Jeff, Thank you for your honesty in who sent you what and how things were paid for. That’s very refreshing in this space and shows you value your audience
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
It's not even legal to _not_ disclose things. Sadly, many creators aren't up-front about where they get things. Honesty's the best policy... and the best way to ensure the FTC doesn't have to get involved haha.
@bretb8403
29 күн бұрын
@ave14401 im not sure who you see doing that on here, but that would be an easy way to lose your channel/sponsor/pay a fine. But if its someone who kept on repeatedly not disclosing advertisers, I wouldn't be surprised if they got locked up...
@ave14401
29 күн бұрын
@@bretb8403 i see it all the time. with small-medium sized channels its hard to spot or enforce so a lot of people get away with it.
@JeffGeerling
29 күн бұрын
@@ave14401 Sadly, this is the case-honest sponsors actually state the requirements in a contract they'll have a creator sign. But there are a lot of dishonest sponsors too, who don't tell creators to do that, and hope any fallout doesn't touch them.
@justinsheppherd1806
3 ай бұрын
"All's well that ends in "Not A Fire"" - a motto to live by.
@magicmanchloe
3 ай бұрын
This is my new favorite quote
@sloth0jr
3 ай бұрын
My wallet wishes I had never discovered your channel ... keep up the great coverage of your SBC adventures, you play in the same space I'm interested in.
@djneo92nl
3 ай бұрын
“I don’t need a cluster” “What would I use it for” “It’s just gonna be running some bullshit” I so really want one
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
This is the way.
@shapelessed
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Why not walk both ways?
@techdatamexico4530
3 ай бұрын
First, I completely agree with you. I think this is amazing, just to learn how to build an HPC System, and to see how it works.
@RileyJohnson37
3 ай бұрын
I'm in that boat! I have quite a few Libre Computers and Pis, but also small PCs sitting around waiting for projects, while also having a large NAS which sits on top of a Dell Poweredge... The NAS gets use very very regularly, but not all the SBCs or the Dell.
@choppergirl
3 ай бұрын
But it will run.... whatever. As in, nothing you want to do. I'll stick to my 7950x. I would be more interested in a lower powered NAS board with just the 4 nvme drives on it or better, loaded with SATA ports.
@chrisl2656
3 ай бұрын
Break out the soldering iron and swap the direction those power leads exit the PSU board. No more fan-blade jeopardy, no more stressing of the board connector.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
True. May do that before I move the mini rack into its final location.
@ratage
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for showing the debugging steps with the cluster, including how to see which pod had stalled and finding error logs using "describe". You can watch 100 happy path tutorials without ever seeing these things.
@TechnoTim
3 ай бұрын
As soon as you said pod was pending and you were using nfs I said to my self "nfs-common". Great video!
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Haha if you know, you know. Usually you go down every other avenue and then the 100th google search you get a path that leads to a solution. I got lucky in this case and skipped the first 99 dead ends!
@TechnoTim
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling I've integrated that into my playbooks because Longhorn Storage Class uses it. Took me a while to figure that one out!
@grizz_sh
3 ай бұрын
The RK1 boards are crazy fast! I have two of these TuringPi 2 boards, running 2 RK1s and 2 CM4s each. A sort of P-module, E-module configuration. 92GB of RAM and 82 GHz of CPU. I use Hashicorp Nomad to orchestrate tasks using a combination of the Docker and Exec drivers. Ceph to manage the persistent volumes. Soon I'll be able to retire my power-hungry my Dell R710s in favor of a system that draws < 200W. Couldn't be happier with the results!
@wskinnyodden
3 ай бұрын
That rockship kicks butt, I can tell, I have a NanoPC-T6 powered by that baby, it ROCKS!
@electrofreak0
3 ай бұрын
Yo, Only Fans reveal at 11:12!
@cv990a4
3 ай бұрын
That would be one scary channel ;-)
@Yuriel1981
3 ай бұрын
I always snicker when I see the "Only Fans" container.
@jfan4reva
3 ай бұрын
When my son was in cub scouts, he sold popcorn like all the scouts did. We borrowed a wagon to put the popcorn in, and found a cardboard box that fit perfectly! As I was walking behind him I realized that we'd have to ditch the cardboard box. It was one that we got at the local library book sale (They were selling unpopular books to make room for more books.) Written across the back of the box someone wrote "ADULT BOOKS" in large letters. That phrase has a completely different meaning outside of libraries. Lol!
@demirk.7358
3 ай бұрын
Man i really hope that Raspberry Pi prices comes down to a reasonable level, so that us enthusiast can do stuff like these
@touma-san91
3 ай бұрын
It won't. But I do recommend considering getting it either used or older gen like Raspberry Pi 3 for example which is lot cheaper than Pi 4 or 5, especially if you don't need the performance of those.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Pi 3 or Pi 4 (or even Zero 2W) are probably the sweet spot for value in the Pi lineup right now. If they release a 2GB Pi 5 for $40, that would be a great value.
@MichiganPeatMoss
3 ай бұрын
appears to be heading in the right direction. :)
@fstemarie
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling That's be like putting a v4 in an old muscle car. We all know that we don't build these things because we need them. We build them because we NEED them
@smolapril
3 ай бұрын
> corpo enshitification enters the chat
@BeepDog
3 ай бұрын
I have one of these, and it is spectacular! I couldn't afford to get 4x of the 32gb nodes, but I have two of em. They are heckin nice.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
It is nice to have x86-level performance in the same power footprint as a Pi!
@SalvatorePellitteri
3 ай бұрын
this stuff does not make sense when for this price you can buy 3-5 mini pc with 8 core ryzen cpus. you don't have to deal with arm specific software and the performance are 10 times faster.
@jackdoolittle165
3 ай бұрын
Rule of cool means this is better
@DigisDen
2 ай бұрын
And probably consumes 10 times the power.
@AxionSmurf
2 ай бұрын
I agree with you. My co-workers are all about SBCs but it doesn't make any sense to use them most of the time. When it does make sense are mobile applications like car and boat PCs, and remote stations that are powered by solar and nighttime battery banks. I don't know what you'd use a cluster for in a remote application. In a fixed site it would probably be better to point to point wireless to a place with more cost-effective high power output and use regular processors. An 11 year-old Ivy Bridge Xeon 2S can crush the compute performance of this entire cluster. But presumably someone needs them for something, or they would go out of business quickly.
@xbelthesarx
3 ай бұрын
Really seems like the Turing Pi board could benefit from having a switch chip. Even if you still only had 1 Gb or 2.5 Gb connectivity to the external network, having a 40/80Gb switching fabric between nodes would make something like Ceph internal replication or any node to node comms in the cluster much better. Of course, having a 10 Gb SFP+ would also be ideal, since so much 10 Gb fiber gear is plummeting in price these days, and might obsolete the need for finding another big chip and traces on the board, so that might the smarter play.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
I do hope they do a Turing Pi 3, where they maybe bump the price a little, but include some features that will let the board really go all-out on performance. The problem is as the price of the board sneaks past $200, $300, or more, the audience gets even more limited :(
@xbelthesarx
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling I hear you, but I think this space could do with some better comms around what makes sense and what you _can_ do with these platforms. Like, a 4 node cluster on the Turing Pi 2 at $1500 does not make sense for most home lab operators and especially not the folks running single purpose GPIO heavy configs, but $1500-2000 for a 4 node Ceph backed lightweight k8s platform with a slough of groupware appliance containers is a stellar HA homelab / business server in a single box. For the load of businesses I know trying to de-SaaS their OpEx while still looking for a reliable solution, this is barking up the right tree for sure.
@DigisDen
2 ай бұрын
In my m.2 slots I now have adapters that go to a 10Gb single network card. I have proxmox on each node and the 10Gb is being used for iscsi for the vms/containers. Its working great.
@nekomasteryoutube3232
3 ай бұрын
That little mini rack thingy is rather neat. I wonder if one could make a small easy to move server with a rack for compute, a rack for storage, a switch, and if there is such thing, a UPS.
@TT-it9gg
3 ай бұрын
Excellent! Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the new base board with 10GbE.
@rmcdudmk212
3 ай бұрын
These cluster boards keep getting cooler and cooler. Not sure what i would do with one but it would be cool to play with.
@HksF16
3 ай бұрын
Red shirt seems calm in this video.
@JK-mo2ov
3 ай бұрын
The 32GB Turing is still less than the price to upgrade to 32GB Ram in a Mac.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Ouch. So true it hurts!
@CheapSushi
3 ай бұрын
I just like how it looks, a compact blinkenlights thingy. So cool.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Heh, I need to make a Mini ITX board with just tons of little LEDs around random circuits and chips, that blink in random patterns. The Blinkenlights ITX Board.
@CheapSushi
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Jeff, I'm not gonna lie, but I even bought the IKEA "OBEGRÄNSAD" just to have more blinkenlights in my room. I'm a huge fan of the Connection Machine's by Thinking Machines corporation; even went to NYC just to see the CM-5 at the MoMA. I love the thought process behind it; to give the machines a visual representation of the computation going on as if the black box is thoughtful. I have a few of books and saved YT videos about it too. There's some other pure blinkenlight projects but I couldn't afford them. But I've basically built my own homelab around maximizing the lighting. I was sad to even leave my X79 DDR3 era boards when I upgraded because Crucial's Ballistix Tracer DDR3 were the only RAM kits with true electrically driven LEDS instead of pure software. Made quite a show. Wish you could see my setup, lol.
@figueroalabs
3 ай бұрын
I wonder how it compares to a Milkv pioneer, double the cores, same memory, not a cluster but a "desktop", it does have 10G eth (x2) and NVME. It's less than double the price, for double the cores and the same amount of ram but probably faster as it is all in one place. No NPU on the pioneer, but it does have pci-express ports so you can add a large video card if the drivers support it, and if you upgrade the power supply. I absolutely loved the 10 inch rack idea, this is new to me. I have a (official status pending) RISC-V lab in Costa Rica, with a bunch of licheepi4a, vision five I&II, beagleV, mangopi, etc, etc. I think the milkv pioneer is mini-itx, so it would be cool to fit in all of the lab in this rack. It's a bit pricey, but would look and function way nice than what I have right now.
@nickpoorman
3 ай бұрын
Love these tiny videos. As someone who does Van Life traveling full time in my van, I’m always looking for ways to run NAS and cluster solutions in a compact “portable” way. Especially love it when you can run on 12v, 24v, or 48v DC.
@Lirona2XLC
3 ай бұрын
Fever dreaming out loud for engagement: I want to stick one of these cluster boards in a 2x 3.5" bay NAS case for a 3 node apps cluster and the 1 node that has the sata slots being the bulk storage. Alternately, would love to see a laptop form factor that could take one of those RK1s (like the MNT reform, or similar).
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
MNT reform + RK1 would rock! It's a niche use case and a niche laptop, but if you're in that niche, the RK3588 would probably be the closest thing to a 'good' average x86 laptop experience in Arm-land right now.
@marcoschirrmeister
3 ай бұрын
This rack is a master piece of engineering for home datacenters. 🙂 A little UPS would be indeed amazing. Whoever creates it, shut up and take my money! 😀
@dv7533
3 ай бұрын
The mini UPS sounds like a cool idea. I'm thinking, make it be a shared power supply as well, so integrate a switch mode power supply in there that keeps the batteries charged, and have a bunch of 12v outputs with individual reset-able fuses, plus maybe some 5v outputs. Include a micro-controller in it with some temperature and voltage sensors to keep the charge levels and temperature in check, with an output to a character LCD and a USB port for UPS management.
@JohannesLauesen
3 ай бұрын
Letting red shirt Jeff in to the studio seems reckless.
@Lincos321
3 ай бұрын
Practically, you don't need an SBC cluster. Single CPU x86 machine will be faster, and more important, easier to support. So performance comparison between different SBC cluster does not have a practical meaning. But it is still fun!
@xanderplayz3446
3 ай бұрын
I think you forgot that the main point of this was how power-efficient it was for the performance.
@Lincos321
3 ай бұрын
@@xanderplayz3446 Modern x86 will be more power efficient than a cluster of SBCs.
@System0Error0Message
3 ай бұрын
its good for 24/7 use at home without using much electricity. I too have x86 based ones and they break the bank. btw did you know the orange pi 5 rk3588 is so much cheaper than the best x86 SBC for the same performance? it matches the intel N200 CPU in performance, thats how fast the rk3588 is. It beats intel in some things but loses in anything avx.
@JohnDoe-ji1zv
3 ай бұрын
@@Lincos321what would you use with x86 as a replacement ?
@carlospcpro
3 ай бұрын
You read my mind when you talk about a UPS for a mini rack. That would be siiiick
@concinnus
3 ай бұрын
APC's most popular models are like 7 years old and use lead-acid batteries. They don't seem to feel much competitive pressure.
@Barnacules
3 ай бұрын
PI's are getting insane dude! 😲
@reggiep75
3 ай бұрын
I don't have a use for a cluster system, but they're entertaining. Make it work, do some brutal testing with it. Really brutal testing.
@MordecaiV
3 ай бұрын
I did not know about 10" rack systems. Very cool.
@buleini
3 ай бұрын
@JeffGeerling In reply to your comment on 17:46 about the availability of 10" racks in Europe: I got lucky getting a 30cm deep closed 12U rack from a now defunct Polish company (COVID stock/supply issues I guess) I only could get the MyElectronics 2U enclosure in there by putting in some custom spacers to get the ITX case closer to the glass front door. Otherwise the cables in the back would just not fit. Any deeper rack would not have fitted in my utility closet. I once revved out the diesel my driving instructor used when I was still learning for my driverslicense, some 300 meters from where MyElectronics is currently based in Alkmaar. I now have one more reason to chuckle about that event, 'some' American guy made realise that they were based there.. :)
@prongATO
Күн бұрын
So cool to see the channel has grown so much! You’ve earned it Jeff! (But not that red shirt guy) :)
@StillConfusing
3 ай бұрын
14:00 you could even solder in the power leads on the other side of the pcb
@MarcoGPUtuber
3 ай бұрын
Brought to you by the Pi Cluster King!
@IggyJackson
3 ай бұрын
I saw a talk a few years ago at kubecon where the speaker was the guy who first named kubectl and he said it was "kube control". And that fits my narrative, so I'm sticking with it
@tommyrottn
3 ай бұрын
So is Kube pronounced "Cube" or "Koob" or "Coob" or "CooBee" ?
@IggyJackson
3 ай бұрын
Great question, "cube control" if I remember correctly... It was the "control" bit I was worried about
@conallogribin
3 ай бұрын
I've been using the turingpi 2 with 3x RK1's for a few weeks, and really enjoying it. Ive been managing it using the Ansible for DevOps and Ansible for Kubernetes books you put out, so many thanks for that!
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
So glad I could help! Reminds me I need to get around to updating those books again...
@dr.digitalia
3 ай бұрын
Really love the screen time during installation and configuration so didactic!!
@paulalmquist5683
3 ай бұрын
I remember when data rates went from 110 baud to 300 baud. That speed increase was amazing for the time. And years later the first 14,400 baud modem came to market at $14,400 each. These young folks think 1Gbps is slow. They do not know what slow is. It did teach us patience.
@burkec33
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the mini-rack link. I've been looking for something like this for a while, thinking I was just not looking in the right place. Great for a mini home lab.
@Empty_Vima
3 ай бұрын
I wonder when failsafe systems and ECC memory will be popular🤔
@hikingpete
3 ай бұрын
"Worst case, we'll just have a little smoke come out here." and then a little later "all's well that ends in not a fire". Sounds like a good day at the office.
@jeremyjedynak
3 ай бұрын
The Rackmate T1 in this video is awesome!
@morsikpl
3 ай бұрын
I ordered new Turing Pi 2.5 with those RK1s with 32GB RAM each. I can't wait! But yeah... elephant is big, and even dual 2,5G would be great. 1Gigs for this is too small bandwith and just because of that I was postponing my ordering since like a year... I finally decided that it might be ok, but I still wish it has faster network.
@ebargofus
3 ай бұрын
It's such a minor thing, but "sudo su" always bugs me. It feels like when the switch from using su to using sudo went mainstream people said "but how can I use su now?" and found a hacky way of doing it without looking at the documentation. "sudo -i" gets you an interactive shell using the target user's default shell and runs the login files for that shell. "sudo -s" uses the invoking user's shell. Either feels cleaner imo. There's many ways to cut a cake, and there's rarely a right and a wrong, but I wanted to put "sudo -i" out there in case others maybe think it sounds neater too.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
True; for me I just have muscle memory from whenever ago to use 'sudo su' :D
@levifig
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerlingI have the same issue: muscle memory! I know about the “proper” way, but “sudo su -“ is so embedded in my brain I can’t seem to switch completely, even though I do some times… 😅🫣
@hubertnnn
3 ай бұрын
Well, I think "sudo su" is just easier to remember and more in line with all the other "sudo ". Id rather do "sudo su" knowing that its well tested and works rather than using possibly untested parameters that maybe 100 people in the world knows about.
@lhpl
3 ай бұрын
How about 'sudo sh'̈...
@frool76
3 ай бұрын
@@hubertnnnIt's well tested, so the limitations are well known. If you want to start an interactive root shell from sudo, it's just not the correct way.
@GrahamToal
3 ай бұрын
I've done a fair bit of cluster computing, on big clusters like Stampede at the University of Texas, so I'm familiar with the desire of cluster creators to have fast shared filespace and high speed interconnect fabrics etc - *but* - at least for all the real projects (as opposed to demos or benchmarks) that I've used clusters for in real life, I've always been able to structure my code so that high speed interconnects and fast shared filespace are just are not needed. Even for applications where there was big data rather than just a lot of CPU being used. My observation is that these extreme hardware facilities are mostly used by people who don't make the effort to optimise their application for parallelism and who try to shoehorn code that was really designed with uniprocessing in mind, into a multiprocessing environment without taking on the necessary restructuring. Now I'm retired, when I need to throw CPU at a problem I just farm it out to a few dozen regular Pi's and a couple of spare x86 portables I have around the house, running over Wifi, with one regular NFS mount to supply shared files across the lightweight cluster. In fact - although I do have proper cluster MPI software installed, I generally can get by with just kicking off tasks using "ssh". So I mention all this to suggest that perhaps the features you describe and the cost of the system you're using is perhaps a little overkill, that could be avoided by a little more coding effort. An interesting approach for a subsequent video might be in terms of computation done per dollar rather than just what is the fastest shinyest new hardware available?
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Sadly when you talk to anyone about making code better versus beefing up the hardware, 99 times out of 100 you'll be told the hardware's easier :D One of the reasons I love Pi clusters is I've changed my own site architecture many times to make it faster (avoiding disk IO where I can, caching in RAM on individual nodes, that sort of thing), and made big sites scale (think millions of dynamic page views per hour) on relatively modest AWS resources... all because I would run the same application on my Pi cluster that we were running on $20,000/month servers :D But not every project allowed me the time to optimize. Sometimes the plan was to build up hardware for a month, then tear it all down, and they were happier doing that spending $100k+, than to spend an extra two weeks optimizing the site (for a lot less).
@Sven_Dongle
3 ай бұрын
Read "In Search of Clusters", a fine book. Amdahls Law; show me where the data is and I'll show you where the computing has to take place. At some point all parallel computations reduce to a set of serial instructions. It's the law. Clusters live and die by the speed of their switching fabric, and that will always be the case.
@YeOldeTraveller
3 ай бұрын
If you are going to standardize on 12 VDC devices, you could put a battery in the bottom of the rack. Then you can feed the rest of the rack from there. Could even get a DC power bank and use that to connect to the AC or DC source of your choice and keep the rack powered even in transport.
@soulofjacobeh
3 ай бұрын
Felt like I unlocked a core memory when Jeff slid that Pi Blade out. Forgot I'm still waiting on mine. Soon™
@invalidation
3 ай бұрын
I’m always highly impressed when someone gets Drupal to do anything sensible at all, let alone a usable deployment of it.
@joshhardin666
3 ай бұрын
if you want the led activity indicators from your cluster board, I would try to make a passive light pipe solution with some pieces of clear petg filament, perhaps with a little bit of gaff tape or electrical tape or something to keep the light in the pipes seperate. diy fiber optic.
@MegaManNeo
3 ай бұрын
These RK3588 SoCs are quite amazing to behold anyway, it seems. From a regular user's perspective, I'd still love to see an ITX board for desktop use but the board you used here is interesting to watch too.
@nyanmisaka
3 ай бұрын
Radxa Rock 5 ITX is perfect for desktop use case.
@ThorbjrnPrytz
3 ай бұрын
That Quad board look like such a nice cluster training tool!
@rollerboogie
3 ай бұрын
This thing is sooo cool. I stopped running a homelab or server for my house because of power consumption. This setup is making me rethink that. I could do crazy stuff with one of these boards.
@JohnDoe-ji1zv
3 ай бұрын
Like what ?
@LockonKubi
3 ай бұрын
for deep stuff like the RK1 in that rack, it'd be nice if they included rear supports like what the shelf had.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
That seems like an easy enough accessory to make-put a few bends in some metal.
@mlindholm
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Perhaps someone (not suggesting you take this on) could design some brackets that could either be 3D printed, or sent to a service like SendCutSend or OshCut to be laser cut and bent as specified. Yes, additional ones available from them would be nice. They list additional rack shelves for sale, but don't seem to have considered additional support brackets as an item people might want.
@zsiegel87
3 ай бұрын
I am eagerly awaiting my Turing RK1 modules. My plan is to build an ARM based CI/CD cluster and I am curious to see if the gigabit connection ends up being a bottleneck.
@alexlovett1991
3 ай бұрын
I found with k8s that setting up calico or flannel (can’t remember which one) messed with mDNS on the cluster, it would change the source port of the response and avahi would drop it. It would add some iptable entries and would always put its own rules first even if you manually inserted your own rules before. No idea if you use those in your script but noticed you’re using mDNS figured it was worth shouting about
@AlanRWynne
3 ай бұрын
i am not an experienced PC Builder, but there are two reasons to push air out instead of in. 1: Dust, pushing air in also pushes dust in. Arguably dust can be pulled in by the vacum created. 2: Reducing airpressure in an environment has an great cooling effect. I would be interested to hear your other peoples opinions on this?
@jeffreyparker9396
3 ай бұрын
BTW I literally saw the person who wrote kubectl at a talk in person and he said that it is pronounced "cube control".
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
So a bit less cuddly!
@jeffreyparker9396
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling to be fair, virtually everyone else seems to call it "cube cuddle" no matter what the creator says.
@Groovewonder2
3 ай бұрын
Idea for a cluster: take Framework Laptop mainboards (the ones with USB 4 for PCIe tunneling and 10Gbps+ networking) and bolt them into these enclosures. I think you might even be able to fit a full 4 of them in there. the keystone slots at the back up top could be USB-C Keystones for power and for the big opening you could 3d print an IO shield so you could put in other keystones for IO. Fully x86, BLAZING fast IO for that small of a cluster, and possibly pretty energy efficient.
@Gorja239
3 ай бұрын
I got plenty 10" racks at work and we are using the TP-Link TL-SG1210MPE switch for it (: PoE, SFP, managed.... downside is the external power supply... fits perfectly in a 10" shelf
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Not a bad option! I do wish it had all ports + lights on front though, instead of the desktop configuration with the ports on back. Though, depending on what kind of gear you have, it may be cleaner that way!
@Redsmeg68
3 ай бұрын
you can add 4pin fan header to v 2.4 boards but you have to solder a coonecot and a chip onto the board.
@WhathefrenchTV
3 ай бұрын
As an electronic engineer, sometimes I just wish I had more time so I could also be a KZitemr, allowing me to work on silly projects for weeks, like building a little 10" UPS for this cute little rack ^^'
@tramcrazy
3 ай бұрын
Interesting that you’ve been using Gflops per Watt as a benchmark - seems useful for efficiency testing. Have you thought about showing Gflops per dollar as well? Would help show the differences between the Pis (both Raspberry and Turing) based on price!
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Actually not a bad idea, I should consider adding that metric to my sbc-reviews perhaps!
@brylozketrzyn
3 ай бұрын
At the moment I am a little fed up with clusters. But this one is nice
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Heh, that's the secret. Anyone who deals with clusters is always fed up with them! Otherwise you're inhuman :D
@makerbymistake
3 ай бұрын
Awesome detailed look. The 1Gbps is definitely showing its age. The price is kinda crazy also. Hope they can increase production to make it cheaper
@Neamerjell
3 ай бұрын
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the use case for such an esoteric machine; what can be accomplished on this that can't be done on a similarly priced SMP server?
@allanseidel5070
3 ай бұрын
Consider "Chaos Engineer" shirt in a toddler size.
@munocat
3 ай бұрын
for $1500, could easily get a 16 core 32 thread and with 128GB dd5 and a great motherboard, case and power for less than the cost of the max version.
@WagnerGimenes
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for all your hard work, Jeff.
@hw2508
3 ай бұрын
6:24 is the important moment. If you want to use two of this boards in a cluster, 10 Gbit/s Ethernet is what you need. It was mentioned twice in the beginning (a little redundant) and it is what stops me from buying such a board: Ethernet is too slow. The connections between the Compute Modules must be very fast and the connection with the external world should be as well. Everything else is great. Storage, compute power, all great.
@buleini
3 ай бұрын
@JeffGeerling In reply to your comment on 17:46 about the availability of 10" racks in Europe: I got lucky getting a 30cm deep closed 12U rack from a now defunct Polish company (COVID stock/supply issues I guess) I only could get the MyElectronics 2U enclosure in there by putting in some custom spacers to get the ITX case closer to the glass front door. Otherwise the cables in the back would just not fit. Any deeper rack would not have fitted in my utility closet. I once revved out the diesel my driving instructor used when I was still learning for my driverslicense, some 300 meters from where MyElectronics is currently based in Alkmaar. I now have one more reason to chuckle about that event, 'some' American guy made realise that they were based there.. :)
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Ha! Yeah, they could even shave a little more depth from their designs but if you have a deep enough rack or open back, no problem at all.
@MordecaiV
3 ай бұрын
I think I would have desoldered those pico power supply input wires and put them back on the other side.
@hubertnnn
3 ай бұрын
I looked around the online stores and seems like some of those have cables on one side and some have on another, so buying from another vendor might also help If you don't want to mess with soldering iron or loose warranty.
@jonathanbutler6635
3 ай бұрын
Server on the go? I think this would make an awesome little travel server. Your main mini itx pc, your cluster server, and a travel router would probably fit really well and it looks like it could fit in a little carrying case.
@bzmgames1308
Ай бұрын
This is good for those who need several virtual machines with Php and MySQL base data Maria
@StarFox1988
3 ай бұрын
I have to say that the 10 Inch Rack just makes sense for small builds where space is very limited. hell I've debated about going that path for somethings after you've mentioned 'myelectronics' a couple of times on top of you deploying their cases for some of the builds
@phillee2814
3 ай бұрын
For the UPS - it is 12v, so 3s LiPo or 6s SLA would fit the bill nicely - no need to do conversions into and out of AC and DC unnecessarily. For more runtime, just add parallel sets of whichever type you choose (but don't mix them - it is either SLA or LiPo, not both in parallel unless you want a fairly spectacular fireworks display - DAMHIKT). If you go for SLA put them at the bottom of the rack for stability - not a bad plan for either, really.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Making them line interactive or at least work with an AC input is a little harder, though there are some good BMS boards out there these days.
@David-gr8rh
3 ай бұрын
Sick video, Jeff as always. Love to see some RGB on that rack. 😊
@David-gr8rh
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Jeff you're such a nice person someone I'd love to meet next time you're in England. David
@patrickdk77
3 ай бұрын
I wouldn't even want a real ups for it, but more just a batter bank to supply 12v to the itx picopsu and maybe a switch, though might need 52v for a poe switch
@OldMadScientist
3 ай бұрын
The mini rack needs a 10" PDU that has a 110v input power. And as Red Shirt Jeff pointed out, a 10" UPS would be a nice option. EDIT: A Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch 8 PoE (ES-8-150W) would fit nicely in the 10" rack.
@hubertnnn
3 ай бұрын
I think that is too niche for it to be ever made, but maybe a 12V UPS would be a good idea for those small racks. It would be much easier and cheaper to make (since 12V batteries is a standard) and skipping the conversion from 12V (battery) to 220V (AC) back to 12V (PSU) would be nice.
@NearCry91
3 ай бұрын
There are 10" C13 PDUs.
@Genesis8934
3 ай бұрын
20:46 Is that case lid a USB-A socket? lol flipping it three times to get it to fit? :P Also, do you have a video already that goes over how you set up your infrastructure at home/office? Do you use monorepos for all your infrastructure? :)
@xanderplayz3446
3 ай бұрын
The studio moving videos would answer the office part, but I dont know for the home part.
@Genesis8934
3 ай бұрын
@@xanderplayz3446 I missed a word in my question actually. I meant to refine it to how he sets up his ANSIBLE infrastructure. :) But yeah, I love that series. I don't think he's done an overview (or I haven't caught/found it) of how he organizes his complete infrastructure for ansible.
@steveoc64
3 ай бұрын
That’s pretty cool - I want For price comparison- there are plenty of used epyc cpu + mobo + ecc ram combos on offer for less money.. more grunt, more power bills
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
If power's cheap, then some used servers or mini PCs are definitely a better option, cost-wise. Power's luckily pretty cheap most places in the US!
@steveoc64
3 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling then again.. there is no substitute for having an arm cluster in your home lab, when production deployments are likely to be arm based in future as well. Been using arm AWS instances a little lately, and they do hum along quite nicely
@spicybaguette7706
3 ай бұрын
With the NPUs, you could maybe run some GPT models? Those generally do not require speedy networks, just a lot of FLOPS and RAM
@rbrisita
29 күн бұрын
RK3588 NPU details: * There are 3 NPU cores. * They each are 2TOPs. * They each run at 2W. * They are all located on the A55 chip.
@MrBlakBunny
3 ай бұрын
with the mini UPS thing, could use some of those USB-PD triggerboards and a compatible battery bank. course might want to collab with one of the eletrical engineer youtubers to work out how to make it do passthrough+charge cause some batterybanks turn off when charged up
@HALDikopter
3 ай бұрын
ONLY FANS :) @11:12
@ProSureString
3 ай бұрын
I saw this comment before I watched until there and 2 things went through my head
@terrorpup
3 ай бұрын
OK, have to say this jokingly. Damn you Jeff, costing me money. I use bought the T1 and the 6 Pi ITX board. I am going to use that case for a talk I am going to give at the Southeast Linux Fest in June. I love this because I was using mini milk crates for my SBC lab that I am trying to replace big bare metal with.
@Pngwolffman
3 ай бұрын
Jeff, it would be very easy to desolder those pico power supply leads and resolder them on from the other side to fix your clearance issues.
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
True! I should probably do that for the long term...
@PsiQ
3 ай бұрын
Maybe a stupid question, but i thought the nvme slot is just a pci-ex port.. when you can write that fast into it, maybe use a M.2 to pcie adapter and a 10gb card ?? (Since it's not a slow wlan port)
@khirasier
2 ай бұрын
waiting for the day we get a cluster board that can run all the CM's as 1 big computer like a dual socket motherboard, build yourself a mega nas that is super power efficient
@armworksu.s.a.5882
3 ай бұрын
Free tip: Don't shake and wave you hands when you are holding something we are trying to see. Very common on KZitem but you can beat it. I did for teaching.
@bakedbeings
3 ай бұрын
Solid advice 👌
@RileyJohnson37
3 ай бұрын
My biggest issue with working with Pi's and Pi alternatives has been lack of conformity to standards such as ITX boards, or even conformity to Pi's I/O and size so that you can just use Pi cases or options. Something like that ITX Board, as well as the rackable case is a huge leap forward. Yes, we can 3d print things, but the more options we have, the better. I love SBCs, but prior to now them not having more standard footprints means that I literally sit a pi-hole with a POE adapter on top of a POE switch in a rack. It made no sense to have a full 1u or bigger rack mount for 1 pi. Then I have the second pihold on a separate part of the network, just sitting next to my NAS in a different room using a power adapter and network cable as I had power available there. I also have numberous Libre Computers sitting around, just strewn everywhere because where they needed to be, I couldn't put a rack. Most of these locations have other computers and if we had more options for say, PCI brackets as well with power and network cabling through the PCI bracket, I'd mount them in the PC cases. But for now, they are just sitting in 3d printed cases. So things like this are a great idea and leap forward. I'm excited to see more options coming forward as I mainly work in IT Support, not systems administration (which I can do and am good at), not Devops, not with 3d modeling, etc. I can implement and combine solutions if they've been built and sold, or I can implement very simple solutions. The more options I have, the higher probability of Pi and Pi alternatives have of getting into my workflows instead of tiny computers like the Lenovo M90n, or the other Lenovo Tiny models. I definitely don't need their horsepower, but they've just been a better option ultimately when I can get them at work's surplus sales for say $40-$150.
@steven44799
3 ай бұрын
It wouldn’t be cheap but if someone wanted to they could use the asmedia pci-e 3 switch chips and break out the pci-e to a 2.5gbe nic and an m.2 slot to make a higher speed connectivity version of a cluster board, going up to 10gbe would add a lot of $$.
@rogerorchard2317
3 ай бұрын
about 20 years ago the cluster system working on 1G bit ethernet was too slow, which we could get off, our HW teams had a 10G switch backplane and looking at 100G or maybe a 1T switching backplane (but we were working on an edge router for a city 500,000 users per cluster) full HA with fall over in less than 1mS. but looking at the internet today we may have needed 10T bit
@tubeDude48
3 ай бұрын
I, (like so many others) are going back to Mint! We've had it with Snap Packages and Ubumtu slowing down. So we'd like to see you using Debian more.
@arashd1381
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Jeff, so x86 is still a cheaper and more practical option as of today? I can buy a stock G9 HPE server with the same number of Cores/Threads and RAM for about 500$.
@TheFlow2006
3 ай бұрын
18:30 well you can get some small form factor ups from eaton, well there are just desktop ones and i think you will have to make a bracket of some sort to fix them into place but it schould be doable (maybe they even include mounting kits for 10 inch, its some time since i installed one of them so i can´t remember 100% if it had that or note but from memory the size schould fit)
@jacekruzyczka3058
3 ай бұрын
10:38: Do you mean Torx screws? They are even quite common in the U.S. automotive industry. My Oldsmobile is full of them.
@gpturismo
3 ай бұрын
Even 2.5G would be such a huge improvement over 1g. I still wish I was able to tinker with these things :D I love playing with my CM4 but would love one of these rk units. My wife will kill me if she finds me hiding those little things everywhere. lol.
@Thomas-Larsen
3 ай бұрын
I was initially dismissive of the Turing Pi 2 because of the so-dimm connector and having to deal with external PSUs and so on, but I must say I wasn't aware it had BCM so I might be regretting that a bit now... So I guess the only good news for me is that the CM5 seems to be closer 😆
@JeffGeerling
3 ай бұрын
Hopefully. And yeah, the SO-DIMM means you have to buy extra adapters for CMs, unfortunately. But it's cool they made a BCM for the board, and it actually works pretty reliably in my testing. Would love to see more standardization in that area too, for others building clusterboards.
@MillisecondFalcon
3 ай бұрын
Jeff, you should design your own desk mat!! :-D
@acubley
3 ай бұрын
Red shirts and rip saws and blow torches, oh my!
@mullanef1
3 ай бұрын
Great vid - the sound is very different, and it looks like you green screened your eclipse photo/workspace - is this in your new space ?
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