Wasn't that long ago when this was legal. Catcher is a G for hanging onto the ball too
@Ahhtisbutaaweeleprec
Жыл бұрын
it's been illegal for at least 30 years
@deew_knird_reeb_ekomS
Жыл бұрын
@@Ahhtisbutaaweeleprec In pro or little league?
@ChalkInTheLand
Жыл бұрын
@@Ahhtisbutaaweeleprec Um no. No it definitely hasn't been banned for that long
@Ahhtisbutaaweeleprec
Жыл бұрын
@@ChalkInTheLand I was bulldogged in very similar ways multiple time in the 94-96 time frame, and the kid got ejected every time
@Ahhtisbutaaweeleprec
Жыл бұрын
@@deew_knird_reeb_ekomS little league through high school...every time a kid tried to go through me growing up, they got ejected, no matter how hard they hit me
@cmerelo
Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, they taught us that if the catcher is in the base line, go through him and take him out.
@jimnagel5611
Жыл бұрын
WELL ME TOO - BUT NO ONE EVER TOLD ME TO LOWER MY SHOULDER & RAM HIM LIKE THAT -- UMP WAS RIGHT ON THAT ONE
@daytonagreg8765
Жыл бұрын
@@jimnagel5611 sure they did. Thats how we dislodge the ball from the glove. Catcher should never sit on the baseline because thats where baserunners go top speed trying to touch home plate. You basically want the runner to give up.
@jimnagel5611
Жыл бұрын
@@daytonagreg8765 READ WHAT I SAID NUMBNUTS -- NO ONE EVER TOLD ME TO DO THAT - AND THE UMP WAS CORRECT ON THAT ONE -- SORRY BOZO -- THAT WAS JUST TO BLATANT & OBVIOUS
@cmerelo
Жыл бұрын
I'm not saying this was right in today's world or that the UMP didn't make the right call. I'm just saying it was different when I was a kid, and yes they did tell us to lower our shoulder and run through the catcher if he was in the Baseline so he would drop the ball.
@elwood_diggler
Жыл бұрын
@@cmerelo CTE
@jeffphillips2701
2 ай бұрын
Boomer catcher here. That was totally expected back in the day. I learned to defend myself and home plate with my knees and shinguards.
@zacharymckinney4504
Жыл бұрын
Don't step on the tracks when the trains coming through. - Jack Partman.
@davecpgh
Жыл бұрын
Parkman
@g_mason8867
Жыл бұрын
That’s Mr. Pecker head to you
@dannymundycomedy
11 ай бұрын
If the catcher would have elevated at the last second,the train would have been derailed
@Aaron_R
4 ай бұрын
You have no ... Marbles
@zacharymckinney4504
4 ай бұрын
@@Aaron_R f$ck you Jobu. I do it myself.
@kaizenkonversations8337
Жыл бұрын
Honestly all real baseball fans who have been watching for more than 15 years remembers when this was not only legal but taught
@huelerhuelin3334
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, when the play was at the PLATE, not 10 feet from it. He was out by a mile and he knew it.
@jeremyvalderas8146
Жыл бұрын
Catcher was standing on the base line blocking the runners path
@huelerhuelin3334
Жыл бұрын
@@jeremyvalderas8146 It's not blocking the path if he has the ball waiting for him. You don't know anything about baseball, apparently.
@jacksonorlady1367
Жыл бұрын
And we corrected it. It was a stupid macho play for compensating dudes than only serves to hurt your starting players. How about both teams stay healthy and compete at their peak, injury free. Basic logic unless you’ve got some weird ego to pad
@MikeTython34
Жыл бұрын
@@jeremyvalderas8146for the love of god I’m so tired of idiots getting on here that don’t know baseball and just typing dumb shit. If he has the ball he can be anywhere he damn well pleases, if you don’t know the rules just sit down and shut up……respectfully
@jharp08
Жыл бұрын
All of 90’s and older babies know we run through the catcher if he’s on the baseline
@chrismurray1558
Жыл бұрын
Damn right
@ALChewBacca
Жыл бұрын
Damn skippy
@Racesrt
Жыл бұрын
70s and 80s. I was a catcher. I got blasted like that.
@progamerhennessey9483
Жыл бұрын
It was made illegal in the 90’s, - the MLB ofc
@Tapioca674
Жыл бұрын
Yep. But not any more.
@ieatcrayons1999
2 ай бұрын
GenZ - he should be suspended GenX - Clean hit
@mikec6557
2 ай бұрын
Baby Boomer , catcher tells pitcher to knock down the next batter cause we take sh.. from no one.
@inkwell101
2 ай бұрын
6th grade 1989, I came in from the pitcher's mound to cover home. Got ran over by a friend coming home. He was called safe. I just walked back and kept pitching. Legal Plat by runner
@ZachCremisiSky
2 ай бұрын
Look at MLB they change it 10+ years ago
@Qthekat1984
2 ай бұрын
Truth 😁
@Mack-ct9zd
2 ай бұрын
Best comment
@insideinfo2355
Жыл бұрын
Back in my day this was textbook.
@karterguy1
Жыл бұрын
unfortunately we're not living in that America anymore!
@JOOSEBOXDRIP
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it still should be. How can it be fair to block a runner on the baseline??
@russelltaylor2029
Жыл бұрын
@@JOOSEBOXDRIPhe has the baseball
@vitesse_arnhem
11 ай бұрын
Coach needs to be impeached
@dillonbija9592
Ай бұрын
No one cares boomer.
@toreeadams9873
Жыл бұрын
They taught us as a catcher to initiate the contact in this situation. Don't sit back and wait. That was 30 years ago but a good tag upside the face kept a lot of kids from trying to run through you
@markeyfarrell
Жыл бұрын
catcher did set himself and reach forward to tag. hard to do much more than that when it is less than one second, 2 running steps away bearing right at you with intent. really did NOT just sit back and wait.
@user-bt6ro2to6c
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@scotthead8249
Жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly right. I was a catcher on all three levels and if you put yourself in that situation take the tag to him. A collision was going to happen. Catcher had time. I've been trucked five times in my career with two concussions. It's just something that happens in baseball. unwritten rules.
@toreeadams9873
Жыл бұрын
@markeyfarrell yeah it's more in the approach. He should've set up ti catch the throw where he wouldn't been so vulnerable but he's young and we all get trucked wearing the tools of ignorance eventually. Just saying gotta learn the hard way sometimes. Still he held the ball so mad props there.
@sidvicious01
Жыл бұрын
Don't take ur catchers mask off either 😂
@boshwiggiddy1
Жыл бұрын
Catcher blocked the plate. Back in our day, this was clean
@thomaspaquette9991
Жыл бұрын
Get up and tell the catcher to pick his Chiclets up.
@joshfreno8734
Жыл бұрын
fr fr
@clayreed4717
Жыл бұрын
This was never clean it was just legal!
@gabe5100
Жыл бұрын
you can block the plate if you have possession of the ball.
@joootooobboosheet2486
Жыл бұрын
Back in your day? GTFOH
@billyhall53
Ай бұрын
runner did his job perfectly. catcher did his job, he hung onto the ball.
@slpguy6026
16 күн бұрын
lol no dude runner was ejected. MLB would suspend too. Completely illegal since 2014
@banginonfools1570
Жыл бұрын
You can't do that anymore, UNFORTUNATELY
@Radionut
21 күн бұрын
Yeah if you were the character would you like some guy run you down and lowering his shoulder into your head. I don’t think so that’s why it’s illegal. The runner shoes not only be out of the game he should be suspended for the rest of the season
@lancemiller1725
Жыл бұрын
Catcher did an excellent job knowing he was gonna endure a shot 💥💥
@yoyo762
Жыл бұрын
No, he should have braced his back foot and took out the knee of the runner. The catcher has knee protection. The runner doesn't.
@peytonspangler1756
Жыл бұрын
Yep I had the unfortunate event of being the catcher blocking the plate. 8u Allstars state round blocked the plate on accident didnt mean to guy trucked me. Never happened again always made sure I wasn’t in the way.
@vitamind2387
Жыл бұрын
Back in the 90s I was a catcher and back then it was normal to run over the catcher so I kept my mask on and became a brick wall
@edwardpeak8481
Жыл бұрын
BS you just had coaches that didnt give AF about you lol
@vitamind2387
Жыл бұрын
@@edwardpeak8481 wrong. And I’m guessing you “Peaked” in high school
@benharding5591
Жыл бұрын
@@vitamind2387 bet you didn't even graduate
@YTEdy
Жыл бұрын
I remember when John Stearns blocked Dave Parker. Parker was a 230 lbs and build like a fullback, but Stearns played football in college. He was smaller, but he was used to contact, and he held his ground. Stearns won that one, and Parker got a broken wrist and missed a few weeks. Players around the league thanked John Stearns for doing that to Parker, who nobody liked. So, yes. That's how the game used to be played. It's what any competitive coach would have asked of you at the time. Concussion protocol changed all that, and the injury to Buster Posey who'd been an MVP. Nobody wanted to see a guy like Posey miss another season. I was on my high-school team briefly, but that was a long time ago, and baseball can be scary when the guys are all bigger than you and they hit the balls like rockets. I played first base but didn't last long on the HS team. I went back to playing with friends after school.
@Rowgue51
Жыл бұрын
This kid didn't even get hit in the head though. It was clearly shoulder straight to the middle of the chest.
@patrickwhite4449
3 ай бұрын
I love how much people are saying “back in my day we got concussions and we liked it!”
@tysonk-t2130
3 ай бұрын
That’s why they’re living so far back in the past. The brain damage has snuffed out any hope at a short term memory.
@afvet5075
2 ай бұрын
You obviously don't know anything about baseball.
@jonjonson5730
2 ай бұрын
@@afvet5075 you probably think Junior Seau and Aaron Hernandez offing themselves is just a natural, logical part of life
@001Flange
2 ай бұрын
I love how much young people are proud to be so weak.
@jonjonson5730
2 ай бұрын
@@001Flange rage bait used to be believable
@DonTrump-sv1si
Жыл бұрын
MLB ruling would be: In this instance the catcher was blocking the lane for the runner prior to getting the ball. Even though the catcher held on to the ball, he was blocking the lane so the runner is safe.
@shedrickbowens99
Жыл бұрын
I think the only argument may be the catcher is making a play on the ball
@joshstrago
Жыл бұрын
This aint mlb anything below pro ball they would be thrown out
@RNP688
Жыл бұрын
Yeah totally agree. I do think he hit unnecessarily hard but the catcher was blocking the lane. The runner had nowhere to go
@OldManLuffy
Жыл бұрын
@@shedrickbowens99is obstructing the runners path to the plate you can only do that with the ball you can be in the runners path waiting on the ball the runners shouldve been safe
@user-jf4jy4ij3l
11 ай бұрын
It is the runner's responsibility to avoid contact with the fielder. If the fielder obstructed the base path, then the umpire will call it, but the runner does not have the right to run through anyone, regardless of where they are standing (at least nowadays). The catcher also was not blocking the base path prior to having possession of the ball. If you watch, the catcher is in fair territory (inside the base runner) and receives the throw from third base, then moves into the baseline to make the play, which is exactly how he should have done it.
@allanwheeler
Жыл бұрын
He held onto that ball like a champ. Respect!
@jaxrobinson8937
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but he stood in the base line so it’s should be interference
@therecanbeonly1497
Жыл бұрын
@@jaxrobinson8937 he had the ball, stood in between the runner and the plate to apply the tag, and he's guilty of interference? What are you smoking? It's only interference if he doesn't have the ball.
@jaxrobinson8937
Жыл бұрын
@@therecanbeonly1497 oh shoot just a little weed and alcohol
@therecanbeonly1497
Жыл бұрын
@@jaxrobinson8937 be careful. I don't think you're supposed to smoke alcohol.
@TWolfyG
7 ай бұрын
@@jaxrobinson8937interference and obstruction are different things
@RiverRat904
Жыл бұрын
Runner lowered his shoulder like it was still football season.
@Kalykus
Жыл бұрын
Should he go head first?
@d_fresh1169
Жыл бұрын
@raymond5075 I'm with ya.... As a former catcher myself, at least based on when I played (
@pickerpete8208
Жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong here
@keith_dixon
Жыл бұрын
It is 100% human nature to lower the shoulder when a person is about to collide with something. Watch anyone anywhere any time they will lower their shoulder when colliding with something. There was nothing wrong with this play, the catcher shouldn't stand in the base path if he doesn't want contact.
@YTEdy
Жыл бұрын
@@pickerpete8208 It doesn't say if it's HS or college, but the rules are very clear. The rules stat that the runner avoid intentional contact. The level of intentional contact here is an automatic out, as the ump called. The catcher made some mistakes, like removing his mask and blocking the plate, but the runner is out and not just out but out of the game, and with the shoulder to the face, possibly suspended for additional games. Those are the rules. You can prefer the old days if you want, but those are the rules today. All the runner had to do was slide, or run around and graze the catcher, not take him out and he's still be in the game and possibly not suspended for a few more games.
@michaell874
14 күн бұрын
I don’t think it was that bad of a hit because the catcher was clearly blocking the base path, leaving the base runner with no option to go around him. Bad call by the umpire. The hit did not look malicious but a collision was inevitable. I would have done the same thing.
@BitwiseMobile
Жыл бұрын
This is how I was taught in little league in the 80s. If that catcher is blocking the base you go through him, and you hit him hard enough to drop the ball. Those words came out of my coaches mouth one cold dewy spring morning while we were sitting around waiting to start practice.
@andrewpeterson3302
Жыл бұрын
And seat belts where optional. Things change. Get with it.
@Zach-td5mb
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewpeterson3302both changes are stupid.
@ThePopeofPoland1
Жыл бұрын
Please test that opinion exiting the highway at speed into a tree.
@WhatAshnipe
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePopeofPoland1who tf would exit on a high way into a tree. Seatbelts are smart but make it make sense buddy.
@WhiteRoss260
Жыл бұрын
Shit, I was raised in the late 90s early 2000s, I was taught the same thing. That boy is standing in the baseline, then he is definitely getting ran through.
@adamo1867
Жыл бұрын
That's some old school baseball right there. Pete Rose would be proud of the hustle.
@lonniesmith7580
Жыл бұрын
Nah Pete rose would be proud if the kid scored. Jump over the player with the ball, or do anything other than get yourself out. Poor base running by the runner.
@ryanjt84
Жыл бұрын
@@lonniesmith7580Nope. Pete is not an advocate for baserunners going airborne. kzitem.info/news/bejne/lXygmHZvs2Z1law
@bryanfields5563
Жыл бұрын
Pete frickin Rose...
@derekdufour7586
Жыл бұрын
Catcher shouldnt been in the baseline.. he got what he deserved
@vitesse_arnhem
Жыл бұрын
I’m Ray Fosse and I don’t approve of this message
@tom267
10 ай бұрын
Hopefully the catcher learned his lesson about standing in the basepath.
@stuckie3916
3 ай бұрын
He has the ball, he’s allowed to.
@WLHolliday
3 ай бұрын
Yep , Cause if tries to slide feet first one of them will have a hurt leg , if headfirst runner or the catcher has a broken collarbone and or shoulder injury or head or neck injury. I know he took the worst of it but the catcher should've been out of the baseline .
@seanmarbut7695
3 ай бұрын
@WLHolliday no, the batter should have known the rules and not "trucked" the catcher. What the catcher did Is legal. What the runner did was not and in some states, subject to prosecution.
@tom267
3 ай бұрын
@@seanmarbut7695the rules are you don’t stand in the base path and impede the runner.
@torryatkins1
3 ай бұрын
@@tom267 if you have the ball you can sit on home plate if you want.
@connorT123
3 ай бұрын
If he’s in the baseline he’s asking for it
@caydengriffin4094
3 ай бұрын
Tell me you don’t know baseball without telling me you don’t know baseball
@Randomswiftie22
3 ай бұрын
He’s allowed to be if he already has possession of the ball🤓👆 No matter what its illegal to run into him like that
@rrod7643
3 ай бұрын
@@caydengriffin4094doesn't mean he doesn't know baseball. Just from a different generation. It was legal for me to hit the catcher back when I played. Your rules are soft now.
@callsignredacted8290
3 ай бұрын
@@rrod7643 soft? if this was legal, teams would just use meatier guys to get rid of catchers and pitchers. It got banned for a reason. baseball today requires WAY more skill than before.
@Nobody03119
3 ай бұрын
@@caydengriffin4094Yeah we already know the pussies pussified baseball.
@merciercarter3568
Жыл бұрын
Don’t block the plate!
@ticklemeelmo5119
9 ай бұрын
He was in position of catching the ball. He had no choice. The Buster Posey rule states that you can’t block the plate, UNLESS, In position of catching the throw to home.
@playdiscgolf1546
9 ай бұрын
@@ticklemeelmo5119he could have caught the ball just behind the line and used his glove, otherwise, you risk getting ran over. He had plenty of time to field that ball behind the line.
@jarod9135
8 ай бұрын
@@ticklemeelmo5119he literally catches it then has time to square his shoulders
@scottp1100
6 ай бұрын
Are they getting paid? People have day jobs and team isn't paying medical bills.
@chadalpha678
3 ай бұрын
@@ticklemeelmo5119 cept for he moved back after the catch then took a hop towards third sooooo intentional plate block
@joeladolph3508
Жыл бұрын
Had this happen to me as a catcher a few times. Get off that baseline and just let him run into the glove -- and hold onto the ball.
@paulabrams3521
Жыл бұрын
Simple right that's all he had to do
@michaelw4789
Жыл бұрын
Right. Baseball is not a contact sport. They were both wrong and can almost guarantee they were both coached to do exactly what they did.
@inevitable854
Жыл бұрын
@michaelw4789 well considering that this isn't legal anymore. The catcher had the ball and can block the plate/baseline all he wants.
@inevitable854
Жыл бұрын
@@paulabrams3521yeah, then they slide under your glove or juke to the side and you miss the tag. Lol
@jackpoirier3334
Жыл бұрын
This is bad advice. MLB catchers do not do this. They are the best baseball players in the world.
@roryh2241
22 күн бұрын
The catcher did everything right. He set up in fair territory off the baseline and didn’t block it until the throw took him towards foul territory
@67L48
2 ай бұрын
Apparently, everyone in this comment section played along side Pete Rose in the MLB. Just to give everyone a reality-check: 1) MLB rules are a lot different than high school rules (that loud metallic ping you hear during HS games should be a big hint); 2) This is not a video clip from an MLB game (I know, it's apparently really hard for most to tell); and 3) it's been illegal since at least the 1980s to truck fielders like this in HS. So, unless you were on an MLB team, then all of the "back in my day" comments are either from 80 year olds, people whose leagues were officiated by ex-cons, or from people who have no idea.
@chaffeecityusa1129
Жыл бұрын
Held on to the ball while taking a nap. Talent.
@NarrowEdgeTrading
Жыл бұрын
That’s why they make it harder to open the mitt than to close it. No unconscious catcher going to run the game
@afox7376
Жыл бұрын
I'll never forget watching Pete Rose run over Ray Fosse at home plate in the 1970 All-Star game. Fosse's career went downhill from that moment.
@brianpowell9239
Жыл бұрын
Thanks… never knew about that.
@jlmsmith2113
Жыл бұрын
Rose was vilified because of that, but he wasn’t known as Charlie Hustle for no reason! I watched that play live also, it was quite a dramatic incident!
@jrzygurl
Жыл бұрын
Dude!!!,,, I remember that...Brutal.....!!!
@NotTodayBud
Жыл бұрын
This hit was way harder than that one was.
@batman4329
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of when Posey got his leg broken. It’s a necessary rule but the catcher could of been better positioned also.
@shakarocks
Ай бұрын
It's one thing to run through the player. It's another thing to lower your shoulder and punish the player making the tag. This is a textbook ejection and it's been that way at least as long as I started umpiring in 1992.
@kevintucker3354
2 ай бұрын
In the 70s the catcher was taught to stay just outside the line and the runners were taught to run over the catcher if he was in the baseline. This is just baseball. The runner HAS to stay in the baseline so if your in it, the damage is on you…
@davidisles4009
Жыл бұрын
You are no longer allowed to bowl over the catcher. Slide or avoid is now the rule at almost all levels. I was a catcher for my entire playing days, and was bowled over multiple times. As an umpire doing high school and Jr. College ball as an adult, we always brought up the rule pregame during the ground rules conference.
@MrElephantBeach
Жыл бұрын
Everybody knows it but there will always be the “in my day I would have trucked him too” people that can’t move on. It’s a non-contact sport 99.9% of the time but people think the catchers should be fair game just because that’s the way it used to be.
@genebaranowski2327
Жыл бұрын
Was always taught to run through the catcher like he don't exist😂😂
@briankissel7661
Жыл бұрын
Feet first!
@jasonw795
Жыл бұрын
They also didn't know the seriousness of concussions. This isn't even allowed through college anymore.
@justislugga
Жыл бұрын
Rules are for pussieezzzz
@justislugga
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonw795boring. As a former college baseball player.
@johndurrer7869
Жыл бұрын
@@justislugga boring? Why should someone have to go through severe suicidal depression for the rest of their life just so you can have fun for a few minutes?
@LJTSRW17
2 ай бұрын
Catchers interference. Run scores. Unnecessary roughness. Runner is ejected
@greggskeen6674
7 минут бұрын
Guy didn't have to block the plate. Held on though , good on him. Probably thinking he's not gonna do that again anytime soon .
@drewbird4726
Жыл бұрын
Brings back horrible memories. That happened to me at age 15. Broke a vertebrae and herniated a disc in my back. In my late 30s now and still having back problems. Hope dude is ok.
@lukeschlitzer5460
Жыл бұрын
Dude, same. Positive thoughts seem to help the most
@dingaling14
Жыл бұрын
@@lukeschlitzer5460 oxycodone helps even more than positive thoughts. 😂
@ReallyLongpig
Жыл бұрын
@@lukeschlitzer5460 surgery as well is pretty effective on top of all that Bs Pos vibes
@drewbird4726
Жыл бұрын
@T So you can't break your back if you have muscles? Damn, I wish I would have known that.
@dangrimes5078
Жыл бұрын
@@dingaling14 I got addicted. Now I have to take Soboxone. Be careful with that stuff.
@corymiller7894
Жыл бұрын
One of the reasons why catchers are now usually taught to keep their mask on.
@sammatsusaka823
Жыл бұрын
Common Sense! Always keep your mask on. Wish I was the Catcher. We both would be down. But I would get up. IDK, about the runner.
@Teddydoesstuff
Жыл бұрын
@@sammatsusaka823 no my coach's say if it's a play like that take off your helmet to help you see better
@kalsal89
Жыл бұрын
@@Teddydoesstuff think of it this way…. How can you see when catching from the pitcher?? Mask should only come off for pop ups due no chance of contact with a runner or bad hop.
@michaelcady1337
Жыл бұрын
@@kalsal89 depends what mask your wearing. Two piece has easy visibility. Hockey masks can feel like watching a movie through a mailbox.
@bryanrmcnair01
Жыл бұрын
@Michael Cady opposite...two piece comrs off why most with hockey style are taught to keep them on for all plays cept maybe high pop up that ya do have time to takeoff and throw it out of your way!
@theleeharveyoswaldexperien1883
Жыл бұрын
“Back in my day…” there’s a reason this is no longer allowed. Kids was out by a mile, should have just taken the out. No need for the unnecessary injuries.
@deniseockey6204
3 күн бұрын
I had this happen when I was umpiring behind the plate. A MUCH BIGGER kid did a halfhearted slide and creamed the catcher. I had to call 911, and the catcher was taken off in an ambulance! What I did differently than this ump, was I took care of the catcher first. The player was ejected after the ambulance left, and I met with both coaches. THIS IS A GAME. THESE ARE KIDS. IF PLAYERS CANNOT PLAY WITH GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP, THEN THEY NEED TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE. This GOES FOR THE PARENTS AND THE COACHES!
@kevincalhoun5612
Жыл бұрын
I've been umpiring high school baseball since 1987. Running over the catcher has been an automatic out and ejection at least since then and probably years before that.
@FGCTekken
Жыл бұрын
Catcher shoulsnt have blocked the plate when runner was going base to base and following the line. Catcher knew what he was doing.
@jrhixenbaugh1027
Жыл бұрын
I've played little league, hot stove and high school baseball and seen this more times than I could count me being a part of those collisions and not one time was anyone ejected. The runner has to stay inside the running lane. So, with the catcher blocking the running lane you cannot run around him the ump would call you out because you are outside the running lane. You run through him hoping to unlodge the ball. People are too damn soft.
@James-jf1sc
3 ай бұрын
If the runner is blocked from the plate what do they do, stop and get tagged?
@kevincalhoun5612
3 ай бұрын
@@James-jf1sc rule says slide or try to avoid.
@kentnelson604
Ай бұрын
Brings a new meaning of " He's out " if I was the catcher I would of braced myself for it, but I played a few years ago when it was legal
@MrVictorsims
Жыл бұрын
That's the price you pay when you're in the baseline.
@nellAx19
Жыл бұрын
…while trying to make the tag. What do you expect him to do? Loosely hold onto the ball in his glove while reaching in from foul ground? You couldn’t just plow over a second baseman or shortstop, so why is that okay to a catcher?
@whatdudeokman6481
Жыл бұрын
@@nellAx19 Because your scoring a run. Which the game is decided by who has the most runs. Would you not fight to win a game? This isnt ballet, its baseball, blood sweat and tears is what wins you the highest honor in all of baseball, being the best.
@bryanfoss6736
Жыл бұрын
he had to stand there to field the throw coming in, he has the right to stand there to catch the ball....he's not gonna let the ball pass him just cause the runner is coming, that would give up multiple runs
@ahannan9
Жыл бұрын
Ball was there before the runner. It’s no longer the base runners baseline. Kid was ejected and run doesn’t count. Even if the catcher dropped the ball the run wouldn’t of counted. All he had to do was attempt a slide. Rule has been in effect for as long as that kids been playing.
@brandonmason5017
Жыл бұрын
Facts
@matthopper451
2 ай бұрын
This actually should’ve been obstruction on the catcher. He was in the base path without the ball and there’s zero way you could argue a straight line throw took him into the base path.
@B25gunship
7 күн бұрын
I started playing little league in the 50's. So I've been around the barn a couple times. This is the way it was taught back in the day. And if you warmed the bench with your ass they didn't give you a trophy for it.
@Spyke-lz2hl
2 жыл бұрын
Ump made a very good on the spot call. Watch the catchers head. This could be a life changer for him cognitively. That’s why it’s illegal!
@aviationkid6619
Жыл бұрын
Not illegal
@ResiderOfEvil
Жыл бұрын
@@aviationkid6619 Actually, it is illegal to do. According to rule 7.13 of baseball, “A runner attempting to score may not deviate from his direct pathway to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate). If, in the judgment of the Umpire, a runner attempting to score initiates contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) in such a manner, the Umpire shall declare the runner out (even if the player covering home plate loses possession of the ball)” But also, “The collision between runner and catcher during the taking run is called a violation of rule 7.13.” So really, the catcher did not violate any rules and has the right to defend the plate. A runner can’t just steam roll them over and collide with them. So it is illegal, and in this case it was pretty malicious as he leaned his entire side right into the catchers head.
@nicholasemmons1755
Жыл бұрын
@ResiderOfEvil no deviation of the runners path. The catcher was up the line and not protecting the plate.
@ResiderOfEvil
Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasemmons1755 regardless of the catchers position, it falls on the runner to not initiate contact with the catcher in such a way. The umpire has that final decision, it’s still illegal by this rule based on that fact alone.
@nicholasemmons1755
Жыл бұрын
@@ResiderOfEvil are you sure about that? kzitem.info/news/bejne/0ptp13eNgYiZaW0
@mikelawrence4672
Жыл бұрын
And that's when the dugout would once get cleared.
@teegee7799
Жыл бұрын
For what? Your catcher being a bitch? Your bench would have their asses handed to them.
@dwstrat1377
Жыл бұрын
Not for this it would not
@philwilson7816
Жыл бұрын
@@dwstrat1377 YOUR WRONG for even thinking THAT "oh well" Unsportsmanship Is the WAY to COACH
@teddyhaynes9876
Жыл бұрын
The catcher has the runner beat so why move ? Hopefully the runner was suspended for the rest of the season , it’s a pathetic way to play a game trying to hurt someone . Let me guess your gonna say man everyone is so soft now , now everyone is just smart and don’t wanna see kids with brain damage over a kids game . How old are you anyways , you sound immature honestly , i has your mindset up until prob 3/4 years ago , once you get mid 30s you get wiser
@jamesdo3841
Жыл бұрын
Malicious intent for sure. Good thing that the rule was changed. There’s no point in destroying people’s life over a game.
@dennissharpe8356
Жыл бұрын
As a catcher I would like to see coaches teaching their catchers to protect themselves by getting the glove out front and holding the glove closed with their throwing hand. Use it as a buffer and work the angles. Never try and let someone barrel into you straight on. No need to be a hero in little league.
@otisjohnjr.3023
Жыл бұрын
I had the same situation with a little catcher in pony league. The opposing coach said it wasn't little league anymore. So I put in my 6 foot 230 pound marshal arts catcher that loves contract, suddenly the bullies started to be cowards.
@philwilson7816
Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT !! GREAT !!
@howardmurphy2841
Жыл бұрын
He's literally on the line,,clean hit,props for not dropping the ball
@maekklyn
8 күн бұрын
Took a crazy hit for a baseball game? Not worth it...poor guy will be feeling that for awhile and has nothing to show for it.
@bsmartr806
3 ай бұрын
I understand everyone's point of running through the catcher but... DAMN that man held onto that ball, WOW, nice!
@jflinn2010
Жыл бұрын
The Pete Rose-Ray Fosse all-star game connection.
@snave59
Жыл бұрын
Rose did not hit Fosse in the face with his shoulder.It's not the same play.
@rshellem
Жыл бұрын
That's why you don't ever take your catchers mask off for a play at the plate
@ryanmccauley1925
Жыл бұрын
(I never used to take off my mask for plays at home.)
@Dirtyrich08
Жыл бұрын
REAL SHIT 💯 💯 💯
@chewiebacka4377
Жыл бұрын
That wouldn't help him here.
@BobPapadopoulos
Жыл бұрын
@@chewiebacka4377Oh yes it would. You'll still eat the concussion but at least your jaw won't be wired shut.
@MH-Tesla
9 ай бұрын
Okay. Then you better start making players at 1st, 2nd and 3rd wear them too. Last time I watched a game, a catcher and umpire can't get hit by a foul ball on a play at the plate, so mask entirely unnecessary.
@jrpadgett7441
3 ай бұрын
These guys talking bout how this used to be legal are nuts. Im 55, when I playes this was the equivalent of footballs unnecessary roughness. Player ejection immediately. It wasn't a bang bang play, the catcher was already planning to throw after the easy tag. What was true back in the day was the next batter was getting one in the ear.
@leoromero1263
Жыл бұрын
That’s extremely poor sportsmanship he should be banned permanently
@gregbutler5521
2 жыл бұрын
Runner lowered the shoulder. Correct call.
@unclejuan2274
Жыл бұрын
No
@1981lashlarue
Жыл бұрын
So?
@angusmcculloch6653
Жыл бұрын
Catcher deserved what he got. If you can't handle a runner coming home, you shouldn't be a catcher. And if you're so bad at your position, you can't play it safely, the coach should put you in another position. I was a catcher.
@claytonjones8358
Жыл бұрын
This is baseball 101. Bad call Umps are now taught to be snow flakes
@brianjc720
Жыл бұрын
@@angusmcculloch6653 Right. So if runners started to tackle you you’d just take it like a little btch because you’re such a great catcher huh? You’re being silly Angus, try to think critically buddy. I get what you’re saying but I also get that what youre saying is dumb af.
@NathanPaterson_2
Жыл бұрын
“YOU.. YOU’RE OUT!” 👆 Gosh I love this game, great call. As a catcher can confirm it sucks to get trucked
@angusmcculloch6653
Жыл бұрын
Also a catcher. Get out of the runner's path. I enjoyed nothing more than bowling dumb catchers who put themselves between me and the plate. Once, I actually backflipped a catcher who blocked the plate. The whole stands for his team started booing me and I got up and waved to them and pointed to the scoreboard. That guy learned a valuable lesson. Baseball has become such a pussy's game now.
@PerthLuxury
Жыл бұрын
The catcher was Ryan Miller with Milan Lucic steamrollering him, big deal LET'S GO BRUINS
@warbux2631
Жыл бұрын
My opinion on this kind of shit has changed drastically now that I'm a working adult with old sports injuries. That game doesn't matter 24 hours after it's played, and it definitely doesn't matter. Years later, help kids stay healthy that's what really matters
@CenteredCedrik
Жыл бұрын
That is called blocking the plate which is illegal. The runner actually was doing what IS instinctual, which is, lowering your body to get through a position that has been blocked irrationally.
@BrockLanders
Жыл бұрын
Dude gave that catcher a Pete Rose special
@yell0wberry
Жыл бұрын
Bo Jackson used to put guys on the disabled list from doing stuff like this
@averagepufferfish5612
Жыл бұрын
@@yell0wberryPete Rose ruined a man’s career from doing it… and the game he did it in was a exhibition.
@robbieholroyd8084
Жыл бұрын
@@averagepufferfish5612all-star game not that it matters
@averagepufferfish5612
Жыл бұрын
@@robbieholroyd8084 the All-star game is exhibition
@robbieholroyd8084
Жыл бұрын
@@averagepufferfish5612 I didn't think exhibition games had any meaning
@chrisvw2323
Жыл бұрын
That was a normal play at the plate in the 70's 😂
@kennethcurtis1856
Жыл бұрын
I played 2nd base and a kid came in with spikes high. I told next time he comes down the line, I was going to throw the ball at his head. I did. Never had another problem with him.
@TheRightIsWrong
Жыл бұрын
Yeah... and you're all crippled with fake knees and hips, arthritis, and in your 60s & 70s
@poindextertunes
Жыл бұрын
Man reading some of these comments you’d think they hadn’t watched baseball since the 70s lmao theres a very legitimate reason this ain’t legal any more 😂
@darksaga80
Жыл бұрын
Yes and no. Guys in the 70s would essentially plow into the catcher in hopes of jarring the ball loose. It was more of a football/hockey move. Shoulder to chest. They never targeted the head area for obvious reasons. Yeah, you KOd the catcher who's still holding the ball, and you're still out. Here? Dude came through with his shoulder and elbow high on purpose to injure. Should never play again especially at this level where these games mean very little. The player coming into home could've easily shown some class and taken the out but had to be an ass wagon instead.
@davidhowell1415
Жыл бұрын
Not really.
@cavscout1418
2 ай бұрын
I once once taught to run through the cather 30 years ago. Based how the catcher was knocked cold and took an obvious brain injury. Im glad kids are no longer allowed to truck the catcher.
@ericthomas1198
Ай бұрын
I’m an old, retired ball player and this WAS a correct & respected play.
@gregorybear7367
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY. Catcher was in the baseline.
@andrewpeterson3302
Жыл бұрын
He had the ball... It's his line to stand on at that point. Dead to rights, it's a dirty play.
@BeesFitness
Жыл бұрын
Protect yourself at all times both runner and catcher.
@user-tx5bg6qk1c
3 ай бұрын
If you stand in front of the base to block it, you deserve this, legal or not. Remember when catchers were the toughest players on the field?
@Hyliner1983
Жыл бұрын
That offensive player needs to be ejected for good, what kind of sportsmanship is that!
@advp9
2 жыл бұрын
This hasn’t been legal since before most of their coaches played.
@perman66
Жыл бұрын
it is a legal play...catcher was blocking the plate..
@harryl7946
Жыл бұрын
Yea well it was when I was playing! Catcher blocks the plate? Oh hell no! A direct path to home is where I was headed for sure!
@alanhess9306
Жыл бұрын
@@harryl7946 That's not the rule now. Out and ejected.
@bonnorbassidy8198
Жыл бұрын
@@perman66 he was gunna be tagged 5 ft from the plate dumbass. This ain’t the 80’s
@unclejuan2274
Жыл бұрын
@@alanhess9306buster posey rule catcher can’t block the plate
@dkshrute1700
Жыл бұрын
“Next time don’t stand on the tracks when the trains coming through.” - Jack Parkman
@glennswiney185
Жыл бұрын
That's sick! It a kids game not a professional and beside play save
@Sirach985
Жыл бұрын
Love that movie
@ENDERTON2000
Жыл бұрын
@Glenn Swiney go find your safe spot
@monstertrucktennis
Жыл бұрын
@@ENDERTON2000 ...and have a Bud Light while you there.
@No_One1_Special
Жыл бұрын
What was the catcher supposed to do, you Ídíot? I’m sure he was expecting the runner to know the rules and play by them.
@AggieDad2026
Жыл бұрын
Years ago, I played in a softball fun league where one guy took it way too seriously. His own teammates hated him. When we played against them he tried to truck our catcher like this. The catcher dipped down and tossed him. His teammates busted up laughing. Dude, you just got dropped by a girl. Yeah, he tried taking out a girl in a rec league.
@bxf99999
Жыл бұрын
I never understood the logic in permitting a runner to knock over the catcher. That is no longer "baseball".
@umpireva5440
2 жыл бұрын
Umpire got it right.
@harryl7946
Жыл бұрын
Catcher held on to the ball. Hell yea the runner was out!
@josemartinezz9152
Жыл бұрын
@@harryl7946 he kid kid out of game and he out on tag
@craigdupree1687
Жыл бұрын
@@josemartinezz9152 He is out for malicious contact since itt is interference, and ejected from the game.
@jaybeezee4013
Жыл бұрын
Malicious contact?? Wth is the game coming to!!?! Next thing you know, the runner will just be made to try to stop running altogether.
@jeffhemmen9088
Жыл бұрын
Nope.missed it by a mile. It's clear you never played baseball. You can run the catcher over. Rules state you have to leave a path open. The catcher was blocking the plate and is totally fair game
@dylanshaffer2184
2 жыл бұрын
Great call by the umpire! In the correct position to see the play, also it doesn’t matter if there was obstruction or not, malicious contact supersedes it
@BigRef10
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely the correct call, but the umpire was totally out of position. He was, for whatever reason, considerably left of the plate up the 3B line. He should have been on 3Bline-extended, looking up the line. That way he can see all elements of the play in front of him without turning his head: ball, throw, runner, and defender - and possible obstruction by the 3rd baseman and a bag tag of the runner rounding 3B.
@ArtistDylan
2 жыл бұрын
@@BigRef10 I agree I thought the same thing about the umps position
@KingCobra08
Жыл бұрын
He was in the baseline, you can do whatever you can as long as your not in the baseline though. Right?
@dylanshaffer2184
Жыл бұрын
@@KingCobra08 No, that is incorrect, even if the catcher was blocking the path and had obstruction on the runner, the runner cannot lower the shoulder and make contact with the catcher. That is malicious contact and by rule is an automatic out and ejection
@angusmcculloch6653
Жыл бұрын
@@dylanshaffer2184 Pussy rule. I played catcher. I got bowled and I bowled other catchers. The idea that a person can't lower his shoulder to protect himself from a situation created by the catcher is a rule for pussies. Thank goodness I played baseball back when even 12 year olds were tougher than these people.
@markdonnelly6728
Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t blocking the plate- he caught the ball and tagged him while both were in the base path which is LEGAL IF THE CATCHER HAS THE BALL, which he did. The runner should have slid, although he was out by a long way.
@phillipscott7049
3 ай бұрын
As long as umpires don't understand rule and penalise the fielding team for waiting on baseline without ball the rule will never work. The fielder can not enter baseline until they have ball or to catch ball travelling along baseline, they can never wait on baseline without ball. It is only the responsibility of runner to avoid contact if the fielder is on baseline legitimately.
@FactsMatter
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent (easy) decisive call by the umpire prevented a brawl, I would think. Lowering the shoulder like that has no place. I don't care where the catcher is on the line.
@ArtistDylan
2 жыл бұрын
Ump was standing in the wrong place to make a call so there is lack of experience on the ump there for wouldn't be capable of calling interference on the catcher most likely had favored the catcher previously so theres only one way to fix the problem if the ump is inexperienced in the first place the catcher needs to be punished for thinking he can catch the ball 1 second before collision.
@jordananderson8446
Жыл бұрын
@@ArtistDylan so according to what you said the catcher is supposed to let the ball go past them or get hit by the ball
@domokun3142
Жыл бұрын
@@ArtistDylan bullshit
@sausagemcmuffin7419
Жыл бұрын
@@ArtistDylan get me your guy’s number for that good stuff you’re smoking.
@JAGL716
Жыл бұрын
@@ArtistDylan bro.. just... no
@steveslocomb
Жыл бұрын
A. I didn't see the catcher drop the ball, so he's out anyway. B. As a catcher, I've been laid out exactly like that
@valwagoner-jc9jn
Жыл бұрын
LeBron james
@RetreadPhoto
7 күн бұрын
This country gets slimier every day. How low will we sink?
@SunbeamGiant
3 ай бұрын
The catcher stands in the base line it’s fair and legal. Stand beside the line and tag him out if you want to avoid the collision.
@michaelstevenson881
Жыл бұрын
I've been on the receiving end of that contact and understand why the catcher wasn't moving. Brings back fond memories of catching for 7 years. Remembering that that runner was called out as well, which is what counts. After all, home plate belongs to the catcher, as well as second base.
@SimRacingVeteran
Жыл бұрын
I’ve never seen this before but KZitem asked me to rate this specific comment.
@charliepritt8230
Жыл бұрын
Poor catcher got reset to factory default settings.
@Cjust15
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 he’s gotta redownload all of his software all over again
@Kamikazefishing23
15 күн бұрын
The problem with contact like this is that nobody is really taught how to protect themselves in the situation. Catcher definitely got a concussion which is the shitty part
@RS4393
Жыл бұрын
I played catchers position when I was younger and rule #1 was if you stand on the base line you're going to get FREIGHT TRAINED....
@Jc-vf3ti
Жыл бұрын
As a former pro player back in the late nineties That catcher locked himself in the basepath he could side tagged him very easily.
@YTEdy
Жыл бұрын
That's my thinking too. Probably inexperience more than anything else. That said, I don't know what level this game was. It looked like the runner lowered his shoulder and hit the catcher in the face shoulder first. Even though the catcher was unwise to block the plate, the ejection was sound and I'd personally give the runner a couple games suspension for the deliberate shoulder to the face hit. This isn't MLB.
@octanina21
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Why are people asking runners to come to an immediate stop, it’s like staying on the tracks and hoping the train will stop.
@thewayiseeit4778
Жыл бұрын
Excellent point. If he didn't have his whole milk he should have stayed out of the baseline
@timesfly1081
Жыл бұрын
Former pro player in the late 90’s? Okay, I have 2 questions for you.. #1. Did you play for the American League or national league? #2. Is your name Rafael Belliard? 😂
@olik5652
Жыл бұрын
The throw home brought the catcher in front of the runner at almost the same time the runner was getting ready to truck him 🤷🏽♂️
@David-wu7jj
Жыл бұрын
I hope that kid woke up alright
@gurrys2961
Жыл бұрын
Yeah baseball players are soft as fuck. Probably had his mommy grab him some Starbucks on the way home.
@frankpalancio8471
Ай бұрын
If catcher is standing in the base path or blocking the plate, he's fair game
@franklinallen8566
Жыл бұрын
If only this video was longer to see all the reactions and bench clearing
@InsaneD602
Жыл бұрын
Bench clearing where everyone just runs at each other then stop just to talk haha shits so weak man
@markkeener5329
3 ай бұрын
If you intentionally drop your shoulder in order to truck someone it is an ejection!
@JurZelk
Жыл бұрын
Technically, catcher can’t block the plate until he has the ball, and if it’s determined that where he is would impede the path of the base runner, it’s obstruction on the catcher.
@MrTurner94
Жыл бұрын
As a catcher, let the runner have the side outside the base path with your left foot staggered back. Before the collision, shove your glove into the runner like you were hitting him with a bat. Simultaneously, pick your left foot up and allow to give with the force of the runner, this will make you turn your hips as the runner runs through you. At this point, you’ve got him on skates, finish the motion through and throw him to the backstop. The bigger and faster they are, the further and harder they will go. As a catcher, take command of your plate.
@Jammaster1972
Жыл бұрын
Baseball is a sport of fundamentals. Nobody teaches anymore.
@matthewburris769
Жыл бұрын
It's not YOUR plate, that kind of thinking is the problem. 1st basemen, third, second, and shoetstops seem to know this. What makes catchers different?
@jerrylansbury9558
Жыл бұрын
My milk hauler once told me..... its legal to run / bike on a public highway.......but when a truck hits you.....dead is dead !
@ghostfacekilla7410
Жыл бұрын
Yes sir. Text book. Make the base runner think twice about that next time he’s rounding third heading home.
@digitalmdrealmd9124
Жыл бұрын
How about that, someone who knows what hes talking about. As an ex-pro catcher i can tell you that you are spot on.
@adamspivey
Жыл бұрын
Clean. Catcher was in the baseline. I was a catcher in varisty high school ball, I welcomed this sort or interaction.
@Taylzz
Жыл бұрын
Read up on your rules. Catcher is allowed to block the plate when in the act of catching/already having possession of the ball. Runner MUST avoid the catcher.
@matthewbernard4152
Жыл бұрын
I’m ok with this being legal but to purposely bury your shoulder into the catchers head should be no different than assault because that runner would have a broken leg if I was there
@mrkoolio4475
2 ай бұрын
The trick is….lean forward and push forward right before impact…..for catcher…… Or quickly step to the side and make a tag from the side
@pla6ue
Жыл бұрын
That’ll teach that runner to teleport behind him next time
@TCUsouthpaw
Жыл бұрын
Nah I’d teach that catcher to knock the base runner’s nose out the back of his head next time. Trust me, a tag to the face at full speed is not worth trying to go Pete rose in a travel ball pool game. Quit trying to injure catchers and worry about teaching your players to make harder contact that way nobody gets downed in a meaningless select game..
@jakeoneill446
Жыл бұрын
Dude no the kids don’t need to make better contact the catcher needs to not be standing in the base path 3 feet before home plate… why should the runner who has to outrun a orb traveling 4 times faster than them bear the burden of having to move around the catcher. I was a catcher dude that’s a sleaze ball move to block the base path and id smash a catcher doing that. Literally stand a foot to the left and tag them as they slide. It’s lazy sleazy baseball to block the plate mfs use to get cleated for that
@danieltodd9038
Жыл бұрын
Block the baseline, get ran over. This stupid rule protects the catcher while he actively blocks the baseline for the runner. Where is the runner supposed to go? Can't leave the baseline. Should he just stop and sit down and wait to get tagged? I was a catcher for many, many years in organized baseball, and this is a dumb call.
@rushfan9thcmd
Жыл бұрын
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@bigdee8189
Жыл бұрын
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@bigdee8189
Жыл бұрын
It's called JUMPING UP to leap over the catcher!! Besides the runner had a helmet on!! I'm glad he was ejected!!! Screw him!
@rushfan9thcmd
Жыл бұрын
@@bigdee8189 the ignorant catcher had more padding and was away from the plate in the baseline, interference with the runner.
@bennylevine387
5 ай бұрын
I say in pro ball this should be legal. You don't need young teens incurring brain damage off of baseball when it can in any way be avoided.
@Kdogg12
2 ай бұрын
It wouldn't have been illegal if he didn't lower his shoulder in the catcher
@PR-nq4dt
2 ай бұрын
Then they should also make it illegal for the catcher to lower his shoulder.
@cozy_af2090
Жыл бұрын
I did the same thing in little league. Had no idea you couldn't bowl the catcher. Coach and assistant coach argued for me and we all had to leave the park. In hindsight, it's a good rule.
@sammatsusaka823
Жыл бұрын
I slid and racked the catcher. Coach told me GOOD SLIDE, but I talk to you and make like you did a bad thing. (coach was all smiles)
@puttingwarheadsonforeheads9872
Жыл бұрын
@@sammatsusaka823 cap
@uzifromtwitter5257
Жыл бұрын
I bulldozed a second baseman in little league, he was in my way and I didn’t know 😂
@sandlashj
Жыл бұрын
It's called the Buster Posey Rule.
@oscarwinner2034
Жыл бұрын
It's never been legal to run over a catcher in Little League no matter what a coach says. Never.
@RobertHouston-yn1zh
Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose was the men back in the day 💪🏽💪🏽
@FUYT888
Жыл бұрын
I don't think they all cheated like him.
@mbrown6854
Жыл бұрын
@@FUYT888you probably never watch him play. Gambling is one thing but his play on the field was so intense that only a handful of players could match.
@bigdee8189
Жыл бұрын
@@FUYT888- Rose didn't cheat!! He gambled on baseball after his quit playing!!
@chrismurphy4021
Жыл бұрын
@markl.2782 when exactly did he cheat moron? He was never even ACCUSED of cheating
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