Solid response. FYI, I do not publicly identify as a Protestant, as I keep all that information private.
@andreramire1024
Жыл бұрын
🐐🐐
@TheCounselofTrent
Жыл бұрын
Sorry about that Michael. I will edit the video to snip that part out. Should take 1-2 hours to take effect.
@onvogmasaj
Жыл бұрын
CRYPTOPAPIST IP CONFIRMED
@YovanypadillaJr
Жыл бұрын
Yall should do a podcast episode together
@andrewdoesapologetics
Жыл бұрын
*The Plot Thickens*
@SaintCharbelMiracleworker
Жыл бұрын
Mohammed marrying and having sex with a minor is just one of the questionable things about his character. He expelled the jewish town of Bani Nadir in Arabia, he stole their wealth and enslaved their women. At the jewish Arabian town of Bani Kaybar he and his army invaded, here he ordered the beheading of 900 jews. At the Arabian jewish town of Bani Qurayza he killed the citizens and husband/family of jewish 17yo newly married Safiyah, he took her as a slave then he forced her to marry him, he was 60yo . Mohammed had 65 campaigns of war all successful, in one of those campaigns he wiped out the Jews of Medina in Arabia. Yet he is declared the perfect example of a human being.
@tookie36
Жыл бұрын
The god of israel drowning toddlers is questionable as well but we all make our excuses for our beliefs.
@HarpreetSingh-kj8ro
Жыл бұрын
This is why I am very pro-Israel. I love that Israel is under Jewish control again.
@SaintCharbelMiracleworker
Жыл бұрын
As Creator of life itself, God has sovereignty over it. We did nothing to earn the gift of our lives, and therefore we can’t blame God for willing its end. It is true that he gives life, but it also belongs to his divine prerogative to take life. He does this every time someone dies naturally or unnaturally. God’s will for a person to die in no way contradicts his divine goodness. God’s choice to cease imparting his causal power in keeping a person alive is nothing more than God’s choice to not will all the good that he could have caused, since for the person to remain alive would be a good. And since to not will some good is not the same as willing evil (e.g., it’s not evil that God could have willed more sparrows than he did), God’s choice to no longer will a person to live is not to will evil. Therefore, God’s choice to no longer will a person to live is not contrary to his goodness. So, God’s choice to cease willing the life of the firstborn males in Egypt in no way contradicts his divine nature.
@bestfans
Жыл бұрын
@@alonzoharris9049 I don't know what you mean! But for us Christian our model is our lord and saviour Jesus Christ. He is God and perfect human. As a human he showed everything other than SIN. Yet, Muslims see Muhammad as their role model.
@systemx3403
Ай бұрын
@@bestfansyes his a human like as and the best model this argument you got many many people answered on it to the point it become ridiculous when ever they brought Islam this is there only argument which is soo stupid
@journeyfiveonesix
Жыл бұрын
Islam, secularism, and Protestantism all rebutted in one video. Nice work.
@samueljennings4809
Жыл бұрын
Maybe evangelical Protestantism, but iirc, Anglicanism and Lutheranism aren't opposed to it, and the Reformers all believed in Mary's perpetual virginity, I think.
@shlovaski8393
Жыл бұрын
U talk like a kid. “Mommy we won the game”
@ilonkastille2993
Жыл бұрын
Those are the 3 most harmful ideologies in this world. In the Western world at least.
@DanV.Teachings
Жыл бұрын
@@shlovaski8393you write like one
@mikesarno7973
Жыл бұрын
Now Trent is just showing off.
@hogandonahue9598
Жыл бұрын
12:29 dude my brain exploded! It was like a puzzle piece clicking into place! Thanks Trent! Glory be to God. I understand even more!
@MrISkater
Жыл бұрын
Same!
@Keith-qj5dp
8 ай бұрын
What was the final picture? A priest raining a 8 year old altar boy?
@Keith-qj5dp
8 ай бұрын
Raping a 12 year old
@andrearebelo4275
8 ай бұрын
@@Keith-qj5dp could you explain why you bring that up at this point? I am not justifying those immoral actions, I'm just asking why you thought that it would be relevant here?
@Waldemarvonanhalt
4 ай бұрын
Even in ancient times, there were people who recognized that child or teen marriage was less than ideal. I can't remember which Roman historian it was (maybe Tacitus) writing about the customs of the Germanic tribes, he noted that they tended to marry in their early twenties, as opposed to the mid-teen marriages common in the Greco-Roman world, and spoke favourably about this practice as being more suited to preserving the health and vitality of women.
@m.pixley8413
Жыл бұрын
Also, besides Mary's rare grace We don't use Mary as an example of how to marry our teens because we don't imagine that our men are equal to God.
@Young_Anglican
Жыл бұрын
My goodness.... I think this just convinced me of the Immaculate Conception
@raymk
Жыл бұрын
I never thought that doctrine was this important....
@internautaoriginal9951
Жыл бұрын
@@raymk Because is not.
@Stak1776
Жыл бұрын
@@raymk *It is* as it eliminates Many untruths ergo all religions man made
@TheMacDonald22
10 ай бұрын
Funny seeing you here.
@Catholicguy-qs3ng
7 ай бұрын
Stak176 Talking as if you know more than Trent 🤣🤣
@IlluminosaImmortalis
Жыл бұрын
My sister went into puberty at two years old. Not many people know about precocious puberty or how intense the medication is, especially for a baby. It was really hard on my family but I'm so glad they caught it and took care of my baby sister so well!
@pilarrusso9883
Жыл бұрын
OMG.I Most it was desbastading.I never new that a child so young go through this.I believe to live the children alone to enjoy their childhood.Thouse Muslims should stop destroying the youth of the childhood.
@saintejeannedarc9460
3 ай бұрын
Wow, I knew puberty was hitting girls ever younger, esp. among black girls, but had no idea that it could happen to a baby.
@ZacCross-y4v
13 күн бұрын
@saintejeannedarc9460 why black girls specifically?
@mroc12
Жыл бұрын
This is one of his best videos. The way he elegantly ties it all together with the immaculate conception was masterful. And that this can be used both as a refutation of islam and Protestantism, while also a defense of the immaculate conception is Catholic apologetic art.
@charko4191
Жыл бұрын
I was always conflicted about Mary being young teen It felt wrong but I think what you said makes perfect sense Thank you so much for tackling such important issues I was born catholic and it seems like I still know so litlle and need to undertand what I stand for...
@batmaninc2793
Жыл бұрын
To be fair: we do have 2,000 years of history.
@charko4191
Жыл бұрын
@@batmaninc2793 yeah that's a good point
@batmaninc2793
Жыл бұрын
@@charko4191 Though, as someone who's spent more time in the past three years learning about the faith than I ever did in previous decades, I can tell you this: there's literally nothing stopping you from learning.
@shaunsteele6926
Жыл бұрын
"young teens" have been considered adults for the majority of human history. The idea of "teenagers" is fairly recent, in the last 80 years or so.
@batmaninc2793
Жыл бұрын
@@shaunsteele6926 No, they weren't. Adults go to war, even seventeen year olds can squeak by even when that is rare, but not "young teens". Typically, you couldn't even go to war if you weren't married and didn't have children.
@AnselmInstitute
Жыл бұрын
So grateful for all your work.
@Kaleb.F
Жыл бұрын
Very heavy topic and you handled with great care, Trent. I had never even considered many of these uncomfortable questions and it's a blessing to have these responses in advance so I don't have a theological crisis one day later on. 😊
@Grantthecatholic
Жыл бұрын
Definitely wish you’d do more apologetics on Islam 👍
@alisterrebelo9013
Жыл бұрын
He doesn't need to, check out Sam Shamoun (hands down the best Christian apologist against Islam alive) who is currently not affiliated to any Church but is very sympathetic to the RC and Orthodox Churches. There's also Christian Prince and David Wood but them being Protestants, be wary of that.
@anthonytan7134
Жыл бұрын
Islam is easy to refute, just ask them if they believe Jesus died crucified or not ? If they say yes, means that they contradict their own Quran, surah an nisa 157 :"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-" Yusuf Ali translation, but if they say no, they will be against historical evidences about the death and crucifixion of Jesus !
@notkingali1798
Жыл бұрын
@@anthonytan7134 Well did you read the verse or are you just willfully ignorant?? It clearly states that it appeared to them that he was crucified but he was not.
@zaidwasilbyjus4819
Жыл бұрын
@@alisterrebelo9013 you will learn nothing about islam listening to these people
@crusaderACR
Жыл бұрын
@@notkingali1798Jesus WAS crucified. If that's the Quran, then Mohammad got some Docetist bullshit whispered to him. Those nutjobs were the only ones that argued such a weird thing. Which is completely nuts, as the Docetists claimed the crucifixion was a deception only to harmonize the event with their belief that Jesus was 100% God and 0% man. Which is against Islam. What the heck?
@johnthetenor
Жыл бұрын
Oh hey bae grab a donut and let’s watch Trent together
@Dolfiey
Жыл бұрын
ok bebe gurl
@RedeemedCatholic
Жыл бұрын
I need to register the ideas in my head for copyright cuz this is the 2nd time Trent has done a video that i planned to do something similar🫠 dude is 2 steps ahead everytime.
@TheCounselofTrent
Жыл бұрын
Great minds must think alike!
@isaakleillhikar8311
Жыл бұрын
Make it anyway. What's the problem with two videos saying something anyway ?
@Trent you and @Michael Jones should do a video together about this topic please. Thanks for your hard work and studies. GOD BLESS your family and you. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
@LostArchivist
Жыл бұрын
I can handle almost anything, but this episode`s topic made queasy. I am very happy I have heard those arguments regarding the Blessed Mother before. And I am very glad to see even these have an answer. God bless you Mr.Trent Horn. Through the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Mother of God, in the Most Holy Name of Jesus Christ, our Blessed Lord and Savior. Amen! Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary, I place my trust in you. Amen.
@taraelizabethdensley9475
5 ай бұрын
It sickened me, that poor little girl, that false religion is evil
@catholicfemininity2126
Жыл бұрын
This is random, but I have been walking around my neighborhood praying the Rosary and I hope it helps get rid of crime especially disgusting crimes like pedo and pedo unions. >w
@Stak1776
Жыл бұрын
Sound of Freedom Movie incoming 📨 Spread the word 🙏
@MichElle-zc9tu
Жыл бұрын
Don’t miss the grace of blessing every area you walk with Holy Water or Blessed Salt claiming the blessing in Lord Jesus’ Name.
@bhgtree
Жыл бұрын
Amazing as always, I never come away from Trents videos without being enlightened and amazed. Many thanks.
@raymondhastings7036
Жыл бұрын
It might be worth bearing in mind that marriage is a sacrament and a valid sacrament has a matter, a form and an intention. The little girl in the video was not giving her consent, therefore she did not have the intention required. In contrast, the Blessed Virgin Mary agreed to go along with God's plan.
@angelalemos9811
Жыл бұрын
Amen very good point.
@JohnDeRosa1990
Жыл бұрын
Super interesting argument that I'd never heard before! Thanks for explaining this, Trent.
@snokehusk223
Жыл бұрын
Very good response and an argument.
@francikeen
Жыл бұрын
The Blessed Virgin Mary was age 14 at the time of the Annunciation and 15 at Nativity. And *14 was the normal age for girls to marry* in first century Judea. Mary was already betrothed (legally married) to Joseph at Annunciation. Pagan Roman Empire set girls' minimum age for marriage at age 12.
@Joker22593
Жыл бұрын
14 is also the minimum age for Girls to be married in Canon Law. IMPORTANT: Canon Law also says that local laws that increase the age by a few years supersede this.
@francikeen
Жыл бұрын
@@Joker22593 Thanks for the info! That's good to know that Canon Law supports the different social standards in different parts of the world. That way, the RCC can work in poor, primitive regions as well as more modern, advanced regions.
@shaunsteele6926
Жыл бұрын
didn't Elvis Presley marry a 14 year old lol
@princessc660
11 ай бұрын
By that logic if it’s okay for 14 year olds to get married because that was the culture then Muslims can say it’s was the culture too that’s why Muhammad had sex with 9 year old Aisha
@cynthiagdoa
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Trent! May God keep blessing you and your beautiful family and the Holy Spirit taking you to the wholeness of the Truth to help others like me :)
@paxvobiscum9200
Жыл бұрын
Trent, I am Catholic apologist (for some eastern european language area), with focus on criticising islam and similar false views. In video there is claim "marrige can be consumated when child reaches puberty". It is actually not true (Maybe Haqiqatjou sounded like that, but he never used those words), because muslims differ puberty and physical strength. To them, it is not matter of puberty at all (Aisha was neither in puberty in 6 nor 9), but: physical strength. In other words, if child would be not torn apart by sexual intercourse, then sexual intercourse is okay. Hanafi Fiqh says clearly that "The permissibility of consummating a marriage with a girl is based on her physical strength and not on her age". I won't put link from this source because KZitem would remove my commet, but you can find that if you Google by question: "What is the minimum age for a girl for her to consumate her marriage with her husband? Is it puberty?" by Shaykh Ebrahim Desai, on IslamQA org site (one of the most popular islamic sites in the world). You would find that answer. Also, IslamQA info (probably most popular islamic site in the world) says this: "Marriage to a young girl before she reaches puberty is permissible according to sharee’ah, and it was narrated that there was scholarly consensus on this point". That is because in Quran and islam, there is something called "iddah", that is, waiting period before woman can have sex before remarrying. As you can see, since that also aplies to children (because Quran it states: "and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature)"), that means also that children can have sexual intercourse in islam since they are ones who are still immature. Later, at the end in same source they say "to marry a minor girl does not imply that it is permissible to have intercourse with her, rather the husband should not have intercourse with her until she becomes able for that", but we found in frist source what that means in islam; and that is precisely they wouldn't want to write word puberty, since they know it is not matter of puberty. Not age. But physical strength. So in other words, if muslim concludes his "wife" is strong enough by age of 7, that applies for having intercourse with her. No real age limit. Of course, today's liberal muslims like to sugar coat these true teachings of islam, but that is called taqiyya in islam (trying to conceal the truth). But that is hypocristy. I would like to get more into dismantling islam, Trent. Maybe commenting on classich fiqh books, like Reliance of the Traveller. You would find there terrible teachings where of course sexual intercourse with children is approved. That is all in shariah law. God bless you dear Trent.
@joehouston2833
Жыл бұрын
Do you know Christian Prince on KZitem, bro?
@Patrick_Bard
Жыл бұрын
"In video there is claim 'marriage can be consummated when child reaches puberty'. It is actually not true" Well, it is true, that guy professes that, others muslims may not. There is disagreement about that, sure, but that does not mean that it's not true that some muslims do hold that position. We should always take great care with generalizations.
@paxvobiscum9200
Жыл бұрын
@@Patrick_Bard no, Haqiqatjou doesn't profess that. He claims consumation can be below puberty. Read my comment to the end.
@Summer-sx7xl
Жыл бұрын
Somehow physical strength is worse than puberty
@macroglossumstellatarum3068
Жыл бұрын
Aš lietuviskai!
@mehmeh217
Жыл бұрын
This might be the best video I’ve seen from you. Great work!
@josephjackson1956
Ай бұрын
I like hearing the opponents to certain Catholic teachings, because it gives a good medium for a great explanation and examples of what the Church actually teaches and how certain dogmas came to be and the reasoning behind them.
@nukeplatine
Жыл бұрын
I mean, a couple of days later, Mary uttered a praise that shows she is at least of the intellectual level of a fully gifted psalmist. That's what we do know for sure.
@thomasjorge4734
Жыл бұрын
I have always imagined Mary as 15 and Joseph as 30, thus older, but not old.
@skylinestudiosrc
Жыл бұрын
According to Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, she was 14 when she got engaged.
@shaunsteele6926
Жыл бұрын
that was fairly normal for the time and culture. Women were not expected to go to school or obtain "careers", so by 15 they were ready for marriage and family life.
@princessc660
11 ай бұрын
@@shaunsteele6926 By that logic if it’s okay for 14 year olds to get married because that was the culture then Muslims can say it’s was the culture too that’s why Muhammad had sex with 9 year old Aisha
@rayzas4885
10 ай бұрын
Joseph would be only a few years older
@Ansoriah
10 ай бұрын
I aggree.That story of Joseph being chosen because his staff flowered is just a legend. There is a reason why the "Book of James" was not included in the Bible! It's full of silly stories about baby Jesus. Mary as 15 and Joseph as 30 sounds perfect.In those days, a Jewish man was not supposed to marry until he got a job and could support his wife.
@pulsar403
Жыл бұрын
The red polo makes Trent look like the Papa John's guy.
@csar07.
6 ай бұрын
😂
@riggs134
6 ай бұрын
I believe the Papa Johns guy is called called Papa John. And you’re right, Trent does look like him!
@wilfredolopez8319
Жыл бұрын
God bless you brother proud Catholic
@peeposhake2607
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Trent, May God bless you and your family.
@Dash_023
Жыл бұрын
Good points, Trent
@housecry
Жыл бұрын
I remember watching CNN's segment and thinking they could have offered the girl's father ten times what that old, perverse man gave to buy her. Did no one speak up for the child? How could any human being allow that to happen? They could've stopped her father, but then I guess they wouldn't have gotten the story they were after.
@markoz673bajen8
Жыл бұрын
This is because happened of old man named JB who got elected as President.
@angelalemos9811
Жыл бұрын
Good point.
@Kitiwake
Жыл бұрын
He's 55. That's not old.
@ExtraVictory
Жыл бұрын
Lmao. I was born in Japan and l can probably explain that. Let's say you're American, and visit Japan for a news story. You see that porn of underage girls, loli porn, is a billion dollar industry. That horrifies you. So you stop a man on the street, who is about to buy a porn game or comic about a little girl. And you pay gim 10 times as much not to buy it, to try and prevent such things from happening. But that was totally futile lol. After you guys part ways he will just continue to buy it. Or buy another similar one. It's already legal and popular. It isnt going anywhere so stopping one example in one moment isn't gonna do anything lol. In the case of CNN they care about the concept of child marriage, not that particular girl. If they paid the dad off as soon as they part ways he will just sell her again and it wouldn't even do anything lmao
@ExtraVictory
Жыл бұрын
Lmao. I was born in Japan and l can probably explain that. Let's say you're American, and visit Japan for a news story. You see that porn of underage girls, loli porn, is a billion dollar industry. That horrifies you. So you stop a man on the street, who is about to buy a porn game or comic about a little girl. And you pay him 10 times as much not to buy it, to try and prevent such things from happening. But that was totally futile lol. After you guys part ways he will just continue to buy it. Or buy another similar one. It's already legal and popular. It isnt going anywhere so stopping one example in one moment isn't gonna do anything lol. In the case of CNN they care about the concept of child marriage, not that particular girl. If they paid the dad off as soon as they part ways he will just sell her again and it wouldn't even do anything lmao
@cristinamz2137
Жыл бұрын
We need to pray for the conversion of all Mohammadans so that these atrocities will stop taking place. We need the Blessed Virgin Mary to go in there and civilize these people. And yes, I am calling them barbaric. No apologies. Many of these little girls end up pregnant at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old when their bodies are not fully developed yet and the babies conceived take a toll on their bodies, unable to bear them, they are literally torn apart as the baby comes out, many babies and the little girl mothers die in the process, the ones who survive are scared for ever, physically and spiritually. What do their Mohammadan captors do? They shame them for being incapable of producing babies. It is barbaric.
@zaidwasilbyjus4819
Жыл бұрын
You believe everything this guy says about islam don't you ?
@princessc660
11 ай бұрын
Was Mary not around the same age Muslim woman get married the Catholic Church till this day allow 14 year old girls to get married no matter how old the guy is why don’t u call them out too.
@cristinamz2137
10 ай бұрын
@princessc660 The issue is that that allowance of letting girls get married at 14 is not written in stone, it is changeable and can be te written. Now, in the Christian world, if any man tries to marry a 14 year old girl, he goes to prison, it doesn't matter what the antiquated tradition was. But for you Muslims, it's different. You won't change that teaching because it comes from Mohammad, whom.you obey as if he were a god. You guys can't change it, you are stuck with it. But we Catholics, we can change it, and have done so in the fact that we allow the law to supetscede that antiquated / outdated belief.
@Polones12
Жыл бұрын
That beginning is sickening.
@Martin4Mary4Ever
Жыл бұрын
This is your best video. I don't think you'll ever beat this one
@vinceonyoutube
Жыл бұрын
In Luke 1:28 the angel Gabriel says to Mary: ”blessed art thou among WOMEN”. Also, Luke 1:36 “And behold thy COUSIN Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son IN HER OLD AGE” Compare this with Mark 5:41 “ Taking her by the hand, Jesus said, “Talitha koum!” which means, “LITTLE GIRL, I say to you, get up!” Immediately THE GIRL got up and began to walk around. SHE WAS TWELVE YEARS OLD” And Luke 2:42-43 “And when he was TWELVE YEARS OLD, they going up into Jerusalem…when they returned, THE CHILD Jesus remained in Jerusalem” It is clear in scripture that twelve-year-olds are considered “children” and Mary would not have been referred to as a “Woman” at the annunciation (by the angel nor later, by Elizabeth) if she was a child of twelve. Elizabeth, Mary’s cousin, was “advanced in age”, the same word “probebēkuia” as used for the prophetess Anna in Luke 2:36-37, where it says she was eighty-four years old. It seems unlikely that there would be such a huge age gap to be cousins if Mary was so young. Also, consider the many visions and apparitions of Mary holding baby Jesus. Not one says that the “child” Mary or “young girl” Mary was holding baby Jesus, it’s always “lady”.
@shaunsteele6926
Жыл бұрын
Mary would have been around 15, not a "child" by anyone's cultural standards but our own in the last 50 years or so. In Jewish tradition you're an adult at the age of 13.
@PhantomRed13
Жыл бұрын
This makes my blood boil...
@Lulue_90
Жыл бұрын
And I had a apple yesterday
@basharalassad6854
Жыл бұрын
Why?
@PhantomRed13
Жыл бұрын
@@basharalassad6854 9 year old being sold off to a 50 year old man. She obviously doesn't have any say and doesn't want to go with him, it's sickening.
@shaunsteele6926
Жыл бұрын
@@PhantomRed13 in Islamic culture women are property, like cattle. What they want is irrelevant.
@princessc660
11 ай бұрын
@@PhantomRed13 Before 1917 the church allowed 12-year-old girls and 14-year-old boys to get married to someone no matter how much older. A 12-year-old is only 3 years older than Aisha when she had sex with Muhammad at 53. According to the church, it would been okay if she was 12 with a 53-year-old. Even though Aisha didn't have a period yet she could have had a period at 9. A 9 and 12-year-old are still going through puberty. That is hypocritical to say it's not okay for a 9-year-old but it's okay for a 12-year-old. Even though the church raised the minimum to 14 for girls and 16 for boys they still have no age restriction. Meaning a 14-year-old and a 50-year-old could marry. Even if it doesn't happen often the problem is the church allows it to.
@cbeaudry4646
Жыл бұрын
You never did circle back to WHY God chose a 12/13 yo Mary instead of when she was older But absolutely great video, & I learned a lot about the Doctrine surrounding Mary!
@sarahwong9138
3 ай бұрын
It was mentioned that Mary's age was never actually mentioned during the Annunciation
@dokidelta1175
8 ай бұрын
As a Protestant, I am not militantly against the Immaculate Conception, I am just merely unconvinced. I mostly don't like the implication that sex is somehow dirty, or bad, since sex is a gift God gave humanity and the very first command.
@iggyantioch
7 ай бұрын
Distinction here for my self Sex vs the marital act and the context of 1 century Judaism perhaps.
@dooley5983
5 ай бұрын
The implication without the immaculate conception is that Mary had to have some fear in if she said no. And the same way a boss cannot impregnant a worker (even in a non sexually way) because there’s a power imbalance, that would make Mary not free to say No. Without immaculate conception, Mary is not truly free to say yes to God. You should rewatch this video. Because I too was skeptical of the necessity of this concept. But after understanding that God would never put a woman in a position where she is only saying yes to pregnancy because she fears of what happens if she says no. I love this argument.
@dokidelta1175
5 ай бұрын
@@dooley5983 There are numerous ways God could complete that, and where scripture is silent we ought to be as well. Perhaps immaculate conception is true. Who knows. But scripture does not tell us that, and so we don't have the right to say it does.
@dooley5983
5 ай бұрын
@@dokidelta1175 you should watch Trent’s video on the NT canon. In it, he goes through how none of ten of the earliest church fathers refer to the NT as “divine scripture”. Jesus didn’t establish a book on this earth. He established a Church, and that church gave us the Bible you read to today. The Bible is inerrant, but the Biblebitself doesn’t claim to be the only source of inerrancy. It says to adhere to the scripture AND the oral traditions passed down. I also agree that God could have done it many ways, but do you have a more compelling way than the immaculate conception ?
@LizJohnston-s7w
10 ай бұрын
I just loved this video. You turned an evil argument into a beautiful explanation of Mary's purity.
@tell-me-a-story-
Жыл бұрын
I think Mary was young, But I don't think there's any reason to think she was 12 or 13. Maybey like fifteen. Joseph was almost surly the same age.
@shawnboahene5231
9 ай бұрын
Actually it is believed he was far older than her
@crekow
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Trent! You've given me much to think and pray about. I accept the teaching of the Immaculate Conception, and I have often thought of it as God's way of "stacking the deck" against Satan. It was God's way of insuring that Mary would say yes to the plan of salvation while also preserving her free will. However, I had never heard it said that God would not have been "displeased in any way" (13:50) if she had said no. That is a new point for me to contemplate. But then what would have happened if she HAD said no? I suppose that God would have either created another woman immaculately or He would have found another way to save mankind (?) I have a hard time believing that God would have given up on the project altogether if Mary had said no, but I suppose that would have been His prerogative to do so.
@Patrick_Bard
Жыл бұрын
"But then what would have happened if she HAD said no?" The problem with that is that we are at pure speculation at this point, there is no way we can possibly know for sure what could have happened. We can only speculate a couple of hypothesis and check which one sounds more plausible.
@Joker22593
Жыл бұрын
I believe that God gave Mary the gift of the immaculate conception because he knew she would be the one to freely say yes in any possible circumstance.
@djohn9737
Жыл бұрын
God made Mary without sin and with perfect love for him and neighbor. Since she had perfect love for him, she would always want to please the Lord. Since the Lord is outside of time, although Mary had free will to say 'no', the Lord knew she would choose 'yes. Therefore the Lord did not have to be concerned about a hypothetical 'no' scenario.
@crekow
Жыл бұрын
@@Patrick_Bard I guess you're right. It doesn't really help us to dwell on "what if's". My point was not just for sheer speculation, but to understand the doctrines better.
@sh0lle
9 ай бұрын
When you are without sin then your will is perfectly aligned with God’s will. That’s why even if you CAN, you DON’T WANT to say no since you and God want the same thing.
@lolobabes8653
Жыл бұрын
Great work...
@nico0826
Жыл бұрын
Babe wake up, Trent just posted
@stevew1669
Жыл бұрын
Brilliantly argued, as always.
@paulencinias6413
8 ай бұрын
Very enlightening connecting between freedom and the immaculate conception. Thank you
@Satheesh-Catholic
4 ай бұрын
Woww!!! What a beaU….tiful argument!! Thanks a lot, Trent, for illuminating this brilliant side of this great dogma. .
@Kostas_Dikefalaios
Жыл бұрын
Many protestants here using the chance again to attack the Holy Mothers sinlessness.
@Justas399
Жыл бұрын
Not attack but refute it because Scripture does not teach it.
@Kostas_Dikefalaios
Жыл бұрын
@@Justas399 You are taking away from her greatness, which is an attack on her. You mean just like Sola Scriptura which isnt in scripture? Holy Tradition says "hi" btw.
@shaunsteele6926
Жыл бұрын
she wasn't sinless. If she was, then Christ's birth was unnecessary and she could have died for our sins herself.
@Dostoevskys_Quill
Жыл бұрын
@@shaunsteele6926 No she couldn’t have, Our Lady was not the son of God, she was not God incarnate…she was not the Logos or the second person of the Holy Trinity. It’s not the sinlessness of Christ, it was that sacrifice of the son, both fully human and fully divine. The sacrifice of God himself, not of his Mother.
@michaelhaywood8262
Жыл бұрын
Here in England the minimum age for marriage has recently been raised from 16 to 18. However it remains 16 in Scotland and 17 in Northern Ireland.
@michaelhaywood8262
Жыл бұрын
@elizabethbennett3930 I agree that the age of consent should also have been raised to 18. It was a missed opportunity by parliament. I would like Scotland and NI to raise the age as well,but it is unlikely in the case of Scotland, and it is possible that it may be 17 in Northern Ireland in order to be the same as the south.
@iwansaputra1890
Жыл бұрын
in islam there's no marriage, but trading woman between man and woman's parent.
@basharalassad6854
Жыл бұрын
Like how it was in Christianity, what's the issue exactly
@foodmaniac9339
Жыл бұрын
@@basharalassad6854 if you used an inch of brain that you lost, you would not have put that shit. Christianity does not trade marriage. It's placed as a sacrament.
@illyrian9976
Жыл бұрын
@@basharalassad6854 Wrong, consent always played a major role and the church would not marry two people without consent of both parties.
@basharalassad6854
Жыл бұрын
@@illyrian9976 Nope, arranged marriage literally was commonplace up until modernity. This obsession with consent only came from the feminists in the 20s.
@brittoncain5090
Жыл бұрын
@@basharalassad6854Even if a marriage was arranged, the two being married still needed to willingly enter the marriage.
@jowardseph
Жыл бұрын
This is a fascinating angle. Thank you!
@catkat740
Жыл бұрын
Hmm, the only thing I kind of question,Trent, is the authority figure relationship argument. Is that a modern view of it? Biblically, becoming pregnant is always shown as a blessing; in fact, barrenness is the curse. I just don’t see the support for someone potentially saying yes solely out of fear of God’s punishment. I see the support for acting out of fear of God’s punishment more generally but when it comes to pregnancy it just seems everyone is eager to say yes 😊 I’m interested in that other guy’s argument for this though. I’m thinking people might say something like “Well in Scripture people who do have original sin do far more risky, sacrificial things and we don’t assume they are doing it merely out of fear of God’s punishment” 🤔🤔
@shawnboahene5231
9 ай бұрын
I thought the same thing. It’s not coercion if merely a power imbalance. This view very modern and frees anyone from bad judgment calls. Take Trent’s example of a poor woman having sex with a rich man for money as the man being coercive. That would mean every prostitute is then coerced and therefore a victim of every John they encounter. That’s not the case. Integrity is a virtue and it may cause us to sacrifice. If someone offers a million dollars for you to break away with virtue, sacrifice is necessary. We are all free to make choices either towards God or away
@avrgrando
10 ай бұрын
These things are always interesting to me as an atheist. Muslims try to bring up Mary when defending Aisha, but they have no response when speaking to an Atheist who believes neither was right. Before anyone attacks 18 or so as an arbitrary number, it is an age that society has more or less agreed upon, in which we believe the person has reasonable mental faculties to be treated as an adult. For those who might try to attack my views on abortion, I am pro-life because I believe all biological life begins at conception. I also don’t believe teens or kids can decide their genders.
@BernadetteVanBlerk
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Thank-you. 💕🙏🏼💕
@EVA-ki5vw
Жыл бұрын
Allah isn't God to begin with
@user-fb2jb3gz1d
Жыл бұрын
I heard that Mary was given the grace, the same grace we received from Jesus. But that she received it before anyone else. Which is why Gabriel told her, "Mary full of Grace...." I can't remember who proposed it. Dr Brandt Pitre, maybe?
@jeremysmith7176
Жыл бұрын
17:07 Trent I can envision a protestant response that a grace given to Mary is necessary for the incarnation through to be through Mary's womb, but that the immaculate conception of Mary is not necessary or the only form the grace could take.
@nathanbustamante1525
Жыл бұрын
God does a lot of things that aren't technically necessary. He could have saved us without becoming man, for example.
@theresaboldt5797
Жыл бұрын
Who cares what heretical Protestants think? I am tired of hearing their ignorance about the One True Faith.
@danielhaas9469
Жыл бұрын
@Nathan Bustamante how and why do you say this? Before or after or both when God said to all of the plants you are free to eat except from that tree in the middle. If you do eat from it you shall surely die?
@nathanbustamante1525
Жыл бұрын
@@danielhaas9469 I don't know what you're asking. Are you saying that because God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree that everything he does isbtherefore necessary? I'm very confused.
@danielhaas9469
Жыл бұрын
@Nathan Bustamante you said he could have saved us without becoming man, how do you know this? Since God told Adam that if he ate of the tree he would surely die. What I am asking is could God have changed his mind after the fall in saving is people or before the fall?
@DavidLTJ
Жыл бұрын
Great Video! Thanks Trent.
@samt6492
5 ай бұрын
They're also now claiming Rebecca was 3 when she married Isaac
@ArchangelsBookClub
Жыл бұрын
Algorithm feeding comment.
@TheCounselofTrent
Жыл бұрын
Algorithm feeding response. -Kyle
@ArchangelsBookClub
Жыл бұрын
xD
@khoalam888
Жыл бұрын
A very fitting video for the month of May. Totus tuus
@Inari1987
Жыл бұрын
I may have to watch this again
@tabs91
5 ай бұрын
Do you have a video about the 27-book New Testament mentioning Jesus' brothers and sisters? I've seen others' videos about it which did not convince me.
@thewiseandthefoolish
Жыл бұрын
Interesting perspective and no qualms with Trent. I don’t necessarily think the power imbalance between God and man needs to be resolved. He is God and he has authority to do what he will. We submit to God’s authority in general without an immaculate conception all the time. Perhaps this needs to be the case for something so sacred, but I’m not sure that has been demonstrated. I can also see it being the case that Mary trusts God and knows his goodness and knows she will be ever blessed, and that God would not come to someone who he knew wouldn’t trust him or choose him based on coercion.
@bman5257
Жыл бұрын
“That’s proven by evolution! I don’t believe in evolution FYI.” -🤡
@nicbentulan
3 ай бұрын
19:05 ambiguous 'her conception' - could be when mary was a zygote vs when when mary was pregnant with Jesus?
@mitromney
Жыл бұрын
I've always said that marriage is just another word for slavery in Islam. Those who have muslim relatives know what I'm talking about. A woman rarely has any say in marriage. And when she is married, she can not say no to sex, or physical labor around the house. She can also be beaten and even killed for not obeying or doing a poor job. It's textbook definition of slavery, with a touch of sexual slavery and human trafficking if we are to be precise. I'm not sure why would anybody be so shocked with these new debates about child marriage in Islam. They are already treating the physically weaker women as disposable sex objects and free labor. Why would they treat children any better, they can not defend themselves any better then women can. Also, I'm glad I'm not Catholic. Saying Mary could've been 13 or 14 is absolutely ridiculous, I'm glad I can just dismiss that as human traditions that are in error. We do not know how old was Mary, plain and simply. And we DO know, that God is good and loving. So no, Mary certainly wasn't a child or an early teen when she gave birth. God constructed female bodies himself. He knew when it's safe for them to give birth both from physiological and psychological perspective. Also, can't see how the dogma of immaculate conception helps at all. Obviously, Mary can freely say yes or no to God even with the disparity of authority. We do not KNOW if she felt confident that she could say no, but certainly, we also do not have any information to the contrary of that. So, once again, we know God is good and loving, and lack information, so there is no reason to judge God as an old pervert. We can be sure Mary ACTUALLY gave God her consent, because we can trust God. We do not need a man-made dogma to establish this. Mary called God her savior. She made burnt offerings for her sins. She doubted Jesus along his siblings, to the point of Jesus calling others her mother rather then her. She disobeyed Jesus during wedding ceremony. Not to mention Bible clearly says, children aside, that ALL of humans are sinful and need Jesus's sacrifice! And the only human who is ever listed as an exception who was not touched by sin is Jesus himself. Please dear Catholics, stop explaining away plain passages like those Jehova-witness style, "oh BUT it can also mean this or that". Mary was certainly showed to be a regular human just like every one of us and the amount of unusual explanations you have to use to force Catholic dogma into these texts alone should tell you something is simply not right and your Church may be simply trying to hard to cover its past hyper-mariological traditions. Catholic Church already proved they are willing to even twist Scripture itself in order to make her SEEM more important and holy than she is (talking about the vulgate author changing the "stepping on serpent" thing) and if you look at the pre-Vatican II mariology you'll quickly notice that marian theology in Catholicism was simply running completely criticism-free for centuries.
@brittoncain5090
Жыл бұрын
Boy, there's a lot wrong here. Just to pick one, the sin offerings that that Mary made after giving birth to Jesus were for a mother and her child. Either this offering proves that both Mary and Jesus had sin, or it doesn't prove either of them did.
@keithmokry8066
Жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure the age (specifically or generally) at which Mary is believed to have had Jesus is not a Catholic doctrine at all. However, the historical customs around marriage in Judaism from the first century AD are usually the evidence put forth to suggest that Mary might have only been a teenager when she was betrothed to Joseph. It’s a historical argument, that some if not most Catholics ascribe to, but it’s not a Catholic thing.
@mitromney
Жыл бұрын
@@brittoncain5090 Just how obviously wrong can you be bro... It's really not that hard 😆 MARY made offerings for Jesus's sin. Not Jesus. She was simply wrong to make them for him, that's all there is to it. Because she didn't understand that Jesus is sinless and that he is God. John's gospel is all you need for proof, when Jesus was 12 and told her about obeying God the Father she had no clue what he was talking about. Once again, the fact that you are trained not to see Mary as a regular person but as a hyper-holy superperson of some kind makes you misjudge the simplest passages. It's not that hard bruh. Cheers!
@mitromney
Жыл бұрын
@@keithmokry8066 I never said it was doctrine. I said it was tradition. Which it is. And also, we have very limited knowledge about first century marriage customs, most certainly not enough to guarantee what Mary's age was. We may have SOME data about SOME girls being wed at 12 or whatever, but you can also find plenty of girls who get married that age today, no? And certainly, that says nothing about our modern customs. Just saying - the fact is, we do not know Mary's age, and we do know that God, who is good, and loving chose her at a moment he decided was proper. So there is no reason at all to suggest she was 13 other than unfounded speculation that can be dismissed with just a shake of a head. There is no reason to explain yourself if there is no proof anybody can present against you.
@brittoncain5090
Жыл бұрын
@@mitromney You said Mary made offerings for her HER sins. I showed you why this point isn't a valid critique, and now that I have you've tried to change the subject. You're wrong about Mary, she is everything the Church teaches she is.
@husq48
9 ай бұрын
Fourteen is considered older teen?! 😳
@Kanjiro.D
Жыл бұрын
First
@SerendipitousProvidence
Жыл бұрын
No, you cheated. I'm first.
@theanonymousmrgrape5911
Жыл бұрын
I’m leery of the argument used here that “any sexual relations/pregnancy where there exists a power imbalance are inherently immoral.” as a Christian moral perspective. The relationship between men and women in marriage is envisioned to be complementary, rather than equivalent. In Ephesians 5:22-23 (you all know the verse) Paul does not seem to be describing a state of affairs where both parties have equivalent amounts of power. If we accept the premise that sex between people of unequal power is wrong, and on some level, as Trent alluded to, equivalent to r*pe, then Christian marriage, by default is wrong and equivalent to r*pe. Aside from obviously turning the bible into a lie, this produces an absurd moral calculus, where because forced sex is a more egregious sin than fornication, it would be more ethically conscionable, were we to grant Trent’s premise, for a man to fornicate, or visit a prostitute than have consensual sex with his own wife. To my eyes, the concept of a power imbalance in a sexual relationship always being an inherent evil is incompatible with Christianity. And moreover, from what I understand, this concept comes from the radical lesbian feminism of thinkers like Andrea Dworkin, who is remembered for saying (although she never used the exact phrase) that all sex was r*pe, based on a similar premise. That movement, was in turn a direct application of the Marxian doctrine that history is defined by class conflict to sexual politics. At bedrock in Trent’s premise is the fundamentally Marxian idea that power, of its very nature is oppressive. Power can be used to oppress, but it can also be used justly, to just ends. Relationships, sexual or otherwise, between unequals also cannot, by the nature of their inequality be oppressive, or do we also believe that any god must be a tyrant? I don’t know if Trent brought that objection up because he feels it to be true, or as a hypothetical of what a modern progressive might say, and I do think he’s right as far as the Immaculate Conception eliminating that dilemma. However, I wouldn’t blame him, even if he did genuinely believe that; it’s so easy today, to come to believe things through osmosis, that sound good and right, and fair, even though they’re implicitly not fully compatible with Christian morality. Bad ideas don’t always feel bad. I myself don’t feel any internally motivated objection to homosexuality or homosexual relationships. Were I not a Christian, I never would have dreamed there was anything wrong with sodomy. However, such things are wrong, and external evidence demonstrates it. Something everyone should keep in mind; your intuitions can easily deceive you.
@scottcowen4071
Жыл бұрын
I asked my Muslim boss if he was getting ready to marry off his 7 year old daughter. Not that I wanted him to do that but that I wanted him to consider the faults in his false religion. He wasn't too happy with me after that
@pajamaninja2157
Жыл бұрын
just want to say i think Michael made a point, when asked, that he didn't actually announce what type of Christian he is. So we dont *really* know if he is protestant. Though he does seem like a protestant
@IndianChristian19
Жыл бұрын
FYI and help note, which you can use regarding Child marriage (you will find more Muslims coming to you and talking about Child marriage): There will be a point where Muslims talk about India on the subject of Child Marriage. However, the age at which males and females can marry is around 20 since in India, the age of 20 is considered as someone started being an adult.
@yapeocit9579
11 ай бұрын
New subscriber here love from Manila Philippines
@sarahwong9138
3 ай бұрын
I think St Albert the Great suggested that Mama Mary may have been in Her twenties
@johnmazzel2898
8 ай бұрын
If you don’t mind me asking, where do we say that assent comes from? Mary could have been free from sin but that doesn’t necessarily mean she was in a position to give what we would consider consent, after most teenagers do understand what sex is and the potential consequences of it (pregnancies, STRIs) and we still wouldn’t consider them as capable of consent
@victcol7
Жыл бұрын
We should not engage the unsavory to blaspheme Our sacred truths ,Our blessed Mother's Magnificat dispels any doubt of her consent . She was full of joy and from her Magnificat, it can be ascertained she was a young woman , acquainted with Hebrew scriptures. It is reminiscent of Hannah's praise of Joy, when Samuel, the prophet was born .but to have that depth and to recite it fluently although not verbatim, suggest she was well versed and had in depth knowledge of her scriptures. Now that requires age, time ,and maturity especially when women in ancient times were not favored for literacy. Our Blessed Mother was smart too, she had to first confirm with her cousin her pregnancy, which Angel Gabriel had given her clue. Only then she was fully confident, of every word Angel Gabriel told her. . Prior to that you can imagine her plight, anxiety levels , "how can it be? '' No man has touched me", she rushed to see her cousin... "My soul magnifies the Lord And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior; Because He has regarded the lowliness of His handmaid;...." She rejoiced in God her Savior because, He rescued her, a poor lowly maiden and chose her for ages and beyond, the Queen of Heaven.
@mybrainhurts3727
Жыл бұрын
I hope one day I will be in a place where I become clear-minded such that I could be formally inducted into Catholicism. However, I was raised protestant and I have been struggling with Church teachings to set myself apart from imperfection and sin.
@Stak1776
Жыл бұрын
If you haven't: Scott Hahn Former Protestant Minister is a Treasure on All the Things ☘️
@mybrainhurts3727
Жыл бұрын
@@Stak1776 Thank you. I will look into him.
@michaelsayen4360
Жыл бұрын
Marriage is not based on age. It never was. It was based on the female’s body and the father. The bride price in biblical times did not need the consent of the daughter (Old Testament). However, Songs of Solomon tells us the woman’s time for marriage is not based on the girl’s period, but on her breasts. When they mature, the time for marriage is biblically permissible. You can have arranged marriages, but the marriage itself cannot be until her ENTIRE body matures. As Ezekiel 16:8 says correctly, “Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign LORD, and you became mine.” The woman’s body showed signs that she was ready for marriage (love). There is a time when a woman is old enough for love. The question is, when is that time? Is it when she has her menstrual cycle or when her breasts are developed? Songs of Solomon says her breasts, Chapter 8:8. “We have a little sister whose breasts are not yet formed. If someone asks to marry her, what should we do?” The little sister replies she is ready for marriage when her breasts are like towers (developed), “I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment.” This should end all arguments on the matter. So, the silhouette of a woman’s argument is correct-biblically speaking. It is when the girl's entire body is developed. Not just when she is able to make babies or her maturity. It is based on the physical signs that her time has come. A girl cannot make oaths without her father's permission. So, marriage will need to be given by the father, or for him to remain silent on the issue (Numbers 30:16).
@GaryVelardo-rb6nw
Жыл бұрын
God would choose an age with Mary that she could breastfeed upon the birth of Jesus. It would be unrealistic to say or think that she would be right out of puberty. Also, she would be at an age to freely agree to it being done with enthusiasm and not fear.
@panzerlehr2730
Жыл бұрын
How old was Joseph when he married our mother Mary?😮😊
@anthonytan7134
Жыл бұрын
Surah at Tahrim ( chapter 66 ) verse 12 :"And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants)." Yusuf Ali translation. So basically Muslims agree with us about the virgin birth even Mary or in their case Maryam kept chastity vow ( have to find the sunnah though)
@matthewleonetti2733
11 ай бұрын
I believe in the Immaculate conception, but the thing is, though, is I wonder if other biblical figures could have been given an abundance of grace to make a free choice involving something of grave importance without fear or selfishness. According to Steve Ray, the Hebrew version of Genesis in the passage on the Sacrifice of Isaac implies that Abraham was given a free choice as well to decide whether to sacrifice Isaac. Could Abraham have been purified of sin in such a way that he could have said no to God without any fear of consequences? Sorry I don’t know the exact video Steve Ray mentions this in. I believe it’s called, “Are you saved?”
@HumanDignity10
Жыл бұрын
One reason (out of many) Fr. Brian in my parish gives for the Immaculate Conception is because God cannot dwell within sin. This is one of the reasons why we see Mary as the new new Ark of the Covenant - God dwelled within her. In my view, this is different from the idea that Mary had to be sinless because Jesus is sinless. Mary is not God, she was a human who was given prevenient grace, so she could have been conceived by a mother who sinned. Jesus was God and therefore could not dwell within the womb of a sinner. The book “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary” by Brant Pitre does a great job of detailing the reasons for the Catholic views of Mary.
@Maxfr8
10 ай бұрын
God didn't ask Mary if she wanted to birth Christ, He told her she would. Therefore, she didn't have a choice.
@Iustusxi
Жыл бұрын
Yay new video 🎉🎉
@rager4able
Жыл бұрын
Overton window 🙌 I think this is just what we consider cultural norms, like in the States age of consent is 18 but in the UK is 16, if someone were to get with a 16 year old he would be seen as a pedo.
@tunas707
Жыл бұрын
two minutes in and I'm sick to my stomach.
@rafaellecavalcanti9446
6 ай бұрын
At my first period I was just 10 years old
@taemi5507
Жыл бұрын
IP, AP and D Wood are such a great team 🫶 My favourite non-catholic christians/ateist on KZitem
@Kostas_Dikefalaios
Жыл бұрын
Sam Shamoun also is a great apologist. He has a bit of a temper but his knowledge is unmatched
@danharte6645
Жыл бұрын
@@Kostas_Dikefalaios Sam Shamon kind of reminds me of how some of the early church fathers would have been like. Saint Nicholas was said to have a firey temper and occasionally came to blows with heratics. Sam is a gift to christianity
@Kostas_Dikefalaios
Жыл бұрын
@@danharte6645 It was really amazing seeing him evolve from a Protestant who used to not think highly of Apostolic Churches to him really embracing church tradition and bringing Catholics and Orthodox together in his livestreams and protecting doctrines usually under attack from Prots.
@nicolea.l.9656
Жыл бұрын
Great video, though I have a question about the part where you mentioned about Mary's parents & conception in the Protoevangelium of James, if I may? Cause when you said "facts", I have a feeling they're going to counter by "if those are facts, then why isn't it in scripture? why despite the gospel having been excluded (& some articles said rejected), it's a popular source for Mariology? etc" or "these sound like speculations etc" making it hard to argue with them to the point it drives one up the wall.. Is there a way to go about this? Thank you
@crusaderACR
Жыл бұрын
Scripture is inerrant, the gospel of James isn't necessarily inerrant. It's early enough for it to contain truths and parts where we can pick up and dig deeper, but by no means is it an authoritative piece. You could say it's a "source" in the way we could use the writings of Roman pagans as a source regarding the context of early Christianity.
@AthanaSus
6 ай бұрын
Mind. Blown. Hail Mary full of grace, pray for us sinners. Amen
@GaryVelardo-rb6nw
Жыл бұрын
She would've needed to have the maturity in mind, body & spirit. God would not have dictated this upon her. She happily entered into this.
@joehouston2833
Жыл бұрын
Do you know Christian Prince on KZitem?
@alancook4407
8 ай бұрын
England is a spiritual country most countries want to live here but be prepared to be challenged in the light of reason through bigotry and arrogance truth shines brighter in dark world and minds darkened by their lusts when light touches darkness there is a reaction light will conquer
@MattCellaneous
8 ай бұрын
They're able to do that because of the gross traditions of your church that says Joseph was old and a widower and already had kids and Mary was as young as 12 or 14. Those are gross untru traditions with no basis in fact. All of jesus's brothers and sisters described in the Bible were the children of Joseph and Mary and the product of their marriage. The Bible makes it pretty clear that Joseph didn't consummate the marriage until after the birth of Christ. That's why the word "until" is used in the text.
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
10 ай бұрын
12:58 immaculate conception isn't exactly needed for that,just the fact that god ISN'T a rapist is more than enough
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