I’m a Melburnian and I’m disappointed. Like it’s a delay followed by another delay by another delay by ANOTHER DELAY. I prefer making the Rowville line first, tbh.
@fatheranthony4pope
Ай бұрын
I'd prefer the Point Cook line or MM2 before Roweville...
@johnlang4198
Ай бұрын
At the heart of it all is an avaricious Melbourne Airport Corporation that is continuing to do everything in its power to delay the line, so that it can continue raking in an absolute shitload of money from its exorbitant parking fees. I wish that the Federal Government had some sway over the airport so it could just be built.
@xr6lad
Ай бұрын
Actually at the heart of it is 10 year old transit nerds with no understanding of how the airport was designed before they were born because they can’t be bothered to research and believe everything told them. The airport from day 1 was designed to have a station UNDER the terminal and everything built since has revolved around that happening. It is a cheap Labor government (the one usually loved by said transit nerds) that decided to do the cheap way out of threading an elevated line in. DESPITE apparently have $60 billion plus and rising for a suburban underground rail loop with underground stations!
@xr6lad
Ай бұрын
Actually at the heart of it is 10 year old transit fans with no understanding of how the airport was designed before they were born because they can’t be bothered to research and believe everything told them. The airport from day 1 was designed to have a station UNDER the terminal and everything built since has revolved around that happening. Look at the space between the terminal and the hotel. Lucky if it’s 200 metres. Great - trains rumbling through - fantastic for guest sleeping. It is a cheap Labor government (the one usually loved by said transit fans) that decided to do the cheap way out of threading an elevated line in. DESPITE apparently have $60 billion plus and rising for a suburban underground rail loop with underground stations!
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
The State Government isn't at all bothered about rail to the airport or PT to the airport at all. If it wanted to it could have the station in the PT hub behind T4. In the meanwhile is the State Government improving the pathetic provision currently to the airport which consist of 3 Bus Routes, 2 of which only meets minimum specs of every 30 mins weekdays and hourly on weekends till 9.00 and a Smart Bus route that runs every 30 mins on weekends? It is a joke. And the State Government keeps on changing the scope. The Airport Leg should be removed as a branch to the Melbourne Metro and Wyndhamvale and Melton/Bacchus Marsh should be electrified and the Western Rail Plan reinstated. The State could just reuse old freight infrastructure up to Airport West and when the Metro is up and running, use the track from South Kensington to North Melbourne to gain access to the CBD. It can all be done on the cheap.
@joshanderson9391
Ай бұрын
The problem is the Victorian Government has no say on the land that Melbourne airport sits on. In the 1990s the land was owned by the Federal government, Keating sold off the land to Melbourne airport corporation in one of the dumbest moves in their government. Now the Victorian Government has no way to access or force the airport to comply with out the Federal government forcing it first. One of the many disappointing things about the Albanese government is not forcing Melbourne airport to the table, they could do this by withholding Federal Aviation grants to the airport or even threaten to shut down services, since the reason Melbourne airport doesn't want the train line is because of all the money made on car parking fees.
@xr6lad
Ай бұрын
Actually at the heart of it is 10 year old transit nerds with no understanding of how the airport was designed before they were born because they can’t be bothered to research and believe everything told them. The airport from day 1 was designed to have a station UNDER the terminal and everything built since has revolved around that happening. It is a cheap Labor government (the one usually loved by said transit nerds) that decided to do the cheap way out of threading an elevated line in. DESPITE apparently have $60 billion plus and rising for a suburban underground rail loop with underground stations! But it won’t do the same for the airport?
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
John Howard was Prime Minister in 1997 not Paul Keating. I hope they don't build it. Ben Carroll thinking that $17 Billion for an effing train to the airport so that Keilor East, a suburb much smaller than Melton, Tarneit or Wyndhamvale can have a station is ridiculous.
@jdillon8360
Ай бұрын
@@mjcats2011 I'm gonna guess that Josh meant to say Kennet, not Keating. Kennet was Victorian premier in 1997.
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
@jdillon8360 So the Feds should shut down Melbourne Airport because of a spat over a rai link. That is stupid. I personally do not want a rail link costing North of $10 Billion especially when WAbuilt there's for $2 Billion. If the state government is serious they would just build the thing in the PT Bus Terminal. But they are not. It is all a distraction. Outside of the big build the transport policy sucks.
@RealNotOrrio
25 күн бұрын
@@xr6ladif you were telling the truth, the question is how do 10 year olds have say in parliament given they cant vote.
@clawscrab3497
Ай бұрын
My dad didn't live long enough to see airport rail happen, passing away 6 months ago...I am hoping it'll happen in my lifetime.
@TeamEXAngus
Ай бұрын
4:22 you mention tunnel boring machines, but considering they're digging under car parks it would be much cheaper to use cut and cover methods. Who am I kidding... the airport wouldn't allow that because it would disrupt their precious parking revenue
@xr6lad
Ай бұрын
Actually at the heart of it is transit fans with no understanding of how the airport was designed before they were born because they can’t be bothered to research and believe everything told them. The airport from day 1 was designed to have a station UNDER the terminal and everything built since has revolved around that happening. It is a cheap Labor government (the one usually loved by said transit fans) that decided to do the cheap way out of threading an elevated line in. DESPITE apparently have $60 billion plus and rising for a suburban underground rail loop with underground stations! But can’t do the same at the airport. There’s approx 200 metres between the airport terminal and the hotel /car park frontage. Oh and let me know when the complainers would sacrifice income for the greater good?
@sjam2711
Ай бұрын
Interesting video! Hopefully the MARL is built soon, Melbourne deserves a rail link for sure. $20 for a bus is highway robbery (quite literally) and the city absolutely deserves better. Can’t believe they’re paying as much as we in Sydney pay for a far lower-quality service. Good luck Melbourne 🫡
@tsetstransport
Ай бұрын
Thanks Sharath! I completely agree with your points. :)
@antonplaysroblox1
Ай бұрын
@@tsetstransportcan I become a member
@thenetheriteminecart384
Ай бұрын
@@tsetstransport I'm a Melburnian and just want the Airport Rail Link, I think it should be underground, as well as if they also do the Suburban Rail Loop then I could get it from my line, the Lilydale line, when will we get those metro trains running to the airport? Seems like it's coming in 2069.
@Alfsrapedungeon
Ай бұрын
get the 901 its free unless you tap on
@Alfsrapedungeon
Ай бұрын
@@thenetheriteminecart384 nahh we are in record debt thanks to dan andrews,, cant afford it
@sandrafowler6717
Ай бұрын
A railway line to the airport should have been many many years ago, both the Labour and Liberal governments have just sat and twiddled their thumbs.
@topher1976au
Ай бұрын
Kennett wrote citylink contracts in such a way that they would have a monopoly for decades.
@tdb7992
Ай бұрын
I spent 12 years living in Melbourne, and now I'm back in Perth. Honestly, Perth's system is so much easier and better. Frequencies are better, it's cheaper, it's cleaner and it's all really well connected to the bus network so getting around is so much easier. Perth seems to be able to build new sections for a fraction of what Melbourne is able to, even when tunnelling is concerned (Perth's entire airport line with two 8km tunnels, two underground stations, one surface station cost $1.8b). I just did a quick google and Melbourne's line is expected to cost $13b. I love Melbourne with all my heart but good grief.
@wence25games89
Ай бұрын
Perth had some issues running on-time but succeeded. Perth should deserve to be a model how to build a fast train line in complex, car-dependant suburbia. Mandurah line demonstrates that well!
@jdillon8360
Ай бұрын
@@wence25games89 Is Perth airport on privately owned land? I'm from Melbourne so I ask out of geniune curiosity. I think there's some information we aren't being told in Melbourne. I think the folks running Melbourne airport don't want a rail link, as they make lots of money from carparking fees. Plus, I'm pretty sure Victoria doesn't even own the land that Melbourne airport sits on, so they really can't force the airport to do anything. There's probably a multitude of reasons as to why rail infrastructure is cheaper to build in Perth.
@nathanjsimpson
Ай бұрын
There’s no way that a ticket on a train to Melbourne Airport will cost $5, or thereabouts. They will charge a premium price, similar to Sydney. It should be built as more options for commuters can only be a good thing.
@The_Real_DreamM
Ай бұрын
Some coins for the sky bus when you come to Melbourne 😂
@tsetstransport
Ай бұрын
Haha! Thanks so much for the donation! I’ll be sure to have that saved for the SkyBus 😜
@LouisChang-le7xo
Ай бұрын
@@tsetstransport one day... it will be done
@angusphotographyperth
29 күн бұрын
problem was selling melbourne airport and privitising it
@bigdude101ohyeah
24 күн бұрын
Most of the Suburban Rail Loop is still in the process of being planned, and will take a long time to be built (if it gets built at all). The Western sections of the SRL (both the Airport Rail Link and the line to Werribee) are somewhat halfarsed - in that they're using the Airport Rail Link and the Wyndham Vale Line (with an extension to Werribee) as part of the SRL. Essentially it means that there would be two lines to the airport - a train from Sunshine (ARL/SRL Airport/West) and an automated metro from Broadmeadows (SRL North). I assume Neil Scales is doing a good job, I assume working for QR meant dealing with BCC's bull all the time.
@The_Real_DreamM
Ай бұрын
It’s ridiculous that a major City like Melbourne still hasn’t got this done. As for the $5b each that both State &Fed gov have committed, well you can triple that by the time they start…. Awesome video. Thanks 👍
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
It should not even cost $5 Billion. Most of the Infrastructure is there.
@Chadtransportvlogs
Ай бұрын
Great video
@michaelrapson
Ай бұрын
The Labor government is not mainly to blame for the malaise. For those of us old enough to remember him, Liberal premier Henry Bolte wanted a car city. All the planning was for freeways and the Liberals are still pretty much focused on car transport even today.
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
If you think that apart from the Andrews Government that only the Liberals are car focused I want what you are smoking. Public Transport did not improve under Bracks, or Brumby.
@Alfsrapedungeon
Ай бұрын
and? personal transport is superior to mass transit,, it is quieter, more peaceful, your not in danger from gangs etc, you can go where and when you choose, and not just to a stop at a certain time etc...
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
@@Alfsrapedungeon So we should spend more money on freeways, damaging the environment because of selfish people like you. Victoria is effectively because of its pro freeway policy.
@Similingdumpling
Ай бұрын
Hey man! Great video. Could you do a stream again?
@rogertull8888
Ай бұрын
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BUILD THE ABOVE GROUND RAILWAY PORTION TO THE EDGE OF THE AIRPORT LAND. THEN THE AIRPORT HAS TO BUILD THE REST OF THE RAILWAY TO THE TERMINAL/S AT IT OWN EXPENSE
@aussiejohn5835
Ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, and I can see similarities to the development of Sydney's airport line. Before Sydney had its airport line, the Urban transit/State Transit Authority operated an airport express bus service that picked up at city hotels and then operated to the airport with the return journey setting down at city hotels and this service was very popular. The Macquarie Bank owned Sydney Airport and built the airport stations but added an access fee, which still exists today. The problem was that people found the airport express bus to be cheaper and more convenient than the airport train, which didn't sit well with the airport owners. The airport owners believed that the NSW government was depriving them of potential income with unfair competition, and consequently, the airport express bus service was withdrawn. The point of this long story is that maybe the Skybus organisation does not want to lose business to the Melbourne Metro with unfair competition. This, of course, depends on who currently owns and operates the Skybus. Will Melbourne face the same problems with the owners of the airport as Sydney did. Great video Elliot. Well done 👏 👍
@tsetstransport
Ай бұрын
Thanks John! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the information on Sydney’s Airport before a rail line. :)
@aussiejohn5835
Ай бұрын
@@tsetstransport you're very welcome 👍
@waltercoslovi6404
14 күн бұрын
At least Sydney's new western Sydney airport will have a metro link to St Mary's and then change for trains to Sydney CBD, that goes north , the is no link to go south or at least to Leppington which then you can get a train to Sydney Kingsford Smith, which I don't think will happen. Good luck Melbourne.
@jdillon8360
29 күн бұрын
There's no way the train to the airport will cost $5. If it's ever built.
@fatheranthony4pope
Ай бұрын
I want the Airport Rail Link, but lets not pretend that it is the key to having a world class Public Transport network. The key to that is coverage, reliablity and frequency.
@jdillon8360
Ай бұрын
Agreed. Airport rail links are nice, but not essential. The billions involved could run hundreds of buses in outer suburbs 7 days a week, allowing people to reduce car dependency.
@adrianwatson9277
Ай бұрын
As someone from regional Victoria at the moment . why is Australia's biggest city no rail link is crazy . i do take skybus quite often and i can say skybus is very expensive and yet you can go to broadmedows and get bus to airport very cheap
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
Yeah but Train to Broady and 901 to the Airport is unreliable.
@jameswingad9178
Ай бұрын
Good video, but putting the station above ground is a very big mistake. There is no expansion opportunities if the station is above ground. And TBM's don't require large pits to launch, they can be launched from the entrance ramps of the tunnel... there is also sufficient area to not even need TBM's you can cut and cover to build the station and line out from the airport.
@Alfsrapedungeon
Ай бұрын
cheaper to go above, than tunnel below,, we cant afford it anyways since dan got us in record debt
@jameswingad9178
Ай бұрын
@Alfsrapedungeon well that is the crux of the issue, Vic Government can't afford it, so to save face they have made it an us vs them trying to get people to believe that the worse option is what we should get.
@TangaraTrainExplain
Ай бұрын
0:20 bro used the Building Beautifully music
@tsetstransport
Ай бұрын
Sorry for using a new non-copyright music app buddy. It was a popular song on the app, so I used it lol
@TangaraTrainExplain
29 күн бұрын
@@tsetstransport No problem.
@jack2453
24 күн бұрын
Why not just exend the trams and be done with it? ( much cheaper and delivered sooner)
@HavinganAmazingLife
2 күн бұрын
To much money in parking fees made at the Airport for them to make it easy to build a railway. Corporate greed at its best.
@LouisChang-le7xo
Ай бұрын
At least when it's finally done, you'll have a fast link to the city center. It's not like here in the US where we build light rail to airport terminals but trains come painfully infrequently. I'm pretty sure melbourne will do than every 15 minutes, because it's called a metro right? Also at least you guys treat transit like something regular people use, as reflected in the skybus fare. In cities that dont have trams to airport you have an hourly city bus that seems to stop every few meters.
@Detrabot
Ай бұрын
It may be called metro but ‘metro’ level frequencies only happens during peak hours around 5-15 mins per train depending on the lines. Hopefully Melbourne government will understand that this line will need to have more frequency off peak for the airport. The skybus is actually a direct bus to the city, while there are frequent stopping busses to the nearer suburbs. There was a tram link to Essendon airport nearby, but then the main airport was moved out more to the outskirts.
@matthewpage3356
Ай бұрын
Funny how Sydney going to have a second airport line before Melbourne. Wouldn’t be surprised if Sydney have a third airport line before Melbourne got one line
@mgp1203
Ай бұрын
NSW Government are actually doing a case to convert Glenfield to Leppington to metro and extend it to the new airport this month, so this very likely might be the case. I think they realised the St Mary's line isn't convenient for most of Western Sydney.
@raildoestravel
Ай бұрын
I practically only ever visit melbourne by train, some of the reasons being to avoid the airport and cost saving
@biot_travel
Ай бұрын
interesting range of views. the current rail plan is rubbish anyway, why would you put a train through sunshine is beyond me - the western suburban rail corridor is going to get over congested in the coming years as it is. my 2c is the airport station needs to be underground as it needs to have multiple platforms (for a thing called the future:) )and the airport is going to have to go under massive refurbishment at some stage because it to is a utter mess. if they build it above ground it will cause only more disruptions and planning issues when they actually start doing the building they should have done years ago. The good airports have direct or dedicated rail lines to their major cities.
@ajstransportawptv
Ай бұрын
I've never been to Melbourne Airport before so I haven't really be inconvenienced because there is no Airport line (I live in Wodonga) I personally think the suburban Rail loop should be built alongside the current Melbourne Airport Line, especially since the suburban rail loop is already being built underground for the most part, why not make the SRL go underground at the Airport? Especially considering the SRL will be a Metro system, not a regular railway. having the SRL connect Melbourne Airport would be useful for people who are staying at a place in the suburbs and its not just that, The SRL useful for all kinds of trips, Considering that Broadmeadows is one of the stops on the SRL and I wanted to see my cousins over in Chadstone, I could take the loop over and get off on their line and take the train to them. having both the loop and a dedicated Melbourne Airport line being built from the city would be useful so people don't need to transfer often.
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
The SRL North Airport has not even finished planning stages and are not due for completion until the late 2040's.
@--enyo--
Ай бұрын
I’ve missed a flight on Skybus because it was caught in traffic despite leaving an hour early. Now I just get Uber because even though it’s $10 more expensive and not great for the environment it’s still better than Skybus.
@Gamer-zz7iq
Ай бұрын
honestly this is both the governments fault and airports fault for not making a good enough connection, like i mean, the airport west tram line may not be the best, but its currently the closest and cheapest option to the airport right now while we wait for the airprot rail link and when the airport rail link opens, it should be a quad track express up to tullamarine with extra stops at sunshine north, airport west and tullamarine, not just a pitstop in keilor east and there should be both a stopper service through the city loop or metro tunnel and an express service from flinders street only stopping at the major stops and the airport. these are just my opinions (someone make this in NIMBY rails lol)
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
Pity that the Bus Service from Airport West to the Airport is crap. Quad Track, really? That is quite frankly ridculous. I would rather the State Government do it on the absolute cheap and reinstate the Western Rail Plan. Pare the budget down to $4 Billion. Anything over $5 Billion is ridiculus.
@Gamer-zz7iq
Ай бұрын
@@mjcats2011 i was saying quad track so express trains dont get stuck behind the stopper trains and can bypass them
@17H-W
Ай бұрын
by the way, the rail bridge only takes one or two years or months whereas an underground station would take 8 years
@vladsnape6408
Ай бұрын
If the Australian Labor and Liberal governments did not give away (to their corporate mates) many tens of billions $AU in (lost) tax revenue from gas producers, there would have been more than enough to build the Melbourne airport link rail link.
@mjcats2011
Ай бұрын
The Feds have already given $5 Billion. The State should do it on the cheap. What a ridiculous statement. The State Government's lack of skill is mostly to blame. They could get the ARTC to remodel the trackwork for them from West Footscray to Airport West. The ARTC has already resleepered and realigned 600 Metres of Broad Gauge and the Tottenham to Airport West Corridor is part of the Inland Rail Project. I would not even electrify the line. Just refurbish and use the Sprinters and build simple stations at Sunshine West and Keilor East and a simple cut and cover station in the PT Bus Terminal near T4.
@WhatIsThisPuzzle
Ай бұрын
$20 for a sky bus. Sydney siders spending 20 dollars (approx) for a 8km ride from the city to the airport.
@andrewyoung3299
Ай бұрын
You can go from the airport to the Central Coast for that up there!
@Alfsrapedungeon
Ай бұрын
or get the 901 its free unless you tap on XD
@hayleyivanov2088
Ай бұрын
Clam your 2 minute ticket here
@xr6lad
Ай бұрын
It’s obvious everyone blaming the airport in here has no idea (no doubt being millennials and zoomers) how the airport was designed to have an underground terminal and everything built since has assumed that.
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