Your assessment of him being a superstar, but checks every box for the next to go, is right on the money. It's not that he's a garbage or mediocre player...his numbers don't lie. It's just that given all circumstances, his playoff performances vs. his contract, and the fact that they need to build a TEAM and not just a core 4, the reality is that he's the odd man out. People in T.O. get too easily swept up in the "cult of personality", rather than building right.
@mil2172
4 ай бұрын
Bingo. It's not hard too understand this. People have this weird attachment to the guy. He wasn't wrong to say they are looked as gods cause there is a segment of the fanbase that treats him as such and attacks anyone who says otherwise.
@GospelTestimony
4 ай бұрын
@@mil2172 Absolutely. Building a winning team is not about one player, even though his regular season numbers are great. We desperately need the cap space so we can get goaltending, real defensemen, and maybe a winger that can play heavy.
@mannymistry68
4 ай бұрын
"He signed a jersey for my grandma...I don't care about that stuff" - that is hilarious. If Marner is traded, I think it is a message to the team. And that message is that the Leafs are focused on playoff winning players. Cap space becomes important when a large percentage of your cap space is allocated to players who are not performing in the playoffs and that's why regular season performance is not the only measure of value to the team now.
@johnsummerhill8323
4 ай бұрын
He is not being traded unless he wants to be traded.
@GospelTestimony
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely - 100%
@FredZiffel-s2o
4 ай бұрын
Not every player on the team needs to play with grit. I don't remember Guy Lafleur being gritty or Bossy.
@johnsummerhill8323
4 ай бұрын
@@FredZiffel-s2o Or the best Leaf of all time- Dave Keon. He won the Lady Byng a couple of times. He was a small player.
@johnsummerhill8323
4 ай бұрын
The minute any team starts allowing the media or a group of fans to dictate who is or is not on a team is the time they may as well fold the team .
@FredZiffel-s2o
4 ай бұрын
PLAYOFFS-8 YEARS Marner 50 points +10 173.5 min Matthews 48 points +2 171.3 min Nylander 43 points +1 147 min
@sukhjitsingh8269
4 ай бұрын
giving away the 1st rounder turned out to be Seth Jarvis and this kid is awesome now
@duncanmac2195
4 ай бұрын
Plus no picks next year.
@denniswesson1664
4 ай бұрын
I love your videos man... there are so many people who talk about the leafs but your the best.
@TheogRahoomie
4 ай бұрын
Kyle Dubas giving everyone NMC’s like they are candy was always gonna bight us in the ass.
@thobur2661
4 ай бұрын
NMC's should be banned.
@TRUMPONTHEGO
4 ай бұрын
@@thobur2661 I agree
@duke3196
4 ай бұрын
Great video tonight
@paoloricci4569
4 ай бұрын
With tavares up next summer too , a marner extension wouldn't ve horrible because we wouldn't have 4 guys over 10 mil. The attention needs to be on Defence, other than McCabe it needs a complete overhaul
@MrWaldorfian
4 ай бұрын
My recollection is that multiple teams offered Tavares $13M per but he wanted to come home to play for the Leafs.
@Tully-cy7yc
4 ай бұрын
In addition the Leafs knew it wld feel like an overspend at the tail end of JT's contract. So no surprise there. With Marner though, it wasn't suppose to be that, it was suppose to feel like an overspend at the beginning but a bargain at the end. But not so because of his performance when it matters. Marner is a selfish brat and will screw the leafs over because he can't see the picture and is surrounded by the wrong people. Thanks Dubas
@TRUMPONTHEGO
4 ай бұрын
He's family is here and wants to stay in Toronto so obviously he wants to stay
@cweedcoins1640
4 ай бұрын
I told you so Marner is not going to wave he has all the power he will walk next year in free agency you cant force him to move if you do get something for him make damb sure the player or players dont come with a NTC
@Jonesy1978
4 ай бұрын
Thank dubas for all this
@dtsx1557
4 ай бұрын
I disagree with the consensus view that the Leafs could get a nice return by trading Marner. He's got 1 year left on his current contract at a $10.9M cap hit which means he's essentially a one year rental at a steep cap hit. The only scenario where I could see the Leafs getting a good return would be in a sign-and-trade scenario which is very unlikely as Marner, or any player for that matter, would want to test free agency.
@billmills4040
4 ай бұрын
We are going to go from too much talent to not enough talent in 2 years if we trade him away…….people forget we went 10 years of missing the playoffs and 0 -1 really good players. When you get talent you keep it and build!
@rjd9374
4 ай бұрын
FIRE Shanahan and PLEASE TRADE Marner ! Berube won’t change how Marner plays. Compare Marner to someone who is even smaller like Marchand. As much as I dislike Marchand he is competitive and plays like a cornered rat. Marner plays like a cuddly bunny.
@jimlangdon1947
4 ай бұрын
Mitch doesn’t owe Leaf Executives and Leaf Fans anything. Mitch has been a regular season success. I respect Marner for honouring his contract and planning to play well next season.Leaf Fans why not be gracious and thankful to Mitch? Mitch doesn’t need to be traded by the Leafs. When his contract expires - Mitch can walk away and sign anywhere. Dubas in Pittsburgh has a great depth of knowledge on Mitch’s play. 😀
@mclovin9578
4 ай бұрын
Just here for the comments…keep ‘em comin’. 🙏🤣
@paulelliott7493
4 ай бұрын
The NMC's handed out by Dubas are a real anchor on making move's with the 'star' Leaf players, thats the main problem, i dont agree with those deals for anyone on the team (its not just the leafs who have handcuffed themselves). I also think trying to win a cup with a core of 4 forwards is stupid also.I think Marner will be moved, but he will have a large say in where he goes.
@carlostavares6070
4 ай бұрын
His minutes can be cut and he could be moved to third line if he refuses to cooperate. Hard to score big points for next big contract if he can't muster the points. Add that he will be booed and hated....he does not have all the power. I think he will play ball for these reasons.
@RickyLangley
4 ай бұрын
Look at all the playoff hockey players, they are BIG and FAST.
@waynejones5635
4 ай бұрын
Marner might just give the Leafs three teams he's willing to go to. Those three teams might not be in a rush to take on a $11M contract. If he can't perform in the playoffs that is a huge anchor around the neck of that team when it matters most. The Leafs have to be willing to take less to move him and free up that cap space, or risk having him walk at the end of the next season.
@sirshawnpaul6272
4 ай бұрын
If the Leafs end up trading Marner, it will NOT happen until after July 1st. So all the hype until that time when he collects his bonuses, no one will pay out the amount currently. There is no point to keep talking speculation from every one involved with reporting on the Leafs until after July 1st.
@billmills4040
4 ай бұрын
Take any other team…..when the coach looks down the bench and sees Marner, when does he say..ah shit!…never! He’s like..yes! Marner, you’re up!!….don’t give that away!
@larceny3092
4 ай бұрын
I agree with you
@johntapscott4528
4 ай бұрын
I am not as concerned about Marner walking after the upcoming season. That frees up a lot of salary room for the Leafs to sign one or two free agents to meet their needs. And Tavares’s salary will be much lower after the upcoming season. So there’s more salary room. The Leafs best seasons will be 2005-6 and 2006-7. Marner will be motivated to have a good season with the Leafs in order to maximize his value in the free agent market. When Sundin walked, I don’t know why the Leafs didn’t use the gained salary space to sign a couple of good free agents.
4 ай бұрын
Good point maybe trade Marner at the deadline to a contender but make sure we get something because Marner is useless in the playoffs. So it will not be a big loss. Cap space next year looks good.
@HardwoodFloorRefinishing101
4 ай бұрын
The smartest moves for MLSE will transpire as follows: Have Marner play out his contract and not resign him. Players on their final year of expiring contracts play harder. Once Draisaitl is available end of next year they should put the best offer forward to acquire his superior services. The current highest paid player on the Leafs couldn't care less about winning in the playoffs. 34 wouldn't sign for eight years here as he wants to keep his options open, so four years is all he gave us. If the Leafs wimp out again in next years playoffs then get rid of Prima Donna Matthews and go after McDavid when he comes available the following year. Who cares if he scores 80 regular season goals. If he can't dominate in the playoffs we don't need him. He'll be more than happy to go play in La La land. Then take the 13.25M he's getting and use it to bring in McDavid for 15M. While we're at it bring back Hyman, who's the Du(m)bass that let him go...Of course the deep thinkers charge don't have the balls, or are willing to follow through with the best moves for the team..Bowmanville Dave
@SeanRevivedLife
4 ай бұрын
I fully agree with you Mitchell Marner thinks he can Use The Toronto Maple Leafs too Pad his Stats this year , Then Leave for free , making Shanahan look like an Idiot , We have to #force a Trade for Key Assets Back , before this Guy becomes an UFA & WALKS FOR NOTHING 😱😭
@duncanmac2195
4 ай бұрын
Berube can make him drive his own 3rd line. He gets paid enough now earn it.
@lunar33icious
4 ай бұрын
Mitch is a very talented player, but the Leafs can also sit his ass in the booth & have TSN & Sportsnet focus the camera on him during the game as he sulks. Therefore making his value as a team player lower his AAV & next contract length. Sure, he can be signed by anyone else, but for chemistry's sake, no one GOOD or BIG will want him. ie, NYR, COL, VGK, BOS etc. Mitch has to listen to Tre & Berube & make it work or separate amicably to keep all their heads up high.
@dukem991
4 ай бұрын
Marner will get roasted in the media if he pulls a sundin and refuses a trade
@thobur2661
4 ай бұрын
I honestly don't blame him with all the hate and blame being dumped on him. This shit show is Kyle Dubas ' fault not Marners. He's just the whipping boy they seem to always need in Toronto.
@tomxynis4017
4 ай бұрын
How about getting a top 5 goalie ,we need 4 defence or we have no chance 🎉😢
@cgbur1
4 ай бұрын
They did well this year going seven games Overtime! Unfortunately lost a tough series
@cgbur1
4 ай бұрын
Leafs ❤
@garylawrence1226
4 ай бұрын
Imo the leafs have to realize that Marner is going to want close to league maximum on his next contract they also have to realize that their only trade scenario is when Marner says ill go to that or this team and agree to sign with term that being said the leafs are not going to get great value back best hope is for draft picks or near nhl ready prospects
@StephenSmith-zp7pf
4 ай бұрын
He's going nowhere, he doesn't want to move, its easy here. If he is still on the team come the start of training camp, Shanny needs to be fired. This is all his fault. He fired Dubus for suggesting they need to trade him.
@matthewsommerville8911
4 ай бұрын
If the cap was 100 mill, Marner would be asking for like 15 million, Matthews probably like 20 million lol no matter the cap these players will squeeze every penny they can get.
@thobur2661
4 ай бұрын
Tell me dumb dumb , who lead the Leafs in scoring the year they beat Tampa in the first round for their only playoff win in 8 years ???
@Karl-gd7kc
4 ай бұрын
Good talk much to think about
@landshark6897
4 ай бұрын
Leafs fans are relentless. Mitch is sure gonna take it if he decides to walk, next year would be real bad for him here.
@bryanskiffington1868
4 ай бұрын
Owen Power and two second round picks for Marner or Power and a first for Marner and Liljgren
@duncanmac2195
4 ай бұрын
Something tells me Marner wont waive for Buffalo.
@Rist_Shot
4 ай бұрын
Why is this rumour still going 🅐Mᴀʀɴᴇʀ has said he’s not going to go anywhere and that he’s going to free agency at the end of his contract so Marner’s gonna screw the Leafs just like Sundin did ffs Oh and both his agent and Mᴀʀɴᴇʀ himself has said this publicly now
@Banana-slushies
4 ай бұрын
New sub
@ronmatthews2164
4 ай бұрын
Marner is not waiving his no trade clause. He will leave in a year with the Leafs getting nothing for compensation. Don't give him any shifts with Matthews and his point totals will lower him down to a 7 mil winger.
@newfy709
4 ай бұрын
Dump Marner
@scottcampbell5536
4 ай бұрын
Why do you think Berube had a coffee with him. It was to just lay out what he expected. Marners agent is laughing all the way to the bank. He isnt going anywhere without a huge payoff.
@summerfling5415
4 ай бұрын
If Marner stays it his right but he will booed every time he touches the puck, and shout outs of go home Marner guaranteed, and will be put on the fourth line and no ice time, he will not want that...
@dh12.
4 ай бұрын
It's in the Leafs' best interest that Marner has a great season to keep him as a much wanted player by every other team.
@dougmackinnon5346
4 ай бұрын
Great video......good analysis. I am thinking Rielly and Nylander will be on the move. We may even see a few home town bargains pop up !
@chrismckinnon4241
4 ай бұрын
Marner is not the problem the problem is we need a number 1 goalie to start second we need 2 really good defence men as in a number 2 and 3 guy to compliment Reilly and give him the help he deserves back there. Salaries are stupid high so can’t blame the player for asking what he’s worth, however the league stalled on raising the cap so in essence that’s on the league who created that specific problem. Blame Gary Buttman I’m mean Betman
@Rain.34.89
4 ай бұрын
Muskoka Mitch is a problem. Leafs can’t afford a better goalie or better D because they’ve spent too much on the core.
@karenpoe3549
4 ай бұрын
@@Rain.34.89there are four core, and people only blame Marner.
@Dave-zj8vq
4 ай бұрын
Ill go a lil off topic Andrew about these negative comments you see. You gotta accept that your catering to leaf fans, and they can be very unreasonable and unrealistic speaking from emotion instead of logic, on top of that its the internet, and your gonna have trolls. I really enjoy your videos but wish you were more consistent in posting them, and with our real jobs, life and the frustration of reading negative shit in the comments can make us less motivated to create content. My suggestion is not to bring this issue up in your videos, and accept no matter how good your videos are, your gonna get hate, because theres no winning that battle, especially in sports …Thats all i got bud, and i hope i was able to help motive you a lil❤️💪
@NicholasChudy
4 ай бұрын
Trev is reliving the M K calgary situation again, its unfortunate. As for Marner he,s no D Keon, doesnt have the compitatve edge nor mental toughness although he has a grear skill set. TIME TO MOVE ON MITCH for the sake of the organization!
@dh12.
4 ай бұрын
Ovi and Marner could be fun to watch, but I'm sure it would never happen.
@Allen-k6n1o
4 ай бұрын
Bam Son
@chameleonadaptations5774
4 ай бұрын
Wait 1 Season JT is Done Problem fixed if my choices are a in his prime guy for an over the hill guy I am choosing Marner. Write off next season thats all.
@Rain.34.89
4 ай бұрын
So change nothing. Same core, same cap structure. Brilliant, just brilliant. The past 5 seasons: AM + JT + MM = 33.5M Next season if JT was traded: AM + WN + MM = 34M If MM is re-signed: AM + MM + WN = 37.25M
@chameleonadaptations5774
4 ай бұрын
@@Rain.34.89 3 words no trade claus.
@alex79suited
4 ай бұрын
Addadicktome, come playoffs for 16. Let the contract play out then make an offer. 9sheets over 8 years. Or have a great career kid. Peace ✌️ 😎.
@chrismckinnon4241
4 ай бұрын
You can’t let Marner do a Sundin move on you, can’t have that happen ever again! We got nothing for Mats back in the day he just walked and that fucking sucked, so again can’t let that happen with Marner.
@Rain.34.89
4 ай бұрын
Either he agrees to waive this offseason, or he walks next offseason.
4 ай бұрын
Time to leak info make it hard for Marner to even want to play in Toronto.
@coreybeck8804
4 ай бұрын
😂 I am so tired of this Mitch Martin of stuff I wish they would get it over with hopefully at the end before the new season starts
@erikmartin4996
4 ай бұрын
Cool video but they’ll just run it back
@talanlee223
4 ай бұрын
Mariner is going NO where live with it ‼️ He has a no trade clause and he ain’t waiving it ‼️ He’s a great player that’s taking the unnecessary brunt of the leafs being horrible in the playoffs ‼️ Trade Matthews ✊🏻
@jordanbrauer7706
4 ай бұрын
How about this trade mitch marner, topia nemilia, to Carolina for necas, jackob slavin, 2024 1st 2025 3rd
4 ай бұрын
Throw in Reilly and Robertson you got a deal.
@shirleydaley5335
4 ай бұрын
Even without the pandemic, these cap hits don't work lol, the cap wasn't going to drop that much and if it did, just means these guys get more of the pie, it's not about how much these guys are getting paid in dollars, but what % of the cap the are talking,
@robcollects3105
4 ай бұрын
Shanahan should have been fired. Leafs management is bad but it doesn't matter because the money keeps rolling in. Leafs will lose in the first round next year lol.
@WilliamMccormick-lt2wl
4 ай бұрын
It doesn’t come into play because it is not there they never had the money
@DogoodPOG
4 ай бұрын
Mitch Marner speed running most hated Leaf of all time 🤣
@johnsummerhill8323
4 ай бұрын
Not a chance.
@Rain.34.89
4 ай бұрын
Easily top 10 already.
@johnsummerhill8323
4 ай бұрын
@@Rain.34.89 LOL. Ask the real fans. Those 15 years and younger.
@Rain.34.89
4 ай бұрын
@@johnsummerhill8323 So ask Mitch fanboys? No bias there. The real Leafs fans don’t like him.
@johnsummerhill8323
4 ай бұрын
@@Rain.34.89 Those are the dummies that no one cares about.
@markrobinson2570
4 ай бұрын
Try moving Nylander Riely
@Rain.34.89
4 ай бұрын
Muskoka Mitch
@ginor8416
4 ай бұрын
Throwing Marner under the bus will turn off any free agent that’s thinking about signing in Toronto. Had to be a mutually beneficial deal
@c_telking4433
4 ай бұрын
Everybody knows Marner shrinks like a frightened turtle in the playoffs. And when you are heisting your team for 10.9 mil a season and do not deliver in the playoffs, then under the bus is where you live buddy. suck it up
@Flypcyde81
4 ай бұрын
i get you need to make content but find it elsewhere?. "Maple Leafs trading Mitch Marner?" Marner isn't going anywhere, you even said it. quit bringing it up.
@flannelfield5255
4 ай бұрын
marner: I want to be a maple leaf so I'm going to stay treeliving: that's nice we are not signing you next July marner: but I want to be a maple leaf tree and the fan base : that's nice...enjoy your last season if you want then.
@Devesci
4 ай бұрын
I Love Mitch but he has to mové. Play him on the 4th line until he accept a trade
@jasonandrews7030
4 ай бұрын
FIRST!
@billmills4040
4 ай бұрын
We are going to go from too much talent to not enough talent in 2 years if we trade him away…….people forget we went 10 years of missing the playoffs and 0 -1 really good players. When you get talent you keep it and build!
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