What in the bloody hell was that demented laugh from hell.
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons they call me Nurd :)
@savasemanuel4541
7 жыл бұрын
muhahahah?
@Gh0stClown
7 жыл бұрын
It is my experience that at least 3/5 of all chemists are pure evil.
@savasemanuel4541
7 жыл бұрын
that was a question thus making me not evil
@savasemanuel4541
7 жыл бұрын
proove it
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
I'm taking my time to make sure the sodium extraction video comes out perfect, there are lots of variables i want to optimize first. So it likely won't be the next immediate video, but the video after. For certain i'll have sodium extraction released this month.
@ChristopherFelicitas
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage i love you :*
@user21XXL
7 жыл бұрын
Hi NR, could this be used similar to Cesium chloride / lithium destylation setup or its far too likely to go nuclear? Edit: this crums, do they smell like amonia when you dump them in wather?
@qwertyqwerty-cx8qn
7 жыл бұрын
sorry. another language. I did not understand. Than you washed metal sodium? From pollution (from slag)?
@aposvlah1855
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage all oxidation reaction produce flames?
@qwertyqwerty-cx8qn
7 жыл бұрын
apos vlah Than it To wash off metal sodium from the slag? after receiving. Tell me please. I do not understand.
@vector8310
3 жыл бұрын
Really became one of my fav channels. I like that you always feature simulating reactions while always including the nuts and bolts chemistry.
@Tgernos
7 жыл бұрын
nice video, i recently just began my Chemistry studium in switzerland alway's great to see new stuff from your channel
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@frankium264
7 жыл бұрын
I've done this before and substituted KOH in place of NaOH. The hydrogen flamethrower is a beautiful shade of purple and the resulting MgO/K aggregate is quite explosive, it often detonates instantly on contact with water
@adrianhenle
7 жыл бұрын
Ever try it with lithium? There's a reaction that haunts me from my graduate studies, for which a fine dispersion of lithium would have been an absolute god-send.
@frankium264
7 жыл бұрын
Adrian Henle it will probably work. I can do a bit of math to see if the reaction is still thermodynamically favorable. As for the materials, I can test it. I've got plenty of Mg powder and I can easily convert my LiCl to LiOH though electrolysis in solution. I'll let you know if it works. EDIT: I'll record it on video if it does
@adrianhenle
7 жыл бұрын
The numbers work out okay; less energetic than with sodium, but not by a prohibitive amount.
@frankium264
7 жыл бұрын
Adrian Henle alright good, I'll need to electrolyze LiCl solution since I don't happen to have LiOH on hand. It will take time. I'm definitely curious to see if this method of reduction works on lithium. Li is an even stronger reducing agent than Na or even Cs (I've seen Li used to reduce Cs). This leads me to believe that Li+ is the hardest metal ion reduce. I think this is due to its electron configuration. Upon losing an electron, it gets the most stable electron configuration on the periodic table: 1s2, the electron configuration of helium, the least reactive element. Anyways, I'm definitely curious to see if it will work (I think it will). The bright red hydrogen flame will certainly look cool!
@frankium264
7 жыл бұрын
Alright, I've tried electrolysis of LiCl solution to convert it to LiOH. It works, as evidenced by the raised pH, however, I only have access to Ni and Cu wire, both of which converted to hydroxides, oxides and chlorides, resulting in both a solid and dissolved transition metal impurity. I have no good way to remove these impurities and the electrodes dissolve rather quickly. I'll have to just order LiOH and wait for it to ship in, then I can see if Mg can reduce it
@snowdaysrule
6 жыл бұрын
I gave this reaction a try tonight (but on a 1/3rd scale) and used a steel can and instead of a stone block as a lid I used a metal disk with a diameter a few mm smaller than the can that could be placed inside of the can directly on top of the reactants. The disk would be able to lift up slightly as the hydrogen blasted by and then lay flat again to keep oxygen off of things after the reaction was done. Instead of using sparklers as the ignighter I attached the steel can to a long pole using a metal coat hanger and as a heat source I held the can in the flames of a campfire we were having in the backyard. Heating everything in the fire got all the reactants heated up to reaction temp at the same time, so when the reaction kicked off the hydrogen flame that followed was really impressive! The reaction was over in a matter of seconds and everything was going great until it came time to get the hot metal can somewhere safe to cool down. I accidentally disturbed the metal disk for a few seconds allowing oxygen to get into the can and proceeded to see some bright orange glowing which to me was definitely not magnesium but sodium unfortunately. So I have a good feeling that I may have burned up all the sodium I worked so hard to make. Will update after some testing but am feeling pretty bummed for now :/
@vector8310
3 жыл бұрын
I know this was 3 years ago but I think I will profit from your observations as I attempt the experiment myself soon enough. Thanks for sharing.
@Speeder84XL
7 жыл бұрын
Very nice! Sodium isn't that hard to get - but the problem is to keep it away from the air. This seemed to work well (it's so quick that it doesn't have much time to react with the air, before cools down)
@detritus10001
6 жыл бұрын
I love these "mad scientist" types on here. God bless you for educating and entertaining at the self same time.
@thesollylama130
7 жыл бұрын
Just did this reaction and it worked great. Really good yield but I had a good amount of unreacted magnesium powder left in the can. I had fine powder of both ingredients and mixed them well. Still, excellent way to get sodium to toss into water for demonstrations. Thank you Nurdrage.
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
oh you're going to love the follow up video "make sodium without electrolysis" where i extend this concept and actually get pure sodium metal.
@decompiler7726
7 жыл бұрын
I love the maniacal laugh at 1:55
@phaniemarie83
7 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your videos but this one had me in stitches. Love to see some fun mixed in with education.
@AussieChemist
7 жыл бұрын
That sounds the laugh from a crazy evil scientist, the same laugh I got when I made nitroglycerin ( by the way can it be used in birch reduction?)
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
I think it can be used for birch reduction, but since there is lot's of magnesium oxide as well as iron particles (from the steel can) it may interfere with very sensitive reactions. Then there is the problem of getting the side products out. But if you're chemistry is robust and you're willing to put in the work, go for it.
@AussieChemist
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the answer, I thought Senpai would never notice me. Yeah I guess I'll give it a go, since I have all the precursor on hands.
@elnombre91
7 жыл бұрын
Aussie Chemist my main concern with using it for the Birch reduction is will you be able to know exactly the amount of sodium per gram? Or is it analogous to using something like potassium graphite?
@AussieChemist
7 жыл бұрын
by controlling the amount of Mg and NaOH that start with the rough amount of Na can be estimated, like you said, it would not be exact. but since Na is used to release free electrons, as long as that being achieved i dont see there is a major problem there. as free electrons are key to the birch reduction, Like NR mentioned it can be a problem to remove the desirable product from the messy mixture. since i have all the precursors, it not like I have to especially buy the chemicals, so I guess i will give it a go anyway, I mean why not.
@elnombre91
7 жыл бұрын
Aussie Chemist I mean yeah I see no reason why it wouldn't work (the Birch reduction is a key step in the synthesis of one of my precursors I use in my PhD so I'm quite familiar with it) but you may end up with incomplete reduction due to the imprecise stoichiometry. Also for substrates that could be over-reduced that may be a problem if you unknowingly add too much sodium.
@ThePaintballgun
7 жыл бұрын
You always put out the most helpful videos right when i need them...
@a.a.g.7671
3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who cracked up everytime the narrator goes to MWAHAHAHAA. Lmaooooooo
@hrox112
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched this so many times and every time without fail I crack up haha
@BurntFaceMan
7 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the next video. Sodium is very useful interested to see the results.
@BruceVieiraLopes_is_awesome
7 жыл бұрын
Muahahahaha
@vivekkumarsingh4226
7 жыл бұрын
Bruce Vieira Lopes muahahaha
@TheGayestPersononYouTube
7 жыл бұрын
While I do love me some political and social commentary channels here on the youtubes - channels like yours are by *far* my favorite. I guess as the kids say nowadays, "you're my spirit animal."
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
Why thank you!
@gigglysamentz2021
7 жыл бұрын
If I wanna do it, what precautions do I need ? :D So big brick on can shielded with some bricks. Fire extinguisher nearby. Outside. In a lab coat. With specs on. And a camera.
@adrianhenle
7 жыл бұрын
Can this be done with lithium hydroxide? I had to do a reaction (repeatedly) in grad school that needed lithium metal, but the product would coat the surface (stalling the reaction). I tried to make a fine lithium dispersion by melting the metal into paraffin and... it didn't go well. Something like this could have been pretty useful.
@social3ngin33rin
7 жыл бұрын
can't wait for the next vid
@lstein8670
7 жыл бұрын
could you also do this with postassium hydroxide to form potassium metal?
@louistournas120
3 жыл бұрын
The important part is at 2 min 19 s 2 Na + 2 H2O -> NaOH + H2 Entropy of formation = -427 kJ/mol 2 Mg + O2 -> 2MgO Entropy of formation = -601.8 kJ/mol
@joeestes8114
7 жыл бұрын
You should make a video on distillation of cesium!
@jaysonlorenzon88
7 жыл бұрын
love your channel Mr. Rage
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@zock4419
7 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could spoiler a little aspect of the soudium purification : How good is the yield ?
@dexterrius
7 жыл бұрын
nice, but what if you tried Na2O made from Na2CO3 by thermal decomposition? to use less magnesium...
@garycard1456
7 жыл бұрын
Is NurdRage the God of Hellfire? When I heard him laugh as the redox mix reacted and gushed out those orange sodium flares, the 1968 Arthur Brown song came into my head.
@danxepha4535
7 жыл бұрын
Been subscribed for a couple of years now and still don't know if he's a giant or not.
@choppergamer
7 жыл бұрын
your laugh is fine,i dont know what's with the weirdos who says it isn't
@ShroomLab
7 жыл бұрын
Considering only the emthalpy of formation aluminium would be even better
@jaimecarvalho3000
7 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to replace the magnesium metal for aluminum in this reaction and yet produce sodium metal?
@edi9892
7 жыл бұрын
AFAI can remember yes. You can look at redox potential charts.
@heisenbergstayouttamyterri1508
2 жыл бұрын
Might be! However it is very dangerous!! Coz highly pure NaOH and Al already reacts in the presence of moisture to form explosive H2 and generates a lot of heat!!!
@EvocativeKitsune
7 жыл бұрын
I believe Cody used a similar method to isolate Cesium from its salt using Lithium metal. Maybe the Sodium can be separated by melting or boiling it off? Great vid.
@EvocativeKitsune
7 жыл бұрын
Never mind. Just saw the rest.
@rayhutchings7
7 жыл бұрын
well done!
@thesentientneuron6550
5 жыл бұрын
What if you used sodium chloride instead of sodium hydroxide? You would produce MgCl2 + Na aggregate. The MgCl2 could perhaps be dissolved away in ethanol, leaving you with reasonably pure sodium metal that you can then aggregate into a single clump if you need to.
@NurdRage
5 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't work. In anycase, the problem has already been solved, search for "Make sodium with domestically available chemicals"
@danielmccarthy572
7 жыл бұрын
dude, love your channel. can you do something similar for lithium extraction? maybe with LiOH? we need a lithium source...
@mazmirzakhani4217
6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos mate great job! got couple of question..when you say Aggregate is that mean different to actual chemical compound? do you know if I make a powder out of these does Aggregate would it dissolve (or Solute) in Diethelyn carbonate or Propylene carbonate organic solvent? Thank you for your help
@doesitcrush2093
7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@zxcvbob
7 жыл бұрын
I came here from your other video where you extract and purify the sodium, but this seemed like a better place to ask this question. Will aluminum work instead of magnesium? Aluminum is much more easily attainable, and if I understood the part about enthalpy of formation, aluminum might even work better. Thanks for a very interesting video series :)
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
It works. but i haven't fully explored how good the extraction is. By all means give it a try if you already have aluminum powder.
@raifparker3990
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage could it work with aluminum swarf? like shavings from foil or cans?
@allaheadflank3213
6 жыл бұрын
If anyone can give some advice with an issue I'm having with this reaction, it would be very much appreciated. So, when I run through the process, everything goes well and actually runs decently smooth. But, when it's all "finished", I wait a few minutes and then proceed to take the brick off the top, only to find that a burning hot piece of either magnesium metal or the aggregate reacting with the moisture in the air sparks whatever magnesium remains to spontaneously ignite again. This then cuts my yield as the sodium metal already in the can is oxidized due to contact with the air. I'm not sure at all why this happens as I mix my turnings and hydroxide very intimately.
@heisenbergstayouttamyterri1508
2 жыл бұрын
I tried to make Potassium-MgO aggregate and same thing happens! I reckon we should sloghtly move move the lid and cover the inside of can with mineral oil so nothing comes to contact with air! However it’s just a guess!
@procactus9109
7 жыл бұрын
This one looks doable in the backyard :)
@fieroboom
3 жыл бұрын
So since Potassium Hydroxide's enthalpy of formation (-425.8 kJ/mol) is very close to Sodium Hydroxide's, could this also work to create Potassium metal in the same method? 🤔
@heisenbergstayouttamyterri1508
2 жыл бұрын
I did that! It works! However there’s a drawback with potassium! The product Potassium-Mgo aggregate is Pyrophoric!!! So it catches fire immediately if it is exposed to even small amount of air!!!
@markyoung1816
6 жыл бұрын
Why not ignite the magnesium by hearing the can with the torch? Could you fill the can with an inert gas to raise the yield?
@oliverkenwood716
7 жыл бұрын
Wll you ever revisit the method of produing Na metal by heating Mg and NaOH under mineral oil with alhohol catalyst?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
only if i get it work. I never have.
@faaf42
7 жыл бұрын
@nurdrage I don't know if you take "free requests" but it might be interesting to see if you could metal coat plastic (mirror on a plastic for example). Thanks for the entertaining content!
@TheBackyardChemist
7 жыл бұрын
Technically, the enthalpy of formation argument is incomplete. For one, reactions are driven by free enthalpy, not enthalpy, and second just because the formation one of the products is favorable, it does not automatically mean the entire reaction is overall favorable. The entropy term is especially important here, because one of your products is a gas, and the temperature is rather high.
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
trying to keep this digestible for the amateur. If i wanted to be pedantic i'd fry you for this line: > reactions are driven by free enthalpy, not enthalpy, actually it's "Gibbs free energy" not free enthalpy. :)
@aposvlah1855
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage i am student of chemistry 1 st year and free gibbs energy is that reaction itself doesnt need energy but produces products alone?
@TheBackyardChemist
7 жыл бұрын
That is understandable, the accessibility vs. depth of videos targeting (semi-)amateurs is a careful balancing act. You are right about the Gibbs free energy, it seems to be the accepted term in the majority of the english literature. In my native language we use "free enthalpy" to refer to the Gibbs free energy, and to distinguish it from the Helmholtz free energy. This alternative name for the Gibbs free energy is especially prevalent in Germany and other parts of Europe.
@renanocsso
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage that was the best laugh ever muahahaha
@gugumarzullo
7 жыл бұрын
Why haven't you used iron insted of magnesium since Fe2O3 has a higher ΔH than MgO?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
there are three oxygen atoms in ferric oxide
@bartoszbarejko1585
7 жыл бұрын
How would the Sodium metal react in 60% Hydrogen in peroxides ????????. I am making at the reactive steam turbine so it might help.
@thatplane3865
7 жыл бұрын
You deserve more subs Dr. Lithium. Also is there a way to obtain crude indium metal from the oxide layer on phones?
@TheBackyardChemist
7 жыл бұрын
The amount of indium on ITO glass is extremely miniscule. You would be better of buying old CPUs, and harvesting the low-melting alloys used to solder the IHS to the silicon die.
@thatplane3865
7 жыл бұрын
TheBackyardChemist Thank you very much . Is it just me or is this one of the only places to get real science on KZitem other than a few others like cody's lab. By the way I love your name
@sbeverunner6083
4 жыл бұрын
Would aluminium be possible to use? If not, what about mgal?
@alexschmidig4332
7 жыл бұрын
so cool
@anthonyzouras8017
10 ай бұрын
could this be used for Dieckmann condensation?
@JoakimfromAnka
3 жыл бұрын
Is there any risk that the can could explode from the pressure of burning hydrogen inside it when you have a heavy object on the top?
@GarryBoyer
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't commercially-available sodium hydroxide usually a monohydrate? If you want a cleaner result you might want to dehydrate it first by heating it. Or you can, I suppose, use an excess of magnesium: 2NaOH*H2O + 4Mg --> 4MgO + 3H2 + 2Na. BTW, since sodium's boiling point is only 821C, it is very likely the flame is substantially sodium vapor -- explaining why it has the telltale sodium yellow-orange color vs the more red-orange hydrogen color.
@GarryBoyer
2 жыл бұрын
And while sodium metal is itself cool, giant sodium vapor flames are even more cool. I threw only 12 grams of magnesium into molten sodium hydroxide in my home furnace... and it's scary fun. kzitem.info6WBh4gsFrcg
@NurdRage
2 жыл бұрын
> Isn't commercially-available sodium hydroxide usually a monohydrate? No
@HomemadeChemistry
7 жыл бұрын
Can this aggregate be used together with cesium chloride to distill off pure Cesium Metal?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
yup, go for it.
@HomemadeChemistry
7 жыл бұрын
This is great news, I´m really having a hard time collecting enough sodium metal with the molten sodium hydroxide electrolysis method.Thank's a lot!
@16ORLvc
7 жыл бұрын
This reaction works with aluminium too, but my yield is always terrible. Not sure if because the sodium dissolves in the Al or it is lost as a gas.
@user-py9cy1sy9u
7 жыл бұрын
NaAlO2
@16ORLvc
7 жыл бұрын
wwwelkam Well, if you remove the water properly, you should only produce a little bit of NaAlO2, but indeed it can lower the yield
@martinocko9
6 жыл бұрын
can you try making naoh from nacl using cody's method
@omarvela3154
4 жыл бұрын
will this reaction work for potassium the enthalpy of formation is almost exactly the same for potassium hydroxide as sodium hydroxide
@Gir547777
7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't this also work to produce potassium since the enthalpy of formation for KOH is nearly the same as for NaOH?
@tuongha2462
5 жыл бұрын
Who love this moment 2:57
@sinecurve9999
7 жыл бұрын
You have a great evil scientist laugh there, NurdRage. :D
@IljasMS
7 жыл бұрын
Here i am, still waiting for the lead dioxide electrodes video...
@metalhead0jtk
7 жыл бұрын
0:32 What did you do to that beaker? It's all sagged and wobbly, must have been some high temperature, haha.
@screengames5307
7 жыл бұрын
He probably did the aggregate in the beaker before recording 😃
@agilelynx2008
5 жыл бұрын
Can we use another source of ignition other than fuse or sparklers(say, for example match stick)?
@heisenbergstayouttamyterri1508
2 жыл бұрын
You can use a burning Mg ribbon! Just ignite it and drop it into the Mg-KOH mixture and quikly close the mouth with a brick!
@yusefdanielhassounharmouch1520
6 жыл бұрын
Can you use magnesium supplements? Oh and, where can i buy firestarters?
@psirvent8
7 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't the sodium burn from the hydrogen flames during the reaction ?
@davelowe1977
7 жыл бұрын
psirvent8 There's no oxygen in the 'reaction vessel' (the can).
@ChemExLK
7 жыл бұрын
Can we make potassium metal from this method ?
@barrysears510
4 жыл бұрын
Can you use magnesium sulphate?
@higorguedes4413
7 жыл бұрын
Isn't possible to distill the sodium to obtain the pure metal?? And if i do it under an inert atmosphere, like argon?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
its possible... but WAAAAYYY beyond the amateur. inert gas high temperature distillation isn't even practiced regularly by professionals.
@unreachablechemistry5105
7 жыл бұрын
Well in ultra small scale I think it wouldn't be that hard, wouldn't even need an inert atmosphere. A retort built from a small steel vessel with copper pipe attached to it would do the trick. Even in a very small scale it would need a decent flame though. Might be hard to do without an oxy-acetylene torch or similar. Some of the sodium would be lost due to atmospheric oxygen, but oxygen would quickly get used up from inside the vessel, and the sodium would condense in the tube (that could lead directly into a collection flask with mineral oil). Somewhat tricky though, and in a larger scale electrolysis is much easier.
@user-py9cy1sy9u
7 жыл бұрын
Hey NurdRage have you seen "Making Cesium on a Barbecue!" video by Thunderf00t? That setup doesnt look too complicated and since Na3N decomposes at ~87 C pure nitrogen atmosphere could be used instead of argon
@TheBackyardChemist
7 жыл бұрын
I would be rather reluctant to heat a primary high explosive azide, just to get some nitrogen. Also for the amateur chemist it is probably easier to get a cylinder of pure argon from a welding gas supplier, than to get (or make) sodium azide. BTW sodium azide is also extremely toxic, it is comparable to sodium cyanide.
@screengames5307
7 жыл бұрын
Just buy the sodium if you're going to do that much effort for it. Or, maybe do electrolysis of molten NaCl and get sodium metal that way.
@reak514
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage how much platinum would be on 10 kg of catalytic converter? BTW I'm not sharing.
@xdoods
7 жыл бұрын
Could this process be used to make other alkaline metal aggregates? Like using potassium hydroxide to make a potassium aggregate.
@raifparker3990
7 жыл бұрын
SebastianScarlet yes. but the resulting aggregate is highly explosive on contact with water. explodes almost instantly
@isumkurunayakage9314
7 жыл бұрын
can we use mg ribbon?
@heisenbergstayouttamyterri1508
2 жыл бұрын
I used Mg ribbon and it worked!!!
@landonmiller338
5 жыл бұрын
Does magnesium oxide work as a substitute? If not, is a chemistry supplier my only option for pure magnesium?
@astralchemistry8732
7 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for the evil laughter! I actually think about dissolving the sodium out with liquid ammonia, decanting from the magnesium oxide and then evaporating the ammonia. But I dont think it will work because there might be enough iron to completely catalalyze the conversion of the sodium to sodium amide...
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
yeah, there is a lot of iron in here from the steel can. It's less than a percent, but more than enough to start catalytic conversion of sodium amide. don't worry though, have a workable separation method.
@astralchemistry8732
7 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to that method. Keep up the good work!
@karolus28
2 жыл бұрын
cool
@nikoskaravitakis9437
7 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that you Can you distill the sodium metal from the MgO at Very High temperatures in a stainless steel retort and collect the dripping sodium metal in a can
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
While sodium distillation would work, it's incredibly hard, labor intensive and dangerous. at the end of the month i'll show how to get the sodium out at very mild conditions.
@nikoskaravitakis9437
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply.Im actually making a stainless steel distillation apparatus for making cesium metal and it will also use a steady flow of argon gas in order to displace the oxygen both in the reaction vessel and also in the collection vessel .Cant wait for your next video !.Also i wanted to ask if you have thought on making a fluorine electrolysis cell to make fluorine gas .
@hypnosstratagem1277
7 жыл бұрын
This can be used alongside an alcohol to make an alkoxide-can't it?
@adrianhenle
7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, but you could also just deprotonate the alcohol with the sodium hydroxide and call it a day, especially if your application allows for a water impurity.
@hypnosstratagem1277
7 жыл бұрын
I actually don't think that NaOH will react with an alcohol (say ethanol) to make an alkoxide. The pka of the resulting conjugate acid would be lower than that of the acid in the reaction.
@adrianhenle
7 жыл бұрын
But the concentration of the alcohol is so much higher, the equilibrium shifts. The recipe for "base bath" is KOH and ethanol, and that stuff will dissolve Pyrex. Now, if you boiled it off, I don't know if you'd get alkoxide or inorganic hydroxide, but in solution it works well enough.
@Gaark
7 жыл бұрын
flames!! NYAH AH AH AHH AHH
@ogmog
7 жыл бұрын
What's going on with the VO? A lot of words are just garbled and glitched. Why is it so heavily processed?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
thats very strange, thanks for bringing it to my attention, i'll see what i can do.
@ogmog
7 жыл бұрын
Ok cool :) Hope you find out what's going wrong.
@jaredgarden2455
7 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing Nighthawks video a few years back but it never occurred to me to use the magnesium oxide sodium mixture just as is for drying. Do you think it would be alright to use this aggregate for drying of the reagents for a grignard reaction like diethyl ether or THF and a ketone/aldehyde and an alkyl halide, i don't think there would be any way for the magnesium oxide to react with any of these but i thought it might be smart to ask before making the foolish mistake of assuming it will; and then screwing up a grignard reaction one day.
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
yes, you can use it to dry ether and THF. But you can't use it for ketone or alkyl halides, because the sodium will react. This is true for pure sodium as well.
@kwood94xj
7 жыл бұрын
I have been thinking of possible separation techniques for this. Since the melting point of sodium is only 208F you could put the mixture on a beaker and cover it with oil then heat the oil to 230ish causing it to melt and separate based on densities Would this work?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
i show it right in the video that it didn't work.
@kwood94xj
7 жыл бұрын
If you used a solvent with a higher density than that of sodium It may still work. Sodium is 0.968 g/cm3 Xylene is 0.864 g/mL and MgO is 3.58 g/cm3 If you had a solvent with a density of around 2 g/mL It may still work. Glycerine Might work but im not sure of its reactivity with sodium.
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
Let me know if you can find a solvent with that density and that doesn't react with sodium.
@Farneze1990
7 жыл бұрын
Nurdrage, is it possible to melt this NaMgO aggregate under mineral oil, and separate the Sodium from Magnesium Oxide, like they do when cleaning Sodium metal?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
i tried that, fails miserably, the sodium sticks to the magnesium oxide and never separates. Don't worry, i'm working on a video where i am successful, but it's not as straightforward.
@BanBangDS
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage Have you seen Nighthawkinlight's method of a layer of oil and water which seperates the mixture?
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
BanBangDS: Nope, I completely ignored it and made up the procedure i showed in the video at 4:04 then i falsely attributed it to him and linked him in the video description. eheheheh.
@nicolasmurg9877
10 ай бұрын
1:55
@jmpattillo
7 жыл бұрын
Could you use the aggregate to kill the Horror at a Party Beach?
@homealchemy
7 жыл бұрын
Sparkler can’t ignite the reaction. I tried at least three times. I used mg turning and theses are hard to ignite. Should I used mg ribbon?
@OccyDaBoss
4 жыл бұрын
I'm having the same problem. I will try mg ribbon to see if it works
@heisenbergstayouttamyterri1508
2 жыл бұрын
@@OccyDaBoss I used Mg ribbon and it worked!!!
@CHodeslol
7 жыл бұрын
Would this be possible to do in your backyard or would it be more suited towards an even bigger open area? I have the ingredients lying around and am curious about trying this but my main concern is the hydrogen gas. How long does it take to dissipate, if at all? I've looked around online but can't find a concrete answer. I just don't want to try it only to find out that it takes forever to dissipate and that I've gassed my neighbor's pets in their backyard lol
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
i did it my backyard, the smoke cloud is annoying though. It's pretty dense, but passes by in a minute. Only really anal retentive neighbors are angry about it.
@CHodeslol
7 жыл бұрын
NurdRage Duly noted! A minute is not too bad, I was assuming much longer. I can definitely work with that. I do however live down the street from a member of the city council haha so better safe than sorry! It's in the name of science! ...But that won't save me from a lawsuit :P Thanks for the quick response and help, it's much appreciated!
@martinofgliwice1486
7 жыл бұрын
What if I used sodium carbonate?
@antswift1250
7 жыл бұрын
1:56 why does that look like a stove and can i cook with it
@gigglysamentz2021
7 жыл бұрын
2:24 Let the knowledge cool before handling it ? OuQ
@dustinbarks435
11 ай бұрын
How do u isolate sodium hydroxide from the drain cleaner been trying to google it but it keeps trying to give me directions on how to use it lol
@mystermisterairy6257
7 ай бұрын
Buy the correct drain cleaner. There are many types, the ones he is referring to are 100% sodium hydroxide. If your cleaner has it as well as a bunch of other ingredients, then you need to find another one to use. The pure chemical can be bought cheap and legally online
@twocvbloke
7 жыл бұрын
I want flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaames!!! :D
@planetoidpluto154
4 жыл бұрын
Where can I dispose of the aggregate?
@nerfinator6
4 жыл бұрын
add water to kill the sodium, then add vinegar/hcl to make NaCl + MgCl2 or the acetate salts, both are safe to put down the drain
@isumkurunayakage9314
7 жыл бұрын
can put potassium hydroxide instead sodium hydroxide??
@elephystry
7 жыл бұрын
isum kurunayakage I don't see why not
@isumkurunayakage9314
7 жыл бұрын
thanks
@NurdRage
7 жыл бұрын
yep! just be VERY careful, potassium may spontaneously catch fire since it's more reactive and finely dispersed here.
@unreachablechemistry5105
7 жыл бұрын
A very neat video. Got me thinking, KZitem user myst32YT has a great video about making sodium peroxide. Could this aggregate be used to make very dirty mixture of MgO, sodium oxide and sodium peroxide? (Any formed magnesium peroxide would probably decompose at the temperature needed to form sodium peroxide...)
@mmmhorsesteaks
7 жыл бұрын
It looks kind of blue on the video. Anyone any ideas?
@cikif
7 жыл бұрын
#HAYIR
@nowar9220
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt it be way better to just run a vacuum in a retort and slowly heat it to avoid the losses in hydrogen ignition, sodium combustion and evaporative losses all together? Just distill over the sodium und3r vacuum as the temp slowly rises, under a decent enough vacuum it should come over around 400 - 500c which is just on stqinless steel turning a slight glow just visible. Which isnt hard for the amatuer to achieve, magnesium can be replaced with aluminium at the cost of a few hundred degrees c and probably some yield also im guessing.. The menthol method being an absolute hit and miss, soo many failures reported, the naoh must be fresh, dry uncontaminated indefinitely! The magnesium must be 99.9% and freshly cut to avoid oxidation, mineral oil must be pure and contain no additives, fragrance from baby oil may be ok but it may effect coalescence its just unknown.. All these variables so when theres a failure and sodium gets produced aufficiently but only micro balls are visible and sodium particles too small to identify theres so many variables that can be the failure point then you tackle all those points of failure to run more tests and have all of them fail also! People are just getting failure aftet failure after failure even when using the best ingredients.. I saw one guy use a solid crystal of magnesium metal cut up into fine shavings, fresh container of naoh its labeled as 98% in the msds it says pure naoh so dude was guessing the 2% extra is water.. not sure if he was wrong, prob should of paid the extra to get the 99.9% reageny grade for this use.. but anyways, pure parrafin oil with no fragrance, pure menthol crystals, used a gram or so as jump start, he ran it for at least 30 hours until gas production ceased.. Tiny balls were visible, high reactivity even where no balls are visible under eye glass, no matter what they would just refuse to coalesce! Even after running with dioxane only a very small amount decided to coalesce and could be picked out, the amount left over that wouldnt coalesce was vast and reactivity was still the same as before the dioxane run! So id say the naoh would be the weak link in this example! But theres no guarantee if the guy paid top dollar for fresh reagent grade naoh and and used that with the crystal magnesium it would work flawlessly as intended! Chances are youd spend all the time waiting and exact same thing would happen! Thats why running the reaction in a retort under vacuum is much more predictable, straight forward, less time consuming, less reactants, etc Just imagine how much easier life would be for everyone if it was possible and worked flawlessly if you checked the aggregate into a retort, pulled a vacuum and slowly heated it until no more sodium came off, if it works as well as it should thinking about it, the time and headaches people would save would be absolutely crazy! Has anyone tried it?? I saw a potassium run with koh and aluminium, the guy didnt even use a vacuum! He just slowly heated it and K started dripping out the outlet as intended! If its the same for na, people are wasting alot of time! Let us know if you have tried it or have any thoughts to add as it may help people in the future!! All the best, hope my note taking helps someone in the middle of this struggle so.many have failed at! Lol wish there was more people testing this stuff out and posting on it, just watching this stuff is extremely interesting lol!!
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