It'd be awesome to see what brand/model of 18650/21700 cells their using in these.
@T.R.A.N.C.E
3 жыл бұрын
The 40v 2.5Ah uses Samsung 25R 18650 and the 40v 4Ah uses Samsung 40T 21700.
@riba2233
Жыл бұрын
Nah, they don't use 25r's. 40v packs use better cells, Sony vtc5a's. 4ah use vtc6a
@bennettshfd2
3 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for the 40V to come to the US. Still waiting!
@connahjones8178
3 жыл бұрын
was you just complaining that the battery was lasting too long?! i think thats a first
@Mr357Cleveland
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. There is still some fight in the old 18650 Dog yet!👍
@rich3633
3 жыл бұрын
I think i knew that the only real appreciable differences between the two would be run time and weight. The thing i take away from this is how good the grinder and saw is. So powerful. That cordless grinder is fit for a welder.
@琉球教皇
3 жыл бұрын
that's soooo weird that Makita claims the 4.0Ah has 1540W output power while 2.5Ah has only 1150W. Makita Japan sells grinder with 4.0 batteries but 165mm circular saw with 2.5.🤔🤔🤔 btw Makita still making 18V+18V tools for heavy duty work since 2*18V 18650 batteries have way more power than the single 40V 4.0Ah's
@琉球教皇
3 жыл бұрын
@Matt Ryan 18650 cells in a 18V 6.0Ah battery rated approximately 25Amps continues current. So 50 Amps in total. May don't have way more power but exceed 40V 4.0Ah for sure.
@shifty277
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. In theory the Samsung 40T 21700 cells should have less internal resistance than the Samsung 25r's 18650 but the 25"s can do 25amps each under load and perhaps the BMS and temp sensor will not allow the 40ts to maintain 25amps sustained.... Thumbs up
@ptarka
3 жыл бұрын
Would really like to see the 2.5ah compared against the 18v 5ah.
@maisummarceneiroumdemuitos8037
2 жыл бұрын
I had both and at least for grinder the 40V 2.5A is way superior compared with 18Vx2 5A. In fact l sold 2un 5A 18V batteries to buy one 40V 2.5A 😆. Now I have 2un 18V 3A and only one 2.5A 40V. With no plans to order a 4A 40V since all test that I made even with the grinder the 40V 2.5A have the same performance tham 4A.
@GregBrecker
3 жыл бұрын
Like the no bullshit approach to your reviews. Weight distribution with equal power counts for a lot in my book.
But on your 40V chainsaw test the 4Ah battery worked much better than the 2.5Ah.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
Жыл бұрын
A chainsaw draws a lot more power.
@ambrishmourya6897
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video I like makita tools
@LiamBehan-mi8kr
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always mate. Really helpful and informative 👍. You the man! 😉
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
Cheers man!
@julianfisher6373
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree the 2.5 ah is better weight wise & speed even on the 3/4" 40volt impact wrench.
@Wa1200-6
3 жыл бұрын
Do you reckon the 3/4 makita give the milwaukee 3/4 a run for its money?
@julianfisher6373
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wa1200-6 you bet I’m a big Makita fan
@AndyHercliffe
3 жыл бұрын
I questioned makita directly on the performance of my saw and 4ah battery. They accused me of just having a moan. Turns out I was right. Cheers my dude!
@adrianryan1975
3 жыл бұрын
I think the development in the bigger cells will catch up eventually. The 18650's must have a better discharge rate
@legros731
3 жыл бұрын
18650 make for a smaller pack less dead space between cell
@maisummarceneiroumdemuitos8037
2 жыл бұрын
I feel the same here, in 18V line the 5A are noticeable better than 2.5A batteries. But in 40V appears to have no difference at all have a 2.5A or a 4A battery. Even in the 40V grinder that sucks all power from batteries very fast. My 40V grinder with a 2.5A is better than my old 18V x 2 grinder with TWO 5A batteries! Not only better, like 1/3 more power in the 40V line. The new 40V motors are purpose build with stronger rare Earth magnets, bulky cooper windings etc. it's not just a 18v motor changed to work in 36v. I was septical at first but at least in nailer and grinder the 40V makita are awesome. The 40V grinder is better than the 60V DeWalt. And yes, I had used both to compare. It's not only about voltage,. it's about well build motors.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
2 жыл бұрын
The 5Ah battery does give a boost to power, but it does have twice as many cells, so they don't need to put out as much each to do the job, hence it hits harder and does not get as hot, and also last longer proportionately.
@maisummarceneiroumdemuitos8037
2 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Do you mean the 40V 5A gives a boost compared with 40V 2.5A?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Spectre8310
3 жыл бұрын
it is planned to test 9 A battery with aliexpress in the near future?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
Probably not.
@N1rOx
3 жыл бұрын
Hello there fellow Kiwi. Would you be interested in seeing if the Hikoki equivalents have the same issue? That of the 2.0/5ah performing better in power tests vs their 4ah counterparts?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
That's something I'm considering.
@TakamiWoodshop
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always mate. Really helpful and informative 👍. You the man! 😉
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
*Shucks*
@georgedavall9449
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Don’t let the naysayers get to ya! I found this very interesting, and a bit confounding? I think the 40 Volt 2.5 performs well, due to the fact it has two rows, that run in series, vs parallel. Why the 4.0 didn’t do much better, is a conundrum? I have noticed a speed and power difference on some tools, from different manufacturers, with the newer cells, and then no difference on others. 🤔🤷🏻♂️ Guess it depends on the battery and the tool, and how they “talk” to each other? I am thinking the 21700’s will get better and cheaper with time. It will be really interesting to see how this technology will improve! Big thumbs up! Cheers Mate! 👍😁🇦🇺🇺🇸
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
Who are these naysayers?! Let me at 'em. Cheers for watching and commenting.
@georgedavall9449
3 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL ha ha easy there mate, step away from the hedge trimmer! LOL. You’re always gonna have those people who delight in putting down others, or asserting their ideology etc etc. I only mentioned that as I’ve heard make a comment a time or two, regarding the comments. you get me Cheers! 🍺👍😁
@harleyluna3835
3 жыл бұрын
The base of your saw is different to the base of mine , the front right side on mine is a angled at 45 degrees not 90 . Strange !
@darthtrump4428
3 жыл бұрын
there are two versions of this saw, one is even compatible with saw rails (i think the only difference is the base plate)
@jannisalexander1
3 жыл бұрын
No way you'll get them up to 45 volts, i guess you meant 42 volts. 45 would be rather dangerous. Great vid though 😊 I really like the 18650 and really, i never really need the higher discharge rate of the 21700 cells. But I guess if you really have a demanding tool situation, maybe you'll need it.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/0aFvnGmJf6SGamU
@jannisalexander1
3 жыл бұрын
Holy smokes, that is insane. Luckily it was just the cables. I had high readings on batteries before turned out to be a flat battery in my multimeter but if they really charge them to 45 volts I'd be devastated. Luckily your shed and more didn't burn down.
@BingoBongoMan
3 жыл бұрын
Makita says that 40v batteries communicate with tools. Maybe for some reason Makita wants those 21700 cells to deliver less power down the road while 18650 can still go full capacity continuously. Maybe battery health is a reason for the performance drop or maybe 21700 chemistry is not as good as in 18650 yet. Very interesting test though and proof that real life usage is always different than advertising. I am going to stick with my XLT-18V system and don't think 20-30% max. performance increase with 40V is worth the 100% price tag right now. Maybe in 5-10 years.
@kenleach2516
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome knowledge
@brettwalkom948
3 жыл бұрын
I reckon they're only using 21700 cells because a 4ah 18650 battery wouldn't put out the amps required for the tools
@victorgonzalez-tr4su
3 жыл бұрын
nice going.
@paaksolutions8283
3 жыл бұрын
this is interesting :-)
@Fekillix
3 жыл бұрын
Really strange that they would use cells with a lower amp-output rating on the bigger battery.
@arendmookhoek4314
3 жыл бұрын
You need less amps because you have more cells so they thought they could get away with it I assume.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
Same amount of cells in both batteries.
@arendmookhoek4314
3 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL no, the 4ah is definitely bigger, you must mean something else?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
Both batteries have 10 cells. 10 x 18650s in the 2.5Ah and 10 x 21700 in the 4Ah
@G11IFPS
3 жыл бұрын
Wait the 21700 cells in the 4 ah arent the usual 35A continous discharge type? Or am i not understanding you correct?
@matthewsingleton5836
3 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@vdubtek2510
3 жыл бұрын
makita is going to back and supercharge their 12v lineup as they phase out 18v. for the lighter and yet powerful tools.
@HomeCinemaJunkie
3 жыл бұрын
Since P=U x I, this tells us that higher voltage require lower amps. Thus 18650 cells will work just as fine:) Also, thanks for this great review! I was hovering with the mouse pointer over the 4,0ah version, but settled for the 2,5 :).
@G11IFPS
3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the test! didnt think it would make such a small difference on the angle grinder... i think there we have the reason why makita isnt updating its LXT batteries to 21700 cells. too much effort changing the battery case for compatibility issues with 18x2 tools and the belt clips probably in the way on impacts and drills.
@Read_Exodus31
3 жыл бұрын
Belt clip is removable with a single philips screw. If that were a problem they'd just make new belt clips.
@georgedavall9449
3 жыл бұрын
Hey G11, I have spoken numerous times to Makita Tech reps and get all kinds of excuses why they haven’t updated to 21700 cells. Mainly has to do with the Federal Transportation limits on watt hours per battery. I nicely remind them on Ryobi, Milwaukee, and others having the higher capacity batteries, and that’s when they say, “ well, Makita has the fastest charging, and most people don’t want the larger batteries, “. Seriously Makita? I looked at both of my X2 circ saws, and larger batteries wouldn’t fit. It would take too much effort by them to retrofit larger batteries, so guess we are stuck with 6.0 amp hours?
@G11IFPS
3 жыл бұрын
@@georgedavall9449 thanks for the reply, i think their main concern is compatibility with 18x2 tools and the deminishing benefits 21700 cells provide. altough a 8 or 10 ah LXT battery would be really nice for anglegrinders... i wonder if they could make 21700 cells fit on 18x2 tools if they made these batteries in an offset way?
@G11IFPS
3 жыл бұрын
@@Read_Exodus31 thats right but its an unnecessary little pitfall they would have to take for small benefits
@georgedavall9449
3 жыл бұрын
@@G11IFPS You’re Welcome! I mentioned the X2 tools in my comment before, and I have both the Xs01 rear handle, and the newer 06 sidewinder, and there is no way larger batteries would fit, so your premise is spot on! I was even told by a Makita Tech not to waste money on the 6.0 amp hours, as they wouldn’t make much difference over the 5.0 amp hours. I love Makita, but their thinking and reasoning are way behind the times! Tell the Dude with the X2 leaf blower, or string trimmer, he won’t be able to get more than 15 - 18 minutes runtime, unless he purchases the ridiculous backpack battery system! Really Makita?? I don’t know what they’re gonna do. And carrying around the huge dual charger, and like 6 or more batteries, is plain awkward and inconvenient! Peace!
@bronwynotto9589
3 жыл бұрын
Hi! So can I assume the reason you tested all the 40V tools on 4amp is because 2.5 wasn't available at that time in New Zealand... ??
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@Shmankafy
3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see the Battery Breakdown and see what cells are exactly in both batteries.
@vaughanmatthewc
3 жыл бұрын
Would the 18 vs 21 cells be that the 21 will survive more discharge and charge cycles?
@riba2233
Жыл бұрын
No
@T.R.A.N.C.E
3 жыл бұрын
21700 kick harder than 18650 in a non-controlled full discharge environment, the 2.5ah and 4ah are using Samsung 25r and 40t batteries respectively and tests show higher current output and lower internal resistance in the 21700, but should all be irrelevant as the CPU in the tool should pull equally from both batteries, so the 21700 will simply run cooler as it has more headroom. Testing both batteries at two bars left does not equal 50% charge on both, two bars covers a range as wide as 40-60%, one battery could have been at a significantly lower voltage than the other and the tool will reflect that in it's performance by dropping off in rpm or torque etc. It's strange that the 2.5Ah seems to perform better, must have something to do with Makita's battery management.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
The Impact driver drives screws faster with the 2.5Ah than the 4.0Ah , yet you are saying they are the same. Every tool I have tested with both batteries runs better with the 2.5Ah batteries over the 4.0Ah with only the Mitre saw being identical. And who said it was a highly scientific test dude. I know that 2 bars doesn't mean exactly %50, and so will most of my viewers. The test is just to see how the tools drop off as it is being used. Don't take it too seriously.
@T.R.A.N.C.E
3 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Fair enough, maybe Makita needs to work on their 4Ah battery controller (confuser).
@riba2233
Жыл бұрын
40v 2.5 doesn't use 25r's, they are too weak. They can only use vtc5a's or 25S's
@sigi9669
3 жыл бұрын
Is dust ingress at all a consideration with batteries? It's always comforted me that both ventilation openings are covered by the machine whilst in use with the 18v batteries. Yet the 36v batteries have "always open" holes in the bottom. There's no moving parts in there, and the electrical connections are (I believe) all potted or covered. So the only difference would be decreased cooling over time as dust builds up on the cells, right?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
One of the 4Ah batts I have has a lot of fine sawdust visible in the bottom vents. But when you charge the battery the air gets blown out through this vent so hopefully it will keep clear enough. Time will tell I guess. Concrete dust will be the test. I will keep you all posted if I discover an issue in this area.
@kaelloof
2 жыл бұрын
what about metal filings?
@ozjado
3 жыл бұрын
Is it worth "upgrading " to the 40v line up? Nothing at all wrong with my 18v stuff just don't want to let the Kardashians get too far ahead
@l.rey-era2413
3 жыл бұрын
No. Unless you're going to put your tools through somethe heavy rigorous use.
@danabenjamin3300
2 жыл бұрын
I got into the the line just about because of the hammer drill alone
@mediumgrey8674
3 жыл бұрын
WTH. What was makita thinking by doing this. It has to be software controlled. Multimeter test them. Milwaukee saws n everything runs stronger with 21700s. Except led bulbs.
@Zozo806
3 жыл бұрын
broke faster too
@alexmills1329
3 жыл бұрын
lower capacity batteries tend to have higher power drain, I'm betting Makita is playing it safe with the batteries, 36 volts at 1000 watts is 28 amps, so I'm thinking they use a 25 Amp cut off outside of short burst for the 4.0 and maybe the 2.5 can do 30 amps... that's how I would do it to make sure I don't burn out my higher capacity cells with too much load
@琉球教皇
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexmills1329 Makita website claims that 4.0 batteries have 1540watt output so should be 40A+
@robertrada6040
3 жыл бұрын
I did it, dude. My toes are officially wet. I ordered the drill/impact kit (it was only $50 more than the drill kit) that includes a pair of 2.5ah batts. Most of the kits on offer have 1 4ah battery, or a 2.5 ah + 4ah. Your vids literally swayed me. I'm in no rush to buy up XGT stuff, but I'll be grabbing some skins when stock gets stabilized. I'm banking on that 80v blower and 40v 6-1/2 I have in my imagination.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
This one ebay.us/EFy5MH ?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
All the initial sets over here came with 2 4Ahs
@robertrada6040
3 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I have to imagine that they’re going to drop a DHS680 replacement on us (US, UK, NZ, AU, UK) this year. That could be why the current 6-1/2” didn’t land on launch. Although, it seems they’re going for the framers first, so maybe not?
@justincomisk
3 жыл бұрын
Enjoying these, I think your little interjections are hilarious
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@adrianryan1975
3 жыл бұрын
Wish that Hikoki would send you the 36v power saw. I'd like to see it against the Makita. I think the Makita will be better, but by how much?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
I wish Hikoki would send me tools too!
@robertw383
3 жыл бұрын
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL where do you buy your tools from ?
@copperbeard3117
3 жыл бұрын
Why do they call it 40vmax when it's 36v like you said.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
This should answer your question kzitem.info/news/bejne/mWyJzI2okKyqiJw
@LemonySnicket-EUC
3 жыл бұрын
Because dewalt did it.
@baseballdude8491
3 жыл бұрын
Does the Hikoki have the same situation with their 2.5 and 4.0 36V I have more power with the bigger battery
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
A Mishap during filming kzitem.info/news/bejne/0aFvnGmJf6SGamU
I take it you have not watched the video. We are comparing a 2.5Ah 40v with a 4.0Ah 40v.
@shanepipkin4041
3 жыл бұрын
Can you cut the tab on the 40 volt to make it work on the 18volt?
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL
3 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/mWyJzI2okKyqiJw
@Wallriss
3 жыл бұрын
Amp hours equal runtime not power.
@protovack
3 жыл бұрын
The truth is the 18V LXT stuff is awesome and not at all worth ditching for 40V "max" stuff that costs more and will only be outdated as soon as solid state batteries make their way into tools (which they will). At a certain point, the only thing accomplished by stuffing more and heavier li-ion batteries into a pack is...you get a heavier more powerful pack. Which on most tools just simply isn't necessary. It is nice on a few tools, for sure. Especially the outdoor power equipment, chain saws, etc. But on the vast majority of tools it is just dead weight. I'd rather have lighter tools and switch the batteries out slightly more often, than lug around heavy batteries just to get a bit more power that I probably didn't need anyway. Just wait for solid state batteries. In 5-10 years there will be an entire new solid state battery platform from all these tools companies, until then, I will use and enjoy my perfectly functional LXT stuff. Like who wants a 40V compact impact driver? It's completely pointless.
@mikerosoft1009
2 жыл бұрын
Do you think in the future they'll be able to do solid state inside a 40v Battery that can be used with the current lineup?
@The_Story_Channel
3 жыл бұрын
I think the 21700 cells are the better option for low drain things such as flashlights (torches) but not for tools. The only benefit to using the 21700 batteries that I can think of, is perhaps they run cooler but I don't even know if that is true because I don't own any.
@georgedavall9449
3 жыл бұрын
Hi canuckken. 21700 cells are more dense, DO run cooler, and therefore can deliver more on higher amp draw situations. I am thinking they will come out with “improved” versions of the 21700 cells down the road. Battery tech will only get better. Exciting days ahead! Peace
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