More games should accidentally drop their debug tools on live
@rinzu1
6 ай бұрын
Hmm the wonder what would a debug menu in 2042 would look like. Game's already chaos. Probably even more chaos!
@mightymorphingpo
6 ай бұрын
@@rinzu1PS4 is Drop year 2025
@TheCrewExpendable
6 ай бұрын
@@rinzu1The year is 2042. Sleeper agents of the Gamer Collective have infiltrated all three AAAAA studios in order to leak the debug tools. Meanwhile the speedrunner coldwar has turned hot as TASbot has declared war on all human speedrunners. Welcome to the world of Gamerpunk 2042.
@jeanerpablo5786
6 ай бұрын
@@TheCrewExpendablei believe he means battlefield
@Alex-ok4ux
6 ай бұрын
And it's not even close to the fraction of the power of the full debug menu packaged with Spider man 2 leaked PC build
@rAtableable
6 ай бұрын
10:03 Expectation vs. reality 😂
@PublicDudeBaby
6 ай бұрын
This was so cool
@RatedRY
6 ай бұрын
Love this, I turned off auto update so I could keep it although it sounds like it might be fixed in a hotfix... hmm.
@VitalkaGamer
6 ай бұрын
936р, кажется мне некст ген в глаз попал
@lipinogamerlipe2483
6 ай бұрын
Please How i activate this
@D1dillz_
6 ай бұрын
L3 and R3 I think
@Canadian_Gamer
6 ай бұрын
Slow news day? 😂
@chrisr529
6 ай бұрын
I bet you love Trudeau , don't you
@bobross2577
6 ай бұрын
i thought it was pretty interesting, its not every day you get to see this stuff in a console exclusive
@carlharrison3637
6 ай бұрын
I can actually PLAY as Spiderman in a spiderman game now and not side-kick who now has taken over the main role! Woohoo. Spiderman !
@mahavakyas002
6 ай бұрын
when is this coming to PC?
@tomohawkcloud
6 ай бұрын
2028
@NexGenTek
6 ай бұрын
@@tomohawkcloudnext year
@FSAPOJake
6 ай бұрын
Remember back in the 16-bit days when hidden debug and cheat menus were just left in games as an easter egg? Let's bring that back.
@palody_en-ja
6 ай бұрын
I think that online functionality made them a necessary cut, since you can mess up game progression and instantly get a trophy for beating the game, as shown in the video. There are other incentives like paid DLC, but the biggest is preventing cheating in online games. This is why Action Replay and GameShark are no longer a thing. But yes, I loved using the GameShark to unlock debug menus, especially in Squaresoft games. You could spend hours just messing around in those debug rooms!
@starbez
6 ай бұрын
now cheats are microtransaction
@tablettablete186
6 ай бұрын
@@starbezSad reality
@kupokinzyt
6 ай бұрын
True Crime New York had one of the best debug menus in any game, used to play around hours with it.
@tgreg9542
6 ай бұрын
@@kupokinzytthat game is a gem👌
@RoughEdgeBarb
6 ай бұрын
"Beautiful Corner" is a developer term for an area that has had polish for demos and promo material, and to serve as a reference for other art, often complementing more gameplay focused greybox demos.
@protocolindao975
6 ай бұрын
I remember that video with the interview of one of the devs from Spider-Man where he said that there are somewhere under the city those boxes. Well now we can see them haha
@ArturKraft
6 ай бұрын
that’s what I thought too
@Bahgato
6 ай бұрын
Yess I remember that😂😂
@CodyHimselfXI
6 ай бұрын
There's always something eerie about the void being visible in games. Animal Crossing always freaks me out the most
@kewa_design
6 ай бұрын
What ?
@GrooveSpaceArk
6 ай бұрын
@@kewa_design what part didn't you understand?
@kewa_design
6 ай бұрын
@@GrooveSpaceArk no part 😂 why animal crossing and what did it do, who is eerie and which void is he talking about ?
@fcukugimmeausername
6 ай бұрын
@@kewa_design*x-files music plays* 😂
@kewa_design
6 ай бұрын
@@fcukugimmeausername u guys keep confusing me what the hell is x-files 🥲
@AHeato
6 ай бұрын
The Insomniac museum returns
@VariantAEC
6 ай бұрын
Sort of.
@TheTechDweller
6 ай бұрын
I LOVED messing about with old games, these menus are a great little bit of fun insight into how developers work and test modern games.
@JFinns
6 ай бұрын
Same especially so many games that had a console menu (using ~ usually) that started with Quake if I recall, some games today still have this like CS2 but not many.
@RidgeRacer
6 ай бұрын
Really want to see Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart explored with these debug tools, or similar. Insomniac, another quick oopsie for us, please?
@Vi0lad0r
6 ай бұрын
Let's now hope that @BoundaryBreak did get access to that patch in time. 😁
@MrSTVR
6 ай бұрын
PS2 era Insomniac would have proudly let this stuff be accessible. Hope they don't take it away forever.
@ocelot-sensei4384
6 ай бұрын
PS2 era Insomniac would've focused more on the game rather than letting some weirdo consultant firms to dictate for them.
@edderwright9042
6 ай бұрын
@@ocelot-sensei4384Nobody is dictating to them, they're one of the most woke companies out there. This is more of a case them consulting someone else who has the same beliefs as them.
@captinsparklezremix
6 ай бұрын
@@ocelot-sensei4384oh shut up man. Why is everyone hating on Insomniac nowadays? They're still one of the best out there.
@randydonovan7844
6 ай бұрын
@@ocelot-sensei4384another “anti woke” clown
@randydonovan7844
6 ай бұрын
@@captinsparklezremixbecause they think that this company called sweet baby is making games woke. They aren’t even a DEI firm. They are like script doctors that work on films and tv but they do games. They aren’t forcing anybody to make games “woke.” These idiots just need something to be angry about all the time.
@doyouthinkitsdead
6 ай бұрын
This is my favourite DF video so far this year, that kinda look at a games workings is fascinating, nice one!
@racism_
6 ай бұрын
wish every had frametime graph on consoles
@jollama
6 ай бұрын
Bro did not complete his thought 💀
@francesco_7701
6 ай бұрын
So they update the ray tracing in performance mode. Very Good
@bugrasevinc9696
6 ай бұрын
i33 is the Wolverine game so i34 might be SM3 or the cancelled online game
@Crowder
6 ай бұрын
"if we see a more venom centric entry in the future" bro are you real jorunos?? were you asleep when they leaked insomniac future lineup that included a venom game????
@1chibanKasuga
5 ай бұрын
people pretend to not know for respect to insoniac lol
@benmantheiy8777
6 ай бұрын
It was pretty cool to see the debug menu.
@Kazeromaru
6 ай бұрын
I love how time of day was a simple debug toggle that took till NG+ a month or two later past release, why it couldn't be in the original game... idk... but then why in the original game are there symbiote crimes when we destroyed them all, so who am I?
@daz-4th882
6 ай бұрын
l can accept the near consistent 1080p output in this game _onIy_ because it's actuaIIy using next-gen features, using them at high resoIution without major breakup whiIe at 60fps, and the image isn't a grainy mess
@ckoerner
6 ай бұрын
I love technical analysis like this, but can't really tell the difference when playing. The game is fun and impressive in any mode to my old eyes. :)
@MoonSarito
6 ай бұрын
This video made me wish more games had a debug mode like Sonic's time on the Mega Drive, it's so interesting to see how some things in games are created and leftovers from developers.
@Kysen10
6 ай бұрын
Back in the day these features would be cheat codes.
@gavinderulo12
6 ай бұрын
Usually running applications in debug mode has a performance penalty. Maybe this explains the resolution drop?
@VuBeClan
6 ай бұрын
This isn't debug mode, but a debug Menu. Debug mode means there is an external injection process that lets you view the executed code at runtime in a debugger which in this case, is not possible with a regular PS5.
@andre_ss6
6 ай бұрын
Although what you say is true, this is not a debug build; you can see that on the build info @11:41. Debugging tools and performance counters do not require debug builds. As for the performance hit, it would probably be noticeably higher than that in a debug build.
@gavinderulo12
6 ай бұрын
@@andre_ss6 yeah, I would have thought the performance hit had to be bigger. Still curious why the resolution dropped.
@VuBeClan
6 ай бұрын
@@andre_ss6Seems you know nothing about debug builds, this build is completely stripped, it does not have any of the debug functions in place. The video even mentions this. Just cause you can see Build Info it doesn't mean it's a Debug Build, this is a release branch build which also contains a build info.
@weirdscix
6 ай бұрын
@@VuBeClan it seems you cannot read because his comment said 'this is not a debug build'
@thazodiak05
6 ай бұрын
I wonder if the recent layoffs at Sony spurred a rogue dev to leave this in the update. Just my imagination lol
@VariantAEC
6 ай бұрын
Maybe they fired the guy overseeing this versions release, and it still an unintentional mistake caused by top-down corporate rule?
@eslamarida
6 ай бұрын
Shame that this masterpiece not running at true 4k that's why all ps games need to be released on pc to get their full potential. I'm not saying consoles are bad but high end PCs are just at another level
@219SilverChoc
6 ай бұрын
Great video Oliver! Surprising to see how low the minimum bounds of DRS can be, makes me wonder if they switched to FSR2 or upgraded IGTI if the image quality would be even better, because I imagine that the reconstruction is probably being pushed to it's limits in the 40hz mode if it's trying to reconstruct up to 4k from 1152p at times.
@KillahMate
6 ай бұрын
I don't think I've seen a single console game using FSR2 that looked better for it. All games that use it reconstruct from close-to-1080p resolutions and the result is always crap, shimmery flickery video. The Insomniac method on the other hand is very stable even at sub-1080p resolutions.
@TruTrae
6 ай бұрын
@@KillahMateI thought that Dead Space looked alright with its use of FSR2 but it was pretty soft. I will agree that many games that use it have had extremely poor results but I believe that's just due to the native resolution being way too low, I mean some games have a native resolution below 720p at times which is just absurd.
@219SilverChoc
6 ай бұрын
@@KillahMate I'm inclined to disagree abit, from what I've tested on Spiderman on PC and seen from Spiderman 2, you can tell that IGTI was only designed to double resolutions and gets pushed when it's being used to triple or almost quadruple pixel counts. I don't think it's bad by any means, would take a technique that can look like a basic upscale over chunky artefacting you get from bad reconstruction techniques/implementations. I think the FSR2 implementation in Spiderman Remastered is pretty good already and a further improved version of that could work well in Spiderman 2. That or further work on IGTI to make it closer to the results you get from techniques like FSR2/TSR, as those techniques are more designed to reconstruct from a Third or Quarter of the pixel count.
@219SilverChoc
6 ай бұрын
@@TruTrae Going below 720p occasionally may be fine for a Series S reconstructing up to only 1080p, but the examples I've seen really don't justify such pixel count drops. I briefly tried the demo of Imortals Aviuem and it looked bad at 1440p with Quality level FSR2, letalone the obscenely low resolutions the consoles use, you'd think they would have implemented FSR2 better if they were going to rely on it so much. Doesn't help visuals really don't justify it's performance impact or at least isn't leaning on the demanding techniques it's using under the hood.
@techsamurai11
6 ай бұрын
Don't say FSR2 and low resolutions... Spideran is doing a phenomenal job of keeping the image clear - Quality mode is better but not night and day better as FSR2 would make it.
@flipadoodles8677
6 ай бұрын
this debug menu as well as having 2 whole trailers for the cancelled multiplayer game, plus another financial powerpoint about spiderman 3, plus the already massiv hack that happenned a few months ago. McDonalds wi-fi has more security than insomniac
@bruhmoment1761
6 ай бұрын
You do realise all of these leaks are trickled from the 1.2 tb single leak that happened in December?
@KevinRiggle
6 ай бұрын
Did y'all do a feature piece on this already and I just missed it? I hadn't even realized this was out already
@GodMcQueen
6 ай бұрын
*Sweet.*
@VariantAEC
6 ай бұрын
Not accessible anymore.
@LordiGFX
6 ай бұрын
You can spawn riot as a boss to fight in the open-world,pretty cool but I think it's been a scrapped boss
@LeonardoSilva-nh2gg
6 ай бұрын
Where did you see this?
@LordiGFX
6 ай бұрын
@@LeonardoSilva-nh2gg well it's in the enemybot section where you can spawn enemies,you can spawn peter boss fight, scream,venom and riot etc.
@mightymorphingpo
6 ай бұрын
@@LordiGFXmj
@Superboologan1
Ай бұрын
Honestly? They should keep debug modes in games, and just maybe add a disclaimer that playing with them might mess up your save file or something.
@NYX1406
6 ай бұрын
i want to sell my PS5, i buy it for play in 4k60 not 1080p
@rosswinyard5421
6 ай бұрын
It's a $500 console. It can do 4k 60 but not with the latest AAA. That's kinda like selling a Mazda because it doesn't get to it's listed top speed as fast as a Ferrari. Why not just forget about the resolution for a bit and judge your purchase on whether you enjoy the games?
@NYX1406
6 ай бұрын
@@rosswinyard5421 bro its 1080p, the marketing was that we could play in 4k60.
@rosswinyard5421
6 ай бұрын
@@NYX1406 Where did it say that *all* games would run at 4k 60? Does only native count also? I feel like the consumer should be savvy enough to realise that a 4k 60 on AAA games for a 5-7 year life cycle isn't possible at a console price point. If that's what you are after, there are products that cater to you. An RTX 4090 and 7800x3d should do you well.
@NYX1406
6 ай бұрын
@@rosswinyard5421 i live in Brasil, an 4090 is 13000 BRL, one ps5 costs 4100 BRL
@AlirezA_H.M_G
25 күн бұрын
so , having a 1440p 120hz monitor is enough for ps5 ? based on what res it renders games at 120hz mode
@mrwerder616
6 ай бұрын
This was super cool to watch! I have to admit tho, that it felt a bit frustrating the use of words like “properly implemented” or “leaves something to be desired” when talking about content that is never supposed to be accessible by the en user😅
@RuaninhoBR
6 ай бұрын
KZitem doesnt notify me :(
@SimplyMavAgain
6 ай бұрын
incredibly cool stuff to see. a peek behind the curtains isn't something we often get with AAA games of this scale. Very obvious why we aren't getting these kinds of things considering the risk of leaking information that we shouldn't be privy to, but man how cool would it be to get some peeks like this for more games?
@-........
6 ай бұрын
fellow non game dev enjoyers of tim cain's channels knowing what a 'beautiful corner' is 🤓
@onyx_yt
6 ай бұрын
Insomniac has not had a good year so far
@antarcticanman
6 ай бұрын
2:17 probably the ugliest looking moment in the game
@VariantAEC
6 ай бұрын
They never updated those sand particles, they are pretty meh.
@LostinaMemory
6 ай бұрын
Bro, I play with the debug menu once, went to sleep and it got patched. I was so sad. I should have turned off auto updates.
@Chasm9
6 ай бұрын
Ultra rare sneak peek under the hood. 😅Interesting stuff.
@novax4271
6 ай бұрын
The ps5 is a perfect 1440p console and not yet 4k ready. Change my mind.
@xenokaiz7851
6 ай бұрын
To be fair, it’s all about a preference me. I usually prefer more fidelity games and I do tend to don’t mind having a frame drop I love how much the companies put into the games but if you do have a display output that support VRR least push the frames to 40 FPS times it feels like I’m playing at 60fps I don’t even notice any type of frame differences. I truly wonder what the PS5 pro is going to offer. Especially with the rumored AI of upscaling technology. Similar to Nvidia DLSS ?
@3dmarth
6 ай бұрын
Fascinating stuff! I'd love to see debug features left in more games. :) (As a side note, I find it hilarious how simple the button combos are to get into the debug menus. No wonder they were discovered so quickly!)
@fabianoperes2155
6 ай бұрын
ALL games should have this.
@SkeletonTreatIndustries
5 ай бұрын
I wonder if the test red skybox symbiote city was made if they maybe were going into knull more and the actual orgin of the symbiote, with meteorite level as well
@rocketman732
6 ай бұрын
Even if I lose my save data. Will my trophy progress reset even though I have the Platinum Trophy. I've been keeping my game from updating to the latest patch which removes the dev menu. I simply just want to screw around with Venom in free roam. So my main question is. If I started a new game or save file where I'm just Venom. And then updated to the latest patch. Would I lose access to my Venom?
@dacollbns6336
6 ай бұрын
The menu can also be accesed from leaked PC version compiled by Brazil
@Bobavr1234
6 ай бұрын
They just turned it off
@90lancaster
6 ай бұрын
Time to retire this game now,, I don't need to see it again on a DF video thanks. (short of them adding path tracing on PC say). It is taking time from newer and far more interesting games. New content please.
@fennysompotan6033
6 ай бұрын
you guys should reviewing that ilegal marvel spiderman 2 downlodable game for PC. there already many youtube videos about it, in the name of hardware testing only
@DimetriusYT
6 ай бұрын
I didn't know that resolution changes so fast 😮
@rushchax
6 ай бұрын
Suits were lame, as well as the Venom origin story. Dont even get me started about non-spiderman sections. Fuckin cringe all over.
@bbjy
6 ай бұрын
Wonder if the DF team wanted to view the leaked Spider-Man 2 PC port's debug menu but couldn't because of it being a leak. Now they can lol. Also, they should keep this in! Like as a toggle in settings, which would disable achievements of course..
@techsamurai11
6 ай бұрын
I love how people say they can spot 1080p vs 4k and we can't even tell a resolution change happening dynamically. Dynamic Resolution Scaling is unbelievable and why consoles can deliver the games they have. It's certainly more important than Ray Tracing or even Supersampling.
@Slodsworth
6 ай бұрын
They won't be happy if you just unveiled dlc xD The again everything was leaked for their plans for the next few yrs so
@BoardingMold446
6 ай бұрын
Elite PC gamer here.. remember when these new consoles' biggest selling point was 4k and 120fps..
@KillianC1C2
6 ай бұрын
I'd love if games just released a kinda "one more" update and it's just a debug menu. Basically it's like "hey we're done with the game, but for a final one lets give you the debug menu options. have fun!". Because by that point all the stuff has been released for the game and it's cool to just see stuff like this. Fuck the idiots that shit on early release footage, they don't know anything. Let me see the grids and how stuff was put together!
@silentskillz5045
4 ай бұрын
could you give yourself hero tokens??
@bubmario
6 ай бұрын
Based on some brief sleuthing, it sounds like i34 is a prototype for Spider-Man 3. Wild.
@larrytaylor2692
6 ай бұрын
I still play pc games at 1080p upscale and they still look amazing. I’d rather have a high frame rate than a high res
@xenokaiz7851
6 ай бұрын
I’m gonna be honest from watching this entire review of the debug system when I’m playing the game I don’t even notice any graphical resolution going down the game graphics outstanding on both performance and Fidelity mode i’m surprised to see what I saw in this video. I’m always gonna be playing Fidelity no matter what output supports VRR pushing the Fidelity to 40 FPS I really wonder what the PS5 Pro going to do for games that go through this type of situation
@billwehadababyitsaboy1684
6 ай бұрын
Ugh, I was a day late to updating to this....Im actually on the update before 1.200
@DanFarrell98
6 ай бұрын
These things are really fascinating but I guess the risk of people breaking the game and/ or bricking their consoles is too great for it to be left in the game for people like you
@env_warby
6 ай бұрын
There is some quite Discord / Signal / Slack - esque notification sound in the background music and it drives me insane. Please dont use this track again D:
@WhereAmI55
6 ай бұрын
I was able to go under the city by taking the train prior to the update. I haven’t tried doing it post update yet. Video’s on my channel if anyone is interested
@TheDarq0n
6 ай бұрын
4K console MY ASS
@anakinskywalker4596
6 ай бұрын
The ps5 has a gpu equivalent of an rtx 2070 super (a 5 year old mid range gpu), so we can't expect 4k 60 fps in every game.
@danialonderstal3564
6 ай бұрын
I hope next gen games have better particle effects. Don't get me wrong, spiderman 2 looks great but smoke and dust effects still look like textures.
@justinchin0
6 ай бұрын
Definitely miss the days where we would be able to access game cheats and developer modes like this!
@aloluk
6 ай бұрын
This just kind of confirms you guys dont know anything about game dev.
@ZoepX
6 ай бұрын
lmao wishing a game to ship with a debug menu. You are trippin
@Floodsye
6 ай бұрын
Why the hell aren't the fps and frametime tools able to be used by players? Consoles should have something like this on a system level.
@mgnoodle2589
6 ай бұрын
I loved this game. The on,y things I didn’t like were saving people from assault on top of a skyscraper and then carrying victims to an ambulance 😂
@balaam_7087
6 ай бұрын
Appreciate the spoiler warning Oliver. This one’s still teetering on top of Mt. Backlog, so I’ll finish up the rest of this video once I play it.
@GermanEnigma
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking part in the Early Access of Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Debug Menu Feature. After much careful consideration, we deeply regret that the release is cancelled as it would not meet the expectations of our beloved community of gamers and fans. We feel that you deserve more and we are already hard at work in an upcoming AAA title which we will announce when it is ready. Thank You once again for your encouragement and support!
@XYZ-pm3ju
6 ай бұрын
I really wonder why devs so rarely leave this stuff in the game, clearly there is a demand from a niche within the gaming community, the tweaking nerds. I'm old enough to remember Quake and Unreal games having a developer console. Let people have a go at it if they want.
@PresidentKony
6 ай бұрын
Reminds me Insomniac had in-game behind the scenes levels in Ratchet & Clank that showed off the tech features plus cut features (like "realtime" water on ps2).
@prototypeb3480
6 ай бұрын
so literally pc version is the debug version while console peasants enjoy half assed version
@Kevin-jp4rb
6 ай бұрын
Hi DigitalFoundry, could you investigate Helldivers II crashing and "bricking" PCs? My friend got the game and it killed his PSU after 50+ hours with an intel CPU, SSD, and NVIDIA GPU. On Reddit and Steam forums, there are many threads with players saying the game killed their SSD and/or motherboard. I think this is very important given the rising popularity. I want to play this game, but I'm scared of losing my important files. I would have to back them first, but then I would be spending a lot of money to repair/replace PC parts if Helldivers II would kill my PC
@Stanjara
6 ай бұрын
Probably they turn off VSync. Then the whole system is running the game at 100% giving as much frames as it can.
@Kevin-jp4rb
6 ай бұрын
I've seen several posts suggesting frame limit, but not vsync. It's still pretty unclear what the best workaround is.
@anakinskywalker4596
6 ай бұрын
Better wait for a patch if this issue is widespread.
@thespianuzumaki5452
4 ай бұрын
when I web swing, this happens, and it can get frustrating. Any way to stop it? I do have access to the debug mode cos I am playing the game on PC actually (for reasons 😂)
@MiraculouslyMidEdits
3 ай бұрын
Turn debug to minimum in the launcher
@eternalbeing3339
6 ай бұрын
I just found out that there is a working leaked pc torrent of the game online. Pretty wild.
@muhammadhabibzaman9448
6 ай бұрын
correct me if i am wrong but usually game running on perfomance metrics run slighlty slower than without perfomance metrics
@krazykoolz88
6 ай бұрын
thanks for the Spoiler warning, I have not played the game yet
@thegamer6872
6 ай бұрын
Sir please make insomniac realize those micro stutters in performance mode,it hurts us.Please
@prod_by_KENZO
5 ай бұрын
Which checkpoint should I load to have all the points for the suits ???
@GermanEnigma
6 ай бұрын
Saved DF a lot of time from counting screen pixels that's for sure.
@Igolorbr
6 ай бұрын
Wasn't 936P only on the 120fps performance mode before? I mean, more RT effects now on 60 fps mode but 936 still very low.
@parsashirali8957
Ай бұрын
936p is the usual metric on the perfomance mode 120fps While for 60fps, its the lowest metric which happens very rarely AND passes by quickly. It isnt staying at 936p all the time. The usual metric is a bit above 1080p
@TrueBoricua
6 ай бұрын
Gootiful Corner ia also shot for Goodmans St. beautiful corner
@carlosnascimento9269
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the spoiler warning. Will have to watch the rest of the video later.
@johnshepard8556
6 ай бұрын
Insomniac accidentally releasing the secret sauce on how to make a perfect game
@KaiSoDaM
6 ай бұрын
Max quality? How close is to ps5 version?
@beng6149
6 ай бұрын
Remember when Insomniac used to have bts museums in Ratchet games?
@TheSoulWithin7
6 ай бұрын
Didn't they put the debug out by accident? This feels unethical
@VariantAEC
6 ай бұрын
DF didn't show off anything that wasn't already shown off by others. In fact, DF showed off less than what others have already shown off. What bums me out is that when I was checking out the new update, 1.002. I was only looking to see if my unreported bugs still existed in the game. And they do! Unfortunately, I wasn't looking for anything new like this and didn't find the debug menu.
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