The catalyst is literally the villain of the trilogy and people take its word as gospel. The only logical choice is to make the decision based on information that Shepard has in the moment. He/She doesnt get to see the ending cutscene. For all He/She knows, control is just a lie to give Shepard the same fate as the Illusive man. Synthesis is just a way for Shepard to voluntarily become a husk. But destroy? Shepard has no idea how the crucible works and his only goal up to this point was to destroy the Reapers so it's worth the risk.
@jamesoffer6758
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, he also demonstrated demonstrated symptoms of indoctrination throughout the third game, and the ending is implied that he was a husk if you choose to destroy.
@bamslam7033
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesoffer6758 mmmm
@meteora4478
Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more. The catalyst is anything but trustworthy, even if we suppose it’s not trying to manipulate you, I still wouldn’t trust its judgment. It thought the reapers were a great idea too for crying out loud. The goal has always been to destroy the reapers, changing plans last minute without really knowing what you’re doing based on the word of the catalyst is insane to me.
@shyper17
Жыл бұрын
@@meteora4478 Which is why I liked the ending. Even though the only logical thing to do is activating the Catalyst and killing all the Reapers, the game still leaves room to make an irrational choice. Not many games do that. Not many games let you make choices that, no matter what your character's morality is like, do not make sense. The control and synthesis endings do not make any sense. That is why I like the choice. If you are making those decisions, it specifically implies Shepard not only isn't rational atm, but might possibly be indoctrinated by someone... Likely the Catalyst. I'd prefer if the words of the Catalyst were more convincing though, giving you that slight feeling of doubt that grows as you're listening. From the start you would be wanting to destroy all the Reapers, but at that point, you would no longer be so sure. It would feel like you, the player, are getting indoctrinated. And then you either snap out of it, or you do not. And it would depend on your own self as to how the ending plays out. The ending itself is a great idea imo. But the execution of the dialogue given by the Catalyst is not as convincing as I'd like it to be.
@Otis-Spunks
Жыл бұрын
@@shyper17 The choices do provide an okay game play element, but the reality is most of the intrigue it invokes is self made, not given by the game. We the players read into it to make it interesting, on it's own its sloppy at best. However if the story is ever to be adapted, those choices as they are, could not remain or the story would greatly suffer.
@Chibanyuu
Жыл бұрын
I am aware of the council's decision and as it is a stupid ass decision I have chosen to ignore it.
@IronWolf_345
11 ай бұрын
😂
@williamlydon2554
9 ай бұрын
Someone needs to make this with green screen nick fury.
@emackenzie
Жыл бұрын
The game literally frames the choices as Saren (who was indoctrinated), The Illusive Man (who was indoctrinated), and Anderson (who wasn't indoctrinated). I could just never see my Shepard thinking "maybe the people who were under the control of the reapers were right about the reapers"
@sarahdipasquale6350
Жыл бұрын
People who are master liars and manipulators know rule 1 is sick to the truth as much as possible. So you could say the Reapers were doing this.
@emackenzie
Жыл бұрын
@@sarahdipasquale6350 one could absolutely argue that, but non-meta, my shep wouldn't want to take the chance after what it took to get there. She doesn't know that synthesis and control turn out fine, just that everyone came together to destroy the reapers once and for all
@Onezy05
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, this is one of the core reasons the ending doesn't work. Why would you choose to fulfill the ideology of characters (Saren and Illusive Man) you've been opposed to from the start? It would be like if in the Dark Knight Rises, Batman was given the choice of either destroying Gotham (in line with the League of Shadows), letting it plunge into chaos (in line with the Joker), or saving it. OF COURSE Batman would never choose the former two options - he's been fighting against its proponents since the beginning!
@whensomethingcriesagain
Жыл бұрын
@@Onezy05At the very least, the Illusive Man is only an enemy in 3, and despite his shady methods as an ally in 2, there are definitely arguments to be made that he was a far better ally than the Alliance or the Council, thus his ideals aren't seen as completely mad the way Saren's were
@Onezy05
Жыл бұрын
@@whensomethingcriesagain The Illusive Man was meant to be just a shady, questionable figure in 2. ME 2 did a great job of making you wonder if Cerberus was just a few bad eggs or an entirely corrupt institution. And then ME 3 throws that out the window by not just turning Cerberus into generic space fascists, but making them ally with the Reapers... which meant they were chill with Earth getting attacked even though the whole ideology of the organisation is being pro-human!
@Knutbypastorn
Жыл бұрын
There is accually four choices. You can also refuse to do any of the three and let the Reapers just kill everyone.
@bamslam7033
Жыл бұрын
That's the best choice
@Lisichkin_Topishe31
Жыл бұрын
@@bamslam7033yes
@medical-cyanide1526
Жыл бұрын
And shoot a kid
@blingwraith6951
Жыл бұрын
@@bamslam7033 That's what I played all 3 games and cured the genophage for
@thomasjones3206
Жыл бұрын
What makes that ending terrible is that the next cycle builds the catalyst and makes a choice for you.
@Dimassaputra14
Жыл бұрын
If only war assets could make the crucible affecting the Reapers only. I literally just broker a peace between Quarian and Geth and also helping EDI gain her humanity. And having them to be destroyed too was kinda bullshit
@joshuawillis602
8 ай бұрын
You’re extremely delusional
@KingOpenReview
4 ай бұрын
And it doesn't even make sense. The Crucible can control reapers in particular and turn everyone into balanced cyborgs, but it can't just kill reapers?
@bronsonpatten7188
4 ай бұрын
I just finished it and thought that was bullshit too. I didn’t mind that EDI and the geth would be gone but I thought it was stupid that they’d be affected when they aren’t connected to the catalyst like the reapers are
@torn9744
3 ай бұрын
They can’t call themselves platforms. They just upload into those synthetic bodies. I don’t see how it destroys all synthetic life. Once they’re able to make new bodies still just upload into those. EDI is the same way. She’s in the Normandy and that body at the same time. If the body isn’t there, she still in the Normandy. Get a new body and you have EDI back. Am I wrong? Maybe I missed something along the way.
@KingOpenReview
3 ай бұрын
@@torn9744 The galaxy essentially gets emped. There's nothing to upload.
@dr.veronica6155
Жыл бұрын
Destroy is objectively the best one. Our entire mission since talking with Sovereign on Virmire has been to destroy the Reapers. I'm not getting sidetracked at the literal last moment because a Reaper AI is trying to do what every sentient thing does and save its own existence. It's bargaining for its life, why would I believe anything it says, especially when it goes out of its way to try to make Control and Synthesis seem cool but Destroy seem awful? I'm completing the mission. I'm destroying the Reapers. They've been wiping out galactic civilizations for almost a billion years. They've likely killed literally quadrillions of people. Destroying them is *the right thing to do* however you look at it. Not to mention that Destroy is the only ending that lets Shepard potentially survive. And Shepard *deserves* to survive.
@Malpais-Legate
8 ай бұрын
THIS!
@joshuawillis602
8 ай бұрын
That’s incredibly childish and delusional
@Malpais-Legate
8 ай бұрын
@@joshuawillis602 how?
@joshuawillis602
8 ай бұрын
@@Malpais-Legate he’s completely forgetting that plans can change. Shepard sought out to destroy the reapers because that’s what he thought was the only option. But now after using the crucible he had different options. That guy is letting emotions dictate his thinking. He thinks the catalyst is lying to save itself but that’s not the case.
@Malpais-Legate
8 ай бұрын
@@joshuawillis602 it doesn't matter if the catalyst was realistically, control is an extremely flawed option and it's been demonstrated multiple times And synthesis doesn't realistically solve the conflict
@xProjectCINEMAx
2 ай бұрын
The problem with destroying the reapers is it doesn’t solve what the reapers were trying to prevent. Somewhere down the line civilization is gonna destroy itself again with synthetics and all that work would be for nothing. The catalyst told Shepard he is the only organic ever who’s capable of achieving synthesis so to be the one person ever who has the ability to unite and advance the galaxy beyond what could ever be possible is too tempting to pass up. I like the idea of Shepard being a messiah-like figure who sacrifices himself to evolve life itself into superior beings that can live in harmony and achieve feats that otherwise wouldn’t be possible.
@JKR9488
Жыл бұрын
Given that the quarians and geth found peace, it shows the catalysts logic was flawed.
@williamkerfoot8039
9 ай бұрын
Exactly! Bioware, via the Catalyst, wasn't making some point about organic/synthetic relations, they were simply holding the synthetic race hostage! And worse, leaving you with NOTHING you can do about it! If that's not cheating, I swear to God I have no idea what cheating is!
@joshuawillis602
8 ай бұрын
Not really.
@santiagogarciazapata7422
15 күн бұрын
This guy Joshua for gods sake
@kyzit8458
Күн бұрын
Geth rebelled didnt they? Quarians attacked the Geth in me3 didnt they? I dont say peace isnt possible its just all the progress is lost and we'd have to start from scratch.
@carlloren5499
Жыл бұрын
Choosing synthesis makes you no different from saren (ME1). Control makes you no different from the illusive man (ME2). Destroying the reapers is the whole theme of the game right?
@darkpersona1462
Жыл бұрын
Yes if you chose to hate all synthetics like legion and edi and chose to destroy the geth you would be right
@Lobsterwithinternet
11 ай бұрын
@@darkpersona1462Doesn't matter if you all are assimilated anyway.
@darkpersona1462
11 ай бұрын
@@Lobsterwithinternet that’s the synthesis ending not what I was talking about and that takes away everyone’s autonomy the control ending literally is the only one where everyone gets a good ending
@Mkrause762
11 ай бұрын
@@darkpersona1462let’s be real they’re not really alive the destruction of the reapers is far more valuable
@darkpersona1462
11 ай бұрын
@@Mkrause762 one they have free will, the ability to feel, the capacity for sentimentality, and the will to live if that doesn’t make them alive then I don’t know any person that is two controlling the reapers is far more beneficial in the long run as not only can they act as a deterrent for major threats but they also help with the rebuilding efforts
@boxerbomber505
Жыл бұрын
The problem with making shepard the god of the Milky Way is that regardless of them being paragon or renegade, they are now free to impose their own sense of morality on the galaxy. You can play the game as a paragon while still not being morally perfect. The result is basically a galaxy wide version of 1984 where everyone is being watched and has to be careful of not bringing down the wrath of the death machines.
@No_Name-pd9kq
10 ай бұрын
But wouldnt Paragon Shepard be less repressive
@theoverthinkingalien224
10 ай бұрын
@@No_Name-pd9kq "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S.Lewis
@No_Name-pd9kq
10 ай бұрын
@@theoverthinkingalien224 I see your point
@jameslowry8787
Жыл бұрын
If the red ending was not cannon they would not add him surviving in only that one
@charlesafonso5567
Жыл бұрын
It's literally the official ending in the ME4 trailer, Dead Reapers and NO advanced tech.
@Elphirein
7 ай бұрын
The only reason it is an official ending, because fans whined loud enough about it, not because it was the intention. Green is the best ending.@@charlesafonso5567
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
It is canon, but that reasoning doesn't support it. The reason it's the only one where Sheperd survives is because it was originally the only ending, then they rushed to add the others
@dejavu6196
2 ай бұрын
@@charlesafonso5567 how do you know there's no advanced tech?
@spitlikesfire9368
Ай бұрын
No theirs advanced tech just no synth@@charlesafonso5567
@mehmeh1234
Жыл бұрын
Destroy the Reapers at any cost.
@Megatron_95
Жыл бұрын
Amen to that!
@AlexDeeks
Жыл бұрын
Damn right
@user-vv3zc9il9k
11 ай бұрын
You know that Shepard never would've kill Edi and gets right?
@deniusmanov
9 ай бұрын
@@user-vv3zc9il9k Shepard would've never do things that Saren and Illusive Man wanted to do. Almost everyone doesn't care about EDI and Geths
@user-vv3zc9il9k
9 ай бұрын
@@deniusmanov ALMOST EVERYONE? Clown you really slow
@justingranger9162
Жыл бұрын
With control you allow the Starchild to twist your mind until you become the thing you swore to destroy.
@LegionIscariot
Жыл бұрын
You took something that was meant to destroy and turned it into a tool for creation. Kill and destroy is human nature but its not always the solution.
@justingranger9162
Жыл бұрын
@@LegionIscariot The star child convinces you that it’s organics will always kill each other after you spent the entire series of bringing them together for a common cause. “Break the cycle” means more than just destroying the reapers. It symbolizes willfully ending the fights that caused the leviathans to create the star child in the first place.
@kman1893
6 ай бұрын
Nope lmao. The indoctrination theory gives the mass effect writers way too much credit, as the end cutscene clearly shows they didnt intend that to be a possibility. Indoctrination as a concept really was the worst part of mass effect, reduced interesting villains philosophies to "oh nvm theyre just being mind controlled by reapers".
@kman1893
6 ай бұрын
@@justingranger9162also you dont break the cycle, by destroying all synthetics and the mass relays you separate the races you helped save and destroy millions of years of knowledge essentially dooming these races to repeat the same mistakes that lead to the reapers being created. And realistically they wont be able to rebuild the relays because who built them? The reapers you just destroyed so good luck figuring out how to rebuild them lmao
@justingranger9162
6 ай бұрын
@@kman1893 The Reapers tool was manipulation. That happens throughout history.
@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine
Жыл бұрын
Choosing Synthesis makes u no different than a Reaper, literally Reaper plan's for million's of year's
@Chibanyuu
Жыл бұрын
Yes and no synthesis makes everyone cyberpunk maybe it makes transformers who knows but what's your opinion? remember reapers were programmed to kill organic life to stop pure organic destruction
@necrocoffee5626
Жыл бұрын
No different from geth actually. No point of human understanding if we're all connected and contain the collective knowledge/experience of everyone alive.
@buncotton9669
Жыл бұрын
@@necrocoffee5626 I know what you mean but I think Kazu meant in the way of forcing cybernetics on to everyone fundamentally changing them forever.
@dgrblue4162
Жыл бұрын
Not really. Because other than the purely artificial races, nobody knows what will come from the merging. And sure, some races may have tougher times adjusting, but some benefits will emerge as well. Also, I feel most players just wanted a overcome the odds where the protagonist lives in the end, like ME2, and because they didn't get it, it is seen as a weak ending.
@carlloren5499
Жыл бұрын
Choosing synthesis makes you no different from saren. Control however was the illusive man's. Destroying the reapers is the whole theme of the game right?
@crylec6534
Жыл бұрын
The Happy ending mod is the only ending I accept
@anonymousinfinido2540
Жыл бұрын
What is that? I dont know about that😅
@crylec6534
Жыл бұрын
@@anonymousinfinido2540 A famous ME mod that changes the ending into a destroy the reapers ending, spairing Edi n the Geth and having closure for Shepard.
@anonymousinfinido2540
Жыл бұрын
@@crylec6534 nice 👍, can it work with legendary edition on steam?
@SolidShepard
Жыл бұрын
@@anonymousinfinido2540probably not
@-Ski1-
Жыл бұрын
@@anonymousinfinido2540 there is a spiritual successor mod that is basically the same thing for legendary edition on nexus called “Audemus' Happy Ending Mod”
@hididdlyhodiddly6019
6 ай бұрын
I never had an issue with the ending tbh. I remember I stopped caring too much about how I’d destroy the reapers, it was more about how the crew mates stories would end. Curing the Genophage, getting Tali a home etc.
@gotfret39
9 ай бұрын
I just dont get why people keep talking that red ending is good. You literaly kill all synthetic. Yea you kill all reapers, but you kill a whole race of geth and other synthetics that don't do anything bad ,i use green ending because MS3 show us that we can live with synthetics in piece
@Dr.Hypo101
Ай бұрын
Most people say destory is a great ending since it fits narratively, while the other two options seem like choices Sareb and the Illusive man would've made. Both of them were indoctrinated so it doesn't paint any ending besides destory in a good light. Add on the fact most people will chalk up all synthetics being destoryed (Geth and EDI) as just being a crappy add on to make the other two options appealing. Since there isn't really much reason for both of them to be destoryed alongside the reapers by the weapon. I dislike all three endings, but I get why you'd like the other endings whening thinking about Geth and EDI surviving
@ezequielmorales4221
Жыл бұрын
The RIGHT ending is the red one.
@C0deH0wler
Жыл бұрын
Don't care about this 'canon ending' drama that's been happening these past several years. Just give me more stories. Give me four stories in one product, tho total about the same size as one Mass Effect game. Destroy, largest at about 20 hours, thus the prime timelime in francisical canon. Refusal ending, the shortest timeline story at about 5 hours. The next game after this? Expand on the destroy prime timeline. This game would have expanded on the other endings more than enough. Unless, you are gonna cause drama about this solution too? A solution that doesn't reduce quality, and gives the community a reprieve from the expectation it would give to a new big-baddie? Isn't it time for a bit of content diversification? Isn't mass effect about CHOICES?
@ezequielmorales4221
Жыл бұрын
@C0deH0wler I'm...not doing any drama? Dude, it's the right ending IMO because Shepard survived, nothing more.
@dorottyapapp
Жыл бұрын
@@ezequielmorales4221 I think Destroy is the worst option out of the color coded ones because it moves nothing forward. In my opinion, including that Shepard can survive was a bad move because of the ruthless calculus of war. It doesn't matter if you/your Shepard like it or not. Shep is a soldier (desposable), s/he understands that tough decisions and sacrifices have to be made. At the end it's one life or the whole galaxy's. Even Refusal makes more sense because you're willing to lose a battle (sacrifice this cycle) to ultimately win the war. Or it's a mentally broken Shep who can't take this anymore.
@ezequielmorales4221
Жыл бұрын
@@dorottyapapp You watch too many movies. No human is disposable.
@dorottyapapp
Жыл бұрын
@@ezequielmorales4221 In real life but we are talking about fiction here. Also English isn't my first language. Maybe there is a better word out there I don't know of, to express myself better. What I was thinking about is Shepard's goodbye conversation with Kaidan about being old soldiers. They're aware they can die any minute, it comes with the job.
@valathor95
3 ай бұрын
Red is objectively the worst ending and I will never choose it. I just saved the Geth and I will not murder EDI.
@mizzy8655
Жыл бұрын
No red was objectively the best ending. Control is what the illusive man wants and it’s most likely going to just trick Shepard and make him think he’s in control while he gets indoctrinated, synthesis could also be used as a ploy to indoctrinate and or spread reaper tech around the galaxy to all organics speeding up the harvesting ending the cycle. Destroy is the only one where you can 1 live if your EMS is high enough and 2 where the reapers have no possible way of duping Shepard or putting Shepard under any form of control
@shamrock141
Жыл бұрын
The epilogue shows Shepherd is in control, there's no indoctrination about it. If you chose control as a Renegade player though, you'd likely be an autocratic, kill all opposition Reaper force, but if you're paragon or mixed you'd be focused on protecting and uplifting organic civilisation
@KnoxCarbon
2 ай бұрын
Indoctrination theory is dumb.
@highdragonking3724
Жыл бұрын
Synthesis is the only right answer. Control is still not solving the problem, just that the reapers are no longer the threat. What happens when the tech goes beyond even their technological capabilities. Destruction is just fucked even though it’s satisfying. Overall, all endings are mid due to being chalked up to three obscure choices rather than a thought out choice oriented ending.
@sethgray4979
Жыл бұрын
I respect your opinion, but I will always choose to destroy, the reapers alive is always a threat. I hated sacrificing the geth and edi. In the end however I hated the reapers more.
@jaydaytoday3548
Жыл бұрын
There is no choice but to destroy.
@williamkerfoot8039
8 ай бұрын
"RPG my ass!" is what you're basically saying.
@shadowslayer2929
6 ай бұрын
literally lol where's the ending where Shepard actually survives and only the reapers die
@de_showstep
Жыл бұрын
Look how control turned out for the illusive man Synthetis is just becoming a husk with extra steps But destroy was what the crucible was made for, what we were building for all of the third game. What all the hard work and "careful diplomacy" was building up to. It's the only ending in which the choices you made matter. The other endings felt hollow like "oh hey we know that you kinda took over our planet and forced our people into exile but this one human guy said fuck it we ball and now we are friends :) ".
@SergyMilitaryRankings
Жыл бұрын
Actually that's not what it was made for, nobody knows what it would do, illusive man could never control as he was indoctrinated. Control means you can build lasting peace and rebuild galaxy and not kill EDI and the geth
@LuisManuelLealDias
Жыл бұрын
who cares about what happened to TIM? The only thing that matters is what choice you have in front of you, not what others tried to do.
@jaydaytoday3548
Жыл бұрын
He was in the game to show you what happens when you think you have control. He's an example of the wrong choice fool.
@Lobsterwithinternet
11 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: They aped this ending from the original Deus Ex.
@jockeelly
9 ай бұрын
@@jaydaytoday3548 Nope, he's in the game to be the main human antagonist for the trilogy. He never had the chance to control the Reapers, that was just an delusion created by his indoctrination, but that never meant that the Reapers couldn't be controlled by anything, we know they were. The catalyst controlled them and if we choose the blue ending, he gives that power to Shepard. That is the undeniable truth
@simmonslucas
Жыл бұрын
The green one is the ultimate solution to the synthetic vs organic problem. But destroying all synthetic seems interesting because it's very messy.
@JackMcCoy331
9 ай бұрын
All 3 games built on destroying the reapers. You’ll never convince me otherwise
@joshuawillis602
8 ай бұрын
Plans can change fool
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
Sunk cost fallacy
@ewergreenCZ
Жыл бұрын
tbh, I loved “red ending” for renegade Shepard… It made so much sense. As a renegade, you were ruthless and willing to sacrifice everything to save Earth. And sacrifice yourself to obtain biggest army fleet in the Universe to protect people you cared about hit just right and it seemed like a decision the renegade would make… I got all endings of course and this was my last one. I was so pleasantly surprised…
@playr7599
Жыл бұрын
I get where you're coming from, but I actually think Destroy is Paragon to a degree. It was always Shepard's goal originally to destroy the reapers and I felt it would have been a dis-service to everyone fighting and dying if I forcefully converted them to synthesis or denied them the vengeance of seeing the Reapers evaporate in front of their eyes. That true feeling of victory only comes from Destroy
@coel3572
Жыл бұрын
@@playr7599 tbh I always thought that while Destroy makes sense for both Paragon and Renegade, the other two endings are kind of lacking. Well, control will be your default unlocked option if you saved the collector base for TIM, and he mentions that he wants to control the Reapers instead of destroying them. And synthesis is just there, chilling, I guess? Though there was some green around an organic-VI hybrid in ME2's DLC, around David Archer, and it didn't go too well.
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
@@playr7599 Destroy is very renegade. It's short-sighted and kills innocent people. Control is very paragon, imposing your views on others. Synthesis is the 3rd moral alignment that isn't named but is the middle selection in most conversations: letting people choose for themselves.
@playr7599
3 ай бұрын
@@sorin_markov In my opinion destroy is paragon. It's what is hinted throughout the game by Anderson and many others, destroy is the goal of the humanity, it doesn't kill innocent lives, it saves organics and destroys any robotic tech. The element of control is actually the thought process of the illusive man and Cerberus, and they do so without care of anyone's free will, so technically Control or Synthesis is the renegade option.
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
@@playr7599 Right, Destroy is humanity-centric, which has been the renegade thing the entire series. The geth at the very least are innocent lives destroyed and again, Destroy is very short-sighted because it doesn't actually solve the problem. Also, all the people choosing Destroy because it's the only ending where Sheperd survives makes it extra renegade, since it's putting Sheperd's life above the entire future of the galaxy. Paragon is the archetype that forces everybody to be good whether they want to be or not (esp in ME2) so Control fits that one.
@j.rileyindependentproductions
Жыл бұрын
There was NOT a choice to end organic life, it was to PROTECT all organic life by sacrificing yourself to take over the Reapers and preventing them from harvesting. In fact, it shows the Shepard-controlled Reapers HELPING ORGANIC LIFE rebuild.
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
But remider that you can also have renegade Shepard with control. So AI would have his values. I don't think that's a good option. With paragon this ending might work. But renegade Shepard . Yikes.
@LazyJesse
Жыл бұрын
@@Dak1624 control is paragon blue after all
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
@@LazyJesse Yet the person that represents control is our enemy.
@buncotton9669
Жыл бұрын
How long will the peace last? As long as Reapers exist there’s always a chance of war. The thing is the Reapers will always want to destroy higher intelligent life because it’s literally in their coding and they only thing stopping them is Shepard’s metaphorical chains holding them back like what Cerberus did to EDI. It’s only a matter of time before someone or the Reapers find a way to unshackle them.
@j.rileyindependentproductions
Жыл бұрын
@@buncotton9669 But that's the thing, the AI that the Leviathans created didn't WANT to destroy life, it wanted to protect life, but saw that advanced life would create AIs and that those AIs risked destroying all life. So it created the Reapers, and CONTROLLED THEM ALL THESE MILLIONS OF CYCLES, to harvest advanced life forms so that life itself as a whole can continue to exist. Shep-AI, as told by the Catalyst, would be more powerful than even it as Shep-AI would dictate all their reasons and actions. So, if Catalyst stayed in control this entire time, and Shep more powerful...
@Kirasdark19
Жыл бұрын
I hate the ending I wanted to live with my lover for ever.
@raphaelricardino
Жыл бұрын
If you have enough war assets shepard might survive
@Kirasdark19
Жыл бұрын
@@raphaelricardino I had over 7800 war assets and he still dies
@noone7657
Жыл бұрын
@@Kirasdark19 did you choose destroy ending? or did you miss the last scene from that ending before credit rolls?
@Kirasdark19
Жыл бұрын
@@noone7657 I seen that ending with Shepard in rubble and he or she takes a breath I don't know how that ending would be possible with all the cybernetic implants Shepard has in his body.
@Onezy05
Жыл бұрын
"SHEPARD DON'T LISTEN TO HIM HE'S BEEN INDOCRINATED!"
@liamwilliams6651
3 ай бұрын
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has no idea who shepard is as a person and ask yourself what ending you'd want. You would pick red every single time, simple as that. Objectively red is the correct choice.
@tlomofficial
7 ай бұрын
Bros indoctrinated 💀
@rafaelvital8281
7 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly there was an original ending that was suddenly changed due to leaks previous to ME3 launch... Don't know for sure as I didn't ever finished the third game
@1995tyler1
5 ай бұрын
I don’t know where a lot of people are getting the notion that the control and Synthesis endings are just Shepherd being indoctrinated. The cutscenes show you the aftermath of each ending. Control: Shepherd puts his hands on the grip thingies and gets disintegrated. His consciousness then goes out and he gains total control of the Reapers, sending them back to deep space. Synthesis: Shepherd jumps off the platform and dive bombs through the green light. His organic and synthetic DNA mixes and combines with all other life forms in the galaxy including the Reapers. Destroy: Shepherd CTRL + ALT + Deletes all Synthetic life. From Reapers to EDI, all Synthetics perish. I think if you don’t have to required amount of War Assets, this will also kill Organics too.
@magnum1118
Жыл бұрын
Destroy is the ONLY rational decision.
@darkpersona1462
Жыл бұрын
For people who hate edi and want to spit on legions sacrifice then yes it is
@magnum1118
Жыл бұрын
@darkpersona1462 I don't hate EDI, but it's a machine. A feminine sounding voice and robotic body with a humanoid appearance don't make it alive. And the same goes for legion. The geth are interesting and legion is a compelling character, but it's not alive. The geth are computer programs, super advanced computer programs, but programs non the less. Even within the ME universe, the geth are no more alive than the Xbox you play ME on.
@darkpersona1462
Жыл бұрын
@@magnum1118 then how do they go against their own programming they are sentient and are able to have feelings of their own so you don’t care about legion and didn’t pay attention to any part of his character
@oulram2730
11 ай бұрын
@@magnum1118then how come legion addressed itself as "i" not "we" when he SACRIFICED himself. Sacrificing yourself to save your entire race seems like an organic thing to do
@magnum1118
11 ай бұрын
@oulram2730 a machine can think it's alive all it wants, it doesn't make it so. If anything Legions self actualization makes me more confident in siding with the quarians.
@freyjathehealer5559
Жыл бұрын
I wish there was a choice like in Life is Strange. The choice at the end is one million times more meaningful even if it feels simple. To be selfish or to sacrifice everything for the good of others
@scarehalo5
Жыл бұрын
My argument for destroy has always been more my opinion/take but also It's rooted in what was the premise of ME1 and ME2. You stop the Reapers at all costs, destroying them if need be. Control is TIM'S solution. Controlling the reaper husks failed... and trying to get the Reapers to cooperate with him via implants just resulted in indoctrination. No one person should have that power to control sentient machines that have wiped out civilizations with near impossibly high success. Power and control corrupt people, even the most sane. Synthesis is the most inhumane and ignorant choice. You are forcing a change upon entire civilizations and races across the galaxy without their consent. It's not right to do that. Its just simply forcing something on those who might not agree. It's morality for me, I reject this on moral values of everyone having a say or choice. Destroy is what the goal was from the beginning. You knew the Reapers were a civilization annihilating threat based off sovereign alone. In the Perfect Destroy ending.. It's stated that while we may have lost some things like the relays and the citadel, and others.. it can be rebuilt. Yes EDI and the Geth are gone.. but EDI is in a Quantum bluebox. Geth can be rebuilt and reprogram using hypothetically saved data. Most importantly..Shepard lives in this ending. my only other argument for destroy would be the MASS EFFECT CONTINUES... trailer in which dead reaper corpses are shown. Every race still lives.. Kogan, Salarian, Turian, Asari, Hanar, Drell, human, Volus, Vorcha, and what remains of the Batarians.. Everyone can forge their own path without the threat of corruption.. and free will of choice.
@pokefan213
Жыл бұрын
"Full video link in description" proceeds to NOT post a link in this video's description lol
@LightStreak567
Жыл бұрын
Disagreeing with TIM only to end up agreeing with his beliefs in the end. Oh sure, claim the man that was controlled by the enemy was right after all. My Shepard was the "I won't let fear compromise who I am" to the very end.
@SergyMilitaryRankings
Жыл бұрын
@@LightStreak567 control isn't submission though
@LightStreak567
Жыл бұрын
@@SergyMilitaryRankings Not my point. The Reapers prefer to be controlled than killed. Why?
@SergyMilitaryRankings
Жыл бұрын
@@LightStreak567 they don't prefer to be controlled, each reaper is a harvested civilization, sovereign says we are each a nation, and legion says that when interacting with it, it's like many minds at once, this is obviously alluding to the fact that the minds of the harvested are still inside, maybe like a virtual reality, their minds must get uploaded after being turned to goop, so that's reason 1 I won't kill them 2nd reason is that destroy will kill EDI and the geth, that's literal genocide against innocent beings, who helped us defeat the reapers And lastly, if you destroy them, the galaxy is going to be in turmoil for decades due to destruction of relays and low resources due to war, but if you keep reapers, you can rebuild galaxy and forge ever lasting peace
@tahjsimon9058
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that TIM was right but had already lost before he could carry out his correct plan. Note that TIM and Saren the best of the Galaxy were subjugated quickly before they could fight back. Shepard was lucky that he/she wasn't born earlier.
@LightStreak567
Жыл бұрын
The problem that is being overlooked is while TIM was never wrong, his ideas and beliefs came from the Reapers that made sure he stayed under control like a puppet, what TIM was actually trying to do is dissuade Shepard from using the Crucible to kill the Reapers. Saren and TIM never fought back. Years before Mass Effect 1 since the year Anderson failed to become a Spectre, Saren originally wanted to use Sovereign to kill the human race, but when Sovereign began to indoctrinate him, Saren slowly realized that he has a more important job than settling his personal grudge on humans, he should act as a prophet to the Reaper invasion, and what do prophets do? They tell people what they must do to survive an impending cataclysm. TIM argued that because the Reapers are not really trying to kill all organic life, they are trying to control them (The Reapers only kill the rebellious advanced civilizations), humanity should control the Reapers, and that's where his ideas are wrong, because there are no guarantees that control is absolute. Shepard was born one year before Joker, and three years before the First Contact War.
@michelebelfiore921
4 ай бұрын
Synthesis is the only right choice to me, of course it' easier as a human to destroy what has been threatening you all along but along the games you understand why Reapers were created and you understand why they do what they do, it's because synthetics always brings the collapse of the civilizations they were created by, destroying every civilization before it reach that point preserve the possibility of life even if it requires the annihilation of many many lives. That said, synthesis is the only solution that solve the problem at its core and I really don't get why people say that it makes you nothing more than a husk, it's untrue, it makes you understand synthetics and make them understand you, that's it, it doesn't create a single hybrid species.
@gaiusbaltar8915
Жыл бұрын
Hold on a second. The Reapers are sentient beings, too. Enslaving them for all eternity isn't a good ending.
@LuisManuelLealDias
Жыл бұрын
Correct. Therefore Mass Effect 4 should be about that precise story.
@C0deH0wler
Жыл бұрын
Then Virtual Shepard should fly them into the sun for their crimes.
@legion4902
Жыл бұрын
@@LuisManuelLealDias Except it's not, the trailer shows the reapers dead.
@LuisManuelLealDias
Жыл бұрын
@Legion I did not say it will be, I said it should be.
@legion4902
Жыл бұрын
@LuisManuelLealDias It shouldn't be, it undoes Shepard's entire character arc.
@MrSkullkid60
3 ай бұрын
I think destroy is the best because if you’re doing it right, you aren’t killing Geth and IDA Why ? Because you kill geth platforms, but not necessarily the software There is also a chance that the geth saved themselves in another galaxy For IDA, I guess that the body is done, but the Normandy’s still running
@thekingofra5063
Жыл бұрын
Destroy is the best ending, yes the geth die but the whole point in the game was to destroy the reapers.
@joshuawillis602
8 ай бұрын
Plans can change
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
If you get to the end of your plan and suddenly 2 better options present themselves, you don't just stick with the plan because it's the plan even though it leads to a worse outcome. Sunk cost fallacy.
@thekingofra5063
3 ай бұрын
@@sorin_markov stick with destroy, it's the best outcome. No indoctrination, no cyborg, just annihilation of the reapers.
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
@@thekingofra5063 Destroy doesn't fix the problem though, it's short-sighted. It also kills a lot of innocent people and cripples life across the galaxy for at least a few decades. There's no indoctrination or cyborg in any of the other endings either, so idk what you mean
@thekingofra5063
3 ай бұрын
@@sorin_markov I'm not explaining it, I have faith you'll understand given time. Take care and be happy
@dannyd.5324
Ай бұрын
It’s actually switched with the color scheme on purpose. Control is blue (Paragon), Synthesis (can suck it) and Destroy is shown as Red. They switched the, “good” and “bad” endings like the Reapers are messing with your mind. Destroy is the good ending, but it’s fooling you into believing that’s the dark path.
@kamenballer
3 ай бұрын
The only acceptable choice for Paragon Shepard to pick in that moment is to become the Master of the Reapers(No more war and conflicts). Red is the original goal but there's no way Paragon Shepard will kill EDI or just throw away the work that Legion and him did so that Geth and Quarian can co exist, and remember based on Tali's conversation with Shepard, the Geth was already helping the Quarian little by little how they can live without the suit and helmet. Paragon Shepard will not play God and altered the DNA of all the lives in the entire Galaxy, the only sacrifice that he can do in that moment is to choose what Illusive Man's original plan but in a much peaceful way. Since Shepard will control the Reapers as a Protector to the whole Human and Alien Race and not just for the betterment of Humans only like what the Illusive Man intended.
@santiagogarciazapata7422
15 күн бұрын
Actually I think you are right, there are just some minor problems indicating that Control ending is just the Catalyst indoctrinating Shepard, but yeah I picked that blue ending my first time
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
The problem that Shepard AI cannot evolve. Just like the intelligence behind reapers never evolved. And did commit harvest. What if Shepard AI will use Reapers on half of the galaxy for the greater good? It would still be in line with Shepard values. After all Shepard did destroy mass relay that caused 300 K Batarians to die. It was done for greater good after all. So AI Shepard would do the same at some point.
@Gulmanzo69
Жыл бұрын
I think perfect destroy is the best
@patricknapier5806
Жыл бұрын
So my understanding of the way Mass Effect depicts the Crucible weapon is that it is basically a big EMP "grenade". As the whole game says it is a weapon, very clear on that, but you as Shepard never personally hears what it is using as the lethal device to kill the reapers. And wasn't the whole point to the trilogy was to kill the Reapers? And we know that reaper tech easily corrupts people over time, we see that during the Reaper IFF mission from ME2 in a dormant reaper and the unstable thinking of people like the Illusive Man and Cerberus. So why would anyone think blue or green is viable? So then it boils down to several options if it is a weapon for synthetics. Either it uses the same effects as a nuke going off which is known to cause EMP waves or it is able to somehow mimic a solar flare that also creates EMP waves. If you went with the nuke line of thought then you run into an issue of it being a localized explosion in the Sol/Local System and unable to use the relays as seen in the ending cutseen. So a solar flare effect could maybe be used to initiate the chain reaction but then you somehow need to get that spent energy to other systems with relays. Then you get down that rabbit hole of thinking, not to mention the way galactic readiness effects how the Crucible weapon works. As if you are at the minimum readiness level you are basically firing a HALO ring, mid level is synthetics die and (been a long time sense I saw it) maybe the relays blow up leading to system wide genocide like the Viper nebula with the Batarians, then finally the least realistic to me when the weapon fires and magically does not effect a lot of the Mass Effect universe apart from the Normandy. I get were your heart is going but the paranoid side of me will always pick red for this. Even if it does wipe out the galaxy life will pop up again naturally with time, long enough for the potential of reapers not likely no longer exist.
@JKR9488
Жыл бұрын
I always pick destroy. Synthetics can be rebuilt and restored. It was not my place to force organics and synthetics together. I did what I set out to do.
@allknowingfreddybear9291
4 күн бұрын
The fact that the ending was so controversial and had sparked such aggressive moral debates, just goes to show how truly masterful it was. Say what you will about ME3’s ending, but it was perfect for leaving an impact and a good Martyr always makes for a memorable story. Kudos to the Mass Effect team for such an amazing experience!
@roberthernandez6557
2 ай бұрын
If you really pay attention to the game across all 3 titles. Shepard's main goal has always been to destroy the Reapers. The 3 choices given at the end are a representation of all 3 games. Synthesis is literally what Saren was trying to do. Control is what the Illusive Man was trying to do. Destroy is what Shepard has been fighting for the entire time, so Destroy is the only clear choice.
@Whalewraith
Жыл бұрын
Apart from anything else it was the ending from Babylon 5's shadow war. You know spend 2 seasons getting waring races to bury there differences,a big space battl against overwhelming odds & it all comes down to a conversation in a room... John Sheridans 'now get the hell out of our Galaxy!' was an epic line.
@InsanityorNothing
Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with your assessment that green is the best ending, and whilst I can see your thinking on that, for me it's a choice that massively alters all life in the galaxy and NO ONE is given a choice on that. It is forced upon them whether they want it or not. Control is better then Synthesis by far because at least you keep the knowledge of the Reapers and past species.
@kyzit8458
Ай бұрын
You do that too in synthesis but the reapers pass it willingly
@matthewcooper4248
Жыл бұрын
There's nothing that could convince me that control is the correct ending. We know thanks to the creators that all 3 endings are equally valid and will work with the crucible. But Shepard only saw people trying to control the Reapers when they were indoctrinated. Saren was. The Illusive Man was. The hologram on Thessia talked about Protheans being indoctrinated and thinking they could control the Reapers. There's literally no reason Shepard would actually think it would work.
@LtZorg85
Күн бұрын
I found the green solution better than all. Destruction wasn't an option for me because starting anything from scratch to reach the same point is just illogical. Control is just simply not working either because I haven't sought power, I was seeking peace and solution. Synthesis is my way because IRL I think as well that AI and Human cooperation gonna be the next step on our evolution ladder. At my first playthrough I played with the idea to eliminate the catalyst itself to handle the things with my crew.. I never thought that was an actual optional ending as well. I love the ME series.
@shyper17
11 күн бұрын
Destruction is literally the only choice. Why? The mission comes first. The whole point of the mission, the literal task that you got in the first game, is to stop the reapers. When you realise they cannot be stopped, the trilogy tells you to destroy them. End. No controlling, no alternate options. The objectively most correct and morally and ethically right choice is to eliminate every single synthetic organism in the universe, even at the cost of Legion who, I assume, dies, as he is synthetic as well.
@cyvose
Жыл бұрын
I don’t agree. By picking the control ending you are basically justifying the goals, methods and motivations of Cerberus. Synthesis gameplay wise is designed to be the ideal ending as it’s only available with 3700+MES and results in major advancements without negative consequences. But the weird implications of the ending make it very disturbing. I still always pick it tho.
@shamrock141
Жыл бұрын
You're not justifying Cerberus with Control, Shepherd would have gotten the choice for a control ending regardless of what Cerberus did
@necrocoffee5626
Жыл бұрын
Synthesis choice(green) destroys individuality and turns everyone essentially into what the geth was since the catalyst says we're all connected if we chose synthesis. We have the "understanding" but that understanding is pointless if we have full knowledge of what every person alive has.
@stuffmcstuff399
16 күн бұрын
Destroy ending is the best ending (confirmed by devs). Control ending is, essentially the same as The Illusive man and Synthesis is portrayed by the Heretical Geth and those who have been indoctrinated. The only good ending is to destroy the Reapers.
@williamkerfoot8039
9 ай бұрын
I'm a Paragon player so I also found this to be the best choice. Everyone lives, nobody changes (for better or not), and the Reapers are no longer a threat. It's also the most RPG ish ending since what you've done as a player is taken into account to a fuller extent than the other three.
@shamrock141
Жыл бұрын
To me, the perfect ending is Control. Synthesis is some forced up genetic and synthetic mutation that everyone has to accept, so it's quite invasive. Destroy leaves the galaxy with the problem of eradicated mass relays and kills off Edi and the Beth Control leaves the Reapers in command by a preferably paragon Shepherd, who uses them to rebuild the relays and society
@Darkstepwarrior66
11 ай бұрын
Choosing green gives EDI and the Geth a chance at a life. I've grown to appreciate the character development of EDI, and the Geth as a whole did not deserve to die for what was done. I can't see (if renegade) shooting TIM only to do EXACTLY what he was saying all along. Even if Shepard isn't indoctrinated (depending on if you believe the theory) why would shepard do exactly what was told to you by both Saren or TIM? the whole point was stopping the reapers, but I just can't bring myself to go and destroy them.
@HusieK576
Жыл бұрын
RED ONE: Literally make your efforts of uniting Geths and Quarians go to waste (and romance of EDIxJoker if u approve it) but at least you somehow magically through power of friendship (and friendship is magic and magic is heresy) managed to survive... BLUE ONE: Repeat whole cycle but instead of harvesting organics&synthethics you are in theory protecting them (propably also from each other) but in reality you are keeping them as pets... and Shepard dies... and is reborn as a Star Child 2.0 GREEN ONE: Fuse organics and synthethics together, make them understand each other and simply creat ideal society of organics and synthethics... but at the cost of just one man? Sounds like the most perfect ending but the problem is the green one is just too perfect... CONCLUSSION: None of them is great, all have prons and cons but in the end no matter which one you prefer all your choices did not matter. SOLUTION: Just use "Audemus' Happy Ending Mod".
@meteora4478
Жыл бұрын
Well the quarians and geth still helped you win the war so I wouldn’t call it a waste. The quarians survive and we don’t really know what happens to the geth for sure, from what we’ve seen about the next game they might be making a comeback. We only have the catalyst’s word to go on. I dislike synthesis because it does a very poor job describing what it even does. It’s a very abstract concept and the only actual effect you see is that everyone has green eyes now. I dislike the star child conversation as a whole but the part about synthesis is the one that annoys me the most with how nonsensical it is. I dislike control because it does not offer any real closure to the reaper threat. They’re just controlled by someone else now and who knows what Shepard AI might do or who might take control again in the future. And beyond all that, I simply don’t trust the catalyst to influence my decision, like an above comment said. Star brat can sweet talk synthesis all it wants, the bastard also thought the reapers were a good idea. I’m not gonna risk end up turning everyone into husks or ending up as TIM 2.0, I’m gonna destroy the reapers or die trying. I agree with you though, best to just use AHEM :)
@HusieK576
Жыл бұрын
@@meteora4478 I know the Quarians survive, but the Geths don't (at least according to what Star Child said when we choose RED) and that's enough to make me hate RED more than any other ending.
@La-hora-del-terror
Жыл бұрын
@@HusieK576 you're trusting the word of an AI that has been killing for more than a billion years, maybe the red one destroy every synthetic life form but that life form can be restored making it again, the organic life is only 1 and once it die it can't be repaired. Imagine that you have Siri, that Siri dies and you can go to the mechanical or someone ho can fix it and you have you Siri working again. But if your grandfather die, you can't fix your grandfather and bring him to life again. The point of this is an AI told you that he is the cause of destruction, make you to choose between 4 options, you have to pick what he doesn't want you to choose because that mean it will be destroyed, that's why i choose red ending, EDI if she dies can be restore again, same with the geth but if Liara, Garrus or everyone else dies it will be forever.
@Dak1624
Жыл бұрын
@@HusieK576 Reminder that kid said that organics will have no problem rebuilding. So what's stopping organics to rebuild Geth or Edi.
@Mr.turne4293
Жыл бұрын
@@Dak1624exactly, the only argument you'll find from people is they aren't the same geth or EDI. I'm like they were essentially software. They can be rebuilt. EDI wasn't truly EDI anymore after joker pulled the stunt to save the Normandy from the collectors. She became a free AI that went by EDI because of the interactions she had with the team and joker. Who's to say that can be done twice? Same with the Geth, they were built to serve and given the freedom to understand by letting them achieve singularity, it would be like the geth or EDI never got destroyed.
@lordofgingers
3 ай бұрын
I had an interesting debate with someone recently about destroy. He said that if the crucible targets reaper tech, how come EDI, the geth, and the reapers get targeted but the Normandy with the IFF is fine. And why couldn’t it single out the reapers if the inferometric array can locate every reaper in real time? Given that we got what we got, my conclusion is that sentience and presence of reaper code are both prerequisites for the crucible destroy option to work. (Ie normandy has reaper code but it’s not sentient. Quarians with geth in their suits are themselves not possessing reaper code but the geth uploaded into the suits are and thus would be wiped) Thoughts?
@ddsjgvk
Жыл бұрын
I love how a lot of people say it's a bad ending but right now we are actually kind of facing the same dilemma of the Mass effect 3 ending with howadvanced AI is getting do we take the blue end in and try and control the ai do we take the Green engine and what Elon Musk seems to want to do put chips our brains become one with the AI or red where we just destroy them
@JesusChristDenton_7
7 ай бұрын
Green. Trust me.
@alienatedpoet1766
Жыл бұрын
I never choose control. That just changes management, it does t actually solve the problem. Destroy makes the most narrative sense, but only on a first/second or renegade playthrough. Losing the Geth and EDI after proving that synthetic and organic life can live together undermines all that you fought for. Especially when Shepard himself is partly synthetic due to all the implants to keep him alive after he died the first time. Likewise destroy just seems like delaying the milkyway from restarting a new cycle all over again. There is no guarantee organics and synthetics will stay friendly. Organics will still fight against each other, and so will synthetics. It's only a matter of time before reapers are made again. Synthesis not just unites all species onto the same format, but it also destroys the systems that brought the concept of reapers about in the first place. It is a better long term solution and seems like the best ending. I also feel like narratively it would be interesting for future games. Whenever Andromeda re-establushed contact with the milky way, it would be interesting to see how the two groups would react. You have the "pure" or unaltered species over in Andromeda, and then all the reformatted "united" species back in the milky way. How will they react to each other? Will conflict start again? There are more possibilities with synthesis.
@benjamingrant6203
7 ай бұрын
Although i hated it at the time I actually like the idea 12 years later that my choices didnt matter in the end in a sick sort of a way it kinda makes sense that this isnt a Marvel movie things dont magically happen the way I want them to I either win or lose in the end. Its actually for this reason why most playthroughs of the Mass effect trilogy I choose Destroy and I purposely dont collect enough War Assests to survive what I like about mass effect 3 is your moral alignment doesnt matter anymore if you played through mass effect 2 choosing the options so that you would have enough paragon or renegade to have everyone loyal and everyone survive you will likely have all the paragon or renegade you need to save everyone and can just be the shepard you want to be and are not constrained by morality checks so what if you die in the end to me Mass Effect isnt about the ending its about the journey of becoming legend.
@thenovicewhispers
6 ай бұрын
I love that. "So what if you die? Mass Effect isn't about the ending. It's about the journey of becoming legend." Beautiful.
@dirtyolbastich
Жыл бұрын
It was the reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard there was only two choices give in to the reapers (control or synthesis) or keep fighting them (destroy or shoot the star child)
@napalmblaziken
Жыл бұрын
The writers like that theory, but it's purely a fan invention. It wasn't their intent.
@dirtyolbastich
Жыл бұрын
@napalmblaziken if I were a writer, I'd adopt it because all these a-holes blaming the plot holes on "lazy writing"
@napalmblaziken
Жыл бұрын
@dirtyolbastich Well it was lazy writing. When you make an ending as bad as what ME3 had, you better be prepared for criticism. Whether you want the indoctrination theory to be true or not, at the end of the day, it wasn't what BW intended. The Catalyst was telling the truth, none of your choices mattered in the end. As Chris Hepler said, “While we made some of the ending a little trippy because Shepard is a breath away from dying and it's entirely possible there's some subconscious power to the kid's words, we never had the sort of meetings you'd need to have to properly seed it through the game.” “We weren't that smart. By all means, make mods and write fanfic about it, and enjoy whatever floats your boat, because it's a cool way to interpret the game. But it wasn't our intention. We didn't write that.”
@justinportillo3996
Жыл бұрын
@@napalmblazikenoff topic kinda but I can’t use the AHEM mod for me3 no matter how I much I don’t like the endings. Same as the Indoctrination Theory, it doesn’t sit right with me it’s fine if you find it as “head canon” but to me I find it hard to use it. I’m not against “head canon” lore or endings. I consider the Kotor games canon to the Star Wars lore even though it isn’t.
@kman1893
6 ай бұрын
@@dirtyolbastichit literally was lazy writing lmao
@RayHeflinShepard
Жыл бұрын
Imo, Destroy Ending Is Best Because, Synthesis: Individualaluty Is Terminated It Kind Of Destroys What Organics Are, Control: If Shepard Loses Control Of The Reapers Then We Would Be Back In The Same Scenario
@braxinIV
3 ай бұрын
All I’ll say is that the catalyst said all synthetics would die, including Shepard, but the red option is the only way you see Shepard “live”. So that child is full of shit.
@oldtomdjinn5836
Жыл бұрын
Objectively we shouldn't trust anything the Catalyst tells us. But at the same time, if the Catalyst is a super-intelligence, you would think it could come up with a better means of ensuring it's goals than "I hope I can trick Shepard into picking the option I want!" The reality is the writers just didn't think it through. Having said that, if we do assume that all three options are as described on their own terms, I agree the Blue ending is the best (and not just because I am a blue genie.) Red results in the genocide of the Geth - a species you (probably) just went through a lot of trouble to make peace with (thereby disproving the Catalysts' whole f-ing argument, but let's set that aside.) It also kills EDI, and destroys the mass effect network, plunging the galaxy into isolation. Green fundamentally alters every sentient being in the galaxy without their consent, as well as being extremely woo-woo ("We all become both synthetic and organic and then there will be true understanding, maaaan..." Why, exactly?) Blue is risky, sure, especially if Shepard isn't fully in control of their own mind. But if Shep was indoctrinated, we sure don't see evidence of that in the epilogue. What we do see is the Reapers ceasing hostilities, helping to repair the damage they have done, and then the standard shots of the Normandy crew bravely carrying on. So to recap: the enemy stops trying to kill you, helps you rebuild, nobody gets genocided, and nobody has their flesh impregnated with green glowy circuits that make organic-synthetic conflict impossible forever. Sounds pretty balanced.
@blaze595
2 ай бұрын
The more discussion I see around the end of ME3, the more I wish we got the leaked original concept; that advanced civilization's overuse of mass effect technology/biotics will lead to catastrophic destabilization of dark matter in the galaxy (at least i think that's how it went). Seems so much more interesting of a concept, and like it would have made a lot more sense for the setting than the 'AI cannot coexist with organics' route they ended up going for....
@medical-cyanide1526
Жыл бұрын
Out of the five endings. And if we trust everything the SC says control is imo technically the best? Synthesis feels to fairytale esque to work (that might be because it wasn’t explained well enough) but if I’m gonna be a selfish bastard cause with my play through, tail broke my heart (her goodbye as the Normandy evac’s your squad) the “I have a home” when shep tells her to go live her life and build herself a home, it absolutely wrecked my heart strings the first time around (after sitting through like the last 30 mins of ME3 5 times it unfortunately started to wear off. (FUCK YOU EA FOR NOT LETTING ME SKIP THE DIALOG AT LEAST!))I’m gonna destroy everything and live with the guilt of killing a species I had just gone through the effort of giving a chance to be themselves.
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
Wayyyy too many destroy sympathizers here. Destroy doesn't actually fix the problem and also wipes out innocent people. It's literally the worst ending besides doing nothing and letting the reapers kill everyone. Synthesis is clearly the best, control is okay, destroy is bad, and whatever the do nothing one is is awful.
@MrSkullkid60
3 ай бұрын
Destroy doesn’t kill organics so why is it bad ?
@sorin_markov
3 ай бұрын
@@MrSkullkid60 Because it's still genocide against the Geth, who the whole trilogy has been telling us are people, and it doesn't solve the broader problem of organics vs synthetics. Also the minor inconvenience of destroying all mass effect relays with nobody around who knows how to fix them, but that's only debatably an issue
@kyzit8458
Ай бұрын
@@MrSkullkid60It kill synthetics xd
@atlasbluejay
Жыл бұрын
Personally, I see synthesis as nothing but a more advanced form of what happened to the Protheans that turned them into the collectors over time. Yeah it looks like an equal mix but nobody consented to this change, and not only that but long term it could be the worst decision and even exactly what was intended by the reapers. Even Saren was a good example on how this was a tightrope choice that in the end went wrong, we have no good example in the entire series on how synthesis could possibly be a good choice. Even Control has better examples than that, look at the Geth. Destroy seems to me like the only probable and ‘good’ decision for Shepard and the universe as a whole. It sets back technology but with records and process that can easily be redone, not only redone but improved. And bonus points, it’s the only choice where shepard and everyone possible really survives.
@ciaranmcguinness8900
Жыл бұрын
Destroy is the canon ending and is likely where the next game picks up from, hopefully the Geth and Quarian were somehow immune to the blast but there it is
@mando_dablord2646
Жыл бұрын
Control is probably the most opened ended and potentially the worst ending. Control is just creating a Shepard AI. So you losing control of the game after that makes sense. Since it's no longer you/Shepard. Who knows what they AI will do, it could stay as a force for good or it can go the path of the catalyst.
@steam1984
2 ай бұрын
The best ending is the one where shepard gets to enjoy his quarian buckethead, which is only the destroy ending.
@d.rabbit7276
7 ай бұрын
Destroy fanboys: I think you are conveniently forgetting that the destroy option isn't a destroy forever situation. Like the star brat said, the peace won't last and the chaos will come back. Why are we acting like this isn't apart of the problem?
@lonestar3235
7 ай бұрын
Because they are genocidal maniacs who think "hard man making hard choices while being hard" is so hot.
@aestheticleviathan7028
7 ай бұрын
@@lonestar3235lmfao so true
@junde410
Жыл бұрын
Destroy is the most short-sighted. If you gain the full picture and still decide on destroy, you’re simply dooming future generations to the same. It doesn’t actually solve the issue at hand, just pushes it down the road.
@dulence2433
9 ай бұрын
I dont trust a word the catalyst says, i dont trust an ai shepard controling reapers, the green ending makes no sense and is space magic..but destroy? Shepards mission was to destroy reapers, not control, destroy.
@aestheticleviathan7028
7 ай бұрын
Why destroy everything synthetic, when the geths have just obtained peace. Its a temporary solution, organics will build synthetics and the synthetics will rise and win bc no reapers. Also you ground everyone to whatever system they are in with no aid from outside. Control is just the same as the first catalyst, eventually even though its a sheperd ai who would have the best intentions in mind and fair but eventually some time down the line they’ll have a similar answer or realize the reapers were right, since organics will always build synthetics. Synthesis evolves the galaxy to the new step it literally betters every being in the galaxy and galaxy wide peace is obtained since everyone understands one another now, being half synthetic and half organic. A beautiful ending
@theoverthinkingalien224
10 ай бұрын
Since ME3 copied Deus Ex endings they may as well do it again. Have the true ending that the next title builds from be a mix of all three: Maybe Shepard chooses synthesis and therefore the Reapers eventually indoctrinated him enough for him to not destroy them (he is human after all), but it doesn't work as intended. The Crucible only turns a minority of the galaxy into hybrid machine-organic creatures, Shepard's mind is copied and replaces the Catalyst as the controlling power behind the Reapers and the Crucible is destroyed in the process.
@HypnoChode74
7 ай бұрын
As much as it pained me knowing the Geth and EDI would die it’s the only logical ending. Granted I feel bad for Joker since that’s literally the only woman he loved, and of course EDI was apart of the ship. But from Sheppards point of view Destroy makes perfect sense.
@aestheticleviathan7028
7 ай бұрын
Why destroy everything synthetic, when the geths have just obtained peace. Also you ground everyone to whatever system they are in with no aid from outside. Control is just the same as the first catalyst, eventually even though its a sheperd ai who would have the best intentions in mind and fair but eventually some time down the line they’ll have a similar answer or realize the reapers were right, since organics will always build synthetics. Synthesis evolves the galaxy to the new step it literally betters every being in the galaxy and galaxy wide peace is obtained since everyone understands one another now, being half synthetic and half organic. A beautiful ending
@aestheticleviathan7028
7 ай бұрын
Also destroy is a temp solution. You all realize that organics are gonna build synthetics again right? You realize the reapers wont be here to unit the galaxy. The synthetics win if you choose destroy
@gavinnelson3402
2 ай бұрын
The single dumbest thing about the endings, eapecially destroy, is that to make it happen you must shoot a power coil and blow up the fancy machine the scientists made for you/atomize yourself. In what way is that conceived as the obvious intended use for it by the fanbase I struggle to understand, more so considering all three ideas are suggested by the catalyst which so many despise. Absolute miracle you could even get an emp out of that thing without the ai doing all the heavy lifting... really think too much stock is put into firing a pistol into things. I'd believe the catalyst is a sham theory much more if shepard actually did anything tech related at all, even as far as pressing a button. In red you get what you want but it seems obvious the machine wasn't built for the purpose.
@bnsmark6794
Жыл бұрын
The amount of people that argue the red ending is the best PURELY because it is in defiance of the reapers, is concerning. See the bigger picture, there's a bigger philosophical question being asked here than just "Reaper go BOOM!". I'm not saying the destroy ending is a wrong choice, not at all! What I *am* saying, however, is that choosing an ending that will genocide several artificial species as well as kill many people in the aftermath, just because it's in defiance of the Reapers and so that Shepard survives, is terrible reasoning.
@theamazingmaymay123
27 күн бұрын
Storywise, destroy is the best option and the goal from the start. It ruins EVERYTHING we did up to this point but it’s whatever. However, continuing the series wise and making one canon. It’s Control. Having Shepherd become in control of the reapers, everyone n everything is alive but he becomes mad with power and the next games we have to again try and take down the reapers with a Shepherd being in control of them. So it’s us vs our shepherd, sounds pretty impossible and bad ass
@olliewood42
8 ай бұрын
All I'm saying is, I didn't play through 3 games to not destroy the intergalactic lovecraftian machine devils at the end.
@nemesis7895
3 ай бұрын
Lore friendly is destruction because Shepard always wanted to destroy the reaper not control them or the other ending
@AdromedaJoel
11 ай бұрын
Destroy ending is the most true to Shepard. Since the first game the ”control” or ”synthesis” wich Saren talks about is just lies the Reapers tell through their indoctrinated agents. As some people said here, first Saren and also Mirandas father who was clearly indoctrinated and his experiments where horrible. And ofc the Illusive Man is the most prominent of the control option. And the Reapers genesis the Levaithans choose to control ”lesser” races and in their hubris created an AI wich turned the whole galaxy into an experiment with the ultimate goal to preserve life at any cost. Shepard believes in free will and is fighting to destroy the Reapers control and cycle of genocide. I also believe the destroy ending will be cannon if you watch the teaser for the next Mass Effect, you can clearly see Liara climbing a Reaper corpse and you can also see another one in the background. So destroy for me is the most true to what Shepard fought for, you can’t trust the catalyst/intelligence if it has full control of the Reapers
@themangoloid5452
7 ай бұрын
I prefer synthesis as it doesn’t kill EDI or the fucking Geth I spent two games trying to make nice with the Quarians But in my honest opinion Destroy I feel is true canon.
@babyyoda8219
Жыл бұрын
Why are y’all obsessed with a happy ending, I was late to this series and I couldn’t figure out why fans hated the ending so much when i finally completed the game.
@shamrock141
Жыл бұрын
The original ending was a lot worse than the legendary edition. I played the trilogy for the first time on LE and it was fantastic but I can see how the original fans were upset. There was every Indication that the Normandy and its crew were dead along with Shepherd in the original
@babyyoda8219
Жыл бұрын
@@shamrock141 I would have preferred that ending.
@jedibateman9452
9 ай бұрын
That why the ending mod is perfect. Did what a multi million company couldn't do twice. Give us the perfect ending. They always fixed the legendary edition aswell as adding to it. So they turned the disappointing edition into the legandary edition
@gibster9624
10 ай бұрын
Hundreds of hours going all over the galaxy all to get to a point that we might destroy the reapers once and for all just for a star God to have one conversation with us and convince us to synthesis with the reapers... just don't make any sense. Imagine if at the end of End Game the Avengers decided you know what? Let's let Thanos have what he wanted and instead we'll use the stones to bring him back to life. Why anyone would pick anything other than destroy ending is utterly baffles me. You know what Luke, go ahead and join the Dark Side and stand beside the emperor. Frodo don't destroy the ring. It's Luke watching the final season of Game of Thrones on purpose.
@kapellmeisterr
Жыл бұрын
But the point of the reaping instead of being robot police was because IA one day would surpass the reapers
@luciusdomitiusaurelianus8826
8 ай бұрын
Destroy. The premise that the crucible can tell the difference between an AI and my microwave is stupid and I have chosen to write it off as deservedly non-canon.
@gachalordnoobie4911
3 ай бұрын
If you can't fit the whole video in it then DON'T make the video at all.
@axelnilsson5124
2 ай бұрын
The relationships did matter as it was thanks to them and everyone in the galaxy that lead to Shepard’s sacrifice
@angelpaz4759
7 ай бұрын
For me, picking blue is just a representation that you were indoctrinated through the game
@misterchubbikins
6 ай бұрын
There was a forth ending where the cycle just continues
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