By the way, this studio "trick" I described in the description was actually very common back in the days of analog recording. Most notably what comes to mind is Led Zeppelin doing this with a few of their songs (I will upload those songs at a later time). Studio recordings are meant to showcase the artist to sound as best as they can. Even if the artist is great live (like Metallica), there are still plenty of studio tricks that are implemented since albums are what represents the artist the most. Nowadays, you will more than likely never be able to tell if a song was recorded at a lower tuning or speed, since it's very simple to digitally change the pitch of a song / sound without messing with the tempo, and vice versa.
@SPNKr16
Жыл бұрын
The finished product is in 435 Hz. The rest of the album is in 440. Actually I'll paste a nugget of a reddit comment that I've saved to my account for many years. A guy A-B tested all their songs with a tuner pitched to A440, he's a guitarist and I am too. Have been fascinated with musical pitch etc my whole life. " _I check most songs with a tuner and this is what I found KEA -RTL (442-444) MOP(435) AJFA (444 only for One) Black (440-441) I'm gonna guess that maybe tape delay for most of them but MOP stands out for whatever reason._ " And then I quoted him and responded to another relaying this information with " _I can verify this because I've tried it out myself._ _MOP title track is definitely in 435, must be a deliberate detune, whereas Welcome Home is 440 for eg._ _The rest of RTL besides Creeping and Bellz should be in 442._ _Those 2 songs are even higher. In the stems the songs are in their original speed aka 440._ " Calculating your info coupled with the research we have the following figures: 415.305 Hz to 435 Hz equals 4.742% 415.305 Hz to 440 Hz equals 5.946% _____________________________5.344% average speed increase (maybe for the entire MoP album) _______________________________-5.613% equals 440 Hz down to 415.305 Hz. This is the speed you slow down perfect 440 Hz tracks. _______________________________-4.528% equals 435 Hz down to 415.305 Hz which is what you use on the original Master of Puppets track. It's no wonder every debut album sounds like it was recorded by teens, then magically 1-2 years later they have their best work AND sound. Every band was like this. Slayer finally begun to nail it on Hell Awaits, and then their matured bruteforce Reign in Blood came about 1.5 years after that. I know people physically mature since the thrash scene was only formed, driven and partaken by teens and early adults but this studio trick must have been a recording secret for the longest time. Put both together and you have the difference between Belladonna's first album with Anthrax and Among the Living.
@WitheredRoseMusic
21 күн бұрын
i don't have much of a reason to doubt you as far as the guitars are concerned, although I do personally believe the *vocals* were probably recorded at the speed we hear on the album. James's voice was *still* pretty high-pitched in 1985 when this album was being recorded, but the vocals in this slowed-down version sound almost unnaturally deep. Obviously, I know sounding "natural" isn't even the point of this experiment, but it's just a little observation I wanted to throw out there, and I thought other readers might be interested.
@89kilemal
20 күн бұрын
@@WitheredRoseMusic i agree, it sounds off. and there'd be no reason to do so, just put in the vocals afterwards lol.
@EattheApple666
19 күн бұрын
Put the mirror away.
@WitheredRoseMusic
19 күн бұрын
@@EattheApple666 what do you mean by this?
@Incog2k6
4 күн бұрын
Man, so many people here don't get it, ffs. Nobody is denying that Metallica could've easily played it at the same tempo as the final version from the get-go, and yes, they obviously played it even faster live. THE REASON THEY DID THIS was to make the guitars sound tighter!!!! All of you, who play guitar, know that you can't pluck the strings as hard when you play fast (shredders need to basically glide over the strings). You sacrifice sound for speed. With the trick they utilized here (lower tuning and slower), they were able to make the song sound SUPER TIGHT after speeding it up. Maintaining that tightness is IMPOSSIBLE TO DO at that tempo naturally. If they had recorded the song at its intended speed from the get-go, the main riff would've sounded weaker. Heck, just listen to all live versions, where the main riff always lacks that punch from the studio version. But no, people here instead have to mention 100 times that Metallica could've played it fast if they had wanted to. NO S**T, that wasn't the point of this video. The uploader even clarified already. Jesus, man.
@LLF1234
4 күн бұрын
History I read/heard is that Cliff wasn't actually able to play it to speed by then (he was still learning the song) and he needed a few more days but they didn't have it. So they recorded like that, but by the time they went on tour, Cliff was already up to speed
@stevenhossack83
21 күн бұрын
Why are we all suddenly being recommended this video? 😂
@piscesjesus1979
20 күн бұрын
To those attempting to cover this song. Just maybe. Anyways, this song still has a lifetime impact in our lives.
@larryhaug71
20 күн бұрын
IKR
@sherifflalito
17 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@pappachook
17 күн бұрын
😮
@coldacre
16 күн бұрын
google ad campaign. you pay for google to put this in peoples feeds
@liamp1217
Жыл бұрын
My life is a lie
@Jittzi
Жыл бұрын
your pfp is awesome
@dougchampion8084
26 күн бұрын
Live Shit isn't actually "live" either. The only part that's truly live is Kirk's long solo of random noise. They rest of the album is an edit of four Mexico shows, where they cut together the best parts of each songs. Most live albums have been "faked" in some kind of way, unfortunately.
@PastorOfMuppets74
18 күн бұрын
@@liamp1217 lmao...congrats. Now you're level 2 reality
@Akyuu2608
4 күн бұрын
The description is wrong a little. The vocals were recorded after the guitars and the guitars were the only thing recorded slower then sped up.
@Akyuu2608
21 күн бұрын
The vocals were recorded on top after everything else was sped up.
@NPC999
19 күн бұрын
Only the guitars were tracked at a slower speed... everything else was (drums, bass, vocals) were at the normal tempo.
@sbstefan
26 күн бұрын
They probably sped it up before recording the vocals. I mean, why wouldn't they? Also, you can tell the vocals sound slowed down on this version.
@guitarbadres
13 күн бұрын
Guitars definitely sound more natural at this speed, thanks so much!!
@williamrusso3130
11 ай бұрын
I guarantee there were bands who did this with the purpose of making it seem like they can play at speeds they couldn't. This isn't the case, though. Metallica could absolutely play at the intended speed, and even faster. Doing this was an artistic choice. Speeding up the tape also sped up the decay of the guitars, which made those palm mutes sound much more distinct and staccato. As opposed to playing it at-speed. It's kind of like how many metal bands nowadays heavily gate their rhythm tracks.
@yobrethren
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, that analogy with gating the rhythm tracks is spot on, agree 100%. Older mixes always sound more human, compared to newer musicians - recording riffs piece by piece and piecing together a "perfect" recording. IMO heavy gating sounds real good in Industrial Rammstein style bands, but not faster stuff.
@AntonKosachev
Ай бұрын
Not really, it played with all downstrokes in album version. In lots of live versions that I’ve watched James either being starts adding upstrokes or when keeps all downstrokes clarity of attack and timing gets significantly sacrificed. There are players in our days who are able to play it at speed, clean, and all downstrokes. Jeff Waters would be a great example.
@dougchampion8084
26 күн бұрын
Assuming they "could play it even faster" is silly. They played it as fast as they could while still keeping it tight. This is that speed.
@knotid
7 күн бұрын
Yep, that's true. There's some videos and articles with Flemming Rasmussen talking about that method of lowering the tempo when recording, specially on vocals and then speeding it up when mixing. And he talked then too that due Cliff doesn't liked to use headphones, they had to put him with speakers in one room because Cliff liked to move and feel free as well, so he cannot stand right in time so Flemming had to downtuning the bass and guitars a bit, so once he started to mix, he had to speed it up so Cliff's performance was matched to real tempo. And yes, I had that weird feeling too when I was listening the album, the tonal mismatching because I play guitar and I had to retune my guitar every song because every song was a little bit out of tune with the next.
@lydfar2392
4 күн бұрын
Flemming didn't do the mixing on The Master of puppets album.
@Sunderleaf
Күн бұрын
this is amazing, makes you wonder if they still do this today. Studio Secrets. Amazing!
@brycebonilla4288
19 күн бұрын
The main riff sounds more menacing in this version, kind of like Disposable Heroes.
@Cthulhu_Awaken
17 күн бұрын
Your.nickname.
@Owen_plays_music1049
21 күн бұрын
Master of Puppets but it's 1995:
@adrianjunor8661
15 күн бұрын
Why are so many people get offended by this? it is a known fact for ages 😂
@mrpositronia
5 күн бұрын
They don't like to be told they're believing lies. It's the same as being told you're too stupid to work things out on your own.
@mikolajsluzewski6121
10 күн бұрын
And suddenly I can play it downpicked in time with the recording 😂 you just made me play better LOL 😅
@TwoThreeFour
23 күн бұрын
In this version James vocal sounds heavier, like in Justice album and beyond
@shecklesmack9563
22 күн бұрын
Maybe his voice didn’t change much between this and AJFA after all… oh shit.
@89kilemal
20 күн бұрын
@@shecklesmack9563 it did, they werent actually changed here
@punch845
22 күн бұрын
There was a concert in 1986 just after Cliff's passing, they were playing faster than the album.
@zachlewis9751
21 күн бұрын
Very common for performances that don't use click tracks. I actually prefer it, feels more human.
@Rickkelley365
21 күн бұрын
they always played faster than album until they started using clicks not too long ago.
@user-ov2mx9rf9c
20 күн бұрын
that concert is speeded up
@slowandsafegaming4126
20 күн бұрын
This is outrageous. How many more lies have I been told by the coucil?
@AdrianChazz
20 күн бұрын
Well... Hetfield was a part of the council, yes, but was never actually granted the rank of Master... ...of Puppets.
@slowandsafegaming4126
20 күн бұрын
@@AdrianChazzyou have made my day. Thank you, that was brilliant 😁
@AdrianChazz
20 күн бұрын
@@slowandsafegaming4126 May the Force be with you, kind stranger...
@slowandsafegaming4126
20 күн бұрын
@@AdrianChazz and may the force be with you 👍
@jamesharmon7733
20 күн бұрын
Every studio recording is a lie. It’s more like a movie than a documentary.
@ned1621
20 күн бұрын
It sounds more solid than the original, I think it sounds better... But live they play it Faster....Master...
@murfdog19
Ай бұрын
I actually prefer this version. They sped it up to give it a "crisper" sound, but it thumps at this tempo.
@Elyotes
27 күн бұрын
That possibly because he tunes it down to Eb too
@Madmetalmaniac42069
22 күн бұрын
@@Elyotes Speeding up the tape would have tuned it up, so he basically just revealed what it was recorded as. Zeppelin did this for The Song Remains the Same and a few other songs.
@ChadPhilip
8 ай бұрын
Kirk H. mentions in his recent interview with Rick Beato that The Thing that Should Not Be was recorded in C#.
@rileyyoung8525
26 күн бұрын
I think they sped that one up too, so it sounds likes it is D on the album.
@frayedsanity
22 күн бұрын
@@rileyyoung8525 It is in D on the album 🙂
@neonigor248
2 жыл бұрын
I like this version more
@huskybrutor9287
14 күн бұрын
It’s how we all play master of puppets 😂
@ochoporocho64
21 күн бұрын
KZitem recommendations 2024
@GigaManners
23 күн бұрын
This makes alot of sense now. I knew they did it with the guitars, but didn't realize the vocals and drums are also tuned up. Guess it wasn't so easy to do it separately with 80s recording equipment.
@LETSpeakTRUTH
23 күн бұрын
The vocals were most certainly not recorded at a lower pitched and slower. That's more of a hassle than it would be worth. Also humans have a really good ability to pick out issues with the voice. You can tell that the vocals were slowed in this video. They don't really sound natural. For me It's how he ends his phrases or elongating words that comes off as if it's slowed. If they were recorded slower initially, then they should sound natural here, but they don't. Now yes, he could just been doing that on purpose because he knows when they speed it up, it'll sound good, but that's putting a lot of faith in a process you won't know the end result of, especially when working with tape. Also It would just fuck with his singing and make this one of his worst performances on the album when it doesn't sound any different from the rest. Metallica was trying to get the tightest and best performances, so recording slower for instruments like Guitars and drums works but for the human voice, not really. Also, in the deluxe edition of Master Of Puppets, there's rough mixes that you can listen to. Master of puppets has no vocals on the rough mix. And they had the ability to record each part separately for years already, it's why there's videos of only the guitar tracks, vocal tracks, drum tracks or bass tracks available. Idk, it literally does not make sense to record vocals slower, which will be way more unnatural for your vocalist, when he could just record naturally with his natural timing, pitch and enunciation after they speed up the instrumentals.
@bigfig
21 күн бұрын
Vocals, Bass and Drums were recorded on original speed. Because of that, bass is a little sloppy, while the guitars are perfect.
@pzuliomaccavellion9711
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the day, I would record my band at standard speed and then vary the speed while recording some of the vocal tracks, to allow differing timbres and frequencies in the singers voice to appear and cut down on frequency cancellation. Recording with tape was limiting, and you'd employ any trick you could, unlike the digital domain these days.
@Michael_VG
18 күн бұрын
I actually love it at this tempo/pitch
@Cybothron
8 күн бұрын
It sounds so much better holy fuck
@LLF1234
4 күн бұрын
Weirdly I agree, this sounds even better than original! Kinda dark-ish
@GuiOmania
23 күн бұрын
Ironically this is the speed the song have been play live in the past 30 years !!!
@matthewperry2767
23 күн бұрын
Uh where?
@v0id-g0st
23 күн бұрын
@@matthewperry2767 literally everywhere
@matthewperry2767
23 күн бұрын
@@v0id-g0st not when Ive seen them. Usually sped up
@holdthis3545
22 күн бұрын
you can't really pinpoint an exact live speed for Puppets bc Lars keep changing the tempo lmao he likes to speed tf up after the solo hits
@tuna5689
22 күн бұрын
@@holdthis3545 true
@bigfig
21 күн бұрын
To record THAT tight as it's on the MOP record, I'm sure Hetfield used a lot slower bpm. I mean 144-160 bpm, and then it was speeded up. Otherwise, you can't get that attack like on the record.
@jason30strange
2 жыл бұрын
Son of a…! This makes way too much sense. I always knew something was fishy when I was learning it from the original recording. But the 5% difference kinda sounds slightly off on the clean part and always made me feel like my guitar wasn’t in good tune. Thanks for this. As a megadeth fan overall, this is a whole box of ammo now. LoL. Nah. I’m a fan of both bands. But megadeth has never done this to my knowledge. But then again, what do I know? I just learned this. Ha.
@SPNKr16
Жыл бұрын
The title track Master of Puppets is in 435 Hz. For some reason they didn't want to, or couldn't, speed it all the way up to 440 Hz. The rest of the MoP album is in 440 Hz. Here's more food for thought: " I check most songs with a tuner and this is what I found KEA -RTL (442-444) MOP(435) AJFA (444 only for One) Black (440-441) I'm gonna guess that maybe tape delay for most of them but MOP stands out for whatever reason. " And then I quoted him and responded to another relaying this information with " I can verify this because I've tried it out myself. MOP title track is definitely in 435, must be a deliberate detune, whereas Welcome Home is 440 for eg. The rest of RTL besides Creeping and Bellz should be in 442. Those 2 songs are even higher. In the stems the songs are in their original speed aka 440. " 415.305 Hz to 435 Hz equals 4.742% 415.305 Hz to 440 Hz equals 5.946% _____________________________5.344% average speed increase (maybe for the entire MoP album) _______________________________-5.613% equals 440 Hz down to 415.305 Hz. This is the speed you slow down perfect 440 Hz tracks. _______________________________-4.528% equals 435 Hz down to 415.305 Hz which is what you use on the original Master of Puppets track.
@yegocego
9 ай бұрын
Every band in the 80s have done the same trick but not because they cant play it metallica played the songs on mop even faster during live concerts recording guitars slower and speding them up just sounds more tight
@leonolasco7112
3 ай бұрын
who the fuck talks like this
@mk_jdilla
20 күн бұрын
They did it for Peace Sells, but the other way around. The album was recorded with a E standard tuning but the final mastering was in between E and D# (about 2/3 on the way to E from D#). So basically slowed down by about 3%.
@Zyborggian
22 күн бұрын
Not sure if you're full of shit or forreal forreal on god but GODDAMN I actually really fucks with this tempo ngl
@bavariandave5627
2 жыл бұрын
Faster! Faster! Obey your Master! 🤣
@frayedsanity
22 күн бұрын
You could use that line alot hahahaha
@johnmorrison5502
8 күн бұрын
Actually James played it like twice as fast,all down picking, but they had to slow it down for everyone else to record. It’s a joke by the way.
@piscesjesus1979
20 күн бұрын
Lyric wise, so the listemer could understand the lyrics without losing the intebsity and heaviness of the song.
@jewishjellydonut
21 күн бұрын
Oh thats why the tone sounded better on this song than on every other one
@gorstone36
Жыл бұрын
The entire MoP album’s rhythm guitar tone has always sounded eerily robotic and sterile, but the title track always appeared even more odd to me rhythm guitar wise. When I learned about Flemming’s trick, everything made sense.
@LeeB-l6y
22 күн бұрын
I need more than just the word of someone on KZitem 🥴
@Condemned782
22 күн бұрын
You can look it up too. It’s a fairly widely known fact
@NPC999
19 күн бұрын
Rasmussen and Hammett have stated this fact on multiple occasions.
@joeldukes303
19 күн бұрын
I like this speed better
@GeorgeRasoulisMusic
18 күн бұрын
There's a rumour about it but doesn't even matter . They are playing it faster than the original in live performances.
@Cthulhu_Awaken
17 күн бұрын
They used to at least.
@luukeksifrozenhillbillyeur3407
16 күн бұрын
You're correct. In studio the end result is what matters anyway.
@Akyuu2608
10 күн бұрын
The producer said the guitar tracks were recorded slower then sped up. The interviews are easy to find
@GeorgeRasoulisMusic
10 күн бұрын
@@Akyuu2608 i ve seen it once upon a time , but then i saw the live in Seattle and didn't matter anymore what the producer said. Jame's nailed it vocally and his guitar performance was also impeccable. I don't need to say that they played it faster than the original speed.
@CaribSurfKing1
12 күн бұрын
Doesn’t matter, they played it much faster than original live in 86
@DerSilvano
11 күн бұрын
The canada one was insane
@mannymann321
11 күн бұрын
Cocaine...
@mikolajsluzewski6121
10 күн бұрын
@@mannymann321that's Clapton's song! 😁
@stevef4930
9 күн бұрын
Yeah but it wasn’t as clean so it does matter
@Mastraofpuppets
13 күн бұрын
What’s the source for this info?? I’m looking around and having trouble finding anything surrounding this. I LOVE Eb tuning and if this is true it would make my whole life.
@RalphMayers
26 күн бұрын
Actually i like this version more,lol. They should have used this version back in a day.That's a pitty that they changed their mind.
@basicallysnake
8 күн бұрын
Is it bad that I like this more than the released version
@mary_buttowski
8 күн бұрын
No, it sounds more natural
@codybullard7836
3 күн бұрын
Bro same I prefer half step tuning anyway
@espectrum9609
12 күн бұрын
They did this all over Ride The Lightining album
@FabioLovaglio
18 күн бұрын
The vocals sounds way better in this version, they probably did a disservice by recording the vocals slower too, this trick works way better on instrumental than vocals. The way they've done it they did achieved some extra tightness but they sacrificed depht in the vocals timbre, it is what it is...
@luukeksifrozenhillbillyeur3407
16 күн бұрын
What makes you think they recorded the vocals slowed down as well 😃 ?
@FabioLovaglio
16 күн бұрын
@@luukeksifrozenhillbillyeur3407 The vocals sounds more natural in this version
@huskybrutor9287
14 күн бұрын
It does sound more like James’s later vocals
@norbitcleaverhook5040
13 күн бұрын
Only the guitars were recorded and sped up, James downtuned for it. The vocals were recorded after at normal speed otherwise you get that strange tracking that is going on here if you listen intently
@FabioLovaglio
12 күн бұрын
@@norbitcleaverhook5040 If that's the case, I think they should have recorded the whole thing on a lower key/pitch, James's voice sounds definitely better at lower key, it seems that this clip proves this for at least the 85/86 era, but I think it's true even now, I saw a clip of James doing Fight fire with fire 2-3 years ago, thew were downtuned (I'm pretty sure was a whole tone down) and he sounded really good.
@TheGhostzZ
5 күн бұрын
Actually the tape i have at home (originally recorded froma record by my dad) sounds like this!
@guillermocorreatedesco2011
19 күн бұрын
In fact the voice sounds.more organic and compatible with and justicie era
@norbitcleaverhook5040
13 күн бұрын
Yet the vocals here are slowed down. Only the guitars were recorded and sped up. The guitars were downtuned to make up for it, the vocals were recorded at normal speed to hide the strange tracking that is clearly heard here when you listen intently.
@albertooha
14 күн бұрын
Wow 9 minutes impressive
@stanleyrojina4481
13 күн бұрын
Lets see Paul Allen's recording.
@norbitcleaverhook5040
13 күн бұрын
You are gay
@fade2black244
20 күн бұрын
I like this better.
@nothinghead123
2 жыл бұрын
My wife tells me I’m cheating when I slow a song down to learn it and then speed it back up
@joaquincortes1923
9 күн бұрын
This explains A LOT
@LLF1234
4 күн бұрын
Like what?
@gabrieledc5846
17 күн бұрын
It’s hot like hell 🔥
@saper3590
19 күн бұрын
This is what you hear when youre at the dooms gate
@LightningJackFlash
28 күн бұрын
This is amazing!! Although James voice sounds slowed down, I almost can't believe the vocals are original in this slower version. But the tunings of all instruments match. Great job and thanks, I heard of this recording slower and looked if someone found the original recording tempo. You did. Great job!
@89kilemal
20 күн бұрын
because its not lol
@bucketfeet5567
20 күн бұрын
Makes it much easier to play on guitar
@NPC999
19 күн бұрын
The guitars were actually tracked slower than this.
@andrew6978
Жыл бұрын
I actually think this sounds better than the sped up version where James sounds a bit weird. Seems weird that James wouldn't record his vocals over the sped up backing, it's not like he can't sing in E, so this decision must have come after the whole thing was recorded.
@yegocego
9 ай бұрын
Bro james recorded vocals over the sped up version the guy who uploaded this video just slowed the whole song by %15 thats all only the rythm guitar was recorded slower so it would sound more agressive
@nick-müsc
15 күн бұрын
Wait... I... I can do this
@albertooha
14 күн бұрын
Frfr
@DrxSlump
18 күн бұрын
My life was a lie, especially since this doesn't feel unnatural
@bobilly
14 күн бұрын
I like it, actually
@asanseil5553
Жыл бұрын
I spend my entire senior year of high school building up the down picking endurance and stamina to get through the entire song without stopping. Took me months to build up enough to get through the post-solo part and now I know why. I should have just slowed it down. lmao. Cheaters. I was 18 back then too so wtf?
@zephyrmusic_
Жыл бұрын
They definitely could play it at original speed & even faster, they just slowed it to have everything in the song & have the guitar sounding more tight. They played it way faster at Toronto or Seattle, they play it at the real speed with cliff in 1985
@asanseil5553
Жыл бұрын
Eventually the album got boring so I jumped to the live versions instead. :) I still prefer Seattle Horsemen version than any other version out there. @@zephyrmusic_
@charlesbonson9084
6 күн бұрын
Bullshit. It’s noticeable in the vocals that this has been slowed down artificially.
@schwabenhunting2704
5 күн бұрын
Yeah, its in 435 Hz which is a noticeable difference to the 440 Standard, so its more likely that it was slowed down
@Akyuu2608
4 күн бұрын
The vocals were recorded after. The only parts recorded slower then sped up were the guitars and maybe bass (somewhere says Cliff couldn't keep tempo at first, I don't know the source for that so take it with a grain of salt)
@TimEdwards-v8c
21 күн бұрын
The '87 gig in canada?? Super hyper quick...*snort*
@paulpv7
21 күн бұрын
86*
@Oleglord
19 күн бұрын
@@paulpv712/9/1986
@Wind-nj5xz
23 күн бұрын
I'm so used to the original this one sounds wrong
@kiryanov1
17 күн бұрын
There is no point in recording drums and vocals slower (if the drummer and vocalist are able to play and sing in fast tempo). This trick was made only for guitars because this downpicking part is really hard to perform clean and tight.
@sainphony
14 күн бұрын
Nope, drums and vocal sounds weird in MOP too (compare to the rest of the albums songs), coz their pitch is raised
@norbitcleaverhook5040
13 күн бұрын
@@sainphonyNo, it was only the guitars He said so
@PastorOfMuppets74
19 күн бұрын
Damn! That breaks the whole thing down. James shouldn't do that. Has anyone ever heard Royal Republic do Battery? They tear it up cuz. Their bass player stands out. He's a beast
@blupandaxalt
18 күн бұрын
I mean cliff was too
@PastorOfMuppets74
18 күн бұрын
@@blupandaxalt you don't have to tell me. But some of these people have no problem dissing Cliff. On a best Metallica bassist poll him and Jason were neck n neck. I almost shit myself. BTW me saying that about the RR bassist had about as much to do with Cliff as if I said "Have you heard that band do the Mr. Crowley cover? That guitarist is a beast!" and you say "Well Randy Rhoads.....". Wtf man lol. You're f'n with me now 😆 I don't wanna die, especially like Cliff horrifically did, but if you have to die there's way less cool ways than drawing the Ace of Spades for the bunk. That's dying to a boss story at least
@couzin2000
18 күн бұрын
This wasn't JAMES. It was the "Metallica Machine" - the producers and managers and sound engineers. They all decided to put it out on vinyl and tape with that speed, for whatever reason (sometimes, vinyl side timelength constraints, sometimes some anally retentive producer liked it better). So I guarantee you this WASN't James or Lars. It was the record company.
@PastorOfMuppets74
18 күн бұрын
@@couzin2000 You talking to me bro? I guess so. I'm the only one here but I can't ever tell cuz most of my posts get shadow banned. It was a joke bro. I was clowning. I don't care how they made it. When I heard it in 86 it sounded like mountains smashing into ea other. I thought nothing was that heavy. It was my personal experience with the band as a fan. I didn't know shit from shiolah in 86. Makes sense now n I've heard dozens of other bands where I had the same thought...can't get any heavier than this...repeat process But all that explaining you did is appreciated. I think you gave them to me thinking I was ignorant of something but I was clowning about peeking behind the curtain and seeing the wizard but I just called it James to represent a fictional grouping of the band. And when I said breaking it all down...that was a metaphor for smashing this "illusion" of what I thought it was before. Like when Lars is solely blamed for no bass on AJFA...that's BS. Nobody makes a decision like that on their own sneaking into the studio and turning Jason down to nothing. That was a comeback type album with alot riding on it. Dumb decision but it was a group decision. In other words...I ain't as dumb as I look or sound 😆 BTW here's the entire Metallica Machine for MOP The band Metallica : Producers Flemming Rasmussen: Producer and engineer Andy Wroblewski: Assistant engineer Michael Wagener: Mixing engineer Mark Wilzcak: Assistant mixing engineer So it really boils down to the band and another producer and three guys working as mixing and engineers
@couzin2000
16 күн бұрын
@@PastorOfMuppets74 Wow, That's a kotta saliva but not much to say, I don't care whether it was you or some other dude, I said it for the masses, I wanna share my opinion (as we once did) and NO, it was definitely NOT James' idea while he was 21 to actually speed up his song. He had no choice, just like Lars and the rest of the band. They were led into this. Hey, I'm not knocking the move, they made their fortune because of that move. That cemented the album of the @best of all-time@ lists everywhere. They changed the world with it. But it wasn't them. It was The Metallica Machine. Joke all ya want. And PLEASE, stop calling me bro. You're just trolling at this point and it's sad.
@mrpositronia
5 күн бұрын
Lars will try anything in the studio.
@Jayteaseepiirturi
20 күн бұрын
Oh. Okay. That explains a thing or two.
@retrogamingpub3186
19 күн бұрын
Why am I being recommended this?
@Harpuricle
19 күн бұрын
Cause Metallica
@easyskankingdude
19 күн бұрын
you're a 'tallica family, baby!
@luukhoogland1431
19 күн бұрын
Because you'll click on it, even comment on it!
@norbitcleaverhook5040
13 күн бұрын
Maybe God want you to become a producer of the Thrash revival of the 2020s?
@demonicon1
24 күн бұрын
Then they play twice as fast live lol
@bigfig
21 күн бұрын
Yeah, but sloppy and with mistakes.
@CalumCarlyle
19 күн бұрын
This does sound better actually. They should have just put it at this speed on the LP! Luckily my record player has a varispeed slider, so i will just need to leap up and adjust it down when this track comes on!
@raffaeleguido2828
22 күн бұрын
They speeded up just the guitar tracks, not the entire record track.
@devill3177
20 күн бұрын
Watch with subtitles kzitem.info/news/bejne/xa6e2ouYsYeEa2ksi=pioB816FhT5PJYkl They recorded guitars in 140 bpm with A standard tuning
@tunafish648
20 күн бұрын
Then the drums wouldn’t be in time with the guitar. So that makes no sense
@featheryfemme
20 күн бұрын
@@tunafish648 i don't see how that doesn't make sense. drums recorded at tempo, tape slowed, record guitars, tape put back at original speed, everything stays in time.
@ehdrootofbeard4411
20 күн бұрын
@@tunafish648he also said "speeded" so... I think that explains enough 🤣👀
@NPC999
19 күн бұрын
@tunafish648 math is hard. Drums, bass and vocals are recorded at the normal tempo. Guitars are tuned down and recorded at a lower tempo. Guitars are then sped up to correct tuning and tempo.
@maxjohnson9131
5 күн бұрын
Wait so I've been lied to?
@LLF1234
4 күн бұрын
What did they tell you? Remember, they would play it faster than the album during concerts.
@Beezle66
3 күн бұрын
They literally play it 5x as fast live. Corn ball comment
@andtuningforall4957
20 күн бұрын
The original tracks were in D i suppose not Eb, and then sped up
@Grim.Tyrant
19 күн бұрын
I heard somewhere they tuned 40 cents down to compensate. Don’t quote me on that
@andtuningforall4957
19 күн бұрын
@@Grim.Tyrant not the same band. They tuned aprox 19 cents on master, because they set the tuner from 440 to 435hz
@poorigham1708
21 күн бұрын
this fucks with my brain..
@341denis
20 күн бұрын
Звучит даже круче. Оригинальный трек всегда казался немного неестественным.
@ChainsawSlammer1.3.8
16 күн бұрын
Кому как. Не могу терпеть песни Металлики в нижних строях
@sainphony
14 күн бұрын
Что особенно заметно по малому барабану и тонкому завышенному голосу
@projectzed5766
21 күн бұрын
That's why James didn't like his squeaky voice on the early records.
@89kilemal
20 күн бұрын
nah, vocals werent changed
@jeromesimon8916
2 жыл бұрын
So whats the bpm for the actual recorded track?
@mechanixe
2 жыл бұрын
210-220. But Hetfield may play faster than original speed in live. Search in youtube Master of puppets Extremely fast
@alessandro_inno
11 ай бұрын
But wait. So, normal song is 220. This one is 210? Or slower? It's still pretty fast.i'll play it in my house to see if it is noticeable different. I wonder if they did the same for dyers eve and that is why they dont play it l8ve ever
@-The-Darkside
23 күн бұрын
This whole thing was to do with varispeed.
@shmirdonkin
16 күн бұрын
The point then is that you don't get hit with a copyright and can pull 32k views?
@JPX64Channel
9 күн бұрын
some record labels will still allow the video to be online , just not able to monetize.
@zoinkiezz
2 жыл бұрын
Proper heavy
@MrNutz666
Жыл бұрын
This section sounds better in this version 3:47-5:04
@lordgargamel4124
12 күн бұрын
Been listening to this album my entire life. Mostly on cassette. Im thinking it was already slowed down and released. You just already took a slower recording and made it even slower. I still have this cassette Ive had it since i was 7. Im 44 now, a musician and certainly not tone deaf. Im not saying you are wrong about the studio magic and methods therein, Im saying that this aint it.
@handlebar82
12 күн бұрын
It's more likely that the same cassette tape you've been listening to nearly 40 years has become deformed and stretched out over the years. This sounds different to the CD and streaming version to me, but I've only been listening, and trying to play along to it for 30 years.
@jeremymozlin
23 күн бұрын
This sounds great! I had no idea they did this. I would love to hear you give the same treatment to "The Thing That Should Not Be," which I've now read was also recorded a half-step down in Db!
@roughguitarcovers
22 күн бұрын
It’s in D standard but slightly out. Some use dropped D but if you watch it live it’s the traditional chord shapes… and sometimes in C#/Db.
@JustSeby
22 күн бұрын
@@roughguitarcoverslive in Seattle '89 is in Db iirc
@CosmicIsStoned
22 күн бұрын
@JustSeby ehhhh, after comparing Seattle 89 and the Record back to back, the tuning sounds pretty much the same. I'm pretty sure it's in D Standard. I'll play along with Seattle 89 in both Db and D to make sure.
@WitheredRoseMusic
21 күн бұрын
@@CosmicIsStoned They've always played "Thing" live in Db, a half-step below the album version. Even as far back as 1986! If I had to guess, the high vocal notes during the verses may have just been slightly out of James's comfort zone, so they brought it down for the live shows. If not that, then maybe they just felt the song sounded heavier that way lmao
@CosmicIsStoned
21 күн бұрын
@WitheredRoseMusic Yup. After trying to play with the show, it's definitely Db. Personally, I think I prefer playing it in D, but it's a kickass song either way.
@jamesharmon7733
20 күн бұрын
So Master of Puppets was sped up. Alive! was heavily edited in post. Who cares? They’re great records and rock and metal wouldn’t be the same without them.
@norbitcleaverhook5040
13 күн бұрын
No one is complaining .it was an oldschool trick to make the guitars sound tighter in the tone. Downtuned a touch and sped up slightly to clean up the sound.
@Akyuu2608
10 күн бұрын
Why are there so many people like you always trying to find some reason to go "who cares" "so what" and whatever else.
@TheAbnormalShrimpOfficial
23 күн бұрын
Sounds like the live version now.
@viniciusamorim237
19 күн бұрын
No, they play it faster in live
@TheAbnormalShrimpOfficial
19 күн бұрын
@@viniciusamorim237 Now, not in 1986, They don't play it that fast anymore.
@TheAbnormalShrimpOfficial
19 күн бұрын
@viniciusamorim237 I was mainly referring to the pitch, They have slowed down since 1986-1989 though.
@continuum288
22 күн бұрын
Please cite your source.
@Akyuu2608
21 күн бұрын
Search interviews with the producer for info on the guitars being recorded slower
@OlviMasta77
21 күн бұрын
It was very common in the age before Pro Tools. Tool still used this method on their album from the 00's.
@89kilemal
20 күн бұрын
*cite
@continuum288
19 күн бұрын
@@89kilemal thanks
@89kilemal
19 күн бұрын
@@continuum288 welcome x
@ShockwaveZero
Жыл бұрын
how does it being turned a half step down equate to 5% slower? as in how did you calculate that?
@bassistguy
Жыл бұрын
Using Audacity, 5% pitch change equates to a half step in tuning. So, negative 5% is how I got it to half step down. I did a negative 5% tempo change, so it slowed it down as well, which is opposite of how they did it in the studio.
@reidlingtheseedling
Жыл бұрын
Notes in 12 tone music are separated by 2^1/12, or about 1.059, since pitch is an exponential function note * 2^n/12, n being the number of notes from the note of reference. 12 notes makes 2 to the 1st power, making it 2 times the root note, and this is why every octave is double the hz. One might think that this pitch increase would be 1/12 the speed, or 8.3%, but only cents work like this in music, which are adjusted by a logarithmic scale, since pitch changes by an exponential function, not linear.
@ShockwaveZero
Жыл бұрын
@@reidlingtheseedling This is an amazing answer. Thank you. Are you an audio engineer? I wonder if there is a technology to "match" or ever will be, to match the exponential/ linear functions. But then again I can't really see that having any real use?
@sixsledges5474
Жыл бұрын
@@reidlingtheseedlingbro I am playing guitar because I suck at maths cmon don’t do me like that 😢
@TheFruitMugger
Жыл бұрын
@@ShockwaveZero I think you'd get a lot out of just messing around with the pitch and tempo shift functions in Audacity (a free audio program). There are options to slow down and speed up based on both percent and desired pitch change - not to mention every other feature. Just a remarkably capable program.
@Bstonz85
2 жыл бұрын
So it’s only slightly faster. You can barely tell.
@bassistguy
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, which is probably why they pushed forward with this. Plus, the average listener probably would listen to this and couldn't tell it was different.
@lethargicastengah572
2 жыл бұрын
@@bassistguy I think they used the same procedure for songs like For Whom The Bell Tolls, Creeping Death, and One
@jakefriesenjake
Жыл бұрын
I believe that they also detuned everything to accomplish this. Don't think that they had the technology to only increase the speed. I think it was recorded only to tape or record. Hell, even the black album was recorded to tape.
@bassistguy
Жыл бұрын
@@jakefriesenjake yes sir. They tuned a half step down (same tuning they use today when they play live).
@SPNKr16
Жыл бұрын
@@bassistguy The finished product is in 435 Hz. The rest of the album is in 440. Actually I'll paste a nugget of a reddit comment that I've saved to my account for many years. A guy A-B tested all their songs with a tuner pitched to A440, he's a guitarist and I am too. Have been fascinated with musical pitch etc my whole life. " _I check most songs with a tuner and this is what I found KEA -RTL (442-444) MOP(435) AJFA (444 only for One) Black (440-441) I'm gonna guess that maybe tape delay for most of them but MOP stands out for whatever reason._ " And then I quoted him and responded to another relaying this information with " _I can verify this because I've tried it out myself._ _MOP title track is definitely in 435, must be a deliberate detune, whereas Welcome Home is 440 for eg._ _The rest of RTL besides Creeping and Bellz should be in 442._ _Those 2 songs are even higher. In the stems the songs are in their original speed aka 440._ " Calculating your info coupled with the research we have the following figures: 415.305 Hz to 435 Hz equals 4.742% 415.305 Hz to 440 Hz equals 5.946% _____________________________5.344% average speed increase (maybe for the entire MoP album) _______________________________-5.613% equals 440 Hz down to 415.305 Hz. This is the speed you slow down perfect 440 Hz tracks. _______________________________-4.528% equals 435 Hz down to 415.305 Hz which is what you use on the original Master of Puppets track. It's no wonder every debut album sounds like it was recorded by teens, then magically 1-2 years later they have their best work AND sound. Every band was like this. Slayer finally begun to nail it on Hell Awaits, and then their matured bruteforce Reign in Blood came about 1.5 years after that. I know people physically mature since the thrash scene was only formed, driven and partaken by teens and early adults but this studio trick must have been a recording secret for the longest time. Put both together and you have the difference between Belladonna's first album with Anthrax and Among the Living.
@childrenofkoris
20 күн бұрын
and i thought they actually played like real thrash metal 😢
@agrofindastation
20 күн бұрын
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@yearginclarke
19 күн бұрын
@@agrofindastation When I read the op comment, THAT performance was the first thought that came to my mind.
@goremall
20 күн бұрын
Barely and I mean BARELY noticeable tempo difference.
@lerquian1970
19 күн бұрын
Idk it's very clear to me lol, this sound like they're just playing while sitting and chilling
@DaShirtBoy1
19 күн бұрын
Tell me you don't play guitar, without telling me you don't play guitar.
@lerquian1970
19 күн бұрын
@@DaShirtBoy1 how
@DaShirtBoy1
19 күн бұрын
@@lerquian1970 because if you’ve either played or tried to play Master of Puppets on guitar, you would know this is significantly slowed down. You can’t say, as a guitarist, “this sounds barely noticeably different”. It doesn’t. You’re wrong.
@lerquian1970
19 күн бұрын
@@DaShirtBoy1 oh sorry, I thought the comment was for me lol, yes you're correct
@whatarefriends4
19 күн бұрын
All I know is I flipped my shit hearing that record. Unfortunately the wandered off that course
@amartious2123
18 күн бұрын
Not sure about this. What are your sources? I mean, they play it live faster than on the record.
@steveschu
18 күн бұрын
No it was recorded at a lower tuning then the tape was sped up. Vocals were recorded last at regular speed and assembled together in final mix.
@chasemartin5373
18 күн бұрын
This is common knowledge that they sped it up on the record. No one said they didn’t play it live at the same speed but they did speed it up for the record
@Gabriel_Garcia9000
18 күн бұрын
The guitars were layered when they were recorded, and playing slow essentially just gave them insurance that it would sound clean when layered over each other. Obviously they can play it live at the correct tempo, and can play it even faster if they wanted to; this was just to ensure a crisp sound recording with the analog equipment they were using.
@GreatBurningNullifier
17 күн бұрын
Old bands used studio tricks too, for any one with a bit of audio production knowledge its more than obvious that there was some trickery going on with the tightness of those guitars.
@igorrodrigues7382
17 күн бұрын
This info has been told by many people who know about production. It's was never a matter of musical limitations, just about sounding tigher.
@pasha7324
22 күн бұрын
Ironically this is the *tune* the song has been played live in the past 30 years !!!1
@PetriJuuhansson-wh4zp
21 күн бұрын
Tune? You mean tempo?
@MotorGoblin
21 күн бұрын
@@PetriJuuhansson-wh4zp Tuning.
@erickherrera9223
20 күн бұрын
@@PetriJuuhansson-wh4zp Yes, tuning, since James can´t hit the highest notes whit his voice they lowered the tuning to allow James to reach those notes.
@cgsaint
20 күн бұрын
is boring, more speed please
@iau
4 күн бұрын
God forbid musicians have any fun and creativity when recording music
@EdEddnEddyMercury
16 сағат бұрын
What?
@trialsofapathy
18 күн бұрын
Explains the down picking
@amartious2123
18 күн бұрын
But they do it live faster than the record version?
@themagiciansnephew5731
18 күн бұрын
@@amartious2123 yes, they do. They even play it faster than the "actual" studio version, go check "master of puppets Seattle 1989" and of course, i can confirm it's true cause i saw them live this year and they still play it that fast
@Gabriel_Garcia9000
18 күн бұрын
It's pretty easy to downpick for hours live when you've got enough alcohol in your gut to drown a child and enough cocaine in your system give a horse a heart attack 😂 I'm surprised they survived the 90s
@GreatBurningNullifier
17 күн бұрын
@@amartious2123 Faster but sloppier. Don't be such a fanboy.
@TheSteFanden
17 күн бұрын
@@amartious2123 Even I can downpick this entire song; it's not very hard; it's only in 212BMP and there are a lot of breaks in the music, where James doesn't play every eighth note.
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