My plan for my next MW5 lance is to go for all Crabs, be they the Flea (a type of Crab) regular Crabs, or King Crabs.
@AnimeSunglasses
Жыл бұрын
@@downixif you're going 3100s, there's also now the 25-ton Hermit Crab!
@TheR00k
Жыл бұрын
Reject luxuries, embrace crustacean
@TheStrayHALOMAN
Жыл бұрын
I made a crab with 2 binary lasers and 2 er mediums... It was a monster and very cool since the rest of the tons goes to DHS.
@nemamiah7832
Жыл бұрын
Tbh, the main attraction of the HBK-4G is not it's ability to score deadly hits, but it's ability to generate a response from the OpFor. Like a less prone to dying instantly Saladin. It's not fast, it doesn't shoot far, it's hit or miss, but by Blake you can't just *ignore* it. You have to give it attention. Preferably a significant amount of attention. So in a normal usual fight, 4G is unlikely to achieve anything spectacular, unless it lands that golden shot. But it's very likely to shift the tactical situation in your favour if you position it just right - denying space to the enemy and forcing OpFor to either manoeuvre around 4G or allocate a lot of firepower to disable it (firepower that isn't concentrated on your other stuff, mind you). EDIT: Also, Swayback quite often struggles against *fat* targets. Unsurprisingly. It has way more potential damage that 4G and much more consistency with redundant weapon systems, but it often - in my experience - struggles to punch above it's weight. Which is the attraction of the 4G. But I do love Swayback dearly and use it, probably, more than 4G.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Mhmm very true on both points Commander! Everybody gangster til the AC/20 rounds start flying. And very true for the Discoback. It needs something to punch a hole first.
@baker90338
Жыл бұрын
I’d also argue the whitworth is a great mech, as you get the benifits of being a trebuchet which can actually jump, or a dervish which isn’t a cleverly disguised bomb.
@nemamiah7832
Жыл бұрын
@@baker90338 I personally have a soft spot for Whitworth. It's a "good enough" fire support mech, that works reasonably well and quite fun to field. I like to field them alongside Hatamoto-Chi for my DCMS Force prior and in the early CI.
@laz272727
Жыл бұрын
Hunchback is almost like a smaller Atlas in that regard. Enemy just can't help but fire on it.
@nemamiah7832
Жыл бұрын
@@laz272727 40k has a nice term for this type of units: "Distraction Carnifex". Draws attention, scary if left unchecked, probably will achieve nothing, will save your other stuff from being shot at and will win you positional advantage
@yoloman3607
Жыл бұрын
I love taking contracts fighting Liao, sure it is tough but the salvage is worth it and everyone loves you for doing it. Supporting a lance of Vindicators by fighting house lmao is basically living off the land for mercenaries.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
lol yeah. I honestly wouldn't mind fighting them just to salvage a few D:
@atmosdwagon4656
Жыл бұрын
Vindicator and Raven salvage is why I take missions against House LIao. Favorite light mech, and a really solid medium.
@HeadHunterSix
Жыл бұрын
"House Lmao" I love it.👍
@yoloman3607
Жыл бұрын
@@HeadHunterSix What is a great house that can’t build assault mechs but a joke?
@HeadHunterSix
Жыл бұрын
@@yoloman3607 I don't know that I'd call them a "Great" House. 🤣
@MichaelJCaboose013
Жыл бұрын
I'm so hyped for this. Such a good series. Thanks a ton!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
You're welcome Commander! Glad you enjoyed it!
@mouselurker7219
Жыл бұрын
Happy this list is here! As commander of the Red Sash mercenary group (est. 3010), I will share my experience. Despite being built around heavy lances, for the most part, there is at least one medium mech in every mech lance within the Sashes. In most cases, the medium mechs in the heavy lances are what you label a cavalry or scout mech, in order to give mobility and a bit of scouting ability to the lance. Due to a long period of time fighting the Capellans and being in or around the Free Worlds border, we have picked up a large number of Wolverines, most of them the WVR-6M variant. The Wolverines have been very effective. The Phoenix Hawk is a special mech, my highest scoring pilot used one for a period before upgrading to an Exterminator and eventually leaving to form our sister company the Gold Sashes. We do have a Wyvern in the company, but alas, it has never really done that well. I am not sure if it is bad luck or just not meshing well with the rest of the lance and the tactics used, but I feel the Wyvern really demands a top pilot to get much out of it. Not really a fan of the Griffin GRF-1N. I feel its all long range weapons and poor heat efficiency really let it down. In my experience, if you push in close and keep the pressure on the GRF-1N, it tends to fall apart. As far as custom variants from the Sashes go, a favorite is a custom variant of the Hermes II. We replace the AC/5 with a large and medium laser, with the remaining weight going to heatsinks. This dramatically increases the firepower of the stock Hermes II, while still leaving a long range weapon. Stay safe fellow mercenaries.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
o7
@TARINunit9
9 ай бұрын
I'm new to the Battletech franchise. Thank you very much talking slime for these awesome in-character breakdowns, it's been fun seeing how mediums and heavies try to form their battlelines
@HammerFell-
3 ай бұрын
it saddens me to know we'll never get more quality content like this
@WeOnlyEatSoup
24 күн бұрын
How come?
@NeroLordofChaos
8 күн бұрын
@@WeOnlyEatSoupMore or less retired from youtube due to irl stuff... community tab seems like he might be back soon-ish though.
@WeOnlyEatSoup
8 күн бұрын
@@NeroLordofChaos sad to hear love his content, hope everything is ok
@Kogdude
5 күн бұрын
This stuff has been such a help to me starting this game.
@Lieutenant_Dude
Жыл бұрын
This is such an excellent series. Really opened my eyes to the wide array of mech uses beyond just walk and shoot in mechwarrior games. I have a new appreciation for locusts, Phoenix hawks, and centurions.
@CryptkeyprVT
Жыл бұрын
I hope to someday see lists like these for all eras of play.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
:)
@EAfirstlast
Жыл бұрын
the content machine goes brrrrr
@ghoulbuster1
Жыл бұрын
I wish there was more content for the newer eras like the ill clans, I have seen the succession wars many times but have barely seen what happens after that.
@imasspeons
5 ай бұрын
@@ghoulbuster1 there's a few reasons for that but the primary one is that most people tend to play 3025 through the Clan invasion. To be honest, I've never found any of the subsequent lore to be particularly interesting and the glut of advanced systems and technologies (for me) removes many of the interesting choices I have to make as a player. DHS make heat management less difficult and weapons like the heavy PPC, clan ERPPC, and all the flavours of Gauss result in unit makeups that favour (at least, lean into) early headcapping. Introtech may be limited, but the limitations are fun to try to optimize.
@Swoozman
Жыл бұрын
Hot damn, I started following you last week and was hoping Id see a new upload. Your videos really helped me getting the basics of the game down! Thanks!
Another great video in this series. Love how you balance tabletop performance with lore snippets from the TROs. The zoom at 12:01 felt like a threat.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Hey Sven! Sorry I missed your message the other day. I responded but KZitem decided to assign it to someone else. D: Glad you're enjoying the series. And yeah I did have fun with the editing. Hope all is well with you!
@ALECOS44
Жыл бұрын
Great video! I think my medium list would match up nearly exactly, The Hermes 2 is very underrated for its role because of the "40 ton curse", but its a solid mech to add to any heavy recon force. Definitely nice to see the Centurion AL get some love, its one of my favorite mechs and among the best overall trooper mechs, cheap, respectable armor and damage, and most importantly a cool design!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video I do quite enjoy the look and design of the Centurion myself!
@TheColonialMarshal
Жыл бұрын
Great job again, Otto. It was worth the wait. Can't wait to see the Assault Mech group. 👍 My favorite is actually a modified CRB-27SL Crab. I remove the Medium Laser and one of the Large Pulse Lasers, replace them with a Snub-Nose PPC and 2 Small Lasers, add two Double IS heatsinks and drop down to 3 jump jets. Now I can jump and alpha strike without even gaining heat. I called him Fiddler.
@dakkath414
Жыл бұрын
Variants I've had good runs with that weren't covered: Sentinel -3KA, drops the ac for a large laser, some additional heat sinks, and most importantly: more armor. Hunchback 4H, swapping the 20 for a 10 and 2 more medium lasers is nice, but the best part is that it crit pads that ammo bomb in the left torso with heat sinks by moving them from the legs.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Heyyy good to see you again Dakka! The Hunchback 4H sounds decent enough as a bodyguard
@williamy3947
Жыл бұрын
As a grognard of the AC/5 mafia..... we still gonna need to make you swim with the fishes for that slander of the much "respected" Shadowhawk
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
I mean, you can try. But with an AC/5 as your main weapon? Good luck lol. 😎😎😎
@Sleepy0696
Жыл бұрын
I just got into battletech and love you stuff, really excited you made another tier list!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard Commander! Glad you enjoy them!
@ComfortsSpecter
Ай бұрын
Incredible Vibery Adorable editing Good work Thank You
@EndlessInfinity1
Жыл бұрын
Awesome work! As someone coming from hbs battletech, it's interesting getting a different perspective - specifically one that doesn't have Yang, the god of mechtechs, able to completely modify anything into anything. I'm very excited for the assault tier list, even if it's just so I can cry when my favs get low ratings, lol. Also, drunk slime doing a clan-only list would be funny just for you to shrug and go "they're omnimechs, just pick one" 😂
@dynamicworlds1
6 ай бұрын
Also one that has to deal with things like infantry
@ZacharyChristy-Aronson-wg5ki
6 ай бұрын
Appreciate the fact you rated some variants as well. I’ve often found a questionable mech in its standard form is much improved with a few weapons swapped.
@solidshot7849
Жыл бұрын
I think that's the most generous anyone has ever been about a Vulcan
@SirBroadsword
Жыл бұрын
He clearly enjoys mechs that stack a lot of medium lasers. To be fair, such mechs are certainly worth enjoying.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
the 5T is quite good!
@solidshot7849
Жыл бұрын
I’ll have to give it a shot sometime then. Never heard a good thing about it till now.
@magni5648
6 ай бұрын
Nah. The -5T was always a great design. Vulcan hate is entirely down to the -2T and the folly of putting on that AC/2.
@henryjones3232
11 ай бұрын
Ranking by c-bill and logistics fails to account for the most important factor in the analysis: 80% of games run by BV alone with only passing thought put towards fluff.
@HeadHunterSix
Жыл бұрын
I think the Centurion would rate better on the "12-round battle" criteria if one ton of ammo for the AC and the LRM were replaced with more armor - as it would have sufficient ammo with one ton each, rather than two (assuming the opening rounds are at long range, where the LRM is effective, but AC ammo is conserved).
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Yes very true! The Centurion does need more armor to perform.
@mardek503
Жыл бұрын
That and the rear facing laser moved to the front. I guess mwo spoiled me on that 😂😂
@BlueEyesGaming
Жыл бұрын
I have a surprising amount of love for the vindicator. In both battletech and mechwarrior games. The mech just seems to WORK. and has a surprising amount of flexibility for personality. IMO a better, more complete centurion. For once liao got that special sauce
@WolfHreda
6 ай бұрын
Liao doesn't have a whole lot going for them, but when they get it right, they get it really right. The Vindicator, Raven, and Cataphract are all proof that necessity is the mother of invention.
@z3r0_35
4 ай бұрын
Of each category, I'd say my favorites are the following: Bodyguard: Wyvern WVE-6N. Solid weapons and versatile loadout, rugged, and well-protected. Scout: Phoenix Hawk PHX-1D. Really easy to source parts for and a great command mech for scout and striker lances. Cavalry: Wolverine WVR-6M. It's got command capabilities, extended torso twisting, jump capability, and both piercing and crit seeking capability, what's not to like? Ranged Cav: Trebuchet TBT-5N. It's equally competent at most ranges, making it one of a few LRM boats that isn't totally screwed if caught without protection point-blank. Unique: Hunchback in general. Name a role, there's a Hunchback variant that can do it (except for scouting, unless you prefer to conduct recon Steiner style). It's also durable enough to be considered a "pocket heavy". For the base HBK-4G, the low ammo supply can be mitigated by using caseless ammo, which lets you double your ammo capacity for a very slight chance of jamming your gun. Honorable mention: Cicada CDA-3C. I would argue classing this variant as a scout is inaccurate, it's a sniper/skirmisher. Having a PPC on something that fast in 3025 is REALLY nice.
@lexington476
Жыл бұрын
7:54 oh you better believe we're doing it, I want a Clint and we're having a Clint 😎.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
D:
@sambauman69
Жыл бұрын
FINALLY! I've been waiting for this!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Hooray! Hope you enjoy it!
@frankb3347
Жыл бұрын
Yay! Been looking forward to the Medium overview video for some time. Thanks for creating this.
@Xagroth
Жыл бұрын
I confess I came here "just" for the crabs... But remained because of the disco hunchback! XD
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
🦀🦀🦀
@macrux152__8
Жыл бұрын
My fellow man, the disco Hunchie is just love. I would suggest also getting the OG Hunchie tho, dat ac20. It's like a larger brother of the trashca-Urbanmech.
@Xagroth
Жыл бұрын
@@macrux152__8 My med/light extended lance would be 2 Locust1Vb, 1 Phoenix Hawk 3K, a Crab 27b and a second Crab27b or a Wolvie6M. However, tournaments tend to enforce a limit of 6 mechs at most, capped at year 3055-3057, and 6k of battle value with only official mechs (else, my crabs would carry jumpjets...)
@gammafighter
Жыл бұрын
Always look forward to these. I'm sure I'll watch this one a dozen or so times as well. I think the biggest difference between how you analyze mechs and how I do would be that I put a lot of weight into the BV cost since I don't look at it in terms of a campaign. The Griffin has good armor and mobility, and I like the PPC and LRM 15, but it's one of the more expensive (in BV terms) medium mechs. So the BV per armor and BV per damage per round actually isn't that great. I struggle to put it into a lance because of the cost. As a comparison, the Trebuchet's armor is worse, but damage potential is better for about 180 less BV. The Wolverine is one where I need to lighten up a little. I normally love an SRM 6, but for some reason, I can't get myself to put a Wolverine in a lance. I really hope Catalyst Games Labs updates the Wyvern and makes a new mini. I love the Wyvern and the Vindicator both. They just seem cool to me. The biggest surprise to me is probably the Crab. I actually like the Crab, but I feel like it's irrational. I just like that you can throw two big piercing weapons in a lance for under 1150 BV. I feel like it's just shy of being great. Some jump jets or a few medium lasers or something. I'll have to take another look at it, taking your rating into consideration. I like the centurion for its low cost and AC/10. If I only have a little BV left for my last lance slot and I don't need something specific, I'm happy to throw a Centurion in. Finally, the Kintaro is one of those mechs that I love in theory, but I'm terrified to use. The armor is quite good for the BV cost and all those SRM 6s are very efficient for BV per damage. But there's just so much ammo. But this is another good example of why it's hard for me to use a Wolverine. For just ~80 more BV, you get triple the SRMs and 20ish more armor.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, for the analysis I wanted to do it more roleplay wise and decided to do C-bills instead of BV. I think it worked because of the addition fun of being able to immerse the viewer into the universe.
@nemamiah7832
Жыл бұрын
Biggest travesty of the Crab is lack of N/LP Quirk. It has to have it. It looks the part. But for some reason, Cauldron-Born gets it, while Crab doesn't. Absolute crime against Crabkind
@EAfirstlast
Жыл бұрын
@@nerdyOveranalyzed it's very fun :)
@PerennialSash
Жыл бұрын
Oh yes! Been waiting for this one!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Enjoy it!
@unoriginalusername7178
Жыл бұрын
12:04 That was either a last minute "wait it might not be that bad" rating change or a "oh god please don't throw me out the airlock commander" rating change.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
it was a "I know it would piss people off" but I couldn't stop from making the joke.
@plaguebearerbob8882
Жыл бұрын
Wooo! Been waiting for this!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Ayyyyy! At long last! Hope you enjoy it!
@eternalwind08
Жыл бұрын
"So the Centurion has a problematic AC/10 and Missile Launchers? Eh, out those go in favor of an AC/20 and that left hand is now a melee weapon" - some guy named Justin
@mechastophiles2118
Жыл бұрын
Having battle experience with just most of these (either piloting or working alongside/against), I can confirm that your rankings are pretty close to my experience. One note about the Shadow Hawk: while it isn't particularly good at anything, it can do a little bit of _everything,_ which is itself valuable in a small merc unit.
@nemamiah7832
Жыл бұрын
Best part about Shadow Hawk is the fact that it can comfortably support your other mechs at any range. Need to add a bit more shooting down range? Shadow Hawk. Need to add a bit more shooting close up? Shadow Hawk. It's not taking the first prize in anything at all, but it's a very versatile machine that is comfortable to pilot. You can put your greener guys inside and it's unlikely that they are gonna off themselves with failed PSRs.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Sounds good! We don't have to agree on everything Commander! We can deploy the Shadow Hawks if you want!
@mechastophiles2118
Жыл бұрын
Believe me, I'd rather take almost any other 55-tonner. It's more a case of "make do with what you've got," and Shadow Hawks are pretty easy to get
@doorcf
Жыл бұрын
This brings me life. Now I only lack the assault tier list so I don't immediatly die when I make a mercenary company. Also I find funny how much the new tech that came later saved some designs like the raven for the lights or the hatchetman here.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Ayy, it's on its way Commander! Then we'll start putting them together into lances, companies and battalions! Good eye on the grey helm stuff saving a few mechs that I condemned.
@doorcf
Жыл бұрын
@@nerdyOveranalyzed Nice! Also, small query (or two actually), once you finish with the the 3025 battlemechs are you going to follow with later era battlemechs or with 3025 combat vehicles or aerospace (or even infantry)? And do the wolf dragoons battlemechs don't count here because they're unique to the command/they haven't arrived yet?
@FoxxofNod
Жыл бұрын
I'll be real, I only just "hired" you and the task I have in mind is rather large but here it is. I want to expand our mercenary outfit to include a company of combat vehicles. Can you use your evaluation matrix to compare them and make some recommendations?
@DIEGhostfish
11 ай бұрын
Hatchetman's main issue is slapping an AC-10 on something so light.
@anja2792
2 ай бұрын
The wolverine 7K is quickly becoming one of my favorite close in backstabbing mechs.
@AzureIV
Жыл бұрын
Thank you little tactical slime for this breakdown.
@piprdakota
Жыл бұрын
What a happy surprise!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Huzzah!
@davidboeren2394
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this, thanks!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@Rendclaw
Жыл бұрын
I have been anticipating this weight class since you first started. Excellent breakdown. I think the very first time I played BattleTech I was driving a Hunchback. I had no idea what I was doing then, but I had fun. I have nothing but love for the Phoenix Hawk. I always had the MGs taken out for either more heatsinks or substitute them with SLs to make it a deadly flanker and backstabber. Pair it up with a dedicated heavy brawler and look out.
@xerty5502
Жыл бұрын
The funny thing about the phawk is that when ever I take the MG's I wish i had not the moment I take the varrient without them I find I desperately need them.
@ThatSlowTypingGuy
11 ай бұрын
N.O.: Shadow Hawk is an F Me: Hope you're ready to bid enough forces to back that up. N.O.: I mean C Me: I can live with that.
@castenmackerer3278
Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say, love your content. But....being a new mercenary command, couldn't we substitute some formations with ad hoc or mixed formations using vehicles instead? Plus, it's a bit more economical sound for a new mercenary command just starting out. Would like to see your analysis on combat vehicles if you could please.
@spencerjones841
Жыл бұрын
A solid modification to the dervish is to axe thr SRMs for 2 more medium lasers and swap the LRM-10s for a pair of 5s each and use the saved mass from that and no SRM Ammo to add 2 heatsinks and 2 tons of armor.
@ashton7742
Жыл бұрын
My crab lance has become a local horror to my friendly mercenaries
@Kitkat-986
Жыл бұрын
Every single one of my favorite medium mechs has at least one autocannon or PPC. It always causes me a little bit of pain when you dis on the ballistic versions of a mech I love, only to recommend the variant that replaces the guns with laser vomit. I don't hate lasers, but they aren't as visceral and satisfying. If your torso isn't full of enough high explosive to celebrate American independence day when a SRM crits your ammo bin, you aren't really getting the full Battletech experience.
@xerty5502
Жыл бұрын
Ac/5 are in a very very rough place there range bracket is a good one there heat to damage ratio is great but there weight to damage ratio is lacking. I personally feel the community hates on them far to much but despite that i have to admit that in mechs any way they are just to weight inefficient to be considerd good. They however do have a place in ice vehicles though if you can spare the weight the ac/10 is almost always better accept for aa duties were the ac5 is really good.
@Kitkat-986
Жыл бұрын
@@xerty5502 I use lots of light tanks, so I make pretty heavy use of the AC-5. I actually quite like the UAC-5 and LBX-5s on my custom mechs. The basic AC-5 is a little lacking on damage output though.
@xerty5502
Жыл бұрын
@@Kitkat-986 oh I use it a fair amount to and it is not the damage that kets it down its the damage to weight ratio. I actually like the ppc ac5 combo better then 2 ppc at least until double heat sinks show up then the base ac5 turns into trash
@Kitkat-986
Жыл бұрын
@@xerty5502 Pretty low BV cost though, so it's not all bad.
@xerty5502
Жыл бұрын
@@Kitkat-986 true enough though I do not particularly like bv it does not do a good enough job of setting comparative values it is better then any other metrics bt has ever used but still not good at all
@macrux152__8
Жыл бұрын
I have always been enraptured by the Hunchback mech. From the beloved 4G variant that turns it into a force to be reckoned with at close ranges, to the 4P variant that turns that right torso into laser-show-2023, I just can't help loving thay thing.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
yep yep yep it's great!
@xerty5502
Жыл бұрын
Any real thoughts on the other varrients I have seen the one with the I think 2 lrm 10 see some good use and unsurprisingly the one with the ac5 and 2 lrm 5 has performed badly the few times I have seen it in action
@macrux152__8
Жыл бұрын
@@xerty5502 you're picking the variants that tried to do everything. Hunchies work best when given a certain range/weapon to be good at, from a SINGLE ac20(who can knock out even HEAVY mechs) to a laser death show of medium lasers(to really make them focus fire on ya else be pelted with armour destroying lasers), Hunchback mechs WANT to be focused on, and not be in the back lines. Thus keeping attention off of the other mechs in it's lance.
@xerty5502
Жыл бұрын
@@macrux152__8 I acualy like the one with the 2 lrm 10 I think it is the second best hunchie in my opinion first being the ac20. The disco is better on paper but just never holds up on the field in my experince and does not have the intimidation value of the ac20
@macrux152__8
Жыл бұрын
@@xerty5502 While I must agree that the ac20 is the OG of being focused fired upon, I must disagree on the disco-laser-hunchie, I have used it on my lances quite a lot, and it does it's job helping out whatever frontline mech I have(usually a Thunderbolt or a Banshee), it keeps the damage high in close quarters, and if need be, it'll be a good fallback point when the Brawler mech needs some rest. What the Hunchback 4P doesn't do however, is be the flanking mech(something most people expect from a mech with THAT many lasers on), it's a good support mech, you take out whatever it's supporting and you're tantamount to get the Hunchie to fail. Heck even that version with LRM's is a good one, since it does it's role well, it's a discount Trebuchet, but tougher, so punchbot it'll be when the lrm's lose ammo.
@kazekamiha
Жыл бұрын
I honestly like the Centurion; it's a good, solid mech and you can customize it quite a bit. I like dropping the LRMs for an SRM6, more armor and a closer range brawl.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
It's a solid mech if you customize it! The concept is really good, but the original design just needs some tweaks.
@kazekamiha
Жыл бұрын
@@nerdyOveranalyzed Oh, no doubt! I'd call it my favorite Medium, overall.
@silverhawk7324
8 ай бұрын
Would love to see how much damage a lance of high tier medium mechs could do to Wallstreet and New York city before they were defeated. Excellent video
@RichardH72
Жыл бұрын
Appriciate all the hard work you put in crunching the numbers. You are worth every c-bill!
@doc_havoc00heavywing37
Ай бұрын
17:29 all hail the king of Disco, mech fu never dies, lol
@AGS363
Жыл бұрын
There are two groups of Mechcommanders: 1. Those who love the Crab 2. Those who do not know it yet.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
🦀🦀🦀
@phillipjones911
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant work!!!!! I cannot express how well done your videos are, they inspire me to strap in and blow chunks of armour off💥
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad it was helpful for you Commander! o7
@magni5648
6 ай бұрын
The VL-2T Vulcan is kind of a victim of gameplay vs fluff disparity IMO. That AC/2 should realistically be a terror against infantry rather than an ineffectual plinker, enabling it to just one-sidedly slaughter most infantry when meeting them in terrain open enough to give it a line of fire that makes use of that range. That'd make it a highly specialised design, but one that absolutely would perform well in the role it was built for. The realities of the Succession Wars still mean it's going to struggle a lot, but it wouldn't be a complete flop. As for the Shadow Hawk... really all it needs is to do to become an outstanding cavalry mech is ditching that SRM-2 and its ammo for a pair of medium lasers.
@brother_able4592
5 ай бұрын
Can't wait for your assault review
@RincetheWind
Жыл бұрын
Do you factor in the heatsinking capability? Because some few mechs like the HBK 4P (already S) and the TBT 5S stand out here. The TBT doesn't have the armor to slug it out in the battle line, but it can consistently put out more damage than a lot of heavies because it has the heatsinks to fire all its weapons all the time. Very few introtech mechs can do that and most of those are wasting tonnage with an ac 5.
@SirBroadsword
Жыл бұрын
It's such a shame there's no advanced tech Discoback variant.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Yes they were factored into the Offense section of the analysis! You're quite right about the HBK and the TBT!
@fernandozavaletabustos205
10 ай бұрын
A great balance between speed, armor distribution, weapon allocation and cost!
@shadekerensky3691
Жыл бұрын
So good to see my girl, the Lancelot, shown off as the great 'Mech that it is.
@gigastrike2
Жыл бұрын
As frustrating as it is that it can't fire all of its main weapons at once, it still has better firepower at all ranges than the Crab, and with better armor. It's just slower.
@SirBroadsword
Жыл бұрын
@@gigastrike2 If custom designs are allowed, you can replace the PPC with a third large laser and add two heat sinks. Still not heat neutral, but can cycle fire like an Awesome does. Very fun.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Ayyy someone else likes the Lancelot! Nice
@thepiratepenguin4465
4 ай бұрын
12:00 I created my own version of the Sahdow Hawk called the Sniper Hawk. CCP with 2x LRM10 & 1x LRM5. With the jump packs removed, the fights from a distance, pounding the enemy & allowing faster mechs like the Puma or Firestarter to flank. I all so have a Centurion with a similar loadout.
@benparker2522
Жыл бұрын
all your videos are so good, thanks again!
@OffToBattle
Жыл бұрын
Excellent, excellent video. I learned a lot, and while I've never been able to be a tabletop man, I found it fascinating how mechs that seemed cursed in Mechwarrior 5 or the Battletech PC game... were cursed in tabletop too! Educational and that speaking slime animation is very distracting, not in a bad way.
@lukasz.adamski
4 ай бұрын
Very valuable lessons.
@JasonBokowski
6 ай бұрын
Loving your content! Just getting into battletech. Any chance we get the next tier list soon?
@NeroLordofChaos
8 күн бұрын
The Clint really needs a bit more love, especially since it's better as a light skirmisher or anti-scout than as a pure scout itself. paired with a Hermes II and you have a fairly effective bully pair for dealing with lights or whittling down larger mechs
@TAVAAR7
Жыл бұрын
Lol, I can just see the bewildering look of denial on Big Reds face at giving the Shadow Hawk a C.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Eject all the ammo and go full melee!
@TAVAAR7
Жыл бұрын
@@nerdyOveranalyzed I know its past 4th of July here in the US, but who doesn't love fireworks anytime of year...I say leave the ammo in and go give the enemy hugs that go boom with bright colors 🤣
@dunethewanderer8944
8 ай бұрын
I've had nothing but regrets running the Cicada, Clint, and Assassin. I remember doing a joint op and the other commander had their Assassin lose a flank to a Panther. That whole fight was a wash. That's not even getting into the Cicada's horrible habit of getting legchopped.
@Dracobyte
Жыл бұрын
Great tier list!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you think so!
@kareemsmith5304
6 ай бұрын
I really like this, good job!
@GliderBane
Жыл бұрын
I won't fight you on your rankings of the 40 ton Cicada and Assassin, but most people forget they were designed to scout and fight the most common scouts; Locusts, Stingers, and Wasps. I think they do a good job of this and they can outrun most of their other opposition. I personally love the Cicada 3c. Having one running around in the rear, long range sniping at the backs of heavy mechs, while at full tilt, really disrupts most peoples plans. Even better if you can just strip off the bullet poppers and add more armor.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
They can outrun things for sure! I'm not sure I would pay the cash for them but I'm sure you could make them work if you had a few pilots who came with them!
@PrudentMantis
Жыл бұрын
One thing I like doing for bodyguards when operating on the Davion-Liao border and short on Vindies is to salvage Liao Blackjacks, cobble together a functional arm for one, and part-buy (or salvage) a Davion Blackjack arm for the one I didn't manage to build. Little bit of tinkering, some reinforcing of the AC arm, and a third-hand AC/5, and you can build something pretty decent, with an AC/5, Large Laser, and two Medium Lasers, as well as reinforcing the cooling loop a little. You can pull the Jump Jets for some more sinks, ammo, or armour, or leave them if you want, either works. But if you pull them, you can fit a second ton of ammo (I recommend flak - the 5 doesn't have the range of the 2, but the damage is far more respectable),and either another sink or thickening up the armour to nearly the max the chassis can carry. Of course, the Vindicator and Wyvern are superior if you're going the salvage route and the Centurion-AL and Discoback more than serviceable if you have the cash for newbuilds, but sometimes you don't have the cashflow for a shiny new (second-hand) mech and the opfor fails to provide what you really want, so it can be a decent way to make something functional out of a mech that's not a full-on LEMON, but certainly tends to have a lemon-scented air-freshener in the cockpit free of charge. If you can get Centurion-ALs though, for the love of Blake pull that right-arm Small Laser and shave off some armour to replace it with the workhorse Medium Laser, as well as flip the rear ML to face forward, please. Similar for the Vindicator, though for that I just rip the Small and its housing out entirely to try to give the poor bastard piloting it a better chance of ejection, and use the freed-up tonnage for some extra armour. The Shadow Hawk CAN be decent, but it basically requires welding half a -K2 to half a -2H or -2D. The Kuritans HORRIBLY oversinked that thing, and if you can pull some of the unneeded sinks in favour of the SRMs and MLs of its other variants it can surprise you, with a decent long-range punch with the PPC and *maybe* also still the LRM-5, and then a good short-range band of mixed MLs and SRMs. Just... try to fit the last two JJs. It's a disgrace that a supposed cav mech doesn't have a full JJ fit. YMMV on whether the manhours are worth it, but if you have a couple absolutely WRECKED SHawks of different variants and not many options... BELATED EDIT: Also, I think there's something to be said for a Hunchie-4P refit that pulls the SL, three of the MLs, and six Sinks for a Blazer and a half-ton of extra armour. Sure, you have to bracket-fire, but you've got a medium-range headcapper and then still five MLs at short range to exploit all the lovely holes you blew in them while trying to hit the cockpit. Other option is to make it a refit of one of the variants like the -4J or -4N, with both a decently-heavy RT energy loadout and some RT missiles, and have only two MLs, a Blazer, and a six-pack of SRMs. Holepunching and critseeking either way, your choice whether you prefer the flexibility of SRMs or the brutal efficiency of MLs!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Huzzah for frankenmechs!
@VD913
Жыл бұрын
As a dedicated Hunchback/Discoback/Wolverine/Crab veteran of Tukayyid 2015, it warms my heart to see my experiences against the Clans validated. Mediums weren't really appreciated until that approaching Mad Cat got cored out from behind by a surprise AC20.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! Happy to hear they worked for you against the Clans! o7 I have yet to challenge them properly myself.
@3rdcain356
3 ай бұрын
i never knew i need an ember slime to explain my mech bais, but here i am - so fire away
@DIEGhostfish
11 ай бұрын
There's also the Saint Ives vindicator which has the long range weapons of a Wyvern but no SRM6 so it's a bit overcooled and undergunned.
@rangerousdave
Жыл бұрын
HBK-4SP is a 3025 design as well. Doesnt have the raw pancake power of the 4G, but has slightly higher (45 vs 43) damage potential than the disco-bot.
@hideshisface1886
11 ай бұрын
Centurion is a classic, and I want to love it, but beyond the shield arm, I find it hard to use without some extensive modifications - basically going full on Yen Lo Wang. Blackjack, I like - it is an easy mech to overlook, I think, and it benefits from being deployed in numbers. AC-2 is horrible against anything but the lightest mechs and armour, but the mech itself is mobile, has jump capability and 4 MLs are nothing to laugh at. I do enjoy the Vindicator, due to it being a decent sniper, but I find its incredibly unfocused weapon loadout weird. If not for decent protection and a PPC, it would be basically a Shadowhawk clone. Still, probably the most versatile design if you also want jump jets along. Speaking of Shadowhawk - a weird soldier mech design. It can't really deal much damage on its own. It is a classic, but it has some of the smallest weapons of each category - it can do it all... but nothing well. But at least it will last, which is an admirable quality for a medium mech. And it does not sacrifice mobility. A bit like a Blackjack, it is best used in numbers. Griffin - I find it overly specialised for what it does. Now two mechs that I can always recommend - Hunchback and Crab. Hunchback is a beast that, depending on variant can do just about anything... AND DO IT WELL enough. AC20 variant is a thing that can't really be ignored no matter what weight bracket we are talking about. The laser vomit Hunchie is a horrible abomination that shreds anything lighter than itself, and opens other targets for damage. There are also lurm variants, if memory serves me right. You can have a hunchback for pretty much every possible role, maybe except scouting and jumping around. And Crab - fast, agile, easy to maintain, if I remember - a good merc company pick. A fast, not terribly protected, and with a very good punch. we are talking about dual large lasers and basically no heat issues. These things are hilarious - sniping and running around both - very good skirmisher mechs that can somewhat work on the frontline when necessary.
@Oiniane
Жыл бұрын
My poor poor Cicada. The weakest link of my chicken walkers. D: Lovely video though!
@Linkous12
Жыл бұрын
Glad the Lancelot scored well. Never understood the criticisms of it. It's probably my favorite 60-tonner, along with the Merlin.
@9171paladin
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@operkoi8954
Жыл бұрын
I have a chronic problem. I am determined to make the assassin into something useable. Had some success (that might have been a fluke) swapping out the LRM 5, SRM 2 and 1 ton of ammo for 2 srm 4s with 1 ton of ammo total on the 101 and running it like a faster javelin and lightswatter
@Psychohistorian42
11 ай бұрын
I get some mileage out of the Assassin in the HBS game, thanks to the targeting bonus it gets. I never tried it on tabletop, but swapping out that LRM for an SRM is a solid plan.
@StarlightSocialist
9 ай бұрын
The Assassin's weapon load out has always confused me. You've got a fast, jump capable 40 ton mech . . . .and you give it a missile-skirmisher weapon set? (My favorite mech is the stalker, btw). One, the assassin isn't suited to that role. Two, it's way too light to have weapons split in a long range group and a short range group. That's a good choice for heavier designs when heat is the limiting factor, not tonnage. Totally baffling. So, what should it have instead? What is the assassin's identity? Well, it's a fat light mech. Since it still goes fast, this wastes tonnage compared to a 35 ton design, but gives you more structure points, potentially more armor, and most of all, more damaging physicals. So whatever weapons it's got, it should keep its arms and legs free. This things job is to jump behind a target, and well, assassinate them. SRMS are a good weapon, but they trade raw damage for range and utility. 2 SRM fours give a max of 8 individual hits. You know what else does this? 8 small lasers. Same weight as the SRMS too! Trade the one ton of srm ammo for a heatsink, medium laser, or armor.
@JCDadalus
Жыл бұрын
I like how you call us Commanders :D
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
o7
@Lieutenant_Dude
Жыл бұрын
Salvaged a Griffin 1N and a Phoenix Hawk 1. They’re my go tos for my medium lance.
@nickhoc8853
Жыл бұрын
The fake out on the Shadow Hawk was great
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
lol glad you enjoyed!
@EvilDMMk3
Жыл бұрын
Love me a Discoback.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Yeeee, it's really strong and really consistent! I need to use it more!
@imasspeons
Жыл бұрын
Who doesn't?
@thepiratepenguin4465
4 ай бұрын
2:46 the Blackjack is all so the starting Mech in the PC game Battletech, I found that having 2x L Lasers, 2x M lasers & 2x S Lasers, makes it a far better at fighting other Medium mechs.
@lesbianmorgoth652
Жыл бұрын
this is the perfect channel to discover as i'm getting into battletech, such good content! especially as i'm thinking about starting a solo mercenary campaign in 3015 to learn the game haha. now to figure out my first 12 mechs :3
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard Commander! I got my start in 3015 too. The Marik Civil War is great! What sorts of questions did you have?
@lesbianmorgoth652
Жыл бұрын
@@nerdyOveranalyzed probably too many questions that i just don't know yet aha. i think the main thing i'm stuck on is just how many of each type of mech would a beginner company have? i was thinking of doing a all light scout lance, an assault and light lance for face-breaking and backstabbing, and a mixed lance for versatility, but i'm not sure if that makes "sense" from the perspective of the succession wars screwing all of the things. i know, not the most hard hitting question ever, but logistics is hard enough when you've got a proper military supply, i can't imagine how bad mercs have it! its kinda funny because i've already got who i want to fight sorted, but my own forces are stuck!
@nemamiah7832
Жыл бұрын
@@lesbianmorgoth652 Check out Chaos Campaign rules. They are free, easy to pick up and easy to use for solo play.
@lesbianmorgoth652
Жыл бұрын
@@nemamiah7832i will, thank you! i've definitely got some ideas in mind regardless, but proper rules would be super useful lol
@nemamiah7832
Жыл бұрын
@@lesbianmorgoth652 Chaos Campaign rules are very abstract and are a very useful building block for whatever thing you are homebrewing. A variant of those rules was used for Battle of Tukayyid campaign book, focused on PvP. But you can easily adapt them to solo-play. With abstract or distinct OpFor. Pretty much whatever you want to do. Just pick what you like from them and go from there. I, personally, use them for solo campaigns in MegaMek to simplify the accounting, because I can't be bothered with keeping the spreadsheet for all of the parts. Pay points - fix mech.
@HaykInWonderland
Жыл бұрын
I can watch this adorable dollop talk about mechs all day
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
:D Thank you! Glad you're enjoying!
@TheAchilles26
Жыл бұрын
Definitely agree that the CN9-AL is better off than the CN9-A. Depending on the extent of refitting allowed (table variance and all that), I feel like all the Centurion variants should move the LRM10 and its ammo to the right torso. That and drop a ton of LRM ammo for more armor.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Yep! I do think more armor would be good for the Centurion!
@luthorcorp0
10 ай бұрын
Do you plan to make an Assault Mech Tier list?
@zraal3759
Жыл бұрын
The hunchback 4G and 4P make excellant partner mechs. One problem with the 4G is that it scares opponents and if not accounted for can lead the mech to being usless by being focused down or ran from. If accounted for allows for some control over opponent's movment. The hardest quality to quantify is the physiological affect some units have, be it ignored or feared. For example, Charger 1a1 is largly ignore untill it charges a mech and punts it off the map, off a high elevation, or into water. Berserker is on thr other end of the scale it is feared. Due to the 20 to 40 point axe it is target down and ran from. The whitworth 1s is a good varient. Little low on armor for a close range mech, but jump jets help a lot. The problem is that it is rare. Would be easer to retrofit a WTH-1 to 1S loadout then to find a stock 1S.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Yep, the terror of going up against an AC/20 mech is pretty strong lol.
@thepiratemongoose8965
Жыл бұрын
Always nice to see the Phoenix Hawk getting the love that it deserves. And the Shadow Hawk relegated to the garbage bin where it belongs
@IamHattman
11 ай бұрын
There was a strong point in favor of the Hunchbacl 4G that was ignored here. Its a very eloquent arguement as well. It goes something like this: Alaca-blam!
@darkspire91
Жыл бұрын
A simple but effective refit for the Dervish is to swap out one of the LRM-10s and a ton of ammo for an SRM-6 and use the extra 3-4 tons for armor and a heatsink or two. You can even shift the ammo around and have one of its SRM-2s carry inferno missiles if you're feeling cheeky.
@Hy93Ri0n
Жыл бұрын
THE SLIME RETURNS!!!!
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
Hello!!!!
@VarrickThrae
Жыл бұрын
I can confirm that crabs are freaking awesome
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
🦀 🦀 🦀
@charlesgideon8056
Жыл бұрын
The crab... Is... perfection... Agree 100% (please ignore my edits)
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
🦀🦀🦀
@crackedjabber
Жыл бұрын
An excellent tier list. But you are wrong about the Shadow Hawk. It is perfect in all things... at least with the right customization. Drop the AC, pick up a large laser in it's place. Upgrade the SRM to a 4 pack which still fits in the head, add the missing jump jets, and increase the armor. It's better at splitting the difference between the Griffin and the Wolverine. It can still hit all the range brackets to help in any fight, it has maxed out armor for durability, and each side torso has only a 20% chance of the boom. It doesn't have quite enough heat sinks, but enough to give it some sustain. It's the design the Shadow Hawk should have had. We'll dub it the Shadow Hawk Slime-X1
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
I do like the Large Laser upgrade, my Shadow Hawk video suggests a refit that's somewhat similar to the one you suggested! Unfortunately for this video I decided to do an analysis just on the original varients.
@budthespud3226
Жыл бұрын
@@nerdyOveranalyzed I've gotten way more use out of Shadow Hawks then Griffins in my Medium to Medium/Light lances. Unless I have a Star League era Griffin, all other variants get immediately sold/scraped. This is coming from BTA 3062 gameplay, and I have never had satisfactory results from Griffins.
@77professional
Жыл бұрын
@@nerdyOveranalyzed I have had great results by removing the extra heat sinks, bringing the jump jets to five, installing a second medium laser on the left arm and replacing the SRM-2 with another LRM 5. Heat management becomes something you finally have to think about but you have a very versatile mech for 3025. At long ranges you have 10 LRM shots and an AC5. For in close you have two medium lasers backing up the AC5. It really benefits from having another non ammunition dependent weapon. Pair it with a Griffin for extra fun.
@killerpeaches7
Жыл бұрын
I think you confused "Bodyguard" with "Trooper". Enforcer, Centurion, Vindicators are Troopers, while the Bunchback is a Bodyguard/Juggernaut.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
I've always been confused by the term Trooper and never have really used it in my analysis. To me it's not very descriptive to a player as what that role fills. What does the Trooper role mean to you? What job does it fill and how is it different than the bodyguard role?
@keeshuunedited5678
Жыл бұрын
11:54 I mean, it certainly feels like the shadow hawk is an F sometimes! I honestly can't tell if this was just an accident, a joke about people overhyping the Shadow Hawk, or both =p On a side note: All hail the crab! I always liked it for it's looks, but it being really good is just the cherry on top. I kinda like it being rare because that means when I do get it, I will treasure it so much more!
@Psychohistorian42
Жыл бұрын
The 5M refit from 3048 is slick as hell, though. Instant missile boat.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
It was a joke lol. The Shadow Hawk can be used as a decent shock troop. Just run it into melee and kick things. xD Yeah! I'm happy the Crab came out on top!
@cargo_vroom9729
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the Shadowhawk 2H is almost spectacularly unimpressive. It has issues very similar to the ones people have no trouble condemning the Assassin or Vulcan for. It's just bigger. It kicks and punches pretty well, but half its armament has minimum ranges.
@nerdyOveranalyzed
Жыл бұрын
yarp
@Mythrowaway99
5 ай бұрын
The biggest problem with the Shadowhawk 2H is the same one that makes the Assassin so undergunned: the LRM-5 and SRM-2 are supremely tonnage-inefficient when you factor in ammunition. The two combined are three tons of weapon with two tons of ammo-- the equivalent of packing seven tons of ammo for a single LRM-20. If the mech had picked either LRMs or SRMs, it could have had two LRM-5s or two SRM-4s; either would be a firepower upgrade and give the mech a defined role. Instead, it tries to do everything, and consequently fails at everything.
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