A lot of the stigma around Goku's characterization of being a hero in the anime comes from that 90s/2000s localization changes funimation made, if you see what the characters say in the sub against the dub it's often times totally different, they took a lot of liberty with it. He's closer to the manga type in the sub
@sangoku876
2 күн бұрын
I think he didn't know that before making this vidéo Dub dragon ball is a totally different show from the sub
@CrimsonJay21
Күн бұрын
True true, goku doesn't really refer to himself as a hero either. He just likes to fight n protect the lil guy
@richborn6700
Күн бұрын
Yeah even Toriyama said the old films had Goku as more of a Superman type hero than he is in the manga/anime where the "poison creeps out" sometimes. That's why Super is jarring for more than just Goku seeming dumber than ever before. It's a far cry from save the earth Goku when he puts multiple universes at risk of erasure because "fuck it he wanna run them hands against anyone and everyone." I like the balance of being down to scrap anytime, but also understanding the consequences of those actions
@SK91NO
Күн бұрын
@@richborn6700 I like to think that Goku isn't being stupid, but not necessarily heroic he just wouldn't want his friends/family/planet getting destroyed cause uh he kinda lives there like any normal person would. Holds true sometimes, other times he's being too dumb to realize but yeah
@rynobehnke8289
Күн бұрын
@@richborn6700 See my issue is that this even in the manga was almost never how Goku was written him letting Vegeta life is liket he only example of this in the entire original run of the manga. Tienshinhan had a change of heart by the end of the tournament already Piccolo got to life so God wouldn't die and the Dragonballs could continue to exist. Goku gave Freezer a change to life on the condition that he stops his evil and never meets him again. The moment Freezer brock this condition did he go for the kill He was the only one that had moral reason for not going to Gero early as he didn't feel its right to punish someone for Crimes that they haven't commit yet And with Cell Did he explicitly want Gohan to kill him quick. Never mind that he forfit the right with Cell as he never planned on letting it end and only wanted to prepare Gohan. And finally with Boo had him give up his own change to have a fun fight to the end with Boo to give the next generation the torch And those are just some of the bigger examples. If there ever was any worth mentioning doses of this poison was it ether isolated to Vegeta or removed by the Editor against Toriyama's wishes.
@girlbuu9403
Күн бұрын
Toriyama said that if too many people would tell him that they "just knew Goku would win!" he'd have him lose. Really explains his record.
@StevenJones851
Күн бұрын
That explains a lot
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10 сағат бұрын
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10 сағат бұрын
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@StevenJones851
10 сағат бұрын
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 yeah
@Tyree42069
Күн бұрын
I wouldn’t say he was ONLY about hands in the manga. Most of his fights were actually about saving others. Manga goku is a good mix of being a hero, while selfishly wanting to fight a better opponent. Like he literally fought Frieza to avenge namekians and save his friends, he fought nappa and vegeta to avenge his friends and save the earth. Yes goku loves those fights, I mean he left vegeta alive to literally get a better fight later. But he fought vegeta with the soul purpose of saving everyone from him. Hell one of the most major moments in OG dragon ball was krillin dying and goku rushing in to avenge him only to lose and almost die. Again he loves to fight, but let’s not act that he isn’t heroic at all
@ShaunCTv
3 күн бұрын
Goku’s step stool is wild😂😂
@TheeBreadShow
2 күн бұрын
Say it ain’t so😭
@BraveImmortal101
2 күн бұрын
Gokus sloppy seconds
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
Ayoooooooo😅
@Highball1417
2 күн бұрын
You lost me at Goku calling himself an Earthling instead of a Saiyan is anime only. It happens in the manga too and it's very important for his character development.
@Kirbypiles777
Күн бұрын
Ya u right and Holy Spirit of the Living Jesus Loves u . u aka yeshis
@xLucaTomyx
Күн бұрын
For me it was some bits he talks about Super lol. Goku doesnt win against beerus, against hit, against black (Zeno does). And against Jiren he has help of 17 and frieza. And in the manga after top he doesnt win against Gas.
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10 сағат бұрын
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@diddly-squat9332
Күн бұрын
Yeah, does of us who were more into the manga than anime, have a totally different view of Dragon Ball... First time I truly realized was when I failed a super-easy (and boring) DB Quiz because the anime had Vegeta achieving Super Saiyan while crying like a baby while punching rocks in space, rather than while training like a real man on Earth. And that's the tip of the iceberg, cause the anime took things differently for almost everything... Anime Vegeta (just to circle back for a moment) is a goddam B*TCH! gets even humiliated by Gohan, when they got back to Earth from Namek, despite the fact that Gohan is waaaay weaker than him, in the manga, and also performs so much better, against Original Form Freeza than Vegeta (in the anime Gohan fights Freeza one on one after Super Saiyan Goku is sent flying into the boiling ocean); Another stupid change (out of the many) is when he comes back for a day to fight Buu, as soon as Goku tells him to fuse, he just says "F*ck you" and attacks Buu, even though he is greatly unmatched and he knows it, while in the manga he accepts almost immediately. And don't get me started on the first fight Goku had against Vegeta, that fight had me stressed on the internet cause Goku was so damn outmatched, even before Vegeta transforms, but the anime made them closer in power just so they could stretch the fight, like having Goku running and jumping around in Kaioken, to escape Vegeta Ozaru, when in reality he was decrepit because he overcommitted with the Kaioken. But even details like Gohan vs Dabra... was he Super Saiyan 2? Was he 1? Of course it was SS1, there was no doubt in the manga, and the fight was also, clearly, one sided and in favour of Dabra, but the anime did things it's own way and got everyone confused.
@Snowflake-hg1tn
2 күн бұрын
Whats your number 1 favorite ?
@GoPlayNTraffic
Күн бұрын
Probably something that is mid he’s young not a true 90s baby.
@TheeBreadShow
Күн бұрын
My number one favorite is Hunter Hunter for sure
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
Күн бұрын
@@GoPlayNTrafficnow thats a shet take
@hazelv.a.7976
Күн бұрын
@@GoPlayNTraffic self reporting your agism is crazy
@GoPlayNTraffic
Күн бұрын
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman I was right hunter x hunter is mid the creator can’t even finish a chapter. Lol
@IJJ5914
3 күн бұрын
the super saiyan 3 one was goku was wasting time to trunks get the dragon radar
@TheeBreadShow
2 күн бұрын
Are you talking about super saiyan 3 vs super buu? Or when goku first showed off the transformation?
@IJJ5914
2 күн бұрын
@@TheeBreadShow nah when goku showed it
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
Right
@ghostdude45
Күн бұрын
I agree that Goku was about hands, but he very specifically tried to save Gohan the first few major fights of the "Z" portion. Raditz is a given, but he wishes Gohan to be okay by name when heading toward the Saiyans as well as both times he had a "Super Hero" landing on Namek.
@NeoFlonx
2 күн бұрын
I think he was a hero tho Toriyama clearly failed to create his vision properly In the fight against nappa and Vegeta he didn’t fight coz he liked it he named all his friends who nappa killed against him and against Vegeta fighting him wasn’t top priority it was saving the earth sure he saved Vegeta bcoz he wanted a rival In namek he saved the peanut gallery’s asses against ginyu force In the cell saga he did not fight cell to see who wins but to test if Gohan could beat him and he trained Gohan to be stronger than him Boo saga was when toriyamas writing deteriorated
@zacbrown3797
Күн бұрын
this guy claims that he isnt in the manga, which i havent read so i cant say
@NeoFlonx
Күн бұрын
@@zacbrown3797 he clearly is you should read it but if u don’t wanna buy it mangadex or mangafire is here to help pirate it
@TreFKennedy
Күн бұрын
I prefer Superman Goku in the Og Funimation Dub
@stupidw33b52
21 сағат бұрын
noooo lmaooo 😭😭
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10 сағат бұрын
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10 сағат бұрын
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@zacbrown3797
Күн бұрын
I wouldn't say dragonball is simple, that being said simple doesnt mean bad and complex doesn't mean good, you can succeed at making a simple show and fail at making a complex show, and if dragonball is simple then it succeeded (for the freeza saga anyway 💀)
@gtc1554
Күн бұрын
And often times something simple can evoke complexity that isnt there and allow speculation.
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
Күн бұрын
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@BackAfter2Years
2 күн бұрын
I never really read the manga so i didnt know about this
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
Right
@ceiingfan
2 күн бұрын
Yo thank you this video is straight FACTS
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10 сағат бұрын
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@Avboyyy
2 күн бұрын
8:46 what do we know about Kai??? Thats the version I grew up with and love
@The_Blue_Otaku
2 күн бұрын
Yeah if I'm in the mood to watch DBZ Dubbed watching I'm throwing on DBZ Kai
@evad__1131
Күн бұрын
@@The_Blue_Otaku i mean DBZ Kai is even much closer to the manga than og DBZ so like just why not watch Kai like it doesnt make sense💀
@supagreatman2826
Күн бұрын
Still no explanation
@gtc1554
Күн бұрын
Yea I agree although i didnt like the opening Kai’s story was a lot tighter and accurate
@yoloswaggins5385
Күн бұрын
I feel so sorry for you kai is not near as good
@maliqjordan
Күн бұрын
I owned every manga as a kid and you couldn’t be anymore correct. Manga Goku was elite, he cared about saving Earth because he considered it his home and had a family. Other than that he just wanted to be as strong as possible. All the other heroic shit from the anime was filler and unnecessary. I feel people would look at Goku differently, more of an antihero than an actual hero if the anime version was accurate.
@kaioken654
Күн бұрын
I couldn't finish super, mainly because of the terrible aesthetic
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
Why😅
@edward18517
Күн бұрын
Manga Goku is the same as Anime Goku other than the filler stuff the Anime puts in.
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10 сағат бұрын
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@xande5345
13 минут бұрын
Toriyama once said, and I'm being deadass rn, that Goku sees his family as friends. Why's that matter? Well, to be blunt, Toriyama was a great artist and storyteller and he cooked a LOT, but sometimes buddy shouldn't even be left NEAR a kitchen.
@MacJack-z4i
14 сағат бұрын
He still had development in Z
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10 сағат бұрын
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@JefferyDX
Күн бұрын
loved the video bru, give him his flowers 🌹
@MacJack-z4i
14 сағат бұрын
Super is just trash legit bs
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
Why
@bendu8282
Күн бұрын
Goku isn’t a hero. He doesn’t even see himself as a hero, many people equate doing some good things to heroism. Goku was definitely more noble and possibly heroic as a kid but in his adult life his selfish side takes center stage. For starters he had Krillin spare Vegeta a dangerous villain cause he wanted to fight him in the future. Goku prolonged his fight with Frieza and nearly doomed the planet to test his own strength, he agreed with Vegeta to wait for the android attack instead of taking care of Doctor Gero then and there endangering the lives of civilians when he could’ve prevented it causing The Android/Cell Saga. When Goku knew Gohan only has the power to defeat Cell, he handed him a sensu bean to give Cell a fair fight prolonging the situation. Goku fought Majinn Vegeta knowing it could possible awaken Majinn Buu a great evil and to add insult to injury, He prolonged the battle against Majin Buu by letting him live in his super Sayian 3 form when he could’ve destroyed him at that time. Goku maybe pure of Heart in The Naive Oblivious sense and he may be a nice guy , he’s done noble things but Goku’s thirst for battle trumps any good aspects of his nature. He’s more of a noble warrior than a traditional hero, I know fans have their own interpretations especially due to the old Funimation dub, but that’s the character Akira Toriyama wrote. "Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn't fight for the sake of others, but because he wants to fight against strong guys... I've always been dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal they gave him."-Akira Toriyama
@Lowclasswarrior778
Күн бұрын
So toriyama just wanted to make an unlikeable protagonist then. Now I can see why some people prefer the funimation dub goku cause this one’s a POS lmao
@marshalkagami
Күн бұрын
@@Lowclasswarrior778fr. The way this dude is talking about goku makes it sound like he was supposed to be the other side of the coin to general tao or some shit.
@Wafflemaker3001
20 сағат бұрын
Click on video about dragonball get spoilers for hajime no ippo goddamn it
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
Ayoooooooo😅
@peterortiz1160
Күн бұрын
@ 0:52 he was doing that to stall buu
@crisstoff89
18 сағат бұрын
I'd suspect Toriyama watched Koyama's movie and that Goku is a bit more serious then his anime counterpart , he doesnt care much about fighting strong guys , he just wants to get things done and doesnt mind killing his opponnets. That Goku is the Goku that some people want , a bit naive but will get things done and doesnt mind killing someone , Koyama's Goku is the Piccolo Daimao Goku but in adult form or the Goku version just before he died against Raditz. Believe it or not Toriyama changed Goku alot of times, the first one is his clueless tiny self ,. fun and always seeking adventure , the second one in Piccolo Saga and the third one in the Piccolo Jr saga. 23rd Budokai. He brought back his Piccolo Daimao Goku at the start of the saiyans arc/chapters , you will notice he isnt excited about fighting and teams up instead of fighting one on one . After Goku dying Toriyama then went with the 23nd Budokai Tenkaichi self for having a fair fight and testing himself regardless of outcome.
@xkongzilla7243
Күн бұрын
Damn so Goku’s whole personality in the anime isn’t cannon.. I need a min
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10 сағат бұрын
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@jacobwest7
2 күн бұрын
his passing doesn't make daima a better idea all the sudden, but lets see how it turns out
@pisaschitt787
2 күн бұрын
It's not really his idea in the first place, it's supposed to be TOEI's original db work. But Toriyama got involved and he enjoyed designing the characters for this one, even helping them out on how it the story should go. No matter how bad or good it is, I think I'll enjoy watching it just like how he enjoyed being involved with this project
@jirotrom
Күн бұрын
Bruh .. the fact you mentioned Hajime no Ippo... Rep
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
What is that
@WalkWithMeCord
Күн бұрын
Naruto part 1 treated side characters as main characters up until a certain point in the series.
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10 сағат бұрын
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@The_Blue_Otaku
Күн бұрын
Yeah Goku in the sub is more or less how Goku is in the manga, hell the dialogue in the dub for Dragon Ball Z Kai from 2012 to 2017 is way more close to the manga compared to the original English dub from the late 90s/early 2000s which changed Goku's characterization to being more like a hero (So blame the localization at Funimation for giving Goku the "I'm the savior of the universe" shit)
@chris200830
Күн бұрын
You should try watching the anime in japanese or, if you really want to watch it dubbed, watch Dragon Ball Z Kai. You'll have a much more canonical experience than the Funimation dub.
@FN64Productions
Күн бұрын
Shows anime b&w photo he made Title "MANGA GOKU IS A DIFFERENT BREED ME: doesn't watch video
@MacJack-z4i
14 сағат бұрын
Idc what u say I prefer Z goku over manga not that it couldn’t have been better but that’s how I feel imo like manga ain’t bad and could be better too but yk
@qthebars
22 сағат бұрын
Great video King 💪🏿
@TheeBreadShow
17 сағат бұрын
Thanks brother, I got more coming for yahh✊🏾✊🏾
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10 сағат бұрын
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@smokeyjoe6059
Күн бұрын
8:44 - I haven't seen it, but why are you dissing on Kai? I heard that it cuts the filler to make it more manga accurate??
@ldariusd21
10 сағат бұрын
The movies are technically cannon since Akira said they take place in different dimensions
@lordraiden7397
Күн бұрын
The anime community would raise pitchforks at someone who likes db as their favorite but then like one piece.
@emopalsy
Күн бұрын
Well, to be fair with semi perfect sell. In the manga he had significantly less time to teleport back before the explosion then the anime made it seem
@DeezRotter
Күн бұрын
As a self admitted simple-minded person. Yeh. Yeh, you right.
@jordanglasper1064
Күн бұрын
Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!
@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
10 сағат бұрын
Me too❤❤❤❤❤
@tubster105
Күн бұрын
So movie Goku must be the goat
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10 сағат бұрын
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@fader72
6 сағат бұрын
what's wrong with Dragon Ball Kai
@gtc1554
Күн бұрын
This is an incredible video
@JefferyDX
Күн бұрын
HEHEEEE LEMME GET MY SNACKS
@devilmandiavolo2876
2 күн бұрын
Goku vs Dabura?
@EE3rd
2 күн бұрын
Yeah wtf was that about
@sangoku876
2 күн бұрын
I think you got mixed up between the anime and the English dub version of the anime Because where are this "heroic speeches" the anime gave to goku ? There is only one that comes to my mind ,its when uses the kioken against freeza where they changed the whole scene from the manga
@Ninjagoda15
Күн бұрын
What? You mean like only one lol
@Goiaba308
Күн бұрын
Nah. Sometimes they make Goku acts like super man
@sangoku876
Күн бұрын
@@Goiaba308 any examples for dbz ? Am not talking about the movies
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