Do you want to see us make more deep dive videos like this? 🤔 Let us know in the comments below! 👇
@Jari1973
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely 👍
@ainchents
Жыл бұрын
Yes please
@Foxtrottangoabc
Жыл бұрын
Josh did a great job really interesting . Learnt alot , at the very least the importance of proper chain cleaning regardless of lube. So yes please
@nsambafrancis8033
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely yes, these videos are so educative
@taburetca
Жыл бұрын
But wax can't work in wet conditions, Especially drip on wax It is dissolved in water and it will also dissolve in rain
@andrewmcalister3462
Жыл бұрын
28:15 Ollie's excitement at Alex's suggestion of a 2nd waxed chain. It's like he just won the lottery. 😂 Seriously though, thank you Alex, Josh and Ollie for tackling this topic in detail.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@iacobogallus2110
Жыл бұрын
Having more than 1 chain when waxing is a must 😉😉😉
@jameshmd
Жыл бұрын
But what about the weight penalty of carrying an extra chain over three Everests 😂… surely heavier than carrying some wet lube.
@Darth_Firebolt
Жыл бұрын
I rode 240 miles to a vacation and carried a waxed and ready to go chain with me. I got to my vacation spot, swapped chains, enjoyed my vacation, and rode home. It worked great, and then I waxed them both when I got home. Compared to the clothing and chargers and water and snacks that I took, the weight of the extra chain was literally negligible. Now I know that for the same situation, I could just carry a small bottle of wax lube and apply it once I get there! Even better!
@MarcusBrito
Жыл бұрын
Josh is such an awesome guy. I love episodes featuring him. What I got from today’s episode is that the bike chain is a marvel of modern engineering we take for granted.
@kylieon51ststreet71
Жыл бұрын
I agree! Unlike that racist liar Adam Kerin aka Zero Friction Cycling. He made racist comments towards Hambini and lies so much on his youtube channel just to sell over price parrafin wax products.
@frenzalrhomb1
Жыл бұрын
Which episode does Adam say racist things about Hambini
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
The humble chain! How many adventures have been powered by the chain? 👀
@veganpotterthevegan
Жыл бұрын
@@kylieon51ststreet71Adam sells a lot of Silca and Josh uses his data
@Biking360
Жыл бұрын
One of the best guests ever on GCN Tech 👍
@jeremynorth
Жыл бұрын
Probably the best
@paulagraphr
Жыл бұрын
And he speaks English! JK love my friends across the pond
@zerofrictioncycling992
Жыл бұрын
Thanks GCN and thanks Josh, it is so good to see GCN now putting out great information to viewers in this space. The more who see such vids = more cyclists saving a ton of wear on lovely components, which equals cost to run savings, and also cuts down on a lot of general cleaning maintenance using solvents that end up goodness knows where as the top lubricants just need so little maintenance to remain clean and low friction / wear. Having a major channel help save countless thousands of drivetrains from and early death is just brilliant to see!
@Thomas-fy9yc
Жыл бұрын
Josh is a great addition to this show, I went to listening while doing the dishes to practically taking notes during…keep him coming back.
@jeremynorth
Жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant episode. As well as Josh's expertise some excellent questions and input from Alex and Ollie. More of these please
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Alex who sorry? 😂
@CatManDoSocial
Жыл бұрын
Excellent interview. Josh and also Adam from Zero Friction Cycling are just absolutely brilliant and both have integrity that is rarely seen. I know that Silca is now a sponsor (which is great) but this has improved your maintenance content significantly. I've been using Silca Hot Melt on my MTB chain for over a year and just had to replace it because of a large stick in the drivetrain, but it still showed NO sign of wear. Also, the thing that most people don't understand about hot melt waxing, and think it's too much trouble, is that you only have to clean the chain once to get the factory grease off of it and that's it. Never again. It really is amazing.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, glad you found it interesting! Are there any other deep-dive topics you'd like to see us cover?
@CatManDoSocial
Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech Well, I really love the manufacturing videos. I know it's probably not easy to get frame/component manufacturers to open up, and they're all over the world, but it's awesome to see how things are made. And yes, I've watched several on GCN+. I would also like to see a deep and honest look at the carbon footprint of the cycling industry. We all know that cycling is better than driving, but I'm not talking about that. It would be great to talk about materials and manufacturing processes and how it cold be better. It would also be great to look at what some companies are doing to make things better as well as the B Corporation certification. You've done things like this in the past but it hasn't been a deep-dive as you said. Thanks!
@BRMCaptChaos
Жыл бұрын
What makes you think Zero Friction has undoubted integrity? The pricing is 'interesting', and I doubt the claims based on R2 and a reasonable test method. It would make a good undergrad study. And a PhD to give it to ASTM.
@MrGoodaches
Жыл бұрын
I started waxing about a decade ago merely for the cleanliness. Wife and I were doing fly/bike trips with a small plane and MTBs. No matter which brand of oil lube or efforts I made for cleaning I was inevitably getting chain stains on me or clothes as I loaded or unloaded bikes from plane. With wax I could intentionally touch the chain and not get a mark. That was the start. Since then I’ve noticed much longer chain lives and substantially less time spent on chain maintenance. I’m talking about immersing chains in melted paraffin wax (grocery store wax). The initial time getting the factory petroleum goo off the chains and doing the wax immersion is given back to me many times over with less maintenance fuss over the life of the chains, and it’s a longer life also. Even after a dirty, muddy single track ride I just hose off the bikes. If I notice any wax flakes on the chain I just spin the drive train backwards against a paintbrush and the flakes fall away. We don’t race but the cleanliness, longer chain life, and the silly easy maintenance are plenty reason enough for immersion waxing. I am a fan of Josh and his marginal gains research. However due to price I’m not using his specially formulated chain wax. But I did invest in his The Truth tire pressure gauge. It would be a whole additional posting to talk up the advantages us non racers have gained from figuring out optimal pressures and having an accurate and precise method of setting the optimal pressures.
@b0jang
Жыл бұрын
Interesting - I would almost always consider the specially formulated chain wax over a $250 gauge but this has got me thinking about the potential inaccuracies of my floor pump.. is this something more applicable in your MTB scenario or equally important in a commuting/weekend road ride scenario?
@makantahi3731
5 ай бұрын
waxed chain maintenance can be more easier if you use battery inductive heater, to heat up chain on bike and wax it on bike, 6-10 minutes
@MrGoodaches
5 ай бұрын
I must admit it wasn’t a specific decision to choose an expensive pressure gauge over a lube formulation. The gauge was an impulse buy at an event where SILCA had a booth and an event discount. I most often set our tire pressures based upon dimensionally achieving 15% drop if we’re doing a road ride, or 18% if we are going off pavement. But, setting that way requires a second person to measure while the rider sits on bike. It’s practical enough that we checked and set our pressures that way on many bikepacking trips including Canada to Mexico on the GDMBR. But sometimes I just want to get bikes ready while she is packing our lunch - then I set to PSI. Purchasing The Truth gauge was more about wanting something precise and accurate that I could compare to gauge on my floor pump and help friends check the gauges they have. In the end, the additional benefit I can get from special formulation over plain paraffin wax is less than the additional gain I get from having my tire pressures optimized.
@bike.mad.kimbos
Жыл бұрын
The bottom line is 'keep your chain as clean as possible' i've just changed mine after 5500 miles both outdoor and indoor use. I check monthly with the Park Tools CC-2 to ensure i stay on top of wear. A regular wipe down with a (GT85 damp) lint free cloth then a degrease/ relube at regular intervals keeps it tip top.
@nickpatten5263
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant GCN Tech Show. Always love Josh's vast knowledge and way of explaining things to us non-techy bike people. Really enjoyed this show and learnt a lot, thank you.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick! Glad you found it informative!
@LostBeagle
Жыл бұрын
Knife manufacturers have used different types of steel over the years, including but not limited to heat treated steel. Please discuss how chain manufacturers can use different steels to maximize chain life and efficiency
@MikeDeVincentis
Жыл бұрын
I recently switched to Silka hot wax as I got a new gravel bike and wanted to prolong wear as knew I'd constantly be in the dust. I converted 2 chains and took them to Unbound this year. The 1st chain I converted had about 80 miles of riding before the event, and with the mud, rain and 205 miles, the chain did amazing. I'm a wax fan for life now. It really is not that much extra work either. Just get a dedicated mixing bowl for the instant pot so you can easily dip the chain. Now I just need to convert the other 4 bikes to wax. 😋
@ianlaker9161
Жыл бұрын
That was absolutely superb. A real revelation about a component we all take for granted and probably don't lube properly. I will now throw my dry lube away. My chain was starting to jump on one particular gear during RideLondon 100 last Sunday and I'll be fitting a new one as well as a new cassette this week. The info from this video will hopefully make this new setup last longer. Fascinating stuff.
@redalert2834
Жыл бұрын
Hot melt wax has one VERY BIG disadvantage not mentioned here - it does not waterproof the chain. If you ride in rain or leave your bike outdoors exposed to dew, beware of links rusting internally and seizing up - not only increasing friction but meaning you need to replace the chain. It can happen very quickly.
@DL-iq5zo
Жыл бұрын
Yes to more deep dive videos!!! The panel had an educational discussion. The useful information is much appreciated.
@richchilds8173
Жыл бұрын
Josh is a very intelligent and knowledgeable guest. He can explain tech in a way that non-tech savvy people can understand. I love the way he thinks before he speaks, but is so smart, he can put together his dialog quickly to keep the show moving.
@_MrSnrub
Жыл бұрын
I have a Priority Apollo (got a supernice from you lads), with a belt drive, and knowing that the efficiency loss is keeping me back isn't great, but its a killer system and a great bike. The fact that belt drive bikes are great for commuters and just for those too lazy to keep up with maintenance is actually a huge win, just rinse and go basically. But I do respect that they are not racing machines, especially with the added weight that an IGH adds to the system. But they are certainly an interesting option. Would be seriously interesting to see an IGH paired with a chain/derailleur for ultra crazy gearing too.
@henrybikeman
Жыл бұрын
That’s been done, but sadly withdrawn by the main igh makers due to lack of demand.
@peterwillson1355
Жыл бұрын
BROMPTON do it....Its how the 3 speed becomes a six speed.....
@davidrowe8747
14 күн бұрын
Really enjoy the longer nerdy/techy discussion videos, keep them coming!
@ericcoxtcu8037
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe I watched that whole 30 minute video and was surprised when it ended. Excellent information. I freely admit the only reason I don't do wax immersion is the time involved. One of these days I will have to give it a try.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
How about a drop on wax? 👉kzitem.info/news/bejne/s46AwGSNiKRkhno
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Great to hear you enjoyed it! Would you like to see us dive deeper into any subject?
@ericcoxtcu8037
Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech That's what I do - I degrease new chains and use a drip wax. I keep my drive train pretty clean; the drip wax has improved chain longevity and general drivetrain cleanliness. The big difference is on my gravel bike.
@philstephens1942
Жыл бұрын
Maybe the world will change for you regarding this aspect very soon?
@mickinmerton8053
Жыл бұрын
What a brilliant episode. I re-waxed my chain today in preparation for an event coming up so this was really useful. Josh was so knowledgeable. Thanks guys!!!
@chawley52
Жыл бұрын
Switching from wet lube to hot wax completely changed my gravel bike experience...for the better! And, eliminating the tedious and time consuming greasy drivetrain cleaning is a huge benefit.
@richardhutchings1980
Жыл бұрын
Ollie got very excited about the potential marginal gains in track cycling. The mention the UK track team got his attention
@brudegare
Жыл бұрын
Josh tried hard not to call out Muc Off when discussing the "worst" dry lubes lol.
@nsambafrancis8033
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@larrylem3582
Жыл бұрын
I just used mine today. I have to finish the bottle before I can buy anything else!
@brudegare
Жыл бұрын
@@larrylem3582 it might cost you more in chain life to finish that bottle than to just buy a good wet lube!
@sebbelito2975
Жыл бұрын
Good enough for an indoor trainer
@robertmcfadyen9156
Жыл бұрын
Zero Friction Cycling from Crafters , South Australia have made a good clear position on Muc Off's products , their claims as well as credibility . I don't use them but have seen them at camping and sports store Anaconda .
@babygerald4645
Жыл бұрын
My drivetrain is relatively forgiving, but it is amazing to think of how much stress it goes through, even at amateur enthusiast levels of usage. I use a drip wax for indoor training use and find it a nice combination of good lubrication and minimal grime accumulation. The key is to not overload the chain or it will gunk around the pulley wheels and to clean it off with a rag regularly before reapplying. Great point on the double application for maximum effectiveness. With so many other places to be more efficient, free extra efficiency from the chain is appreciated but not the first place on which I would be inclined focus my attention.
@tonyboughman8050
8 ай бұрын
Kudos to the hosts for keeping their mouths shut and letting the expert speak. Good job and informative video. I will change my lubing protocol to protect the expensive 12-speed cassette and chain.
@glennmorgan8691
Жыл бұрын
I've been using silca ss drip and the hot melt wax for 2 yrs on my electric mountain bikes and watched all Josh's videos with all kinds of tips and tricks and absolutely love it!!! Josh's new wax x is claimed to go 800kms between waxings I think that would be awesome for those ultra mileage races!!! And the new chain striper from josh has your chain ready to go into the wax pot in 10 mins takeing all the fuss out of waxing its brilliant!!!
@stephendenagy3396
Жыл бұрын
This was great, definitely helped understand the challenges. And…will work harder to keep chain clean and lubed!
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Great! It's always nice to have a well maintained bike 👌
@adam__smith
Жыл бұрын
I've been using drip wax for a couple of months now, and one thing that I appreciate about it is the fact that the chain / cogs are still super clean. It's a faff at the start, but no cleaning required after that - just lubing.
@JSquare1
7 ай бұрын
Loved this video, and Josh is always brimming with not only great inside information tips and stories, but the ability to convey his technical knowledge in easily understandable -- and entertaining -- bites. Always look forward to videos where he is present. That Silca products such as the wax lubes, cleaners, and protectors are the best I have used only adds weight, for me, to what he says.
@thecrazyhatchemist5051
Жыл бұрын
I love the science! Bring on more videos on the physics of cycling! Funny this is coming from a Chemistry teacher...
@4nz-nl
Жыл бұрын
5:30 it's very well possible to put a chain into a casing. Somehow, we just chose to not do this on our road bikes. One of the nice sides of riding a velomobile is that not only the chainwheel, but also the chain and the cassette have a much longer life due to the whole system being inside the bike. It's biggest enemy is your own sweat in that environment, but 30.000 km on one chainset is not unheard of.
@peterfranzjr.1190
Жыл бұрын
Bertrand seemed like the 3rd wheel on a date with the way Ollie was staring deep into Josh's eyes 😂
Жыл бұрын
That is a really educating and at the same time entertaining show - 10 points for that!
@flurblewibble7735
Жыл бұрын
What a brilliant guest - really knowledgeable, but has a knack of explaining things so even mere mortals like me can understand it. Superb insights and explanations.
@thsaintful
Жыл бұрын
Josh is a really good guest for the show! Very interesting for bike nerds like me. He has convinced me to switch to hotwaxing my MTB chains from now on. Now on to find a cheap crockpot.... if only Silca sold a simple one
@GilbertTang
Жыл бұрын
I often wonder if, for potentially easier application, it would be worthwhile shaping the wax beads into a cylinder that would fit in a typical glue gun. The problem then, of course, is the melted wax,has comparatively very low viscosity and it wouldn’t necessarily flow well out of the glue gun. But still, something purpose-built might actually work very nicely for this. And it need not even be glue gun style applicator. I also think a lot about those hand-crank chain cleaners. What about one that heats up the wax and allows you to apply the wax in a similar fashion (that is, hand-cranking it while the chain on the bike)? It’s definitely a more complicated problem than it seems, and there are certainly benefits to removing the chain for degreasing and cleaning. Plus it might not actually be substantially better than existing drip-on solutions (even the best process is only marginally better). But I suspect the heat would allow for deeper penetration overall. 🤷♂️
@BooklessT
2 ай бұрын
I worked for a company that made the "active" material that went into drilling and grinding components. Cubic Boron Nitride was up there as extremely abrasive and not that far away from synthetic diamond which is the hardest naturally occurring material.
@ShawnIsBatman
Жыл бұрын
Congrats to Ollie for getting the shout-out from Josh on the Silca Marginal Gains podcast for "wax shaming" pro teams in a recent video!
@phenofinder9145
Жыл бұрын
I keep 3 chains in rotation. I always have a waxed chain on deck.
@kokonanana1
Жыл бұрын
Started doing this in the 90s!
@phenofinder9145
Жыл бұрын
@@kokonanana1 respect ✊
@AlanJeffreyMcClainJr
Жыл бұрын
Alex is a genius! Even if self supported just stash an extra chain and install! Brilliant!
@SirGeorgeRoss
Жыл бұрын
Josh…the best guest/sponsor on the show - who else gives kudos to their competitors? Great stuff, Josh!
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
We love having Josh with us 🙌 Always smashes it!
@davidwilkinson9792
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this nerdy shit with legit nerds. Chapeu 👏 Thank you x
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
That's what this channel's all about, right? 😉
@theprofitmohamhead1268
Жыл бұрын
I made a lubricant cocktail of Mobile 1 10/30 wt, Teflon powder, graphite, moly lube, and couple others. Seems to work great!
@svenmkrause
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Could you do a short piece on reapplying hot wax. How to pre-clean and potential pitfalls. Thanks
@chrisralston2654
Жыл бұрын
Josh is a fantastic interview. So knowledgeable…and he keeps it interesting.
@donschloth5785
Жыл бұрын
Big fan of SILCA and Josh. Been using their products for quite awhile.
@rafaeldegiacomoaraujo8778
Жыл бұрын
Finally a good episode on chain lube on GCN! No mucoff BS anymore.
@eriklindskog1841
Жыл бұрын
For racing, yes for now chains are likely to remain. For utility bikes I would not be surprised if many move to e-bikes with belt drive.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
It'll certainly be interesting to see! Have you seen our 'Reinventing the wheel' doc on GCN+? 👉 gcn.eu/7DA
@fredsirvalo1904
Жыл бұрын
I didn't take my chain for granted yesterday when I somehow broke a it half-way through a 100K ride. Thankfully, a nearby LBS was open and replaced the broken chain. Score one for LBS mechanics. 🎉
@robertmcfadyen9156
Жыл бұрын
I am currently using Steve from Ozcycle's formulation and it is cost effective and has seen good feedback from several of my clients .
@stnluu
Жыл бұрын
I run hot wax, but one often overlooked cost and disadvantage is the need to replace the quick link. Even though I reuse them up top 2-3 times, they are technically single-use. True for SRAM and Shimano chains, at least.
@richardggeorge
Жыл бұрын
I have never had any issues with kmc or sram quicklinks lasting the life of my paraffin waxed chains 15,000-20,000km Edit: and I can put down 1500watt-bombs
@andrewbackhouse5828
Жыл бұрын
@@richardggeorge The KMC 12 sp chains say they are single use, when the 11sp and less say multi-use. Are you talking about a 12sp system?
@richardggeorge
Жыл бұрын
No issues 7,8,9,10 and 11spd Edit: I would only buy Chinese 12 spd, the rest are a rip off
@SILCAVelo
Жыл бұрын
I'd recommend using a drip wax like our SuperSecret every 200-300km in between hot waxings. If you only hot wax every 1000km you are getting 4000-5000km per quick link.
@JonCannings
Жыл бұрын
Fit a gold chain, the rest doesnt matter 😊
@andrewmcalister3462
Жыл бұрын
🤜🤛
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Anything for the bike vault 😉
@Robert_McGarry_Poems
Жыл бұрын
Try chainsaw chain...😂
@audimaster5000
Жыл бұрын
@@Robert_McGarry_Poems unfortunately chainsaw chains use ‘driver links’ that ride in the chainsaw’s bar channel. One would need to get the proper ‘pitch’ chain and the driver links need to be ground off before it’d work. Surely we’re not the only ones who thought it’d be hilarious to try and someone somewhere actually accomplished this. Lolz
@Robert_McGarry_Poems
Жыл бұрын
@@audimaster5000 Yeah, it does have it's problems...🤣 I will agree there, and no doubt humanity has already figured this one out somewhere...
@BRMCaptChaos
Жыл бұрын
Hands up, i was totally not into waxed chains, until i tried it. Reasons were using a slow cooker, faff and space, surely a wax supplier can offer a boil in the bag solution? But the benefits are blindingly obvious at the next clean. I cant say i've noticed the improvement in watts, or recognise when the chain needs redoing, but its clean. And thats cool.
@mellissanash7517
Жыл бұрын
He's right Zero friction' is great, a bit dry but great. Plus, the Zero Friction guy rides road, gravel, and MTB.
@kylieon51ststreet71
Жыл бұрын
Zero Friction Cycling aka Adam Kerin is a racist. Did you hear what he said about Hambini? ZFC also links to anti police websites on his youtube channel. He charges 200AUD for a dura ace chain dipped in parrafin wax and 'special powders' lol. He isnt even a good rider.
@johannesschneider2508
Жыл бұрын
A very in-depth view on drivetrain efficiency and lots of tipps that I took with me. One topic that I was wondering about is: If you start with a hot-waxed chain on an ultra event and you ad some wet lube later on, how do you proceed with chain maintenance after the event? Just cleaning and adding fresh hot-wax? What are your thoughts on that?
@ItsMe-ex2vu
9 ай бұрын
Josh really is incredible.
@kennethward9530
Жыл бұрын
GPS rerouted me around construction a couple weeks ago taking me right past Josh’s place of business, I waved hello on behalf of GCN watchers.
@larsthorderson423
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a deep dive on bearing types (steel vs ceramic) and oils vs greases. Seen some data suggesting bearing type is irrelevant but lubrication type is the key.
@TimWilliamsBikeRun
Жыл бұрын
I know he's not for everyone, but Hambini has at least one compelling video that sheds light on the nearly non-existent benefit of ceramic bearings for cycling applications. The low rotational speeds that come into play in cycling seem to not bring the benefits of ceramic into play. But do some research on sites that provide factual evidence and settle the matter for yourself.
@matteo.ceriotti
Жыл бұрын
A couple of shots at Muc-off there! And yeah, no more Muc-off bottles and tools on the bench behind!
@ISWYDTOR
Жыл бұрын
Been on the fence about hot wax, but the information here is giving me the confidence that it is the right choice for me, great video.
@joegamas1194
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love geeking out and learning about this topics, Yes Yes Yes more please, what an awesome video, thanks GCN
@polyrhythmia
Жыл бұрын
The use of more compact drivetrains does cause the chain to bend a bit more. Been using paraffin for forty years now. I would run two or three chains switching between them. Narrower chains don't seem to last as long. Lubrication has to be done more frequently, but with master link, it's not that bad. The Crock Pot I have takes a good hour and a half to melt the wax, but the temperature is bound to be much safer than direct melting.
@RobinT346
Жыл бұрын
Some great science nerdery going on here. I love it!
@_J.F_
9 ай бұрын
Unless you are a pro racer, or very high level amateur racer, I suppose the question is how much money and time is it worth spending on lubricating a chain to make it last longer when you can simply buy a new chain for basically very little money? (Yes, there is of course the friction reduction/power increase issue as well, but for us mere mortals I don't think these marginal gains will make any significant difference to be honest).
@LarryGraham7
Жыл бұрын
I'm a bit late, yes please for deep dive shows, and thank you.
@TimIrwin26
Жыл бұрын
Ran my last chain with a wax that doesn't have the greatest reputation for longevity, got 2200 miles (3500km) out of the chain. Currently running long intervals (1000 miles) with Silca wax and topping up with super secret lube along the way (200-250 miles). 2900 miles with no measurable wear yet, and very little hassle.
@SILCAVelo
Жыл бұрын
Great to hear Tim!
@Stefanosinf
Жыл бұрын
Such an amazing episode!!! Thanks!!!
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you liked it
@chrisridesbicycles
Жыл бұрын
Great in-depth talk that should have a follow-up Q/A.
@emmabird9745
Жыл бұрын
I don't race but I've been riding wax since last october, and I wouldn't want to go back to oil etc. Lower friction means faster, but it also means less effort for your speed so you can go further. As a bonus, there's less mess all round the bottom bracket etc.
@chrismadge7292
Жыл бұрын
Good video. Drive chains have in some ways got more inefficient in the quest for ever larger range of gears. The smallest sprocket on the back has dropped from 13 down to 10 teeth introducing inefficiencies in the highest gears. Ironic given the market for oversize pulley wheels.
@ebikescrapper3925
Жыл бұрын
I am surprised Shimano and SRAM have not bought a belt drive company or introduced their own version. It would have been a good move with the CUES system and also making the Alfine hub fit thru axles
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see in the future! For some more tech innovation, why not check out our 'Reinventing the wheel' doc on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/7DA
@CarlosParadaP
Жыл бұрын
Watching episodes like this makes me feel smarter hahaha Just like Alex, I didn't understand half of it but is cool anyway !!
@thomasdundon4093
Жыл бұрын
I guess my 3-pack of Finish Line wasn’t the purchase I was hoping for. 😂
@cb6866
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Abner , Oscar , and Josh...I learned a lot , but I'm OAF . I did get hot wax , a melter like the "A" man , and I've done one chain so far . I think the chain swap is a good idea as well , but...... I did play contact sports .
@russellbaker4256
Жыл бұрын
When a waxed chain first gets noisy it's not time to add lube on top - didn't know that
@full-english
Жыл бұрын
Listening to Josh’s marginal Gains podcast has opened my eyes to what I once thought of as inconsequential to now realizing just how much these little things have real advantages.. Ps. Is it the audio guys day off?
@jeffreylee5770
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't chain guards, those old and simple coverings, help reduce the amount of dirt that gets into the chains?
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Possibly! I'm sure someone out there has tested this at some point but could be a possible video for the future!
@robertmcfadyen9156
Жыл бұрын
I have reached the understanding that the best lubricants overall will have a small amount of synthetic components in them .
@pennyblue6372
Жыл бұрын
dear silca, just an idea on your sealant. can‘t you sell the carbon particles separately so we can put them dry in the open tire and the sealant then into the open valve?
@SILCAVelo
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Penny, unfortunately, loose, individual carbon fibers are much finer and lighter than a human hair and the slightest puff of air or slip of the hand could put thousands of them airborne when working with the material. We even looked at putting the fibers in a sort of 'Tide Pod' that would dissolve, but the real key to the manufacturing is coating each tiny fiber with the sealant as the two are introduced.. we continue to work on innovating in this space, but yeah, this one is a really hard problem to solve!
@frankharradence732
Жыл бұрын
A very enlightening and watchable video; more like this please.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Enlightened and watchable... that's GCN tech 😉
@peterago1082
Жыл бұрын
Silca & zero friction cycling made me a believer
@MS-bw7yt
Жыл бұрын
Flat top SRAM chain on the thumbnail for a video on chain efficiency, well..... :D
@josiahlomas2111
3 ай бұрын
Rock n roll Gold chain lube is the best Smooth effortless peddling heaven...
@kevindean9613
Жыл бұрын
That's it you've convinced me that a gates carbon drive belt& pinion is the way to go ,stuff the chain .😊
@kovie9162
6 ай бұрын
I'm not convinced that alternate drive methods can't be made to work just as efficiently as chain drive. Cars have much more complex transmissions and automakers have developed ways of making high precision parts that work under far more extreme conditions than bikes experience. It's just that the cost, weight and complexity make it impractical for bikes. But, it still seems worth pursuing, if for no other reason than that it could be fun, but also because who knows, perhaps someone will eventually come up with an alternate drive system that's cheaper, lighter, more efficient and more rugged than chain-based ones.
@tasdrouille
Жыл бұрын
Well Josh, since there are efficiencies to be found with larger surface areas in the 1/8" world I guess Silca has to come up with a chain! Because right now, nothing beats the best 3/32.
@kenneththomas3558
Жыл бұрын
Great video GCN. Thanks.
@You-Tuber2024
Жыл бұрын
I’ve just done my chain. It was waxed and wasn’t doing a very good job after some use. My process is to get a saucepan, boil some water. Drop the chain in. Swish it around. Take it out. Degrease it and then use brake cleaner which takes it right back to the metal. Then re wax. Used it yesterday and it was butter!!!
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Nice! Glad to hear you've got it perfected!
@ElevationEveryWeekend
Жыл бұрын
I have a lot of bikes, but have started the transition to the Silca drip wax. I ride varied conditions here in Colorado, including winter fat biking, so far so good. Eventually will go the immersion wax route more than likely.
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Do you think that drop wax is the best of both worlds? 👀
@ElevationEveryWeekend
Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech I have it on two brand new Borealis Fat Bikes I am testing here in Colorado. So far the Silca drip wax has been good both in some snow riding, and now in the dusty dirt we have. No black grinding paste after many rides! We’ll see how it does when I pop the chains off to thoroughly clean, and then reapply the drip wax. I am about to clean and add it to some others I have been using another “dry” lube on, which does have black residue apparent.
@user-rp6zq2og4s
Жыл бұрын
Great video, need more deep dives for the other internal parts of a bike
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Where should we head next? Brakes? Tyres? Frames? 🚲
@flynnstone3580
Жыл бұрын
I've been using Lemon Pledge furniture polish on my chains and sprockets for years now. It's also a good lubricant for the cables and other mechanisms. Great cleaner for the frame and tires, just don't polish the seat😮
@espenrosenquist6683
Жыл бұрын
Curious to know more about molten wax in cold and salty environments. Winter commuting eats a cassette and chain per season with wet lube.
@hisdadjames4876
Жыл бұрын
I find that 90% snake oil and 10% of grade A BS additive works best for most riders. Any more BS and its just pure marketing. Its really the snake oil that is time-proven for such complex applications😐
@kovie9162
6 ай бұрын
Do chains technically have bearings or bushings? Meaning, the rollers as they rotate around the pins. The pins I assume are technically bushings as they rotate inside the side plates. Just curious, nothing important. I have an engineering background so such things just interest me. Otherwise, I've finally come around to giving waxed chains a shot. I had no idea that they were that much better than any other kind of chain lubrication and figured that they were mainly only for bike fanatics. For years I've been using dry lube, specifically Dumond, which is quite good, but apparently wax is much better. I'm less interested in going faster or having marginally less drivetrain friction than in extending the life of the chain and drivetrain well beyond what I'm used to. But having a quieter, cleaner and smoother drivetrain is also a nice benefit, especially for indoor riding where noise can get annoying.
@Kim_Miller
Жыл бұрын
If you do a slow run through the 1:40 point, where we see the chain running over the rear cluster, you can see one link that looks to be binding on itself and won't articulate around the sprocket. It's only a fleeting moment, but surprising and ironic to see on this episode.
@paulridgers4676
Жыл бұрын
Looks like the rider was changing gear at that point.
@robertmcfadyen9156
Жыл бұрын
I hope that "CHORDAL RESONANCE" on small rear cogs was properly addressed .
@peterdobos1606
Жыл бұрын
Can you switch from dry/wet lube to wax in the middle of a chain's lifecycle? How clean does a chain need to be in terms of removing old lubricant and dirt? Will running it through a Muc-Off chain cleaner and rinsing it off do the trick, or should I start with a brand new chain? Thanks for this - it was super cool.
@fatladattheback8642
Жыл бұрын
I have done both with no apparent difference between the two methods. We have nine bikes between the two of us, they range from sexy carbon to clunky steel folding. My preference for cleaning is to remove the chain, and immerse it in a screw cap plastic bottle, two-thirds filled with white spirit, or any other cheap degreaser. Shake it, let it stand long enough for you to drink an espresso. Decant the liquid through a paper coffee filter into a second bottle. Keep this degreaser for the next time (I think mine is more than six years old now). Immerse the chain in the liquid wax. Initially, it might appear to be a lot of faff; however, the longer intervals between needing to give your chain some TLC soon begin to add up. The greater efficiency of your transmission is harder to measure, unless you have a power meter and accurate records of "before and after". After a year or two, you begin to realise how much longer chains and cassettes are lasting. The only negative I have yet to solve: when cycle touring, it is often necessary that our bikes are out in the rain while we are warm and dry inside our tent. Rust spots have appeared on our chains. The chains have plenty of wax where it is important: inside, on the rollers and plates. However, rust on my chain is a stain upon my soul!
@marcomongke3116
Жыл бұрын
There are spray based chain wax out there. How good are they?
@pablolopez584
Жыл бұрын
34 min of a drivetrain efficiency deep dive talk? Let's gooo for it! 😁
@gcntech
Жыл бұрын
Did you enjoy? 👀
@pablolopez584
Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech As I'd say in Spanish..Like a pig in a puddle! 😂
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