Very good breakdown of what happened at the conference. I think Paster Mark was right in rebuking the stripper act. I also appreciate your analysis of the scripture that the church exists to build the body of Christ for believers. Excellent video Sir.
@christinenoell3297
4 ай бұрын
If you rebuke a demon, you don't go back and apologize to it. 😂 What?! You're making us look bad man!
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
😂 for real
@nschlaak
4 ай бұрын
My dad would have been apoplectic and I would have walked out and never come back if our church had a stripper of any sex.
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
I'd have ran out of there faster than you could say "unholy"
@deniseallen-blake2557
4 ай бұрын
Have we forgotten our need of reverence for God and proper representation at any meeting🙏✝️🙏
@georgemonnatjr.172
4 ай бұрын
I love your message here, brother.
@feisty181
3 ай бұрын
I love your point about Jesus overturning the tables. I hadn’t watched any video on this whole debacle that made the point about the difference between private and public sin. My husband and I had talked about that. The whole stripper pole thing was in public, Mark didn’t call out any individual, he stated that this all happened before the Word of God was even opened. The fact that Driscoll apologized to a man who is a false shepherd makes me sick. He doesn’t have spiritual authority because he is a false shepherd. I am praying for all the men and their sons that he is leading astray. Thank you for this video, your points are probably the best I’ve listened to so far.
@saveBRITAIN-e3n
4 күн бұрын
Excellent critique
@susansstuff9464
4 ай бұрын
Amen!
@Valehass
4 ай бұрын
Be in the world not of it, the Bible says this multiple times in multiple ways. The church shouldn't stand for this in their midst, they should just leave. Let those who indulge Satan's influence stand alone in their sin.
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
Amen amen amen
@ricksonora6656
4 ай бұрын
Everything about this was wrong. The sword-swallowing act was inappropriate, and representing it as a strip-dance was dishonest. Calling it out was right, but deviating from the program was wrong, as was mischaracterizing it. The made-up bit about “Jezebel spirit” was theologically wrong, and hosting the disqualified preacher, Driscoll, was wrong. And now, Driscoll is capitalizing on it. As I said, everything about this was wrong.
@Tyler-gb5sl
4 ай бұрын
The observation of demons in our midst is perfectly sound theology. The book of Luke and the book of Acts not to mention the Pauline epistles make it both a Jesus thing to cast out demons and a New Testament believer thing to also resist the devil as well. Understanding that both angelic and demonic forces are at work in our world is Christianity 101. Also Driscoll while far from perfect is not a disqualified preacher, not by a long shot.He preaches the full gospel and is sound in doctrine. He’s doing more for standing up for truth than many of today’s castrated pastors.
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
Good point tbh
@oekmama
4 ай бұрын
I don’t know what jezebel spirit is. That’s not a thing. Not in my Bible. Anyways, I think Driscoll‘s first reaction was spot on. They could have had Maori dancers doing a Haka, there are many many other male cultural things. To show strong masculinity. Even bringing in a group of male gymnasts do a tumble routine. Most of the guys watching that would not have said, „oh, a thousand year old calisthenics routine!“… guys would have said, „oh is that a male stripper? What the heck!“ I think you hit the nail on the head the WHOLE thing is a microcosm of what’s happening in the church these days. The organizer got mad because hit dog will holler. I wish he would have stood his ground. We are all sinners, and I wish they had found common ground and reconciled… but I see the organizer refuses to admit his team made a mistake. But it’s also a discussion about what is strong Christian manhood. I as a woman imagine that such a conference is about strengthening faith to live as good Christian men within church, community, friendships and family. How does a male strip-dance performer fit into that?
@Tyler-gb5sl
4 ай бұрын
it’s highly unlikely Jesus was talking about a literal woman but more likely a demonic principality or spiritual force of darkness that had been dwelling amongst the believers of a New Testament church . Likely the same type of evil spirit that was within the evil queen Jezebel in the book of 1st Kings. ”Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.“ Revelation 2:20-23 NIV
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree with you more! Enough of the gimmicks, give us godly character!
@oekmama
4 ай бұрын
@@Tyler-gb5sl it is actually likely that there was a literal woman within the church community of Thyatira. Whether her name was Jezebel or not, she was claiming to be a prophet but actually leading the church members into sexual immorality. Similarly the Queen of that name from the days of Elijah, also led the Israelites into sexual immortality. But there’s nothing in the text implying that there’s an actual demon or entity called „Jezebel spirit“. Edit to add: please do not misunderstand me. There are demons. There is sin. But what I have been seeing lately is a move by evangelicals to label a thing called „Jezebel spirit“ to divorce themselves from any responsibility. When in all humility, we as human beings ARE flawed, weak, sinful and can only be better through the LORD. You gave some great verses to reflect on. So Thank you very much for these.
@Tyler-gb5sl
4 ай бұрын
@oekmama You are entitled to your opinion but Jesus does teach metaphorically as well as literal and I believe Rev2 was a metaphor of a demonic entity influencing the church which were warned about that will happen in the end times. ”For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.“ Mark 13:22 NIV ”The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.“ 1 Timothy 4:1-2 NIV ”For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.“ Ephesians 6:12 NIV
@owusuansahebenezer3658
4 ай бұрын
What!!!
@steveindorset
4 ай бұрын
I’ve not seen the man’s “performance” that Mr Driscoll was so offended about. Also I’m not a massive fan of Mr Driscoll either. I don’t agree with a lot of his doctrinal views. But I would commend him for his guts to stand up and rebuke, whether right or wrong at least he had the guts to. He is definitely a man’s man and will call a spade a spade. Also Paul DID rebuke Peter publicly for not eating with the gentile brothers and sucking up to Jews. I think we need more people in church like Mr Driscoll, but also with wisdom as zeal without wisdom is folly. Though to stop all big churches or mega churches would be throw the baby out with the bath water. I totally agree with you on the whole subject of tithing. I’ve experienced first hand where a church is more bothered about getting the tithes in and building the building, rather than preaching the gospel and looking after the people. The focus has to be on God and the people and if God wants a big church building then let God build the building. Otherwise it’s just a big glass palace built for the glory of men!
@spaceystaceycupcake
4 ай бұрын
Amen! Thank you for addressing this! We need more Mark Driscolls!
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
I wish he didn't back down though!
@feisty181
3 ай бұрын
No, we don’t need more Driscoll. I initially thought that, but if you watch the video to the end, you’ll see that Driscoll got invited back to finish speaking, and he apologized.
@narclem
4 ай бұрын
Why go with something with symbolism that’s similar to an inappropriate act?
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
Honestly!
@MotherofAthletes
4 ай бұрын
I’m so confused 😂 so a sword swallower act was followed up by a pastor that disagrees with the act is then followed up with another pastor who disagrees with the former pastor? What’s going on. 😂
@FaithTalks
4 ай бұрын
Lol the last Pastor was the host of the conference. It's all a tragedy tbh
@feisty181
3 ай бұрын
If you watch the whole sword-swallowing performance, you might see what’s going on. The man was very suggestive in his dancing before he swallowed the sword, taking part of his clothing off, licking the sword, climbing the pole, and the finale was him hanging upside down with his arms out in the shape of an upside down cross. I don’t even know if you can find the whole performance on KZitem anymore. I was embarrassed to watch it, it was very sexual.
@MotherofAthletes
3 ай бұрын
@@feisty181 I found the whole performance. 😂it definitely should not have been done at a Men’s Christian Conference. I have second hand embarrassment for everyone there. Then I watched the host pastor completely condemn the other pastor, telling him he needs to repent and what not. My mind is blown. Perhaps this was a sign that people need to pay attention and do some research to what churches and conferences they attend.
@MB-14
4 ай бұрын
Maybe a weightlifter REAL man, would have been a better example of strength for a man. Or at least take the pole and ripping of the shirt off could have not happened?
@mobaygirl6243
4 ай бұрын
Justin Peters Ministries on KZitem talks about Driscoll's past behavior. Don't listen to what one person says about an event do your own research, folks! No one should go to these churches. They are not scriptural.
@Tyler-gb5sl
4 ай бұрын
Mark Driscoll has been very transparent about what happened at Mars hill church. He tells it from a pastoral standpoint that it was the 7th sermon that day. Tired and just exhausted from that and hearing story after story from women in his congregation coming forth with stories of being raped, abused, molested from men in their lives, he let out a righteous indignation towards the men in the church. His critics take that sermon clip it up and leave out the context and use it to accuse him of abusing when that’s not the heart of Mark at all. Justin Peters is not willing to look at the full story in context himself. And ask what would he have done as a pastor in that situation. After hearing dozens of stories of wicked men abusing women in the most horrific ways all day long. I think we can err on the side of grace for Pastor Mark Driscoll because he’s a human just as we. With human emotions and if you or I were to be in that moment hearing all the pain of the world that day . I guarantee we would not have handled that day as well as Mark did.
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