I think your evaluation has many good points. Thank you for putting those thoughts forward.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
@maxthefacts
2 жыл бұрын
Very proffesionaly explained. I understand more fully the probable reasons behind the change. Many thanks 😊
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
@olafvidar9315
2 жыл бұрын
The 92 is a CLASSIC handgun. I have one and love it. So well made and beautiful.
@LAT-qk3vj
2 жыл бұрын
The M9A3 is an amazingly well made pistol
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@External2737
2 жыл бұрын
The M9A3 has merit, but Sig came in with a more economical package.
@jimmyrutz1730
2 жыл бұрын
It is not because s i g is cheaper they knew within 10 years after adopting Beretta M9 it was garbage why do you think they came out with a brigadier but then everyone wanted to brigadier not a M9 if they quit offering the brigadier and then took it out of service
@billalston7511
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. As someone in the market for my first “new generation” handgun, your presentation and consideration of abstract reasoning was incredibly helpful. So often you hear the “I’d never own…” from gun owners quoting inaccurate statistics as you mentioned. My intended use is in no comparison to a service weapon. Weekend plinking, target shooting, and personal protection are the mainstay for my future purchase. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome Bill. I’m glad it was helpful.
@garyK.45ACP
4 ай бұрын
I bought an Italian made Model 92F in 1988 to use as a duty handgun. Our department had begun allowing us to carry semi-autos in 1986 from a list of approved handguns. I had done my homework and chose the 92F/M9 as my duty handgun. When I eventually went into plainclothes duty, the Beretta was my backup and I used it for certain duties where concealment wasn't an issue but an extra couple rounds of ammo may be. For my usual plainclothes duty, I chose a SIG P228. I was used to DA revolvers, which I carried for 15 years, and had no trouble with the DA/SA trigger of either of the two handguns. I DID practice a lot with doing DA/SA drills, or DA only drills. I still have the 92F. It shows a lot of finish wear (definitely what they now call "battle worn") but works perfectly and it is MY favorite range pistol. It never had any rust, despite being carried exposed in a notoriously hot humid summer climate and cold, wet, snowy winter weather. There is a lot of silvery looking wear on the aluminum frame and a silver looking barrel where the slide reciprocates. My 92F does not have the "slide break safety feature"...for whatever that is worth. That said, my wife is an avid shooter. I am 6'-4" and have 2xl size hands. She is 5'-3" and has small/medium size hands. Though she shoots guns like Model 1911s and full size DA target revolvers with no trouble, she doesn't like the 92F/M9 because the "...grip is too fat, I can barely reach the trigger". 🤷♂ I haven't regretted buying the Beretta, it always served me well and I have no interest in the SIG P320/M17
@synystur21
2 жыл бұрын
My first training class about twenty years ago was at TDI, in West Union Ohio. I used a 92fs and did extremely well, they joked around and called it a “thinking mans gun” because of the safety/de cocker. Almost everyone there was shooting a Glock, but I loved that 92 and I did well as I mentioned before. I like the idea of the removable firing unit in the Sig pistols but Beretta had introduced that also (albeit a little late) for the military, but I think that the M9A3 would’ve been a good choice but then again, weight is a factor for troops carrying all that other weight. I bought an M17 a couple years ago, didn’t like it. I do own an APX Centurion and like it a lot, but there’s something special (to me at least) about that 92, maybe because it was the first handgun I bought and I always wanted even before I was of age to carry. Thanks for the video, Mr. Funk.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@dalephillips8250
2 жыл бұрын
The M9 is a superior pistol to the army's new weapon(Sig) in every way except weight. It is also superior to glock except in weight.
@godgunsandgoldens
2 жыл бұрын
@@dalephillips8250 besides the cost to Military makes a modular striker fired pistol more desirable with initial cost and maintenance.
@painmt651
2 жыл бұрын
No denying the COOL FACTOR of the Beretta. Just a beautiful piece of engineering.
@donnie1581
2 жыл бұрын
I loved carrying my 92fs. Such a wonderful pistol. I know it wasn't an actual M9 but there isn't much difference
@winfriedg.hallerbach6249
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for your very insightful & balanced video !
@hrfunk
7 ай бұрын
You are quite welcome!
@loboloco866
Жыл бұрын
Outstanding review, excellent, concise thanks a lot
@hrfunk
Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
@AlabamaPilgrim333
2 жыл бұрын
Personal ownership: I like mine and the M9A3. Wish the A1 had a front sight dovetail to exchange sights, but understand that’s a product of the contract. Change the D-spring and the double action is great. Master the double action and the single action pull is just a bonus. Swapped the grips for slim version of LOK grips and it remedies the swell of the grips. Switched to a g-model decocker. Only weird aspect is I think the traditional black has great aesthetics. I think the stainless versions of all beretta models are extremely ugly. Love the in-line feeding to the barrel. Fine weapon with routine maintenance.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Thanks for watching!
@johnwayne2103
2 жыл бұрын
Here is or was the problem with the M9, People do not know how to shoot and were given horrible instructions on mastering the Beretta. I took a SSGT aside as a Sgt who was also qualifying on the range since were were in the same unit and we went over to the Poster that shows you what you are doing when your rounds are consistently hitting in the same area. He noticed I was placing my shots in the black while he was shooting low right. He asked and I instructed. He shot expert at the end of the week and so did I. He was so thankful that I had helped him not only qualify as a first time Pistol shooter but that he had qualified expert. it took applying fundamentals, breath control, finger placement, Steady pull on the double action shot and then easier pressure on single action, also time management instead of mag dumping on rapid fire. Yes people in the military are horrible shots even after all that training. I could never understand why someone would qualify as pizza box and to see someone with a double pizza box is not just embarrassing but why even bother.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Training, good training, is always the answer.
@samiam619
2 жыл бұрын
@@hrfunk The same goes with all professions or jobs in general. When my wife complains about one of her people not working right, I ask “Weren’t you the one that trained them”? Sometimes it pisses her off at ME for asking when she knows I’m right…
@sodman1987
2 жыл бұрын
The A1 does have a dovetail front sight to change sights. I'm looking at it right now. Lol
@DaveG1963
2 жыл бұрын
First and foremost a great video HR! I was a unit Armorer (small arms repairman) in an active duty Infantry company 1984 to 1985 pre-M9 or M16A2, and later overseas from 1986 to 1987. Your comments are spot-on in my opinion. Change is always the biggest issue especially when it comes to firearms, and at least a Grunts acceptance of them. It was the same when we transitioned from the old Jeeps to the Humvees! The M1911s were a weapon that had authority when it was fired no matter if one was able to hit a target or not haha! They were dependable as you know. With that said, Cost is the Number 1 factor if you ask me! Money makes the world go around as they say! And folks tend to forget its not just, OK here is a new firearm, it's the parts depot behind them across the globe and that's a lot of mucho denaros as well! So, cost is definitely Number One in my opinion. Personally I don't think weight was an issue back in mid-80s as it is today with handguns, BUT modularity IS! We didn't have optics as they do now on every platform and every configuration known to mankind, and the only optic if we did use was a night sight if at all. Even when I ETS'ed in 1993 we still did not have optics like todays Infantry units do. I also believe the M9 was chosen because of the 9mm NATO round and thus Beretta for whatever reason got the contract back then...follow the money and it will lead you to exactly why it was chosen however! I attended the Beretta Armorer school in 1992 and became well versed in the M9 as well as everything else in their arsenal at that time, so I had absolutely NO issues with the M9, and even purchased an Beretta 9mm in 92 series back then from the factory direct, and no I sold it long ago. It was in my opinion totally reliable and never seen many issues on a range during my time as an Armorer either. But your video explained the many reasons WHY the M9 was replaced and well done as well as always! Keep up the good work my friend!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very informative comment David. I suppose I’m just a nostalgic dope, but it seems sad to see the M9 relegated to the scrap pile. I think the new Sig pistols are pretty good handguns in there own right. Even so, we’re witnessing the end of an era.
@DaveG1963
2 жыл бұрын
@@hrfunk I totally agree! There is a bunch of us that are nostalgic and I ain't talking about age haha!
@briancowan4318
2 жыл бұрын
I was in the US Navy from 1980 - 2000, I qualified on the 1911A1, M9, M14 and M16A1. Even though my Grandfather and Father used the 1911, I didn't like it, basically because Navy .45's shook. rattled and rolled. The M9 was well made and easy to control. As for the rifles, my biggest complaint about the M16 was that loud recoil spring. Strange, I don't have that problem with my personal AR's. It could be because I haven't put 10000 rounds through them. I have several hammer fired 9mm's but haven't gotten a striker fired one yet. Maybe this year.
@OldVetUSN72
2 ай бұрын
1911’s were like that in 72 when I was in the navy ! lol
@mikec7478
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I wasn't in the service myself, but in chats with folks who served in the Army and Marines who used the M9 and had a negative opinion of it, most of them had served more recently and had received severely worn, poorly maintained pistols and despite their complaints about the condition of the pistols being poor, they blamed the firearm instead of effective maintenance programs -- or rather lack thereof -- for the problems they had with the pistols. This gets back to your point that when people have a negative experience with something, it's easier to fault a tangible object than it is to understand and to correct the nebulous circumstances that led to their unhappy experience.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, that maintenance deficiency is probably the biggest culprit in the reliability complaints.
@heithwatkins
2 жыл бұрын
Beretta is the best. 😁👍
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I like them too Heith.
@riderforchrist2755
2 жыл бұрын
Italian jam-a-matic
@Nostradamus_Order33
2 жыл бұрын
@@riderforchrist2755 Don’t worry. We left 90,000 M9s for the Taliban. Non will be available for the U.S. surplus market.
@riderforchrist2755
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nostradamus_Order33 ehhh if Biden gets reelected we'll be lucky to have a bb gun, and if Harris gets in after that we'll have to eat the BB gun.
@fredfreddy8684
2 жыл бұрын
Beretta is almost 500 years old. Amazing. I love my 92fs. The single action is great, but I practice with the double action too. It is so reliable. I think it's because the mag sit high in the chamber. Rounds feed almost straight into the barrel.
@tonylittle8634
2 жыл бұрын
The Beretta got a bad reputation in the 90’s from the magazines. I hated that sidearm not realizing why at the time. Now that I’m retired and aware of modern magazines, as well as modern updates to the base model, I no longer hate the M9.
@joeruiz4010
Жыл бұрын
The M9/M92 is more popular now than before.
@thomasgodfrey2014
Жыл бұрын
They tried using after market magazines. That just weren’t compatible with the m9
@jeffb9586
Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your focus friend
@david-1775
2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the grip on my 99AF. I replaced the stock wood inserts with a Pachmayr grip with the finger swells and backstrap cover. This puts the pad of my index finger right on the trigger. It is MEATY and fits my hand nicely.
@drysori
2 жыл бұрын
DA SA is the safest option between DAO, SAO and the DA SA. Think of the DA first pull the same as taking off the safety on a SA but a little faster.
@jstud999
2 жыл бұрын
Safer how? That’s not true at all. If your gun is properly holstered and you train with your gun it’s no safer than a gun with a 1lb trigger pull
@tranderrick
2 жыл бұрын
@@jstud999 safer under not ideal conditions. What you said is only safe under ideal conditions. What happens if you're shot in the leg in combat, and your buddy or medics are tearing your armor and cloths of and the gun falls out of the holster and the trigger barely brushes against something and discharges? A double action trigger is so much more unlikely to be pulled. Combat is very chaotic its not the same as conceal carry on your way to the office.
@jstud999
2 жыл бұрын
@@tranderrick the situation you described is pretty extreme and considering I’m no longer in the military wouldn’t happen
@tranderrick
2 жыл бұрын
@@jstud999 Oh i thought the video implied only military use considering its about the army's issued gun. Just a thought experiment, would you think a striker such as a glock, be suitable for a infantry handgun?
@fiveowaf454
2 жыл бұрын
@@tranderrick The DA/SA combined with the decocker with the rotating firing pin makes it a very safe gun and after firing a few shots it makes it really easy to drop the hammer and put it to a safe position. It seems many of the supposed shortcomings arise from people being unwilling to take the time to become familiar and learn how to use a firearm.
@randelclemons5798
8 ай бұрын
22 years I used the Beretta in the Corps & love it. Never had a misfire or malfunction. I own 2 & a 1911. Both are amazing platforms to use
@olgaguer6443
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for valuable information!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@jimparker7778
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, HR. All of the popular double stack guns will present the ergonomics issue for the folks who like a single stack like the 1911 (like me). I owned a Taurus copy of the M92 that was a very fine shooter, and was $150 at a gun show. Never a hiccup. I'm a Glock19 fan among the double stackers because it's so easy to train novice shooters with it. Thanks again for your videos
@michaelfay794
2 жыл бұрын
Very well put together. Points well taken. I carried the 1911 as a Military policeman. The old ball rounds. But it packed a punch. Since then I have owned a few Beretta 92s 96s and even the 85 cheetah 380. Not my only pepper is the Langdon Edition 92G. Good things never die. Thank you for your service Mr Funk.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
And yours Mr. Fay. Thanks for watching!
@GF-zh7sv
2 жыл бұрын
I love my beretta, I think polymer came a long way, but a good all steel pistol just feels great in the hand.
@shawnwells5719
Жыл бұрын
Except the Beretta isn't all steel...thankfully. If it was, it'd be a damn boat anchor.
@dancarrison9354
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the patient, detailed explanation. Now I want one! (:-)
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Ha, ha! fortunately, they are out there!
@PersonaN007Grata
Жыл бұрын
My first experience with a handgun was my dad’s blued 92F. I loved that gun. I thought it was the most beautiful gun in the world. When I got older, I purchased an M9A1. I don’t think it looks as sexy with it’s rail and candy coating. But it’s still a nice looking pistol. After a few thousand rounds, I really wanted to see if I could improve the DA/SA trigger pull and found out that you could go from the factory 20lb hammer spring to the 92D (DAO law enforcement variant) 16lb spring. What a difference! For reference, I’ve got an HK USP9 with match kit and M&P9 with an Apex trigger. Noticeably lighter DA pull and slightly lighter SA pull. I highly recommend trying it out. It’s only $3.99 at Brownells so if you don’t like it, just swap it back and you’re not out much money. Also, Langdon Tactical sells a VZ G10 Ultra-Thin LTT grip which finally made the grip comfortable for me. Not cheap! $69 but they’ve got lots of colors and personally, they’re worth every penny. Anyways, I finally love my M9A1!
@JacksonWalter735
2 жыл бұрын
I agree and you make many great points. The M9 was what they gave us when I first joined and we received the M17/M18 during my last year. I never had any issue with either one and loved both even though I know many people who served longer were unhappy with the shitty mags we were assigned for the M9. I also understand why the military decided to go with Sig's M17/M18. It's clear that we needed upgrades with something newer. The M17/M18 is polymer so it's lighter/cheaper to produce, you get the same trigger pull every time, it was made with many accessories in mind, it's modular so theoretically repairs/maintenance will be cheaper long term, and the military contract Sig won made the M17/M18 a steal. If it came down to money and you were responsible for arming more people with a high quality pistol, you'd be stupid to not choose Sig over your other options. I'm also glad Sig produces the mags for the military so hopefully we get better reliability this time around.
@danbyers8462
2 жыл бұрын
Great informative video HR. Many Seals liked the change to M9 due to magazine capacity. As they were transitioned to a much larger budget of their own and were afforded the opportunity to pick and choose their weapons many opted for (Sig, FN, and other sidearms). Mostly in 9mm as ammo was readily available in stock system. A side story: Seabees would go to the range to qualify before deployment. A Range Master (PO 1st) was receiving complaints from a Seabee that his .45 was too loose and rattled badly as he couldn't hit the target. Range Master took his 1911 and a fresh magazine and emptied the 7 rounds into his target in rapid sequence and all rounds in the 9 ring and xx. Handed it back to him, saying nothing, just walked away! Lol!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! It sounds like the pistol was OK, I wonder what was causing his inaccuracy?
@danbyers8462
2 жыл бұрын
@@hrfunk he had heard other inexperienced Seabees say that the 1911 was inaccurate because it was sloppy and rattled! Guess the Range Master blew that theory out of the water! Lol!
@Sam1628
2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t seem like the Seals liked beretta very much since they switched to the Sig P226 and then Glock instead
@danbyers8462
2 жыл бұрын
@@Sam1628 many SEALS liked the Sig better, some went with Flocks. Some preferred FNX. Most said it was what they were comfortable with depending on the mission. There was also a difference whether they were DEVGRU or regular Teams. DEVGRU had the biggest budget.
@907travelalot
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the presentation.
@hrfunk
Жыл бұрын
You're w3elcome. Thanks for watching!
@Saintlawrence100
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video…thanks…subbed.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub Gregory, and welcome aboard!
@calkig
2 жыл бұрын
I love that you touched on the parts service and maintenance. The US Army puts an extraordinarily low priority on pistol maintenance and training, even for their operations guys. The units I was at stayed on top of the maintenance cycle for our M9s and we had zero issues with function and reliability.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I pretty much suspected that.
@gameragodzilla
2 ай бұрын
One thing I do wonder is whether the 1911s were as poorly maintained as the M9s, since I would imagine the 1911s would’ve been treated the same yet there were no complaints about those guns being clapped out. In fact, the opposite happened where a lot of guys stuck with the 1911 even after the M9 was adopted.
@hrfunk
2 ай бұрын
I’ve received many complaints from veterans who were issued 1911s. A lot of them claim their pistols were worn out/poorly maintained. Apparently I was lucky. All of the 1911s I was issued were in good working order.
@gameragodzilla
2 ай бұрын
@@hrfunk Interesting. Why didn’t the 1911s get saddled with the same reputation that the M9s did?
@hrfunk
2 ай бұрын
@@gameragodzilla They did, at least with some of the people they were issued to. By that time, however, they already had about 50 years of good service.
@ave649
2 жыл бұрын
I remember the slide failures. I think too many people were firing Sub-machine gun ammo in the Beretta, which is a +P+ high pressure round. Not meant for the handgun. Operator failure not handgun failure.
@jamessexton2423
11 ай бұрын
Very informative. Thanks. great video
@hrfunk
11 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@jimsnider3828
2 жыл бұрын
After joining my local police department in the mid 90s I was issued a Beretta 92FS. I was very familiar with them as my dad had a few, and I had some mentors who were with the Indiana State Police (who issued the 92FS at the time). They are, in my opinion, very good pistols. I found it accurate, reliable, and of very good quality. Unfortunately, I also found it quite a bit heavier, ungainly, and harder for some to manipulate than other options. Great video, you continue to highlight both sides of issues and your candor is appreciated.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jim!
@stevouknow8408
2 жыл бұрын
Just remember the Beretta is one of the most accurate pistols ever made fresh out the factory. Also the Military used sub standard parts such as magazines and such. I love my Wilson Combat Beretta! I just wish when I was on active duty as a Navy Corpsman I had the modified Wilson Combat Centurion pistol.
@PaulJersey
2 жыл бұрын
I really like M9’s myself. They are accurate and soft shooters.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@Nostradamus_Order33
2 жыл бұрын
You nailed it
@ryanstucke7811
2 жыл бұрын
And they are Smexy
@PaulJersey
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanstucke7811 I agree, they are lookers!
@earlwyss520
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Taurus PT-99 in 1990 because of its similarity to the M-9 that I qualified with in the USAF. BTW I still own it.
@mikecobalt7005
2 жыл бұрын
Great Video. I started with the 1911 a pistol that was infact from the WWII era and that pistol is still in the family and it still fires very well so many years later. I started firing the 92F soon after the military began adopting it and my preference has not changed even a little. Ofcourse the 1911 is very old, but it's still (In my opinion) much more of a "Trusty, Go To" pistol over the 92F seven days a week. The Berretta has indeed had its teething issues *Over the Years it has grown to overcome and that is good, but again, I've never had even one reason to second guess that antique 1911; but that's just me :).
@gnsmk357
2 жыл бұрын
First things first. Thank you for your service. I am retired Army SF/Intell. 22yrs forced med ret. good job on the M9 issues. In the late 90s we transitioned to the sig P 226 because it was a better fit for our mission. In a word better wpn.
@3CBCO
2 жыл бұрын
Full disclosure, I've never owned the M9 and it came out after I left the Corps. I've shot many semi auto pistols, and professionally carried Sig P220 for many years. My personal opinion (and everyone has their own opinion), I have found the accuracy, dependability and simplicity of the Sig to cause me to buy a P226 and P400 Trend (AR15). This was the best videos about the conversion of the military sidearm I've seen. Great job Marine.
@tomjackson4374
2 жыл бұрын
Most if not almost all firearm designs are over 100 years old and in my mind Moses Browning created a masterpiece in the 1911 and it is still a masterpiece. I had 10, 12 and 15 round mags until California messed that up and they worked fine. They are made to carry cocked and on safety and they are ready to go with a flick of the thumb and the trigger is still one of the best. So "ok boomer' me all you want but I don't want a pistol that feels like a water pistol.
@matsparhammar3967
2 жыл бұрын
Been shooting Glocks and 2011:s for over twenty years. They both have merit. A fine tuned 19/2011 will run very good. But so will the Glock. Both will be capable of hitting small targets at 50 yds. The Glock will be cheap, and all spare parts are just drop in, while the 19/2011s will need fine tuning and gunsmithing, for example new trigger parts or a new barrel. The polymer frames will flex a bit, making them smoother to shoot. That is the reason why many 2011:s have a polymer lower today. I see the polymer Glocks as very large step in firearms development, just as the 1911 was.
@tomjackson4374
2 жыл бұрын
@@matsparhammar3967 Too light and I can take apart and replace most parts myself. There are as many or more parts for the 1911 as their are the Glock. I have a standard barrel and a 16" barrel for my 1911. That's right , I have a Buntline 1911. I know a lot of it is personal preference but I prefer a heavier pistol and I do not believe my gun is anywhere obsolete.
@matsparhammar3967
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomjackson4374 of course it isn’t obsolete. But it is much easier to maintain a Glock. All spare parts are simple drop in. Been maintaining my two 2011s and three Glocks for two decades. About 200 000 rds through them. If SHTF I will use the Glocks, no question about it. The 2011s are more for competition for me, but the Glocks do both well really well, if you manage to get proficient with the trigger pull. Love both designs.
@tomjackson4374
2 жыл бұрын
@@matsparhammar3967 I don't like light pistols. You could have a hundred Glocks, I don't care. And I can assemble and disassemble the 1911 blindfolded.
@nightboard9926
2 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of Glock fanboys in the world. I'll start this off first by saying I respect the Glock. It does what it was intended to do perfectly. Take a beating, get ignored, and still go *bang*. I do not like them. I don't like the trigger, and I don't like the way the sights line up. I can shoot them just fine, and qualify just fine, no issues: other than personal preference. My mainstay private carry is a Beretta M1951. I like the single stack mag. I like the trigger pull. I like the sights. I like the safety. I like the mag drop. Everything about this pistol is pure true love to me. On good days, I can get a consistent group at 50 yards. Bad days, I got some flyers. Personal preference and confidence. There's a reason I don't really talk about guns with my co-workers. My SKS is a "Piece of shit!", even though I put the same groups on paper as they do with optics. Anything that isn't a glock is a "Waste of money!". I even made the thorny mistake of mentioning I practice shooting a one handed bladed stance, and somtimes practice shooting the arms, and heads of my targets, and they practically skinned me alive on the spot. Everyone trains to shoot "center mass", well, what happens when you take that center mass away, or cut that center mass in half? Makes me think of the video of that Correctional Officer that flawlessly disarms a robber at a gas station, clears the pistol, and...... hands it back to the robber. Training is good, but in my opinion, Practice is better. Carry what you practice, and practice for every situation.
@DadHominem
Ай бұрын
2 years later, this is still an excellent, informative video. As a long time 1911 shooter, I was issued a DA/SA pistol (S&W 59) when I began working patrol in early 1980's. I bought an M9 for personal use after the military adopted them, and after using two different versions, I can understand where the transition from DA to SA mode during shooting requires quite a bit of training to master, particularly when compared to a SAO pistol. Still, this is an ingenious design by Beretta, and the updated models are even better. I no longer own one, but I hope this design continues to improve and never goes away. This would be one of my top 5 "SHTF" guns, if I were to recommend a list of them.
@Shane-sf9pv
2 жыл бұрын
I served 2011-2016 in USMC FAST company security forces, so I was able to get my pistol qual as a PFC, since you don’t need to be a staff NCO to carry pistols in most security forces MOS’s. I absolutely loved using the M9, so much that I bought a 92 when I got out. I will say though, I never got to try the 1911 as it was phased out by the time I enlisted. Thanks for your video!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome Shane, and Semper Fi!
@frequentfiler
2 жыл бұрын
The slide breakage issue is explainable. At Ft Lewis, an MP Company drew 9MM ammunition for range qual. The ammo point issued the usual ammo- 124gr SUBMACHINE GUN ammo. Why? Previously, only the Ranger Batt on post drew 9MM ammo - for their MP-5's. Multiple slide breakages occurred that day.
@uni4rm
2 жыл бұрын
The real reason is that someone wanted to make a ton of money, as the military didn't NEED to replace the entire system. The only real drawback is its size and weight, which honestly helps with accuracy when firing the weapon. The Sig, despite being a newer design, only weighs a few ounces less which would immediately be negated adding optics. Beretta makes the smaller Cheetah (Serie 80) in double-stack 380, so it could likely handle modifying that design for the 9mm, so I don't know why the M9 was adopted in the first place as big as it is, as the Cheetah has been around since the 70's and weighs almost 10oz less than the M9.. This is really the only issue, everything else is just sounds like whining and refusing to adhere to training.
@jimoday2078
2 жыл бұрын
great presentation! I understand much better, now. Consensus is hard to get these days.
@dalefisk7667
2 жыл бұрын
"Guns like the Beretta with no ability to mount an optic." Ernest Langdon, "Hold my beer."
@smlee7348
2 жыл бұрын
M9-92FS....Walther P38 genes....smooth as silk....Diehard-Lethal weapon....infamous nipple-tip silhouette....I love it....sammy
@joshportelli
4 ай бұрын
Wow, I learned alot. I think all your reasons are SPOT ON. Also, New management always thinks they have to change everything to do better. Feelings and saving a buck are 99% of any organization's decisions (military, business, etc.)
@hrfunk
4 ай бұрын
Thanks. Just to clarify, these were not my reasons. They are the reasons/comments I’ve been hearing from others for a long time.
@richvest7212
5 ай бұрын
Thanks ,you are the most reasonable truthful gun tuber
@hrfunk
5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS
2 жыл бұрын
Howard, I am looking forward to it. I am not sure why they dropped the Beretta a pistol that served me well in COMBAT & PEACE TIME in the US. ARMY INFANTRY for many years, as well as 1911 .45, did in years past . I must say I like the Sig pistol they are using today also. I carried the Beretta 92 FS & 92FS Compact as a Peace Officer, I handed them down to my son as the Springfield Armory XD .45 Tactical 5.25, XDM OSP 9MM 4.5", XDM OSP ELITE 9MM,& Springfield Armory Hell Cat 9mm are the only thing I carry for the defense today. I suspect some D-RAT politician sold out Beretta in our corrupt society FOR $$$ , I am surprised our pistol Today didn't come from CCP CHINA!
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Be careful Rick, who knows where our next weapon system might come from.
@LUVDOGS1954
2 жыл бұрын
hrfunk sold me on The Hellcat, now a pretty much EDC for me 8 months of the year. The other months a 1911 or Hi Power. For the Hellcat, hrfunk also sold me on the DeSantis Criss Cross holster, and excellent way to carry.
@tenguken847
2 жыл бұрын
My childhood friends, have experienced others, breaking their triggers on their m4's, by not disengaging the safety, when confronted with immediate deadly contact...my only fear would be, that the same 'may' happen with the new Sig, if the safety is not disengaged...under duress you will use more force than you may believe you would🙏
@FreeAmerican-mm2my
Жыл бұрын
I was in the Army when we converted from the 1911 to the M9. There was a lot of trash talk about the M9 initially, but once we became familiar with them, they became liked.
@hrfunk
Жыл бұрын
I think that’s true in other branches too. It seems like most of the complaints didn’t really start until around the beginning of the GWOT. I’m not sure why that is.
@rickskeptical
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the huge reply. I was an active duty AF weapons instructor when we switched to the M9. A coworker participated in the weapon trials. He was not fond of the Beretta but said it outperformed the others in the test criteria. Your analysis on why people didn't like it was spot on (foreign company, wrong brand, etc...). I taught/managed AF weapons training M1911/Model 15/M9 for 20 years. I taught M9 basic marksmanship with the Navy for over 10 years. I currently work as an armorer for a military training unit still using M9s. With the M9s, we are getting more and more cracked receivers. We also frequently have cracked slide rails and regular replacement of other parts. Just guessing here, but I imagine that, at a point, repair costs vs moving on to an newer model are probably taken into consideration. And I can imagine that multiple contracts issued to the same company may not have the best PR results. I like the M9, but students with weak/small hands have problems. Grip size is problematic for manipulation. Unintentionally engaging the safety is common. DA/SA trigger pull has been a problem. I have seen quite a few students who basically threw away the double action shot and focused hard on the single action to pass. Others simply could not manage the transition and were too forceful on SA. Not a desirable/safe outcome. Most basics trainees we see today have no experience shooting anything and are quite afraid. I know that services differ here but with we had one day (classroom + dry fire) to train someone with absolutely no shooting experience. Maybe 1% mastered the DA/SA difference in trigger control and all of those had previous experience shooting. This difficulty is one thing that most of the instructors we work with look forward to leaving behind. When you are expected to take someone who is afraid to shoot and have basically one day of class and dry fire to get them to master the DA/SA difference, it just doesn't happen. Loved the M1911, liked the M9 but looking forward to seeing something else also. Spot on with the analysis of the gun though. Great video. Thanks, just subscribed.
@hrfunk
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comment, thanks for the sub, and welcome aboard!
@DrumandPianoDude
2 жыл бұрын
The last police department I worked for issued the Beretta 92D Centurion in DAO. My biggest issue was the locking lug just under the chamber of the barrel. They had a tendency to fracture and lock up the pistol. Being a DAO, I didn't have to worry about that horrible slide mounted safety. A minor issue was the large grip frame and having the trigger set so far forward...I did manage to adjust. The DAO trigger was close to 11lbs.
@DonziGT230
Жыл бұрын
The Beretta has been my go-to for decades, the double action first shot is one of the reasons I like it so much.
@raptorkravmaga9977
Жыл бұрын
The Beretta is the best design ever made.
@DonziGT230
Жыл бұрын
@@raptorkravmaga9977 If that were true they'd own the market instead of being behind so many others. It's a great gun, but best is a hell of a stretch.
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