Personally, I’ve always loved your soothing tones, preppy guru style, hushed voice, and laid back Ventura county style.
@taradowell7187
Ай бұрын
lol!!
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
Ай бұрын
I claim here that Esther is highly biased and colluding with the Enemy !! Certainly can't blame you. 😅😊
@WayneDrake-uk1gg
Ай бұрын
But to you really want a hypnotist selling you Coffehouse Calvinism? That's the gateway drug to the Real Deal, which is something no sober person could want
@TheTransfiguredLife
Ай бұрын
The Queen has spoken! 🔥🔥
@Joe10e84
Ай бұрын
Fantastic 😂😂
@bendarge4054
Ай бұрын
This is just disappointing… this is what happens when political views become our hermeneutics rather than the Bible. Thank you for your work Gavin, and for always standing for the truth in an Irenic way
@pretentiousmusician
Ай бұрын
I’ve been listening to the book and it has accurately described my experience in my evangelical church of left wing politics becoming hermaneutics and push back against such being deemed as “inserting politics”. It’s a shame that she seems to have mischaracterized Gavin here (and possible others, though I haven’t finished) because I believe the central thesis of her book is accurate. I would love to see her both speak to Gavin and give a correction to any misrepresentations she had written and not double down, as is so popular nowadays.
@ddzl6209
Ай бұрын
Ever since the satanic cult of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man was introduced five hundred years ago many idiots like Calvin Smythe Zwingli Henry Ellen Knox Wesley Russell etc started to interpret the Bible on their own wild imagination and even adding their wishful thinking or twisting historical facts or even worse they even tried to manipulate the holy Bible itself in order to make their satanic theology fit into it and after five centuries by now around fifty thousand heretic crooks like Ortlund are doing all sorts of nonsense and contradicting each other all the time rendering Christianity itself into chaotic anarchism but they are united for one thing that is to destroy the Church of saints that Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter but nothing happened to it for the last two thousand years and will remain till Jesus comes back because Jesus himself promised to Peter saying no gates of hell will prevail against it
@ameliacoburn4787
29 күн бұрын
I don't think Megan misrepresented him at all. You should research this more. Galvin is SO gaslighting in this video.
@austinmorris3422
Ай бұрын
-PhD in historical theology -Father of 5 -Complimentarian -Preaches that Jesus is the only way to salvation -Baptist Pastor -Made 1 video on climate change = flaming liberal, who piggy-banks the IPCC 🤦🏻
@clarkemorledge2398
Ай бұрын
Yep, there is apparently an "orthodoxy" out there in Megan Basham's world that one can not step out of without getting thrown under a bus.
@Parableman
Ай бұрын
And this is why he is right to call it fundamentalism, not evangelicalism. Fundamentalists are absolutist about non-central issues. They can't accept someone as a faithful brother if he has any view they disagree with on any issue, no matter how tiny. He is right to see this as a theological triage issue.
@tonic-music
Ай бұрын
THe only way he sint super conservative is that he isnt a YEC. But, come on.
@timharris2291
Ай бұрын
Sure but isn't the premise of Megan's book just that evangelicals have compromised on issues when they step out of the evangel. So pointing out that he is evangelical kind of misses the point.
@pearcejayw
Ай бұрын
Yeah LOL
@CathryneParks
Ай бұрын
My precious college senior granddaughter pointed me to your channel as a rational intellectual source to help her navigate her growing faith in Jesus Christ. I haven’t been disappointed. We use some of your videos for our own discussions. You have just answered my question half through this video. The author clearly did not speak to you before putting this book out. It calls into question whatever else she has written.
@TruthUnites
Ай бұрын
I am so thrilled my videos have been of use to you and your granddaughter. Praise God. God bless.
@ivylagrone8632
Ай бұрын
I'm so glad to hear your granddaughter is trying to remain grounded in her faith while at college. That's a real battleground! As for the statement that she may not have contacted Ortland before commenting on his very public comments... When someone presents something publicly, they are inviting critique. Why should anyone have to contact Ortland first to get his approval before interacting with what he has said. When we make public statements, particularly as a cultural or community influencer, we give our implied consent to be critiqued.
@arthur.prince
Ай бұрын
As a Christian from Africa who follows and listens to many American preachers and follows a little bit of American politics, I am quite wary of where American Christianity is heading. I don't know about the grassroots Christianity of the faithful and small churches aiming to serve God but for the ones we see on this side of the world, it is shocking to me how much political views from both the left and right influence American churches and personalities. Some people are literally questioning people's salvation based on how Trumpian they are or how liberally inclusive they are. That's just poor.
@ItchyCinderBlock
Ай бұрын
We make gods of politics without realizing it. Please pray for us.
@jty1999
Ай бұрын
As an American, I think people unwittingly worship politicians and ideologies instead of God, even if they say they worship God and love Jesus. In this country, politics, sex, and money are generally the only things average people talk about.
@fw2101jacobinsleight
Ай бұрын
Yes it is all horribly true.. The American evangelical Downgrade is great, a shame and sorrowful. Please African Christians, send as many solid Reformed missionaries over here as soon as possible, as prophets are not accepted in our country. Your influence by the Lord's grace and power could/would be mighty and could work some wonders..
@yankeegonesouth4973
Ай бұрын
Much of (perhaps most of?) popular American Christianity is heading nowhere good. Power corrupts. It is wise to be wary, sir. God have mercy, but I believe we are quite worldly. That being said, there are many unknown Christians in America meeting in homes and obscure churches who are wise to this foolishness. Either we will repent or God will judge us with our own arrogance.
@Quickmart4
Ай бұрын
American Christianity had always been first and foremost a tool of imperialism. There are relatively few Christians in America who follow Christ. In my experience it is a fascist movement and has been for at least 40 years.
@Christian-ut2sp
Ай бұрын
Disagreement without slander. This should not be too much to ask for. Especially among family.
@thomasc9036
Ай бұрын
What's wrong with slander? Jesus slandered Pharisees and so did Peter, John, and Paul. There is nothing wrong with slanders if it is the truth. Too many American Christians think "niceness" is the best thing. No, it's not. It's the truthfulness. Why do you think Ortlund is making this video? He is slandering Megan for her alleged falseness.
@skyred2
Ай бұрын
Where was he slandered?
@TacoTuesday4
Ай бұрын
@@skyred2 If you watched the whole video you would see it pretty clearly.
@skyred2
Ай бұрын
@@TacoTuesday4 I saw a video of Gavin defending himself, I did not see evidence of slander. If I'm wrong I'm open to be corrected, but Gavin showing different videos of himself, selected by himself does not prove slander by Megan but as I've said I'm open to and welcome correction.
@tenmilesGLE
Ай бұрын
@@skyred2 Last time I checked on how to quite things: only put in quotation marks what was actually said and then give a source. If you need to insert or explain words, you use these bracets []. If you misquoted someone in a way like that, it can sometimes be as bad as to libel. Just saying. This can be very bad.
@bekscha579
Ай бұрын
She’s literally a journalist at the Daily Wire, she wrote pages about you and she didn’t even bother to contact you? That is quite strange.
@jty1999
Ай бұрын
The Daily Wire isn't necessarily the cream of the crop if you're talking about honest journalism.
@petergorombey3249
Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, from what I have seen from the Dailywire lately is that most hosts and personalities dig in their heels and refuse to admit when they are wrong. I hope Basham will retract her statements.
@TonyThomas10000
Ай бұрын
She is not a journalist.
@jj4829
Ай бұрын
wait till you find out about who owns the daily wire... and andrew klavan and his kids... and ben shapiro... and why they kicked out candace owens...believe me you should not be listening to daily wire
@DougInRoc
Ай бұрын
Referring to Megan as a journalist is far too generous.
@rasrepent
Ай бұрын
as someone who heard Gavin preach every Sunday for over a year in Ojai, I never heard him mention climate change once outside of the video in question.
@estherortlund
Ай бұрын
I’ve heard every sermon he’s ever preached in 17 years, and never once has he mentioned it in a sermon.
@georgwagner937
Ай бұрын
As someone who heard Gavin's thoughts since birth, he never even thought of climate change outside the video in question.
@KristiLinauer
Ай бұрын
The video in question is bad enough.
@georgwagner937
Ай бұрын
@@KristiLinauer oh hey! How are you? Did you watch this response video you're commenting on?
@ravissary79
Ай бұрын
@@KristiLinauerbad enough to... what exactly?
@PaulVanderKlay
Ай бұрын
You? If I were looking for an example of what she describes I would have never picked you. Strange.
@Djessie11
Ай бұрын
Hello Paul. Subscriber here. You could make a video with Gavin's response as a guide on contemporary evangelical fundamentalism and group dynamics. I'd like to hear your thoughts. I sent a similar comment earlier but it seems KZitem glitched because I don't see it anymore, which is why I'm following up with this. In any case, I hope you see this🙏🏿
@ezekielcarsella
Ай бұрын
I knew you would be locked in before I even heard of this! Excited for the inevitable video.
@Dsypul
Ай бұрын
She picked reasonable people who treat others with dignity and respect, to call in to question local shepherds who exhibit similar traits. If she picked the most egregious people, no one would see similarities with their church leaders. She also works in the book to cast shade on seminaries to create suspicion on shepherds who have studied, especially younger shepherds. This book is a call to war, a call to fight in a culture war, in a way that I believe contradicts the Gospel. The message is clear, if your church and its shepherds are not engaged in this battle, find one that is. I recommend the book Coreology as a better way to think about the times we live in from a Christ centered approach.
@dbeebee
Ай бұрын
You don’t see how the old earth, local flood, pro-vax, pro-lockdown, climate change enthusiast might not be firing with conservative cylinders?
@johnbouwers6787
Ай бұрын
This is a moment I long expected to come, a canary in the coal mine of how fearful fundamentalism will send us next. Funny that the loci of topics look like a list or right-wing political hot button issues that define the new orthodoxy. Is the clarion call of Christian partyism bumping up against Christ's alternate kingdom?
@arnonchristian5837
Ай бұрын
As somebody who is not from US, it is clear to me and to many others that evangelical Christianity in US is getting heavily influenced by the sociology of contemporary modern politics. That is not a good sign. Thank you Dr. Ortlund for pointing it out. Hopefully many other evangelical leaders in US would speak against it.
@jty1999
Ай бұрын
As a young 20-something-year-old American, I can confidently say that this is one of the biggest reasons people on both sides of the political division don't even want to approach the idea of Jesus.
@EmilTennis00
Ай бұрын
so true, the right as well as the left in the US
@Parks179-h
Ай бұрын
This is why we must read books outside of our times! As a conservative American who has come to learn more of the theological and philosophical "political playing fields", it is true. Many of my brothers and sisters are simply unaware of the metaphysics behind positions and how they correspond to systems of thought.
@TitusCastiglione1503
Ай бұрын
It’s not just religious conservatives; you could argue it’s even worse on the left.
@ravissary79
Ай бұрын
To be fair though, her sentiments in the book are well founded. Political leftist activism is highly culturally caustic to Christianity and there are mountains of examples of polemical appropriation and subversion of Christian themes and authority for political power. Liberation theology exists because of weaponizing Christian concepts and sentiments to turn Christians into Marxist radicals. Multiple Latin American revolutions were motivated by this perversion of Christian sentiment. But this observation she makes is illogically applied to Ortlund. Ortlund is NOT "that guy".
@BiggestMuscles
Ай бұрын
I don't think Megan exactly found the "right hill to die on" with this.
@ravissary79
Ай бұрын
And sukve then she's done nothing but double down against Ortlund. Shes using his complaints as proof he's a sellout.... essentially the "doth protest too much" argument. Ironically hes only put out 2 short videos. She's posted on X about it nearly 100 times. Somebody is protesting too much and its not Gavin. 🙄
@jjjjjjjjj323
Ай бұрын
You didn’t read the book, did you?
@GenericHandle54321
14 күн бұрын
I like to listen to Dr Ortland and find him really insightful as a Protestant trying to think through things, but I also think Meghan’s book is very needed. In the leadership of “big Eva” there is a serious problem. Maybe she was a bit hard on Dr Ortland.
@sammuhho8632
Ай бұрын
Gavin, I've been following you for over a year now. God bless you and your ministry. I would not be where I am today were it not for your work and resources. We are with you. Do not be discouraged.
@blackwaterarts8480
Ай бұрын
Wow. Never would have imagined you as a target. Take heart Gavin. Many of us appreciate you and all the work you are doing.
@lefebre27
Ай бұрын
Gavin, we appreciate your ministry Sir. You’ve honestly brought me from a hyper conservative Christian who was puffed up with knowledge, to a humbled Christian in search of wisdom. We need to not die on certain hills.
@felipediazvlog
Ай бұрын
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." --- Exodus 20:16. // Reading how Megan doubles down on X is sad.
@charliedontsurf334
Ай бұрын
No, Megan is correct. Gavin clearly does not understand science or he wouldn't claim that a consensus is how scientists come to conclusions. And he is wrong the "consensus" is smoke and mirrors. Don't listen to Neil DeGrasse Tyson. He is not an meteorologist. Randy Marsh is about as good a source.
@kimberlyo2037
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for making a response! I had bought her book after listening to Alisa Childers interview with her. Just to let you know that there have been many comments in that thread calling for her to repent and make a public apology to you. I hope and pray she does, Allie Beth Stuckey posted and interview with her on the same book, I left a comment for both Childers and Stuckey to watch your response, hope they do.
@Rachel_1177
Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, their silence probably tells you everything you need to know.
@Presbybaptisational
Ай бұрын
This is really unfortunate because I think she uncovers a lot of important connections in her book, but unsubstantiated claims like these are going to backfire and sink its credibility.
@mxrc179
Ай бұрын
I would question whether the "important connections" are true and ethically and honestly represented. Unless you can follow the trail and interview the people who would answer that, examine the documents, and ask your own questions of the sources, you don't know that those "important connections" exist as Basham apparently claims.
@yesitis1395
22 күн бұрын
It's not the credibility of the book that worries. It's that everyone involved goes down.
@dankiusmemeiusmaximustheth1648
Ай бұрын
This hurts my heart. Praying for you and Meghan! Such a disheartening, sloppy, ignorant and libelous thing to claim, let alone publish in a book!
@MsGardener77
Ай бұрын
Wondering if you would reconsider a dialog with Megan Basham on this incident... not to sort through climate change, but to challenge Christians on how to disagree. Your insight into Christian dialog is very valuable. And people, like Megan Basham and all of us listening, can learn from it.
@fleskenialation
Ай бұрын
I sincerely doubt she will agree to a conversation, but it's worth a try
@ravissary79
Ай бұрын
I'd 💯 assume he's dien for it. Hes all about irenic dialog. Unfortunately she's not, and she's already doubled down and attacked Gavin further since then. This is a hill she REALLY wants to die on.
@EnHacore1
Ай бұрын
@@MsGardener77 why would you even talk with such an evil person, a so called reformed Calvinist that uses everything in her power to twist words to fit her narrative?
@TheNutmegStitcher
Ай бұрын
I think she would.
@fleskenialation
Ай бұрын
@@TheNutmegStitcher it's been two weeks you're delusional
@chadblackman_
Ай бұрын
Be encouraged Dr. Ortlund. Your gracious and measured response here to her book is proof in and of itself of your character. People who have followed your work know what you really stand for. Keep going brother, we need voices like yours. You have certainly been a blessing to me
@joelw1730
Ай бұрын
Very graceful. Gavin dropping the hammer is really just him calling someone "dishonest" after a 30min explanation.
@brab608
Ай бұрын
He’s being nicer than me. I say she’s a liar.
@meepmeep545
Ай бұрын
i googled and found quoted sections of her book claims on dr keller, and the specific quotes (with context) she's a liar.
@EnHacore1
Ай бұрын
@@joelw1730 if I were Gavin, I would contact the publisher and ask for the book to be recalled
@conradcml
Ай бұрын
I think that the main problem with these types of interactions from fundamentalist is the assumption of motives . It is essentially, “they are not coming to the same conclusions that I am therefore their motivations must be corrupt.” And that is just not mature and does not consider the diversity of thought and conviction that Scripture seemingly goes out of its way to allow for.
@SonOfTheLion
Ай бұрын
I think it is more a skepticism created when someone uses left-wing newspeak like "Climate Change". It is disappointing to see such an obvious mischaracterization of Gavin, though.
@thomasc9036
Ай бұрын
The Scripture does NOT "goes out of its way to allow for" different interpretations. The variety of human interpretations is due to man's sinful nature, not because the Scripture attributing different interpretations. That's the very thing Jesus, Paul, and Peter fought for.
@conradcml
Ай бұрын
@@thomasc9036 You are doing to me what Megan did to Gavin. I did not say anything about different interpretations. You put that word in my mouth. I am talking about where the Bible explicitly teaches there is room for convictions on certain issues.
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
Ай бұрын
@@conradcml you painted with wide brush strokes, then in reply pinpoint focused on minor issues we can disagree on? Wide brush stroke: Scripture seemingly "goes out of its way" to allow a diversity of opinions and convictions. (Where it goes out of it's way is beyond me). Minor focus: The Bible teaches explicitly there's room for (other) convictions on certain issues. (allowing a diversity of thoughts and convictions is different interpretations, as noted by Thomasc9036). Are you referring to whether the Apostle Paul et al. is: Allowed to take a wife on tour? 1 Co 9:5 Rules of congregating? Philippians 3:16 (KJV) Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
@conradcml
Ай бұрын
Romans 14 - Where the scripture is not explicit there is room for Christian liberty. By "goes out of it's way" I mean that the issue of christian liberty and how to respond to different convictions on some issues is explicitly addressed.
@Jeremy.Mathetes
Ай бұрын
The fact that you are painted as a “shepherd for hire” is simply outrageous. Thank you for modeling charity and humility throughout this video, Dr. Ortlund. You are an example to the rest of us of responding with kindness to false accusations. Bless you 🙏
@christianchin-ups
Ай бұрын
That is a flat out lie Jeremy she never said that kzitem.info/news/bejne/lpipzmqvb5-hl6wsi=XVZ80tPUmVmtVlSG
@kimpina5846
Ай бұрын
He wasn’t painted that way. His words and original video were used to describe how some pastors have gotten caught up in making social issues become moral ones. He did that exact thing in his climate change video. His two videos here in response to the book are just a smokescreen and are a distraction from what’s really revealed in the other chapters. His portion is such a tiny one for this great of a reaction. Odd behavior from a pastor…
@humz403
Ай бұрын
Why are you falsely claiming that Megan claimed that?
@kimpina5846
Ай бұрын
@@humz403 I've read the chapter and watched his videos. I wish more people who are choosing to converse would do the same.
@humz403
Ай бұрын
@kimpina5846 Yes I agree.
@survivordave
Ай бұрын
Imagine the stones required to sell a book that completely misrepresents people and calls THEM sellouts. 🙄
@labsquadmedia176
Ай бұрын
Sadly, this has become common place on the internet and its not surprising that books sold by internet prognosticators will be well-received by their fans without analysis as to the truthfulness and accuracy of their claims.
@thomasc9036
Ай бұрын
Have you read it? Just watch one video and ready to slander someone, eh?
@axderka
Ай бұрын
@@thomasc9036 Well... Not off to a good start.
@TacoTuesday4
Ай бұрын
@@thomasc9036 Yes. On the author's dealing with Gavin alone it is worth the criticism.
@thomasc9036
Ай бұрын
@@TacoTuesday4 Have you heard the other side?
@86perfectionist
Ай бұрын
It grieves me that you've been attacked so unfairly. I pray and trust that the Lord will let her slanderous lies fall on deaf ears. Thank you for your faithful work and clear teaching on theological triage. 🙏
@jophillips111
Ай бұрын
Yes I also felt grieved It was an injustice to his work Gavin sets a great example in his response
@jjjjjjjjj323
Ай бұрын
Megan is the one being slandered. You’d know this if you read the book
@Jeremy73950
Ай бұрын
I appreciate you responding to these critiques. It is important to do so to preserve and in a way protect the years of hardwork behind your body of work.
@jophillips111
Ай бұрын
I hope her readers now check out his site I am gobsmacked
@daveonezero6258
25 күн бұрын
Why? Seems like you are telling him to preserve his worldy possessions.
@DavidJHarris43
Ай бұрын
It is really interesting on the triage note that one of the highlighted editorial reviews on the book's Amazon page is by Ben Shapiro....who happens to reject Christian orthodoxy. It blows me away that she is willing to push an endorsement from a non-Christian who happens to be on the right politically, about a book that is chastising Christian pastors for compromising their beliefs. It is fascinating that she does not consider leveraging that endorsement for book sales compromise, but she does see Gavin's one video on the climate conversation as compromise.
@SamSprings
Ай бұрын
I have not agreed with you (again) on some political opinions, but to say you’ve compromised or have been drifting into some form of theological liberalism is intellectually dishonest. You are a prime example of valuing balanced theological conservatism OVER any political or cultural conservatism. Her perspective on this is so separate from scripture, and makes so many assumptions based on where she is politically and culturally. Thank you for all that you do, stay balanced and hold fast to God’s Word ❤️
@etheretherether
Ай бұрын
Dr. Ortlund is definitely theologically liberal. Maybe not in a far-left sense, but he's consistently argued against almost all historical stances of the church apart from a small handful of what he views as fundamental doctrines (the Trinity, Grace Alone, Christ Alone, and Gods omnipotence).
@bjn3232
Ай бұрын
Consistently argued against historical doctrine? Seriously? Care to provide some actual examples?
@axderka
Ай бұрын
@@etheretherether Something being a "historic view" meaning amongst doctrines that your camp likes. And since when did history become the prime hermeneutic?
@SamSprings
Ай бұрын
@@etheretherether A major emphasis on Gavin's ministry is what he calls "Theological retrieval" or in simpler terms "reclaiming historical protestantism". You'll need to really define what you mean when you say he's argued against "almost all historical stances of the church". He's a protestant apologist and a reformed baptistic minister.
@hutchbailey2208
Ай бұрын
@@etheretheretherplease provide some examples of his theologically liberal positions
@TonyThomas10000
Ай бұрын
"I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people". Romans 16:17-18
@daveonezero6258
25 күн бұрын
I'd say dispensationalist fall into that category more than reformed calvanists. Can we talk about Israel like adults?
@johnnyarmstrong77
Ай бұрын
Handled like a gentleman, brother. Pity you are having to set the record straight. Sure hope Megan offers you a public apology. Not holding my breath for it, though.
@andreastarks2780
Ай бұрын
Overwhelmingly disappointing. I’m at a loss for words to describe how shocked I am at how untruthful Megan was in this book.
@jjjjjjjjj323
Ай бұрын
You didn’t read the book
@jgiaq
Ай бұрын
Don't forget that John MacArthur gave this book a glowing review and claimed it was "well researched." He deserves some flack for this
@daveonezero6258
25 күн бұрын
Just like the flak he deserved when he opened his church?
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
Ай бұрын
Shepard for sale? Oh boy!! Wait.......Nahh.....I couldn't afford Gavin anyways. He's Top Shelf and likely out of my price range.....sigh..
@jopesh5083
Ай бұрын
Lol
@thomasc9036
Ай бұрын
What's wrong with the title "Shephards for Sale"?
@justusmorton6555
Ай бұрын
@@thomasc9036 There's nothing wrong with the title per se, but the idea that Gavin has been bought is silly. The OP is making a joke that the price for Gavin to be bought would be way too high for them to pay.
@thomasc9036
Ай бұрын
@@justusmorton6555 Well, even Gavin said the the title is hostile or divisive (can't remember the actual words he used). I understand that Gavin is offended since it is about him. However, we already have too many people in the world who love to be "offended on behalf of someone" and they flock to the Social Media. It's really sad. They violate the scriptural mandates thinking they are being "charitable" while they are divisive themselves. Just listen and learn and ask questions without accusing someone without hearing from their side or doing researches themselves.
@jjjjjjjjj323
Ай бұрын
And here is another who didn’t read the book.
@troygreen8959
Ай бұрын
Not only have Christians never agreed on everything, none of us will enter glory to discover all our beliefs were correct. While we are to love the truth, defend the faith, and strive to rightly divide the Word of God, we should recognize that faith in Christ, not the unreachable perfection of doctrine, is what makes us right with God. Therefore, humility, kindness, patience, respect, etc. are called for when disagreeing with other Christians. You were right to defend yourself from the accusations and did so with humility and respect.
@antonioflores4240
Ай бұрын
Thanks to Megan I have discovered Gavin and realized what a greater speaker/apologist he is. Subscribed.
@SirGiggles
Ай бұрын
Thank you for responding with grace and kindness Gavin. You have honored Christ with your response. Well done!
@davidwgilmore
Ай бұрын
Gavin, this hurts my heart. I feel like she had a forgone conclusion in her mind that some pastors are promoting climate change policy, did a quick search on KZitem, and your video came up. And, it seems like to me that the only thing she has ever heard from you is that one video that she tries to manipulate to prove her point. If she would have took the time to figure out who you are and what your ministry is about, she wouldn't have even considered putting you in the book. Just know that those of us who have watched your content for a few years now know where your heart is. THank you for continuing to be faithful to our Lord. And, please, don't change a thing.
@charliedontsurf334
Ай бұрын
Go watch his original video and then read her book. Gavin doesn't have the STEM background to call BS on this.
@bobthrasher8226
Ай бұрын
I heard BabylonBee interview of her. Thanks for the rebuttal. "Any story sounds true until the other side is heard."
@daveonezero6258
25 күн бұрын
you are missing the point of the book. He is clutching pearls and not realizing he is even being manipulated.
@thoughtfulpilgrim1521
Ай бұрын
I'm so glad you made this rebuttal video explaining your position and the dangerous misrepresentation of your character. I was honestly shocked to see accusations of you being sold out for anyone else but Christ and your wife. May God bless you!
@johndrayton8728
Ай бұрын
I have admired and respected you since watching you debate Jimmy Atkin some years back. As a Catholic I have always found your work educational and inspiring, even when I have not agreed with you. Your work will outlast this petty attack. God bless you.
@MarsFireForge
Ай бұрын
Gavin, I’m a conservative Protestant pastor, trained at Cedarville University, also very conservative, and I think you’re above reproach completely. Your theology, your demeanor, the clarity in your videos. Seriously, I’m stunned by this woman’s book.
@daveonezero6258
25 күн бұрын
That is ridiculous to call someone above reproach.
@MarsFireForge
25 күн бұрын
@@daveonezero6258 1 Tim 3:2”Therefore an overseer MUST be above reproach” Titus 1:5 “This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you- if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife,…etc. etc.” Titus 1:7 “For an overseer, as God’s steward, MUST be above reproach.”….God’s word is not ridiculous and does not demand ridiculous things.
@TXLogic
2 күн бұрын
You’re stunned that a scientifically ignorant religious fundamentalist, conspiracy theorist, and hardcore MAGA cultist would slander someone who doesn’t agree with her on every single point of rightwing extremist dogma?
@michellelewis6247
Ай бұрын
Basham's book is disappointing. We cannot treat one another like this when we disagree; as Christ-followers, we know there is a better way. What she presented about you is a form of slander. I appreciate your gracious but firm response. Praying that we find a better way to discuss issues that we disagree on.
@benavans6129
Ай бұрын
Triage is so important today. May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ save us our country and our world
@daveonezero6258
25 күн бұрын
He did. He already came. He is reigning at the righthand of God. Messiagic kingdom is here.
@johnbloedel346
Ай бұрын
I want to be very careful to not insult the author of this book because I do not want to seem petty but I SINCERELY cannot see a way that something THIS erroneous gets penned without it reflecting poorly on the author. I cannot, in good faith, say I can find a way to charitably engage with content like this when it is so carelessly written. If someone is trying to critique ministers they’d better make sure they’re writing above board in every way and this book just fails from the outset.
@Constructing_Christianity
Ай бұрын
It's weird because I think what she is trying to critique is the way he could be seen as trying to paint all who disagree with his view as being politically motivated, which people in Ortlund's circles definitely do, but the video she cited doesn't really do that. It seems clumsy to me.
@johnbloedel346
Ай бұрын
@@Constructing_Christianityyeah it wouldn’t shock me. I want to believe that some lesser, more precise offense was intended but the level of dialogue is so beneath the dignity of everyone involved at this point I have little hope for it creating more light than heat. At least the regular listeners of Dr. Ortlund seem to be engaging constructively here.
@jordanmartin1932
Ай бұрын
@@Constructing_Christianity Ironically she is the one that comes off as looking politically motivated here.
@reepicheepsfriend
Ай бұрын
I think most of us in the American church right now have a deep sense that something is wrong. I certainly have that sense myself. But we need to be careful that our reaction is not to panic and start lighting fires. Much of the rhetoric similar to the quotes you shared here strike me as coming from a place of panic and anxiety. Due to recent events, I have been thinking a great deal about how serious it is to speak in God's name something that God has not said. I pray that I do not do that. My inward sense is that it's a time for deep reflection before God, calling out to him to guide us, and trusting that if we truly wait and listen and desire to obey whatever he says, he will speak to us at the right time.
@johannagarcia9598
Ай бұрын
As someone having grown up in this tradition, this is everything that I have grown to hate about American evangelicalism. One’s loyalty to Christ and His Word need to perfectly align with right wing political ideology.
@davidjanbaz7728
Ай бұрын
U mean American Fundamentalism: far more Right wing than many Evangelicals.
@JW_______
Ай бұрын
I think Dr. Ortlund would identify as an evangelical too, so try not to paint with too broad a brush.
@roren4762
Ай бұрын
The Bible is very "right wing" in some major political issues though, the most obvious being abortion, homosexuality, divorce, sexual freedom, etc.
@TitusCastiglione1503
Ай бұрын
I’m mean I’m staunchly right wing and I broadly agree. This kind of crap gets old.
@robertdelisle7309
Ай бұрын
Well, Evangelicalism in America today means those under the Protestant umbrella of Christianity who are theologically and socially conservative. So if you hold to liberal beliefs are you really Evangelical?
@benadkison6578
Ай бұрын
Appreciate your response. That the book was even allowed to be published, considering how untruthful it is, is frustrating. Most of the endorsements on the book are expected, but a few of them caught me off guard. Truly sad and infuriating.
@pamelaw1857
Ай бұрын
Yes, we should never allow books that disagree with our doctrines to be published.
@benadkison6578
Ай бұрын
@@pamelaw1857 It's not about differing opinions; it's about the intentional falsehoods, bad research, misquotations that many have pointed out in the book. The publisher shouldn't have allowed that to happen.
@davidruth7096
Ай бұрын
It’s odd that climate change denial became a standard Christians in the US are required to hold. “Yes, yes, you’re pro-life and only support traditional marriage, but the real question is….You don’t believe in climate change, do you?!” Aren’t we given stewardship? Doesn’t that require, well, being stewards? Actively caring for? Why is even a humble invitation to talk about the issue treated like evidence against a shepherd’s bona fides?
@jakeheye4931
Ай бұрын
I know! I’ve tried to talk to my parents about it through a biblical idea, but they think I am crazy for entertaining that thought ( even though the evidence for the degradation of the environment is pretty damming ) I still love my parents though, but I swear I wonder what it would take to convince them to see my side.
@Postmillhighlights
Ай бұрын
Caring for the environment is a different thing altogether than calling for the government (policies) to address it.
@tuckerchisholm1005
Ай бұрын
Most liberal pastors are willing to completely cave on abortion and traditional marriage. They want to be popular in the eyes of the world
@zackattack366
Ай бұрын
I'm so dismayed to see that John MacArther is quoted on this book saying "This may just be the single most important book on modern Evangelicalism in recent years. It is bold, clear, and very well-researched." I'm also very disappointed that Rosaria Butterfield endorsed this book saying "With brave reporting and translucent writing, she reveals that some of our most trusted ministry leaders have proven to be liars and charlatans, bought by the world's filthy lucre and flattery."
@user-tb2vc3gd5w
Ай бұрын
Friend, or brother, if it bothers you (while MacArthur has a questionable theology and questionable writing practices anyway), consider that most people who blurb books don't even read them--they skim them--and they are under social obligation (or pressure--in this case it would fit the bill, since MacArthur is something of a cipher for political American evangelicalism) to be positive.
@zackattack366
Ай бұрын
@@user-tb2vc3gd5w That seems like a terribly reckless practice for a Christian to have when it comes to blurbing a book.
@user-tb2vc3gd5w
Ай бұрын
@@zackattack366 Yes. Don't suppose that Big Evangelical Publishing is a noble enterprise. It's actually probably worse than a lot of other kinds, because of the sheer amount of money involved. Anyway, MacArthur is happy to have his name as the author on many works he did not write, which is a country mile worse than having his name on a book he did not thoroughly read.
@RyanPeter
Ай бұрын
@@zackattack366yes it is a problem but is unfortunately standard practice for many in publishing. A lot of the time the endorsements are there to appeal to a market segment - so by having MacArthur there, it aligns her with a market. But there is also the endorsement from Shapiro which I find quite out of place, and note that MacArthur has said nothing in response to his name next to Shapiro endorsing a Christian book that apparently markets itself as politically agnostic.
@TitusCastiglione1503
Ай бұрын
I expect statements like that from MacArthur. Butterfield should know better.
@alisatoniian9718
Ай бұрын
As a Baptist, I am so happy to have encountered your channel (thanks to redeemed zoomer haha) and have this source of inspiration from someone with a solid view on theology. Thank u so much! Many people watch your channel and would never have heard about this quite political book
@iankirk4567
Ай бұрын
Thanks Gav, for setting the record straight! Truth will Always win. Bless you brother!
@lionssonpur
Ай бұрын
I have to admire your attitude and kindness in the midst of this accusation. Specially done publicly.
@gokupepper
Ай бұрын
I think that many followers of this channel fail to see one of the main points of the book: the church in America continues to move to the left and many pastors are happy to go along with it.
@josephhamrick9501
Ай бұрын
Which is why journalistic integrity in said book is so important. Her book is needed. So it should have gone through a more rigorous process before she made claims that are simply not true.
@gokupepper
Ай бұрын
@josephhamrick9501 I think you might be correct. However, I really don't like how Gavin is very willing to defend some Christian leaders who are clearly pro leftism.
@josephhamrick9501
Ай бұрын
@@gokupepper who is he defending that's left?
@alexiogomes955
Ай бұрын
Gavin is the real deal. Anyone bashing you is just willlllddddd
@radscorpion8
Ай бұрын
I'm wild then wooooo :DDD
@SpaceCadet4Jesus
Ай бұрын
@@radscorpion8 yeah, you're all that minus a bag of chips. 😅
@gianpopo2007
Ай бұрын
Agreed man. Gavin speaks the truth to his own detriment
@danielholder7979
Ай бұрын
@@radscorpion8 What warrants bashing Gavin?
@WayneDrake-uk1gg
Ай бұрын
@@danielholder7979 a better bash is that Basham's Bash carries "implicit truth". Gavin certainly never explicitly claims that disagreement on climate change is a salvation issue. Very true. But there's no such thing as soft "Coffehouse Calvinism" that lasts any longer than the caffeine buzz that produces it. By contrast, if Real Calvinism takes hold, Everything is a salvation issue, punctuated by stakes and green wood. Thankfully that version usually destroys itself in the process, but it can take several generations. That's just the way this thing is
@edr245
Ай бұрын
I might be one of the few viewers who has engaged with Basham’s book. I don’t think the point of the climate change section was to argue for a specific conclusion re. manmade climate change. I think the point Basham is making is that some people in the church are elevating climate change to an undue position. She asserts that is intentional and often done with financial support from non-Christian organizations that have goals contrary to the flourishing of the faith. She also notes that there is a whole swath of people who are downstream from that. My read of the book placed Gavin firmly in the downstream category. These are not people who are receiving funds to spread messages (or even open to it!) but who have been influenced by primary movers (at seminary, parachurch ministries, direct contact, etc.). They’re swimming in waters full of this stuff, and they’re impacted (hear enough people you respect say [insert liberal talking point here]…). To be clear, the picture painted of this category (I’ve not finished listening to the book) is not flattering: people very eager for the approval of the world (read: elites) and to not be viewed as “that kind” of Christian (read: foolish, embarrassing fundamentalists). As I watch this analysis though, I am deeply troubled by the assertions Megan made regarding Gavin. I’m going to have to rewatch everything at length, but for a book that is claiming to “bring receipts,” it seems like she caught a vibe and then cobbled together something to reflect it. I think Gavin has every right to feel misrepresented, and it’s sad that this came from a sister. I’m a bit flummoxed about how to view the book now. I did find elements of the book to be true and helpful (the Covid stuff had me repenting of a lot of attitudes I had early in the pandemic, and thinking of people I need to apologize to), but this is deeply problematic.
@edr245
Ай бұрын
Woof, not sure why my other comment isn't showing up: but Megan did confirm on X (in a reply to one of Gavin's posts) that she didn't claim Gavin was "for sale." Her full post: "They weren't. At all. I showed who was for sale in that chapter and don't even imply that this was Orland's motivation." This went up before the video, and I'm sure Gavin saw it since he responded to the string and then deleted his tweet. I think it would be helpful for Gavin to acknowledge that (his other points still stand!) in the spirit of honesty and transparency. If he needs additional clarity, then he can certainly as for it.
@Constructing_Christianity
Ай бұрын
I've also read a good part of it and have to agree with you. Where she is citing public records about funding I'm guessing there is a lot of truth to what she is saying, and that truth is deeply problematic. It then seems she ruined it by trying to formulate a narrative that isn't nearly as solid as tracking the money itself.
@rolandxb3581
Ай бұрын
@@edr245@edr245 She writes a book with the topic and title of "Pastors for Sale", gives Mr. Ordlund an entire chapter, the first one, iirc. She then maliciously twists his words to imply he dismisses any opposition as "hoax" and "conspiracy theories" and words, and now someone points it out, she pretends she never meant to say he's for sale? No way we should now all pretend she never meant any harm. Instead of admitting her mistakes, intentional misrepresentations, her slander and apologizing, she seems to want us to forget about them. Gavin would be fully in his rights to request she takes back not just the "for sale" accusation, but all the other things too. It often seems in the current discourse as if ideology has replaced religion. So much of this toxic stuff.
@adamr.6889
Ай бұрын
@@edr245 Gavin is deleting comments. He deleted mine earlier when I directed folks toward David Morrill's response.
@edr245
Ай бұрын
@@rolandxb3581 Brother, I have no desire to quarrel with you. Gavin has specific claims that are worthy of answer. I think Megan overstates things about him, but I also think Gavin overstates the claims made about him in this book. I am not trying to make an equivalency between the weight of those claims. I am acknowledging that his characterization does not help Christians think clearly, particularly when he knows many of his viewers haven't read the book and relying entirely on him to present the material. I read this chapter. Gavin is not the subject of chapter 1. He is a mention toward the end of a chapter to illustrate the trickle down of these ideas to popular pastors, apologists, and influencers, particularly those with connections to groups like TGC. Basham does not imply he's for sale nor does she supply a motive for his position. I do not expect you to read this book, but this was my honest read of it. I was really surprised to see some of Gavin's claims in this video because they were not at all in line with what I read. Was it an unflattering caricature? Definitely. Can he dispute the characterization? Absolutely! He has and she should answer his assertions of dishonesty. But we should ALL be careful. Hyperbole and mischaracterization can cut both ways. The wise way to answer perceived dishonesty is to call it out and await an answer (which Gavin has done in this video). I also think he steps over the line here, and I think your comment does too. I say this in love, and with an honest desire to just cool things down a little. It's fine for dishonesty and false witness to anger you (it angers the Lord!), but please don't sin in your anger.
@nathanpeereboom761
Ай бұрын
Dr. Ortlund, I know it can be discouraging to be (unfairly) critiqued in this way, but I wanted to thank you for the work you do. Like you, I've dealt with a lot of angst in regards to my faith. But thanks to you and other apologetic KZitem channels, I've been able to overcome that angst and doubt, and my faith is now far stronger than it's ever been. You're work is truly a blessing to the church, and the gentleness with which you always speak is something I wholly believe the church needs more of right now. God bless you.
@kmyers2337
Ай бұрын
I went to post a review on her book and Amazon had a pop up saying it noticed unusual activity on her book reviews so they are not currently allowing reviews on it. Interesting. In reading some of the 1 star reviews, I saw Ortlund mentioned multiple times.
@JosThoSul
Ай бұрын
What is the definition of "fundamentalist"? I tend to hear that word thrown around as a Boogeyman word... It's generally an insult used to dismiss the other party.
@aka.yehoshua
Ай бұрын
What a pity that she pulled the trigger on an ENTIRE book that goes to such an extent without reaching out to the people she accused first.
@markmusatau1929
Ай бұрын
“Journalists” for sale. Lololol
@lindahunter399
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this clarification! I’m half way through this book and wow.. let The undiscerning mind beware! When she started in on you in the first chapter, I couldn’t believe it. Thanks again ; I appreciate Truth Unites and your work!
@themukster1
Ай бұрын
Well, I guess Dr. Ortlund is my favorite preppy guru 😂
@carynmason3421
Ай бұрын
Truth is SO important. Thank you for bringing this to light, i had thought about reading the book but obviously wont now. It saddens me the misrepresentation and mischaracterization of you. This is unjust.
@DavidJHarris43
Ай бұрын
Who else came here for the "preppy guru vibes?"
@stephenbailey9969
Ай бұрын
"Surely they want to truth to be told?" Unless they are trying to sell books, in which case inflaming passions is often more profitable than accuracy. Selling to a predefined niche with an established outlook makes those profits more certain.
@ccdnpb820
Ай бұрын
Wow. So disappointing. I agree with most of what you say, but even where we disagree, I appreciate your integrity and irenic tone.
@carolyngraber4326
Ай бұрын
My husband and I are so thankful for you, Dr. Ortlund. God bless you.
@sarah-annchaddick4908
Ай бұрын
I’m so sorry about this, Gavin. Praying for clarity and unity in the body. God bless you.
@Klara19873
Ай бұрын
Excellent calm and measured response, your point is very clearly demonstrated. Wonderful you could show such grace in the face of this frustrating unfairness
@Eloign
Ай бұрын
May the Lord reveal Truth and unite His people in Jesus Name!
@ExNihiloComesNothing
Ай бұрын
I think you are dead wrong about this topic as well as evolution. But you aren’t represented accurately here and I would say slandered. Love your channel and ministry AND dislike your science stuff. God bless
@josenestorgutierrez3795
Ай бұрын
As a follower of you from Spain in Europe I am very sorry that you have to go through this and that you have to waste your precious time in defending from these false and stupid acusition. It is thanks to you (and to Leonardo de Chirico) that I have adquire enough knowledge to enter into debate with many catholic peope and show them the ways of the Lord. Your work has been a blessing to me and has equipped me to be a blessing to others.
@derekmchardy8730
Ай бұрын
Thanks Gavin. Very well said. By describing this trashy, dishonest book as 'very well researched ' John McArthur brings dishonour upon himself.
@legomegaman101
Ай бұрын
It wouldn't surprise me if john didn't even know who ortlund is lol
@HearGodsWord
Ай бұрын
@@legomegaman101 I wondered the same.
@mikekrall3611
16 күн бұрын
Jesus commanded that we must always try to resolve our grievances with each other PRIVATELY before involving others (Matt 18:15-17); Megan should’ve talked with you privately about her concerns in good faith before deciding to attack you in a public book.
@VickersJon
Ай бұрын
I pray that including you in her book will lead many to your brilliant channel. God give the truth of your gospel to this nation.
@Kupthenomad
Ай бұрын
As a Catholic & former Reformed Baptist I have great respect for Gavin. He seems to be the real deal as far as I can tell.
@Zonie-xv9ep
Ай бұрын
Tim Keller was a influenced by marxism. His city evangelism approach involved lots of compromising with false liberal narratives like "white privilege" and avoiding talking about abortion and sexuality as much as possible. It was a failure, the cities are worse, and more secular, than ever before. I'm disgusted that I used to follow a lot of his ideas, people like him influenced other formally admirable organizations like Cru (I used to be a staff member and almost got indoctrinated by there critical race theory garbage back in 2015) Marxism is incompatible with the gospel and the Christian life. Thank God for people like Voddie Bachum and Alisa Childers who helped be see these false teachings for what they are.
@bkay07
Ай бұрын
A little late to the game but just wanted to chime in and let you know that you have another sister in Christ praying for you. Since I came across your work, you have been a Christian leader that I look to when aiming for unity within the church. You + your brother have been such a blessing within my faith walk. And I am not a calvinist - so that says a lot! ;) What the enemy intends for evil in this moment, I believe the Lord will use for good. You being placed in this book, at this exact moment in time, in many ways feels random (and unwarranted). I don't quite understand why this is happening but when I shift my eyes to Jesus Christ's heart for humanity, God's sovereignty and the story of Joseph, I begin to think of all the lives that have the potential to be impacted for eternity through your response along with biblically sound content now being highlighted. The fact that the Lord would allow one of His children whose KZitem page is literally called Truth Unites to be thrown into the middle of a controversial conversation has me believing that the Lord is up to something. As Christians we have one real enemy and it is not each other. I am sorry you are going through this right now and will continue to pray for you! May the Lord be glorified in all things! :)
@Timartyn
Ай бұрын
Gavin, your witness is on display consistently as you show grace, humility, and integrity in every video. Those who disagree on topics of theology and ministry see it just as well as those who agree. Anyone who aims to resemble Christ online can discern quickly that Megan has a habit of angsty, unthoughtful, and awkward writing. Megan Basham is not someone who we should take seriously on simple issues which she gets so wrong so often. I write that while truly putting aside her politics. Her general posture, her assessment of you, and more speaks to her lack of credibility and discernment on a basic level.
@austin_penn
Ай бұрын
As if there isn’t a multitude of other prot pastors she could’ve attacked justifiably…
@begelston
Ай бұрын
Maybe you could get Megan on for an interview. That would be really great.
@ravissary79
Ай бұрын
No such luck. He's all about irenic dialog. She just doubled down on X a huge amount and still hasn't mase any attempt to actually talk to Gavin or seek clarity.
@begelston
Ай бұрын
@@ravissary79 With God, all things are possible. 😃
@ravissary79
Ай бұрын
@@begelston indeed! God is good!
@kevinlott5228
11 күн бұрын
I’m so sick of “campism” in the church. Everyone has to have a camp, and those outside of your camp are canceled. It’s so antithetical to Christianity
@jrhemmerich
Ай бұрын
Very much appreciate the measured response given the level and type of criticism. Being faithful is the best response to false accusations. Further up and further in.
@ClauGutierrezY
Ай бұрын
It's interesting how polarisation in the US, being as outlandish as it is, nurtures the kind of environment where extreme lefts and rights go so far off as to the point of start looking eye-to-eye regarding intellectual dishonesty and tactics.
@jimluebke3869
Ай бұрын
"I'm not a scientist, but basic mechanics seem plausible to me" -- I'm an engineer with extensive experience with statistical models, and I can tell you that while the basic mechanics suggest one thing, climate hysterics blow it out of proportion. If you look at the honest scientific calculate of CO2's contribution (the mechanism you cite), it is _much_ smaller than climate hysterics indicate. It's like saying that because the wadeable creek you live beside is putting 2x its usual gallons / minute into the ocean, that's going to cause ocean levels to rise. The models they use to amplify their numbers, are simply not precise enough to use to determine "yup, terrible things are going to happen, and CO2 or methane or whatever is to blame". They attempting to use a tool that is completely unsuitable for the job they are trying to do.
@chrisbarrett4637
Ай бұрын
I wish some representative evidence supporting and challenging this position would cited along with their sources. One does not have to have a career in science to apply good methods.
@jimluebke3869
Ай бұрын
@@chrisbarrett4637 Look up a book called "Shattered Consensus", that has a lot of good material in it. Sadly the models I worked on are proprietary, or I could walk you through the issues we had in all the statistical sausage-making glory.
@jimluebke3869
Ай бұрын
@@chrisbarrett4637 When I post evidence
@jimluebke3869
Ай бұрын
@@chrisbarrett4637 KZitem
@jimluebke3869
Ай бұрын
@@chrisbarrett4637 deletes it
@BipolarDistortion
Ай бұрын
Gavin, I greatly appreciate your ministry & faithfulness to the Scriptures & church history.
@justjason7662
Ай бұрын
To be clear; I disagree with Dr. Ortlund on quite a few things… respectfully and carefully. His interpretation of Genesis and the creation narrative, evolution, Calvinism, just to name a few. I also agree with him on probably a much larger number of topics. On this topic of climate change I also disagree with Dr. Ortlund. My personal views are that climate change is most likely real, but not man made and is likely a natural part of earth’s cycle. All life has been wiped out on earth numerous times, they were… massive climate change events. PERHAPS there is possibility that we’re speeding up a massive change event resulting in the extinction of all life. But I think both sides are pretty absurd on this topic. With that said… Megan does appear to be intentionally making deceptive claims and charges against Dr. Ortlund. I honestly don’t know how to view it other than… deliberate and consciously lying for sensational book sales. And I’m a Daily Wire subscriber and supporter. I have biases on ALL sides of this issue! 😂 I generally agree with the claims of the book! It looks like to me that Dr. Ortlund is on her target list of leftist propagandists and she’s attempting to reconcile her claim with whatever evidence she can because the claim has already been made. So where it MAY have been a mistake at some point, it is now officially a lie to reconcile the claim. Just my thoughts. Megan is wrong and seems to be dishonest in trying to prove her claim Ortlund is wrong on some issues but is honest about his words and beliefs I’d rather listen to Ortlund in that equation.
@chrisharmony160
21 күн бұрын
The amount of Grace shown in this video incredibly encouraging and refreshing.
@beckyp7585
Ай бұрын
Thanks for responding, Gavin! It is SO disheartening to see this book being promoted and praised by Christians. Indeed, this is not the way! Such bad faith. It is unreal to me that heresy hunting pays such dividends. Lord help us to show the world how to love the way you love, with truth AND grace.
@bencook6585
Ай бұрын
I rarely agree with you on theology (hello, from a Catholic brother), but this video I agree with you on fully. I watch your content often and none of her charges either generally or specific to the video she references are borne our in reality. I pray the truth would be evident to all who read the book and see your content. God Bless
@Tch319
Ай бұрын
I’m really glad I watched this.
@roses993
Ай бұрын
Wow gavin!! So many opponents!!!. And you always defend your points with grace and logic and come out winning!. Be encouraged, you are doing something great. One of the very best protestant apologists, i know you will be alright, brother. Thank you for defending our protestant faith. God bless😊😊
@LucasBlair-z3n
13 күн бұрын
This is horrible misrepresentation of you and I think people will see through that. Keep doing what you’re doing Gavin! You’re doing the Lord’s work!
@samwhittaker9179
Ай бұрын
As always, I appreciate your calm, measured tone and the specificity of your response.
@mottgirl13
Ай бұрын
It’s through your polite and courteous way of arguing, helped me see beyond the argument and how to respond in a practical and gracious way. Keep modelling it!! Because you always point it back to God and showcase all of His attributes. Thank you!
@granth537
Ай бұрын
Thank you for always promoting humility and truth Gavin.
@MikeOzmun
Ай бұрын
As someone who has benefitted greatly from your ministry, and has a completely polar opinion on the issue being discussed (climate change) from you, I appreciate and agree with your defense of yourself here. She definitely is bearing false witness. People must stop gravitating toward group-think and political tribalism, and dedicate themselves to the Lord and his truth alone. God bless you and thank you for your ministry.
@greenmareviews
Ай бұрын
It seems that she may be the very thing she is accusing others of. It's sad that as Christians we fail to be an example of Godly relationship.
@jayv3264
Ай бұрын
It's interesting she doesn't consider that you have a KZitem channel and get to spend hours debunking and rebutting her if you want, lol. It's ironic in that working for the Daily Wire this dynamic is her and their bread & butter. Her lack of solidity diminishes her credibility.
@Rachel_1177
Ай бұрын
"In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity" These smug, self-righteous, judgmental youtubers who call themselves Christians with their self-appointed ministries of calling out fellow Christians are doing nothing but causing division and hatred within the kingdom. I, for one, am sick of it!
Пікірлер: 1,7 М.