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@bruhsto1111
Ай бұрын
Have you reacted to the terminator movies yet? If not, then you should totally do so!
@Kiraiko44
Ай бұрын
But almost all ya'll talked about was Billy...
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@SpartanandPudgey did you notice Max was there? I thought you were, as always, blinded by your loss of Billy the Bully. Your obsession with him is the real Stranger Thing here!
@joshbliss3620
Ай бұрын
Spartan, Pudgey.... Seriously you guys just get better and better. I'm so pumped for your star wars reactions.
@annmariemills1554
Ай бұрын
I believe Max was in a trance the whole time at with her mom. That whole interaction was Vecna.😊
@bobbiop785
Ай бұрын
Max's scene at the end was so powerful, it wasn't only about escaping Vecna, it was her deciding to choose life over death. She was quite literally out running her depression.
@comeatmebro8120
Ай бұрын
“But did you see when Billy did the Billy thing and Billy’d his Billy?” - Spartan, probably
@Hollygli
Ай бұрын
@@bobbiop785 soooo powerful. Exactly. Take the monster piece out and look at it as someone facing their demons in depression: she was at the bottom of the abyss. And with thoughts of suicide hammering away at her, she made a choice. She chose life and had to fight with every fiber of her being to not give into a depression induced suicide. To fight for life. The way her friends were fighting for her and cradled her when finally came back to them... It's so beautiful.
@laiiinicole
Ай бұрын
exactly but it seems like they’re ignorant to that topic in this show so I doubt they even made that connection w the song and her depression
@metallol5337
Ай бұрын
Facing her trauma, it’s actually done so well. It’s making me teary eyed even with the reaction being a filter
@cydneirogers9226
17 күн бұрын
@@comeatmebro8120lmaoo frr idk why they miss billy so much like he did sacrifice himself them and stuff but are we forgetting how much of a racist person he was
@EchanteDante
Ай бұрын
Notice Billy wasn’t in Max’s happy memories.
@LightsOut25KP
Ай бұрын
This the one 💀
@3verestrr
Ай бұрын
!!!
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@EchanteDante but he will be forever in Spartan's happy memories...and sad memories...and funny memories...and scary memories...and romantic memories....🙄
@xxhopexx2002
10 күн бұрын
@@susannarierafacts 🙄😂
@ArcRogerr
Ай бұрын
Vecna had no reason to rush. He was playing with his food. As far as he was aware, Max had no way of getting out.
@yashurishi549
Ай бұрын
and yet he does it again the next time
@pee-buddy
Ай бұрын
It is a little more than that. As I am sure you are aware there is a purpose for his killings, so he needs his victims to be at the peak of their emotions for his designs to work.
@pfang32
Ай бұрын
@yashurishi549 it's an 80s horror movie trope. Done purposefully and for the story. To me it doesnt detract because it is purposeful. But to each his own
@nooneofconsequence1251
Ай бұрын
He ought to know. His father escaped the same way. I think when he's working remotely he has to break down his victims psychologically before he can kill them; get them to completely give up and accept their fate.
@vannthybun2546
Ай бұрын
Vecna knows he will win, it’s that simple
@shyama.x
Ай бұрын
The Vecna scene was not meant to be a scary scene for the audience, it’s supposed to be emotional. it was meant to be mentally torturous for Max as vecna was in HER head. Plus the song itself is symbolic of Max’s situation, and it works perfectly for the scene.
@laiiinicole
Ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!!! they expecting to be scared out their boots when it’s not even supposed to be scary
@maxducoudray
Ай бұрын
Although technically she was in Vecna's head, which is a pretty important story point and Spartan picked up on Vecna's surprise that Max manifested inside his reality.
@ridleysaria
Ай бұрын
Interesting that music played a part in escaping from Vecna. Made me realize that "Should I Stay or Should I Go" might be what helped Will survive the Upside Down for so long.
@soggynugz
Ай бұрын
Oouuuu could be!
@kingkev6407
Ай бұрын
YEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
@laiiinicole
Ай бұрын
@@soggynugzit is he was literally singing it when he was hiding in castle byers
@Youtubintheuser
Ай бұрын
Season 5 will start with that song.
@Kiraiko44
Ай бұрын
The reason people are upset is because a lot of us had a very strong emotional reaction to this episode, i think a lot of people can relate to Max's struggle with her mental health after an already pretty rough life and a very traumatic event. And Spartan and Pudgey barely seemed to register any of that because all they cared about was Billy, who is one of the sources of Max's trauma but they (and especially Spartan) don't care about that because they just hero worship Billy. One good act at the end of your life does not erase all the bad things you've done, and it doesn't invalidate the pain you've caused in others. Billy is a character to sympathize with to understand how people's environments shape them, but he's not to be hero worshipped.
@no_thankyouverymuch
13 күн бұрын
Nah max and her depression who? We only know our poor poor Billy on this channel (spartan & pudgey fr fr)
@emmanuelare9576
Ай бұрын
Spartan's obssession with Billy needs to be studied
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@emmanuelare9576 they should get a room.
@TonyPrince-gd3vo
Ай бұрын
@@emmanuelare9576 Pudgey is just as bad.
@Atlasss97
Ай бұрын
Man crush
@whoeveriwant9266
Ай бұрын
Vecna took his time with Chrissy and Fred too. It wasn't different with Max. He just didn't think anyone could escape him so he doesn't rush
@michaelklaus
Ай бұрын
oh he does take some time here; he is pretty much getting into an argument to begin with
@brandonh4195
Ай бұрын
@@michaelklausyeah like how chrissy had all those scenes with her mother/father in the house before she died, and Fred was running through the woods away from loads of corpses; Vecna always takes his time.
@michaelklaus
Ай бұрын
@@brandonh4195 Okay let us put this spoiler shiled up here for those who ahve not finished the season. ... yes, he basically rushes in her to debate whether or not Max still is angy and sad about Billy's death because she has apparently found closure ont hat topic; we only learn later that Henry uses these emotions to fuel his powers and that his victims stay with him and make him stronger; which means the whole curse is only about nurturing these feelings to create and stabilize the gates; so Max surprisingly escapes and he cannot go after her... until she decides to let these feelings back in to lure him inot their trap; and then he kills her; so yeah... he was rushing it here, but then he played the long game and got her in the end
@wallkidstv
Ай бұрын
@@michaelklausfor Fred he took so long it went from the sun shining to being dark out by the time Fred actually died on the street. This is much shorter by comparison.
@okyeawtf
Ай бұрын
At this point these two and Billy just need to get a room and get it over with 😅
@maxvickrey4357
Ай бұрын
Haha no doubt like I understand max grieving over billy but honestly in every scene we got billy in besides the very end when he does finally redeem himself a bit and sacrifice himself he was literally a psychopath and a racist and in general just an overall not good person and definitely not a good big brother Like y'all acting like if Billy didn't die he just suddenly have become a great person and a stand up citizen but honestly I seriously doubt that maybe if he had the self sacrifice moment and some how lived he be a better person but even than Billy would need a lot of major therapy and reflection to become a decent person and even than I have trouble imagining that actually happening...
@spazzout1k350
Ай бұрын
😂😂
@bradcarver8127
Ай бұрын
Spartan would definitely let Billy cuck him
@Mizreg
Ай бұрын
That Max escape scene with the Kate Bush music hit me harder than any other scene in this show
@zardify_
Ай бұрын
Yeah... same.
@TheChiraagG
Ай бұрын
Yeah I enjoyed the rest of the season but this is my favourite episode from all the seasons so far.
@natashajacksonmusic
Ай бұрын
The Kate Bush song remixed with the Stranger Things theme music in the second half of this season is permanently burned into my brain. Chills every time 🔥
@angie-tq4ew
Ай бұрын
Yes.
@magicbrownie1357
Ай бұрын
Kate Bush has saved more lives than just Max's.
@troma760
Ай бұрын
Woosh lol. Arguably the episode with one of the best scenes in the entire show and you miss the point entirely. I guess it makes sense if you (for reasons beyond me) sympathize with Billy as much as you do. This season beautifully explores mental health but the subtext appears to be going over your heads.
@ryancook3257
Ай бұрын
This was THE reaction i was waiting for since the beginning of the series and ive never been so utterly disappointed in a video from you guys. Still giving my support, but im just being honest as a long time viewer of your content.
@JamieNeill
Ай бұрын
Same. It really blew the audience away at the time, & raised the bar for ST, showcasing other characters, touching on deeper themes & keeping us on the edge. And it wasn’t really appreciated.
@adins5725
Ай бұрын
I really dont understand their love for billy😂, i don't think anyone even thought about billy during the graveyard scene, and probably even the writers/director intended for us to empathize with max for what she has gone through more than anything else, this hero worshipping is just getting too far😂. I hope we don't hear a lot about Billy in the future episodes. I feel like these guys are only perfect for fantasy/anime shows, rather than shows like this.Probably the last stranger things reaction i am watching from this channel, can't quite understand/connect with their reactions.
@vilmavanninen6950
Ай бұрын
🙄🤦
@spazzout1k350
Ай бұрын
😂😂
@jolanas.5426
Ай бұрын
I just think they have lower emotional intelligence and comprehension skills.
@Sapoflorista
Ай бұрын
the song literally made Max's scene so much better what is Spartan talking about?? 😭😭
@julesb1970
Ай бұрын
Exactly, it was amazing and the song just made it so much more! ❤
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
He's just aggravating at this point, almost feels intentional. Anyone does anything: "...oh but Billy!"
@TonyPrince-gd3vo
Ай бұрын
@@Sapoflorista He said Lucas became the joke of the season because he wasn't up to par with the gang about the murders, it's 4 episodes.
@canucksandbb
Ай бұрын
@@TheJerbolthe dude refers to himself as king spartan and your suprised haha
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
@@canucksandbb not surprised at all
@davidmunro546
Ай бұрын
Dacre played Billy well for 2 seasons, but Billy was a PoS for all but 20 minutes of those 2 seasons. He died heroically but he was no hero. As someone who has dealt with depression for years, this episode always hits me hard.
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
Spartan's legit getting weird about it. Man was the definition of toxic trash, now he can't go 10 minutes without mentioning him
@johnsmooth1229
Ай бұрын
Spartan's man crush on Billy causing him to think Billy could just "beat up" Vecna is insane riding.
@bbwayne11
Ай бұрын
I like Spartan and believe he has a good heart. Some of the people he simps too make me cringe though. Like genuinely not good characters that exude masculinity, it's twisted.
@rickthatmorty2338
Ай бұрын
@@bbwayne11this sounds like the most back handed compliment ever.Let the man live without judgement
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@bbwayne11 The way he dismissed Bob until almost his last moments....Bob, who was always sweet and nice, but he adores Billy the Bully 🤷🏻♀️
@TrickoTreatz
Ай бұрын
@@bbwayne11Toxic masculinity specifically
@comeatmebro8120
Ай бұрын
@@bbwayne11 Billy is a great character, but not a good person. There’s a difference
@chrisbrooker7260
Ай бұрын
No rational person expects everyone to have exactly the same views on something, but there are occasions when a reaction is so far off the mark that it’s really jarring. This episode is about Max, about depression/mental health and confronting it, about fighting your demons, about Sadie Sink’s acting, about Kate Bush, about the Duffer Brothers brilliant juxtaposing of Running Up That Hill with Max’s (literal and metaphorical) struggle to escape. (It’s also a little bit about Robert Englund) And, you completely missed all of that and focused on Billy. Now don’t get me wrong he was a really well-acted and quite engaging bad guy with a pretty good partial redemption. But he was meant to be a bad guy, and is not the focus of the show - aside from his role in Max’s struggle. This episode meant a lot to a lot of people because of its main themes and I think you’ve really missed the mark and disappointed many here. It also makes me feel less inclined to watch future reactions given what’s going to happen…. Also, to underplay the threat of Vecna, a brilliant villain, is really odd. And Spartan needs to get over this simping for every alpha male or ‘warrior’ type, and total discounting of characters who don’t conform to that - Max, Robyn, Nancy, Bob etc
@unrelatedcoma
Ай бұрын
the door is over there. nobody needs the announcement when you leave.
@panda4859
Ай бұрын
Most people watch the show and move on with their life, nobody sits in their home like a nerd analysing this shit. I mean it's great a message, if you get it then you get it and if you don't then you don't
@lornamaker3312
Ай бұрын
Billy was a hero for 5 minutes and an asshole the rest of his life. This is Max’s moment not Billy’s.😡
@VincentSimone-rp1pi
Ай бұрын
Max completely stole the show this season, hands down no questions asked, and nobody even came close to being as good as she was. One thing that upsets me about your reaction is when we get to Max’s best scene you guys just make it all about Billy when it is not. This scene was not only about Max defeating Vecna but it was also a metaphor for depression. This scene was just so powerful and you guys blew right past it. This scene was about MAX and not Billy I understand that you guys might like Billy for saving El, but that was only one scene, and just seconds before he died. If El had never brought back those memories to Billy he would have had her killed. And I’m sorry, but in my opinion, Billy will never be close to any of the other characters. 99% of the show he was rude, abusive, racist and controlling, and idk why you guys like him so much. He was always rude to Max, Steve, and Lucas and just because of one scene now he is one of the best characters? i think not. I understand his dad was the same to him, but that doesn’t mean you should be like that towards other people. I will never feel the way you guys feel about Billy. And I really love you guys and you have great reactions, but these are just my thoughts on this
@thelooker5476
Ай бұрын
“Billy would beat the sh*t out of Vecna” spartan is DOWNN BADD for Billy what a crazy thing to say honestly
@blinkachu5275
Ай бұрын
This episode really hurts for me as it so perfectly symbolizes depression. The pushing other people away, the inability to remember the good memories, the acceptance that it's not gonna get better anyway... but then also at the end the fight to survive, the feelings your friends/family give you I been there, and it's hard
@Hollygli
Ай бұрын
I think that's why it impacted so many people. So many of us could empathize. I cried a flood of tears. I love how they handled it and I loved the creators for addressing depression and doing it in a way that is respectful, beautiful AND congruent with the show. It's believable that they'd have trauma and so unbelievable that they're all giggles most of the time.
@EchanteDante
Ай бұрын
Yeah and notice how not one of those flash back happy memories included Billy. And thank god. Because this episode WAS NOT ABOUT BILLY…AT ALL!!
@Kiraiko44
Ай бұрын
I think Vecna is a great representation of things like depression, anxiety, shame, su*cidal feelings/ideation, etc. I was struggling with some of those very badly when this episode came out, I remember sobbing afterwards because I identify so much with Max (her family background is even kind of like mine) and just feeling so much. After that, for a while, when all that bullshit would start welling up I would remember Max fighting back, grabbing Vecna and ripping off a part of him, escaping back to her friends, I'd imagine I was her and I was fighting it off and making it back to the light. It helped a lot. I haven't felt the need to do that in a good while thankfully, but this episode still gets to me every time
@meg8002
Ай бұрын
I actually laughed out loud at the "nice memories that they had together" comment. Max and Billy nice memories?! lol I swear you guys watched a different show or got amnesia and don't remember season 2 at all. The undeserved Billy praise is too much. Let him go.
@ArcRogerr
Ай бұрын
Right? Like are the "nice memories" in the room with us now? 😂
@pannonia77
Ай бұрын
I don't think it was just the music to make Max escape. When the boys put the headphones on Max, the music opened a little window where she could see the real world. And finally Max remembered the good, happy memories, the Trick or Treating in Season 2 (well, so it meant so much for her!!), the Snow Ball with Lucas, the happy trip to the Mall with El, all this gave her the strength to escape.
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@pannonia77 right...and Billy wasn't on any of these happy memories...🙄
@RabbitWhiteThe
Ай бұрын
Honestly... I've backed you guys all the way with the Billy support... but this moment had everyone, LITERALLY, shouting at their screens in support of Max... max was the hero where Billy never stood up to the task until the very end... you guys need to get off this Billy hype. Also, Vecna took his time with all his victims. Vecna only kills people when they choose to give into him. Max runs away so Vecna doesn't chase her.
@MooseCrossing262
Ай бұрын
One of the greatest moments in modern tv history and Spartan is like “meh, wasn’t feeling it” 🙄
@rexibhazoboa7097
Ай бұрын
Would you rather he react dishonestly?
@MooseCrossing262
Ай бұрын
@@rexibhazoboa7097any reaction at all would have been great. But generally it seems he lacks the emotional capacity to process these more intricate moments in shows.
@emilygisclair
Ай бұрын
yeah like wtf lol
@Cardioligist
Ай бұрын
@@MooseCrossing262eh he makes a good point. He did have a reaction it just wasnt the one you wanted. This was personally top 3 episode for me but heg not everyones gonna feel that way
@Kiki-xs1iw
Ай бұрын
God forbid anyone act differently to you
@j9lorna
Ай бұрын
And THAT was the scene that had people screaming at their screens not very long ago. It hit a lot of people. And made Kate Bush a shit ton of money!
@magicbrownie1357
Ай бұрын
I've been waiting since the 80's for Kate to finally get her due. Thank God for the Duffner Bros.
@j9lorna
Ай бұрын
@@magicbrownie1357 I just know that something good was gonna happen
@Exe3D
Ай бұрын
Crazy how i was literally just saying this. I never scream at my screen or stand up while watching a show but this scene had me yelling for a fictional character to runnnnnnn.
@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776
Ай бұрын
@@magicbrownie1357You’re so real for this
@Kastureeee661
Ай бұрын
Guys this episode was about Max and her arc and her outrunning her depression pleaseeeee stop making everything about Billy. He just had a really shitty abusive father but overall he was the worst brother to Max
@tidepride86
Ай бұрын
Everyone deserves redemption. Even Billy Willy.
@fredwin
Ай бұрын
Again, I'd honestly like to help you all out here. Please consider how pathetic it is to lower yourself to begging. All for what? A stranger's reaction to a fictional character? Like seriously channel that energy and emotion into something even remotely worthwhile.
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
@@tidepride86 Man did literally _one_ good thing and the glazing is unending
@josceola8979
Ай бұрын
@@fredwin lol
@Kiraiko44
Ай бұрын
@@fredwin go take a shot and remove the stick from your butt
@princesspeach729
Ай бұрын
As the survivor of an abuser, Billy is not a decent human. The cycle of abuse generally does continue but the narcissistic evil ones continue the cycle of abusing others, those of us who have half decent hearts continue to abuse ourselves in self sabotage which takes many forms. What Max had was yearning. And yes, she probably was relieved when Billy died and she was carrying guilt. It messes with your head when you wish death upon another human in order to stop being abused. You worry you are as bad as they are if that's the intrusive thought that entered your head. This is the story of Max's strength and pain, not Billys perceived personality transplant.
@zz-jones
Ай бұрын
Totally agree. It's hard watching Billy experience abuse from his father and it's tragic, but he was so scary in season 2 and he doesn't get a pass because of his trauma. I've experienced an older sibling like him and know how terrifying they are, especially when alone with them. So yeah, Max definitely would have felt relieved when he died and it's completely valid. I don't understand the love for the character, each to their own, though he is interesting to watch and a good antagonist for the series
@erika5763
Ай бұрын
This!!! When my dad died I felt a bit like Max. I wasn't mourning the relationship we had, but mourning what it COULD have been.
@AddsWatches
Ай бұрын
Did they completely dismiss how Billy was racist to Lucas and was a horrible person to Max and everyone like 95% of the time? I just don't get how they love him that much. He was abused by his father but that doesn't justify him becoming an abuser himself, coming from someone who was raised in that kind of environment I just don't get it.
@KauanFelipe-px1qq
Ай бұрын
@@AddsWatchesthey said but you guys simple ignore.
@KauanFelipe-px1qq
Ай бұрын
@@AddsWatchesAnd they like him because he is a well-developed and written character, arguably the best of season 3
@saltypotion
Ай бұрын
This episode may be titled “Dear Billy” but it's about MAX. I find it concerning that ur giving so much hype and love to Billy when overall... he was not a good person. Everyone in the comments here acknowledges and sympathizes with the fact he was abused growing up - but it does not excuse his own abusive actions, the bulk of which were targeted at Max. The way ya’ll sweep his problematic behaviour under the rug because of one good, heroic thing he did is worrying. Max has every right to have felt a sense of relief when Billy died even if she WANTED to love him and be loved by him. This Billy worship is sooo disconcerting sorry not sorry
@Marcus_1001
Ай бұрын
Spartan's obsessive man crush on Billy is WILD and also a little disturbing. Like, honestly, exactly WHAT did Billy do to garner all this love and praise?? Explain it to me like I'm 5 and learning disabled. Billy was an obnoxious, violent a-hole and dude talks about him like he's the motherf**king messiah. It's crazy.
@nellisus
Ай бұрын
The Billy obsession is so strange like guys come on this was about Max 😭
@recrex1960
Ай бұрын
real
@leonardojrod
Ай бұрын
and Billy was never a good person!!! I think they focused on his tragic history, and forgot the rest of his life
@eryvne
29 күн бұрын
@@sirdoobiehowzer3888 no, its just calling out their weird behaviour?? worshipping and glazing a terrible person isnt normal
@recrex1960
Ай бұрын
This was a hard watch, he mentioned billy almost every scene even though this episode is about Max. Billy is dead and that’s that. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
@teteu9534
Ай бұрын
I was waiting so much for this episode, but your reactions to Max's scene was like 😐 while the whole world was crazy about it at the time 😭
@aoitishjyat.neelam2199
Ай бұрын
Exactly, like this was really a powerful ep and since Max is one of the main characters we really needed a longer screentime with vecna here and it was disappointing when their reactions were so bland to all of it, crazy how THIS song slightly reminded spartan of dustin and suzie's song like what- 🙂
@cosmo588
Ай бұрын
Everyone collectively cried a sigh of relief when Max fell to the ground lol
@teteu9534
Ай бұрын
@@aoitishjyat.neelam2199 ikr i don't get it why they don't give a shit about her, it's like top 3 characters for most of ppl, since people got annoyed by Mike and some other chatacters
@teteu9534
Ай бұрын
@@cosmo588 😭😭 ik, that was THE expericence
@KauanFelipe-px1qq
Ай бұрын
No one is forced to react like you, okay? I love Max but I didn't have a tension reaction or anything like that in the scene, I was just anxious, but I knew she wouldn't die
@chris10toochill3
Ай бұрын
I think the real problem that we're (the viewers of S and P) is that they (mainly Spartan specifically) do not like Max enough to care about what really happens to her and her arc. For example: Me personally, if Billy had had an emotional scene identical to this one where he remembered his happy memories and escaped death using his favorite song, I wouldn't really care much what happened to him. I wouldn't be on the edge of seat praying he survives like I was for Max. You've gotta care about Max enough to truly enjoy and connect with this scene. And obviously everyone is entitled to their own personal true reaction and can react how they want to because it's their reaction. We can't force them to care about Max much as we did. Obviously. But yeah the Billy obsession is getting a little out of hand considering this really wasn't even about him. It's almost like you guys are hindering yourselves from enjoying season 4 by not letting Billy go.
@EchanteDante
Ай бұрын
Ruining Billy? I think he sort of did that to himself lol
@leonardojrod
Ай бұрын
Exactly!!!
@FLQueerLiberal1982
Ай бұрын
The reason Max and Billy's family moved to Hawkins is covered in an official Stranger Things young adult novel, Runaway Max, it's revealed that Max was opposed to her mother's new marriage because of Neil's abusive behavior, so she kept running away to her father. So they moved to Hawkins for a "fresh start".
@babs3241
Ай бұрын
I'm not sure they're sticking with the novels, though. Her attitude toward her father here seems less affectionate than it was in the novel. I suspect the showrunners want to maintain their freedom and not be boxed in by the tie-ins.
@taylorludwig32
Ай бұрын
Spartan: "Billy would kick Vecnas ass!" Everybody else: Um, no. He quite literally didn't. Vecna actually acknowledges how much stronger Max is than her brother............so, yeah. Billy already got his ass beat by Vecna and lost his life because of it!
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
Spartan will not hop off of Billy's D
@Cardioligist
Ай бұрын
He was being sarcastic. Obviously a supernatural interdimensional being isnt gonna die to a regular dude
@taylorludwig32
Ай бұрын
@Cardioligist he wasnt being sarcastic though. His simping for Billy is very obvious to us all. It's ok. It's his opinion and feelings. I just felt that him saying Billy would kick Vecnas ass was ridiculous and needed to be called out!
@Cardioligist
Ай бұрын
@@taylorludwig32 Yes hes simping but thats the whole point of the joke, hes insinuating billy would “kick vecnas ass” which is obviously not true. Its called sarcasm! Thats the literal definition
@taylorludwig32
Ай бұрын
@Cardioligist you should do some more studying on what ACTUAL sarcasm means. Because that ain't it fam!
@comeatmebro8120
Ай бұрын
*Max being mentally tortured by visions of Billy and minutes away from death* Spartan: Aw man, they’re ruining Billy!
@SpartanandPudgey
Ай бұрын
🤣🤣
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
@@SpartanandPudgey not a compliment
@wtfdaav
Ай бұрын
@@SpartanandPudgeythis is not supposed to be funny..
@chrisbrooker7260
Ай бұрын
@@SpartanandPudgeyAnd this response shows how little you actually understand this show or what people are saying about your poor, misplaced reaction
@tbtb771
Ай бұрын
@@wtfdaav you guys are insufferable, go patronise someone else
@jiminshii9683
Ай бұрын
I always love to see you guys react to Stranger Things, but this reaction bothered me a bit. This was supposed to be about Max, not about Billy at all. When Vecna was talking to Max as Billy he was telling the truth. Max feels guilty because she wanted Billy dead. Vecna does not lie to torture her, he tortures her with the truth. A truth she does not wanna accept, which causes her not to open up to her friends or anybody else. Him being abused explains why he is who he is, it doesn't excuse it. He is a racist and an abuser himself, don't forget that.
@TheCheekyhalfling
Ай бұрын
What the hell is this obsession with billy? 😂
@srichardf
Ай бұрын
Even before being possessed by the Mind Flayer Billy wasn't a good person. Sure he was abused by his father but he started abusing Max in turn continuing that cycle of abuse. He didn't like Lucas just based on the fact that Lucas was black because if you recall he never had even a single conversation with Lucas.
@Binkute95
Ай бұрын
their obsession with Billy is one of the things that science cannot explain, they rank him over Jon Snow, Tyrion, Walter White, Jesse, Hank, Mike... like what? he tried to run over Lucas just because he's black
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
Bob, don't forget about Bob, the nicest man, so sweet and good to everyone who also sacrificed himself. But I guess he wasn't manly enough for them.
@vilmavanninen6950
Ай бұрын
But is he worse than Vecna? Hm?
@spazzout1k350
Ай бұрын
@@vilmavanninen6950who said he was gang 😂
@Mateocabrera2389
Ай бұрын
I love ya’ll but I had the biggest eye roll when what essentially was Max’s best scene in the whole series and you guys make it all about Billy. Max’s character arc this season completely destroys Billy’s in comparison.
@Shad0wmoses
Ай бұрын
lol at this point do the other characters need any development? they aren't billy so theyve already lost.
@TonyPrince-gd3vo
Ай бұрын
@@Shad0wmoses I like Billy cause he's well written but they seem to love him for him, as the racist he was.
@Daadddyyy
Ай бұрын
If they give Max a hard time in the finale with the scene saying she wished for Billy’s death then I’m going to get angry 😤
@salvadormartinez8577
Ай бұрын
@@DaadddyyyOh boy. I’m on their Patreon and… oh boy. That’s all I’ll say.
@polina_fp
Ай бұрын
@@salvadormartinez8577oh no😳
@jeromedutil-martin6823
Ай бұрын
This season has a lot of inspiration from "A Nightmare On Elm Street", where Freddy Krueger kills teens in their sleep, making them die in real life. (Christie's death resemble Tina's ceiling death from the movie). And Old Victor Creel is played by Robert Englund (Freddy Krueger, himself)
@Hollygli
Ай бұрын
Absolutely LOVED that Robert Englund was in this.
@killerbas40
Ай бұрын
The weird sound whenever a ticking clock is displayed also seems to be a nod to the old nightmare on elm street sound effects
@kroanosm617
Ай бұрын
It was great to have him in the show. I went from thinking "Oh they ripped off Nightmare on Elm Street." to "Oh, this is an Homage! I love it!"
@SummerSolstice621
Ай бұрын
It’s much more than ‘Nightmare’, it’s 80’s horror as a whole. And it was amazing!
@Corn_Pone_Flicks
Ай бұрын
I always think when Dustin says "We've got bigger problems than Jason," that, yeah, you've got Freddy.
@enasbassiony7676
Ай бұрын
I am so over this whole Billy obsession tbh You can like whatever character you want, of course, but man the way you talk about him is like you never watched the show at all !! Nice memories he and Max had together?!!! 😂 The show is "ruining" Billy?! Billy can beat Vecna?! And Billy was a fucking hero?! HERO?! He barely redeemed himself 😂 Wth have you guys been watching the past 2 seasons?!
@LILBEF
Ай бұрын
As an 80s kid, it hurt my soul that you didn't realise Victor was played by Robert Englund, the original Freddy Kruger 💔
@julesb1970
Ай бұрын
Same here, I wonder if they've even seen any of the movies, also they obviously have no idea about Kate Bush and her song! When Max started listening to her when I was watching this season it brought me back to how much I loved the song back in the day! ❤ I feel bad for this young generation and not knowing how awesome the 80's was!
@kevinscottbailey8335
Ай бұрын
This episode was about Max not Billy. You guys don't seem to understand that and it's kind of sad
@NinjaBee81
Ай бұрын
I really don’t understand why you guys are so into Billy. He wasn’t a great guy even before he was affected by the mindflayer. He was misogynistic, racist, agressive bully. Sure, he had a lot of childhood trauma and abusive dad. But you know what? There is a lot of characters in the show with major trauma, and they didn’t go around beating up people. You may not be able to choose your parents and your childhood, but you are able to choose if you let those things make you a monster too.
@vilmavanninen6950
Ай бұрын
All those other characters have a safety net of some sort. That probably helps.
@realisticthought1781
Ай бұрын
It's a character. Chill
@kaedenplays2297
Ай бұрын
@@realisticthought1781say that to spartan then
@unrelatedcoma
Ай бұрын
you guys keep saying that about Billy but then you all cheer when El splits open Angelas face.
@kaedenplays2297
Ай бұрын
@@unrelatedcoma because Angela literally brought up el’s dad so at the very least Angela deserved worse but Billy was even worse becuase he tried to run over kids and he was a raging racist
@lovelyedits472
Ай бұрын
Just because someone has a terrible childhood does not excuse that person for being a bully or abuser . He has been shown as a terrible person for 99% of the show; a few scenes of him being good cannot make someone love him this much. El had a worse childhood than Billy, far worse; she had every reason to be a villain, but she chose to be good. Heroes that deserve such love, like Harry Potter ,peter parker ,Bruce banner, and Jon Snow all had worse childhoods, but they all chose to be good. That's what makes them heroes. Surely you can like some characters better after they have their redemption, like Theon Greyjoy. However, Billy's redemption was not shown to us for long enough to like him that much. I agree he would have been a great addition to season 4, but the story is still going strong. Therefore, I think this season does not lack Billy's presence that much. But still, he is a very interesting character played by one of the best actors in the series, though.
@TonyPrince-gd3vo
Ай бұрын
@@lovelyedits472 He racially attacked a child too.
@rwfqel
Ай бұрын
damn christ this is NOT about billy RELAX he's DEAD. i'm going insane holy fucking shit
@TTArt
Ай бұрын
maybe you should relax too then
@rwfqel
Ай бұрын
@@TTArt no i don't
@rwfqel
Ай бұрын
@@sirdoobiehowzer3888 calm down it's not that serious lol 💀
@abbesatty9498
Ай бұрын
Way to ruin a solid Max centered episode reaction by being obsessed with Billy. I think they're missing the point.
@parrycarry
Ай бұрын
I'm concerned with their obsession with Billy, are they mistaking the character for the actor... Billy was a racist bully. Sure, he had a shitty dad, who taught him those traits by being that way himself, but Billy made those choices himself... Will and Jonathan also had a shitty dad. People should only feel bad about Billy because Max shut down because she blamed herself for him. His sacrifice in the end was noble, considering, but it doesn't erase who he was. He even went after married women. The dude had so many problems.
@corym.m.3084
Ай бұрын
They put way too much into Billy. Dude was a shitty person. Doesn’t matter about his past or whatever, he was shitty. Karma came after him and the only decent thing he’s done was save Eleven in the last minute
@Kiraiko44
Ай бұрын
Literally one of the best episodes in the series and ya'll tried to make it all about Billy and Spartan missed ALL the nuances and meaning of the scene and just didn't like that it wasn't scary enough. And then all the post discussion is about what a "hero" Billy is (I like his arc and think his character is interesting too but come on). I was really looking forward to the reaction for this episode, disappointing. You have all this love and compassion for Billy because they showed five minutes of his abusive dad but seem to have none of that understanding for Max despite seeing how she's been treated multiple times. Why?
@Destyn2b
Ай бұрын
Same! I was so excited for this episode that I hit the like button on the way in. I had to take it back because the lack of appreciation for the Max scene is beyond disappointing. 😔
@emilygisclair
Ай бұрын
samesies
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
I'm done watching their reaction to this season, it's just frustrating. Spartan has the emotional depth of a puddle
@alexanderfvarela
Ай бұрын
@@TheJerbol so you want every reaction channel to be the exact same 💀i think their billy obsession is funny ngl. Not every reaction channel has to dissect every little thing and be emotional
@enasbassiony7676
Ай бұрын
@alexanderfvarela They don't have to be the same, but they have to be reasonable This specific episode can not be made about anyone other than Max Like it or not ... Billy isn't part of this season in anyway They'll be like 4x1 .. life after Billy 4x2 .. Max depressed over Billy 4x3 ..where is Billy.. bring him back 4x4 .. oh Max's nice memories with Billy will save her from Vecna.. and Billy could have kicked Vecna's ass 😂 I bet you 4x5 .. if Papa is back, then Billy can be back too 4x6 .. those bats attacking Steve .. they wouldn't dare if that was Billy 4x7 .. So Henry Creel/one killed Billy 4x8 .. aren't we getting Billy back? 4x9 ..every one is hurting Vecna.. yes, vengeance for Billy 😂 It's literally that weird and stupid
@yonta7260
Ай бұрын
Please do us the favour and read some of the comments regarding Billy. It's scary how easy people forget or excuse what a psycho he was.
@tbtb771
Ай бұрын
He was “psycho” in season 2, in season 3 he did nothing wrong and saved Karen actually + the whole world also
@spazzout1k350
Ай бұрын
@@tbtb771u just talking
@troma760
Ай бұрын
I guess according to some comments they’ve been done with the season already on Patreon. Assuming there were comments there calling out their unwarranted Billy obsession, it’s safe to assume they’re standing their ground.
@vilmavanninen6950
Ай бұрын
@@spazzout1k350 maybe you should rewatch?
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@tbtb771 Bob was never a psycho, also saved everyone and you don't see them talking about him on every single scene.
@MichaelBalchaitis
Ай бұрын
I never passionately hated a character more than Billy.
@AL-fl4jk
Ай бұрын
Spartans obsessions with masculine alpha dudes even if they are sh*tty people is WILD 😂
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
I know, the way he misses Billy more than he misses Bob, a true hero and the nicest man ever!
@sython135
Ай бұрын
@@susannariera Plus he was shitting on Bob when he did nothing wrong the entire first half of season 2. Almost like how a jock would bully the nerd in high school for no reason. Dude needs to grow up.
@fedrido15
Ай бұрын
i say we want the underneath good guy/girl we kind of all have to win. i think spartan wants billy to fight vecna off. i understood max was stronger to fight him off because she has people she loves.
@arnie019
Ай бұрын
There are villains people like for example Death Vader and there are hero’s that suck. Billy’s character was interesting played by a good acting performance. Bob’s character absolutely sucked.
@luisschutz1854
Ай бұрын
he will watch peaky blinders and it will be his favorite thing of all time. Spartan will stand up, squint his eyes and shout "YEAH DUUUUDE" every five minutes
@TheJerbol
Ай бұрын
Spartan's starting to remind me of Pat (Normies) and even worse Rob (RT TV) Billy was a racist, sexist, abusive, borderline psychopathic character...
@changingmind2522
Ай бұрын
I actually liked Rob for his GoT reactions. But yeah, they have horrible opinions most the time 😂
@Hollygli
Ай бұрын
RT TV is trash. Sexist as hell and unsophisticated (like so many reactors. I had hope for S&P but S has proven to be like that too). Is Rob the one who hates El bc she slammed Lucas back in S1 for fighting with Mike? There's one dude in that team who's fixated on her, swears she's racist. Like GMAB. I don't follow them but I've caught some of Blind Wave and Badd Medicine and they seem to be much more elevated. Just that they talk too much.
@vvurbajael
Ай бұрын
Brooo oh my jesussss how much are y’all gonna talk about a awful character atp. Billy this Billy that like damn😭
@ch30ris.39
Ай бұрын
Billy, Billy, Billy, Billy and Billy, GOD how desperate it is to hear them name Billy the bully all the time.
@skelet8663
Ай бұрын
Why are they obsessed with Billy so much, I don’t get it wasn’t he a racist?
@The98icecream
Ай бұрын
People on the comments saying that there's nothing wrong in liking a villain and that we shouldn't judge if Billy is their favorite character... okay but the problem is that they don't see him as a villain, they see him as a HERO!!!??? And the worst part is that their love for him is really affecting their vision to the whole show and they aren't even trying to understand other character's development. Also, Spartan has a visible inclination towards male characters with toxic masculine personality. That's why Dustin and Steve aren't his favorite characters anymore. And what will be his opinion about Will in further episodes? I can already imagine.
@ChromeOfTheFuture
Ай бұрын
Louder for the people in the back!
@JDela10
Ай бұрын
"The problem is". Jesus if you can't watch their reaction without snapping at them, then don't watch their reactions at all. Not everybody interprets things like you do. The world is diverse in viewpoints. We used to celebrate that once, now people can't tolerate it, and so many of them are in the ST fanbase. Billy was an asshole who, in the end, chose the ultimate heroic act. He sacrificed himself to save an innocent stranger. If so many ST fans could read between the lines they would see why. He did it because Eleven freed him, not just from the mind flayer, but from the mental prison he was in because of his father. The man who controlled his life and policed everything, including his emotions. Eleven was probably the only person to show him legitimate compassion since his mother left. To show him that it is not wrong to miss her and to grieve over her decision to leave him. The moment that changed his life for the worse, and his father, the original monster, metaphorically possessed him. He couldn't show empathy, he couldn't be nice to anybody or else he's some "fa**ot" like his father said. Even when Eleven asked Billy to show her what happened, he showed her his mother, the abuse she suffered, his failed attempts to protect her because he was too small to resist his father, etc. He showed that to her along with the mind flayer. Then she figured it out, she knew how to bring him back. She knew what would give him the power to resist the influence of the mind flayer and return to before all of this happened, when he was loved and cared for, when he wasn't fucking miserable. She freed him, and in return he did what he couldn't do for his mother, he used his strength to protect Eleven, the innocent, from the monster. He finally fought back and won, only it cost him his life. He stayed alive just long enough to tell max he was sorry. That doesn't erase anything he did in the past of course, but not all characters can have a perfect redemption arc. The past can't be changed, you can't do anything but decide in the moment. In the end he got it right and did something that not only saved Eleven but is likely to have far reaching consequences for everyone. I appreciate how the wrapped it up for Billy, and gave his shitty personality and actions some context that can be understood. And I felt for Max in S4, because she is struggling with the loss and the fact that while they all stood there and looked in, he took on the mind flayer, one on one, and died. The guilt that she probably never even knew he was capable of that. Even the "I'm sorry" makes it so much more complicated for her. She only truly met Billy right before he died. Her journey in s4 requires that. It's the entire basis of Vecna targeting her.
@martin3980
Ай бұрын
guys I'm just very curious about why you like Billy so damn much? Like what's the reasoning? At the end of the day it's just a tv show so it doesn't really matter, but like I've never seen anyone being so infatuated with an evil character
@Alexanderofori-zc9ef
Ай бұрын
Fun fact about Victor Creel, he is played by Robert Englund who played the original Freddy Krueger in A Nightmare on Elm Street
@harryballsak1123
Ай бұрын
Yep Vecna is basically Freddy and most reactors don't get the joke when Dustin says to Lucas "We have bigger problems than Jason"
@alastairty8755
Ай бұрын
@@harryballsak1123 thats so niche though i wouldnt expect any reactors to understand that in real time
@harryballsak1123
Ай бұрын
@@alastairty8755 Yeah because Freddy and Jason were never compared or ever put in a movie together. Oh wait
@jaybeepainting9413
Ай бұрын
Max's whole arc over the first 4 episodes is a story of trauma, immense guilt, depression and suicidal thoughts. Over the first few episodes, we see her burning her friendships, embracing depressed solitute, and she seems to not care about herself, her life, anything. This is all very very real, and resonating for anybody who's experienced suicidal thoughts before. Hearing her monologue of her letter to Billy explains the self-blame and guilt she has put on herself, and her inability to share the truth with anybody else. That is a hell of a lot of emotion and turmoil for a child to deal with on their own. Then, in the moment of the Vecna attack, re-living her memories of friendsip and love, and she realises she doesn't truly want to die. She decides to FIGHT. Not just Vecna, but fight for her life. People who don't understand this, are actually lucky. It means they probably don't resonate with being in that dark place, and that's a lovely thing, but for those of us who have, this episode absolutely hits.
@bradcarver8127
Ай бұрын
I’ve never been there myself personally, but I was able to grasp all of what was going on and the emotional weight of it all. The scene brought me to tears the first time and can easily still do it. I hope you’re still running up that hill yourself everyday.
@canucksandbb
Ай бұрын
Let’s talk about a secondary racist dead character over and over again wtf
@salmarwow
Ай бұрын
So Spartan thinks Vecna is at the same level as Billy? Meh. I know, you guys like Billy (which he didn't deserved, by the way), but Vecna is a villain totally from another level. You'll see.
@immortal5626
Ай бұрын
Yep he ain't that bright unfortunately.
@bengilbert7655
Ай бұрын
Don't worry. By the end of the season they will have convinced themselves that Vecna is a misunderstood saint and will go on gushing over him for several episodes. Seriously they are fangirling over Billy at the expense of the other kids who are true heroes.
@vilmavanninen6950
Ай бұрын
@@bengilbert7655 guess what? JCB stans HAVE convinced themselves that Billy is worse than Vecna!
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@bengilbert7655 not only kids, what about Bob? He died saving everyone, always nice to everybody. They never say a word about him. It's all "billy, billy,billy....".
@yeahr1ghty
Ай бұрын
@@susannarieraSome criticism of them missing the point of the episode is one thing, but "they never said a word about him (Bob)"? You serious? That's just wrong or outright lying. They were regularly bringing up Bob AND Barb throughout season 3. Spartan apologized several times for wrongly hating on Bob at first. Pretty sure Pudgey mentioned Barb again in season 4! Some of y'all are letting your emotions get the best of you, you're getting way off base.
@kroanosm617
Ай бұрын
Billy is in the episode for like 1 minute and he is being a dbag. Spartan - " Max was really great in that scene. And so was Billy! My boy."
@briya7077
Ай бұрын
Billy couldn’t handle being mind flayed let alone “kicking vecnas ass” 😂 He was not that great of a character y’all my god.
@vilmavanninen6950
Ай бұрын
He definitely WAS a great character. Just not a great PERSON. And he could've absolutely kicked Pennywise's ass on his own, whereas Henry Bowers wouldn't have even tried to fight the mindflayer(I'm bringing this up because FAR too many of you have forgotten that this show is an homage to Stephen King's work, so yeah, it IS relevant).
@briya7077
Ай бұрын
@@vilmavanninen6950 Don’t compare Billy to Henry as if he had half as much depth as a character as Henry did. Like that’s my whole point. We didn’t get anything from him as a character before he bit the dust, so no he was not a great character 💀 He didn’t do anything redeeming or even remotely important before he got mind flayed, so by the time it was too late, only then did they finally start going more into his past and I honestly just didn’t care about it. It’s not like he ever planned on being a better person before everything happened so boo hoo. And that’s probably why the writers chose him to be the “host” of the mind flayer, because they made his character pointless and disposable 😂🤷🏽♀️
@matchababy8485
Ай бұрын
i’m kind of disappointed with all this Billy stuff. In this reaction, Max’s character development and internal battle being overshadowed by Billy. They should have let him go after s3.
@JamieNeill
Ай бұрын
Great points!
@robtintelnot9107
Ай бұрын
What do you mean Vecna was too slow? They showed us how he operates. He plays before he kills. And Billy stunk. Let it go.
@zenadaraghmi7863
Ай бұрын
"you're ruining billy" billy would attack lucas and hate on him just because he was black and he also tried to run him over with his car
@samuelclayhills3298
Ай бұрын
Ay yo based billy.
@robertfishburn8545
Ай бұрын
Billy ruined Billy. Let a shitty person take accountability at least
@tbtb771
Ай бұрын
Bro Billy is dead already, he even apologised with his last breath, what more do you want from him?
@spazzout1k350
Ай бұрын
@@tbtb771we don’t want nun from billy, their obsession wit him just needa stop
@tbtb771
Ай бұрын
@@spazzout1k350 maybe you should just stop telling people what they should and shouldn’t enjoy? They are not your puppets
@1HalfbloodPrince
Ай бұрын
You should leave the Billy love to a minimum, he was a racist and a bully, he does not deserve this much love.
@Kevin.Costner.
Ай бұрын
This episode right here had all social media in a chokehold, i think even Kate Bush (Artist of the song) snuck back into the billboard around the time ep released 🐐
@bglambo
Ай бұрын
It went to number 3! And number 1 on a number of national charts
@Kevin.Costner.
Ай бұрын
@bblambo Spot on cheers mate^
@kingkev6407
Ай бұрын
YEPPPPPPPPPPP I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN HER 80s classic song again
@CubejamF1
Ай бұрын
Love how Max's scene just ended up being a discussion about Billy... who for the entirety of last season was a POS apart from one moment where he suddenly had some humanity.
@fiImedeterror
Ай бұрын
saying hop is in peak condition cause he lost weight from being starved and tortured...............
@LordLOC
Ай бұрын
Indeed, should have said "David Habour" instead of Hopper but you know, semantics lol
@Kiraiko44
Ай бұрын
They said that before too when they showed him in episode 2 Trojan was like "oh he's lost some weight! He looks good!" dude he's being tortured and starved...
@emmaearthling444
Ай бұрын
He’s like a shadow of himself
@brownbutterb-roll921
Ай бұрын
I just said this….that was cringy as H*ll! 🥴
@hoon_sol
Ай бұрын
@@Kiraiko44: The actor undoubtedly looks better though, and it shows even when they try to portray him as tortured and starved; that's what people are noticing. Also, who the hell is Trojan?
@DaveJansenTPV
Ай бұрын
Billy was extremely racist and was physically and mentally abusing Max to an extreme degree. The fact that you act like he was some kind of angel and 'misunderstood' is very worrying tbh.
@kairubynini
Ай бұрын
no shade billy stinks 😭 like never got over him being racist to lucas and abusive to max idgaf
@Kevin.Costner.
Ай бұрын
you just reminded me of something, Whats the timeline of the show have they been in the 80’s for 15 years😭
@Ziseth
Ай бұрын
@@Kevin.Costner. What on earth gave you the idea that the show takes place over the course of even anywhere near 15 years? Season 1 takes place in 1983, and season 4 is year 1986
@vilmavanninen6950
Ай бұрын
Never? Season 3 came out in 2019. FIVE YEARS AGO. It's just a tv show...
@azkayla504
Ай бұрын
@@vilmavanninen6950so? They’re allowed to not like him
@Ziseth
Ай бұрын
@@vilmavanninen6950 Huh? Have you heard of immersion? It's normal to take a stance on characters in a film or tv show you watch, and decide wether you like them or not.. It's not like OP is straight up holding grudges over BIlly as a person. Ironically, by implying they do, and that they should get over it (despite it just being a tv show) makes you the one treating the show as real life..
@Madeleinegamestr
Ай бұрын
bruh you guys really enjoying an abusive person is wild smh.. and taking away max scene to center it about billy also what the actual shit.. prob worst reaction to one of the best scenes that has a lot of different symbolic meanings.
@beaux2585
Ай бұрын
What is the obsession with Billy? He was a complete jerk and most were glad he died.
@DonArsuk84
Ай бұрын
Its because Spartan wants to be Billy. Being racist and a bully. He just don’t have the balls for it.
@arnie019
Ай бұрын
@@DonArsuk84 bro get some help
@arnie019
Ай бұрын
@@beaux2585 he was interesting character. I was glad when Bob died because his character sucked.
@beaux2585
Ай бұрын
@@arnie019 Joffrey and Ramsey Bolton in GoT were "interesting characters" too. At least Bob went out a hero after being a good guy, Billy was a jerk and died as one.
@evilwelshman
Ай бұрын
I feel the episode did a really good job in portraying Max's feelings around Billy's death. It wasn't because they had a strong and close relationship that is causing her to feel sad. Rather, it's precisely because they didn't have one. It was about the road not taken. When Billy died, he had done so whilst selflessly protecting others - a completely different side of him that Max had never seen. Which had left her wondering what else she never knew about him and whether - had life turned out differently - they could have formed a stronger sibling relationship. Unfortunately, this is something she will now never know. As such, it wasn't (mainly) about sadness over what was lost but remorse and regret over what could have been.
@XmycekX
Ай бұрын
I've never seen anyone get so attached to the racist bully character... lmao. fuck billy
@Cassxowary
Ай бұрын
just you wait for episode 6 if you didn’t learn from the one where he gets abused at home..,
@robertdiaz9685
Ай бұрын
OMFG STOP WITH THE BILLY OBSESSION
@yonta7260
Ай бұрын
thank you. like did we all just forget about everything he's done?? why is everyone suddenly stanning him, I'm so tired of this...
@WatchTWD
Ай бұрын
@@yonta7260you can leave if you’re trying to tell people what characters they can and can’t like lol
@WatchTWD
Ай бұрын
@@yonta7260billy is a great character stop crying it’s not that deep to write in all caps 💀
@maxvickrey4357
Ай бұрын
Billy was a great character but a horrible person in literally every scene tell he sacrifices himself at the end Doesn't change the fact that man was a psychopath
@rickthatmorty2338
Ай бұрын
@@maxvickrey4357Lmaoo you do realize his dad literally beats him and probably his whole family so there is a reason why he’s such a “bad person” I would say him sacrificing himself definitely redeemed himself ?
@fsociety7494
Ай бұрын
I've tried to hang in there with these guys and have enjoyed some previous reactions to other media, but the reactions to this season and the end of last season has done it for me. This billy thing is beyond ridiculous now.
@Hollygli
Ай бұрын
Same. I'll ride out the rest of ST just bc I love the show so much but I didn't click on their HOTD reaction nor the latest Chernobyl one. They'll do fine without me so it's no loss to them but it's better for me. The lack of sophistication, the chest beating bravado, the worship of male heroes only, and the disdain of any female character that doesn't either kick ass or kiss male ass has become tedious. Plus, I used to enjoy P but the constant trying to guess things and giddy smirking that she was right is annoying. And then I remember, they're still in their 20s and all the above is reflective of that. Hopefully they'll grow out of it as they age & confront more in life.
@quackbock
16 күн бұрын
@@Hollygli i stopped watching the GOT videos when he called Dany cold for making Jorah leave when she found out he was passing info on her to Robert, but thought "Hey i'll give them a second chance with ST" and it was going fine until the last half of season 3 and now. I'm going to finish the rest of this season with them but that'll be it for me after this. It's fine to feel empathy for Billy but to down right worship him for sacrificing himself is crazy. It doesn't negate how abusive he was to Max, or racist he was towards Lucas, and him being abused himself isn't an excuse imo.
@Hollygli
Ай бұрын
It's unfortunate that this episode didn't impact you guys the way it seemingly did the world collectively. To anyone who's experienced depression and thoughts like, "i wish i wasn't alive" it was incredibly emotional. And so well written. Beyond being a monster from another dimension, Vecna is a whole metaphor for the kind of depression that leads to suicidal ideation. "It's time to end your suffering." The way he tells Max that she wanted to join Billy. He (your thoughts/mind in depression) takes your trauma/guilt and makes it worse to the point that you contemplate suicide. The writing, the high stakes of it being Max, the actress's acting, the music... It all came together to give us one of the most beautiful, meaningful, and emotional scenes/stories this show has delivered. For that alone, I'll love this show forever.
@kingkev6407
Ай бұрын
FAXXXXXXXXXXXXX YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I don’t like the fact that it didn’t impact them like that the way it did for the rest of the world but it’s ok I still love them
@KauanFelipe-px1qq
Ай бұрын
@@kingkev6407people are different
@kingkev6407
Ай бұрын
@@KauanFelipe-px1qq true you’re right but still tho lol but you’re right
@briangarcia4619
Ай бұрын
Facts
@FindingYaya
Ай бұрын
It sounded to me like it did impact Pudgey though
@sgame82
Ай бұрын
It's so weird to me how much these two love Billy. I don't get it. There was not one likeable thing about him when i first watched this show.
@janivaverna14
Ай бұрын
stop making everything about billy, let him go😭😭
@VincentSimone-rp1pi
Ай бұрын
Why do y’all expect Billy to get screen time? He died lol 😅
@KelliFranklin
Ай бұрын
What a tear jerker of an episode. Max's evolution in dealing with her depression and feelings of being lost to fighting to stay to saying that she's still here over and over. Billy was a terrible person to be sure but I think in the end he did redeem himself and he did love and protect Max in his own twisted way. My love for Max just intensifies in this episode.
@uncomfortablepinkman6447
Ай бұрын
After watching this and the boys s4 reactions it’s clear you two have absolutely 0 media literacy, especially Spartan.
@lisab.2667
Ай бұрын
I have truly never seen someone love Billy as much as you guys do 😂😂
@vincew4297
Ай бұрын
They probably like him so much because Dacre, who played Billy, is Australian in real life lol
@jonasfermefors
Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's because people expressed hate for Billy in the comments and that made them connect with him more. I don't understand the hate for Billy either - he a fascinating character, his back story gave us some empathy for him and ultimately he got a redemptive end.
@xNathyRibeiro
Ай бұрын
@@jonasfermefors bc they hate characters who haven't done even half of the things billy did before vecna got him. He redeemed himself at his last moment but it was too late 🤷🏻♀️ they've liked billy since season 2 before they even showed how abusive his dad was, even after him being racist and acting agressive with max.
@susannariera
Ай бұрын
@@xNathyRibeiro exactly, but Bob had to die for them to show him some apreciation.
@daniellaaa24
Ай бұрын
Justice for Billy!❤🩹
@dsscam
Ай бұрын
You guys are great. But you missed a few things. #1 El signing her "Superhero" letter, FROM, El instead of Love, El... Hilarious. #2 No Max's mother was NOT there- she's working 2 jobs. That was ALL Vecna. #3 "Running Up That Hill" by Kate Bush was released in 1985. It made it back to the Billboard Charts - all the way to #8 after this episode was released. Also, "Chrissy Wake Up" by the Gregory Brothers reached #1 on Spotify after Episode 1. And #4. Vecna's House IS in Hawkins (although the REAL house where they film is in Rome, Georgia). And finally, your Billy obsession IS kinda crazy- but that's what makes you different. Now go back to BETTER CALL SAUL, or Vecna will come after you It is TIME!
@Eniril1
Ай бұрын
(EDIT: Holly hell, yes i don't condone Billy or the admiration Spartan/Pudgey are deeming him worthy of, but i think the comments need to chill now, they got it. Spartan has a bias for classic physical/domineering heroes that Billy fits at least aesthetically, but when i see comments downright accusing him of pandering to toxic masculinity... And even making a huge leap and accusing him of being homophobic... Rein your lynching in guys.) I can't bring myself to appreciate billy. Prior to being subjected to the mind flayer's influence he was already dangerously violent and close to a psychopathic murderer himself. You can point out his father's abuse, which explains most of his behaviour, but plenty of people, me included, live through abuse and fight to stay close to the light. He has reasons, not excuses. I think his charisma and pseudo-badassery is the true cause of you guys falling for him, and while he started to reedeem himself Max's guilt is as unfair as it is comprehensible. Billy knew full well how to manipulate and traumatize, as did he knew perfectly the difference between good & evil. "A good deed does not wash out the bad" - Stannis the Mannis.
@Corlwow
Ай бұрын
Reasons not excuses - exactly!
@TheRepublican777
Ай бұрын
He wasn't really close to being a murderer you have to watch it a few times to really grasp his character it was all for show so people would fear him it was his way of having control because he had an abusive father and a mother who abandoned him and he resents Max because her mother married his dad and wanted to move away from California which is the only place he knew where his mom was he has no idea where she left to but he could have been looking for her and now he is states away but he is actually protective over Max the way he was of his mother he just had a weird way of showing it he came across more controlling but guarantee if he had seen anyone hit Max he would have attacked them and protected her but he liked having her fear him so she wouldn't step out of line do such horrible things he didn't want Max to think that he was that bad guy it's all very complex
@Riya.c69
Ай бұрын
Well said! The billy worship has gone long enough
@superkoopatrooper4879
Ай бұрын
Nah, you misread him. He's wearing a mask because the real him is vulnerable. That if he lets his guard down, people will treat him like his parents did. So happy for you though. But what if you didnt have friends, or teachers or anyone who cared? What if your family lied and nobody who could have helped believed you because the denial was easier to believe than the truth? Would you have turned out the same? would you take any sheyet from anyone or anything at that point? I honestly doubt it.
@Eniril1
Ай бұрын
@@TheRepublican777 I'm not denying the complexity of traumas & coping mechanisms. Diving into Billy's psyche/reasoning is inevitable and rather obvious. Most viewers get what you stated and more, and Spartan/Pudgey explained this viewpoint extensively. I can only repeat that while the reasons for his behaviour are understandable they do not constitute excuses. Beating Steve to near-death, mentally harrassing his half-sister up to clearly abusive levels, constantly attacking those he perceives as weaker... Those are traits certainly dependent on his father's cruelty. Once again, having lived and currently living through the consequences of abuse, i can relate to Billy's ordeals. I too became violent recently ; But only when actual psychosis took over. Billy is clearly not psychotic, he chooses to discharge his pain on others. Doing it consciously is a huge difference. It implies choice and accountability.
@presto8957
Ай бұрын
Ohhhhh wait. It’s because the actor that plays Billy is Australian, right?! I get it now. There could be NO other reason for this over-stanning 😂
@Kiraiko44
Ай бұрын
I don't think they know that, I've never heard them mention it
@Corlwow
Ай бұрын
Stranger Things: S+P’s opinion on Billy xD
@cheekyramen
Ай бұрын
This is such a great episode for me specifically because of how much it progressed Max's character arc and was also imo an amazing tribute to Billy by highlighting Max's perspective of him. Their relationship was obviously pretty bad and toxic at the start but hearing Max open up through her letter of how things could have been if Billy survived truly made me emotional and I felt like the show handled all of it well
@aoitishjyat.neelam2199
Ай бұрын
The way how all of us are bound to talk about billy in this episode's reaction because of them even though Max stole the show here... it's weird
@Hollygli
Ай бұрын
The episode was for her. Her time to shine. Max has the big arc this season. And no one can take that away from us :)
@jordanwolf1320
Ай бұрын
I would love to hear why you guys think so highly of Billy. I'm honestly mind boggled by the Billy glazing, it makes zero sense even if he redeemed himself somewhat at the end of season of season 3, almost every single scene Billy had until he was possessed showed him as a garbage human being, racist, literally tried to run over the kids, mentally abused his sister, and was just a down right prick.
@immortal5626
Ай бұрын
Facts bro. Its gotten so annoying. Like we get it already.
@clarkmichaels822
Ай бұрын
To me, Billy was a damaged kid who could still be redeemed with hard work and a ton of therapy. But he was definitely never going to make a Steve-like turn into hero territory. So was it sad he died? Yes. Did we miss out on a new member of the team? No.
@tbtb771
Ай бұрын
@@immortal5626stop watching then jfc, stop crying about it after every video, go watch someone else’s content. I’m sure there are plenty of other creators who will react the way you like
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