There's a not insignificant amount of "clips of Mew2King getting bodied" to "stage is now banned per backrooms" on this list, I'm just saying
@Kawaiilolrofl
Ай бұрын
Yeah I feel like m2k hurt the game a lot in the long run
@shady8045
15 күн бұрын
Literally one example
@theronjohnson2640
Жыл бұрын
Legalize Pokefloats
@atwistedb
Жыл бұрын
TRUE
@afraidbysnow3895
Жыл бұрын
I miss this nonsense of a map
@sg21yt
Жыл бұрын
100%
@FranXiT
Жыл бұрын
Legalize nuclear bombs
@toxic_shr00m
Жыл бұрын
legalize nuclear bombs
@cynical_perks8725
Жыл бұрын
I wanna watch a Smash tourney where hundreds of dollars are on the line and the guy who came second got hit by a stage hazard because he was too distracted trying to pick up a Master Ball.
@RePlayQ
Жыл бұрын
There was one for brawl ran by Nintendo. A 12 year old who never competed before won cause he got busted pokeballs and assist trophies every time. The tournament was considered a sham.
@DANCERcow
Жыл бұрын
It was a sham because they couldn't couldn't control the outcome as effectively as a no items 1 v 1 lol the smash community on the competitive side are generally full of scrubs even at the highest level!
@mcadminbro2139
Жыл бұрын
@@DANCERcow why even compete then. It’s not a competition at that point it’s gambling.
@tetros5265
Жыл бұрын
@@DANCERcow As a competitive melee player, I think a items and stage hazards ruleset could be really fun! There would just have to be a limited ruleset, things with reasonable power fairness counterplay etc. being considered.
@hia5235
Жыл бұрын
Ironically banning items only simplified the game. Made it have less replay value. Less fun, and solidified tiers (awful)
@youngrootv
Жыл бұрын
Gah damn Coney hitting us with the deep human psychology lesson when he was talking about the backroom thing lol
@ValueNetwork
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the “banzai bill” from the Mario movie was actually called a “boomer bill” Some people seem to think Boomer bill is a replacement for the Banzai bill and it’s actually the same enemy,… but it’s not. It’s a unique type of bill and the Banzai still exists. How do I know this? Because the Boomer bill is a reference to the Lego Mario sets. Lego Mario invented a new type of bill because Bullet bills were too small and Banzai bills were too big for the Lego set. So they made a middle ground enemy. And they put that in the movie for some reason
@dhans9662
Жыл бұрын
The boomer bill had the power of a literal nuclear bomb, what kind of ungodly destruction would a banzai bill do?
@justanothermanontheinternet
Жыл бұрын
The greatest sage of our time
@moldomre4838
Жыл бұрын
I thought he called it a Bomber Bill but you sound very smart so I'll believe you. Only on this matter though.
@mac_sour
Жыл бұрын
okay boomer bill
@jestfullgremblim8002
Жыл бұрын
@@moldomre4838 hahaha that's hilarious
@BerserkerLuke
Жыл бұрын
While I mostly get the reasons stages are the way they are in melee, ultimate's legal stage list kills me. The game has like 50+ stages and not even 10 of them are legal. They could just allow the battlefield and fd variations for the sake of different backgrounds, but some idiot will complain because you can wall-jump off the bottom end of certain ones, or the blastzones don't line up perfectly on each version.
@michaelsills8038
8 ай бұрын
Agreed. I cant stand it, sweaty ass players
@mrbuttcheesey
Ай бұрын
Ultimate's ban list bewilders me.
@FrostburnVID
Жыл бұрын
toph used to counterpick to pokefloats and infinite people LMAO
@Nornye
Жыл бұрын
Rishis Jungle Jam should be a more popular side-bracket. Such a fun format
@illford
Жыл бұрын
Lowkey it's a very fun format
@samplesmile
Жыл бұрын
The smash cut-ins were AWESOME. One of my favorite edits from a CONEY vid!
@Styxz__
Жыл бұрын
Hard agree
@MrOofio64
Жыл бұрын
You know what we should do to make melee have it's charm again? Add a new gamemode. A tailered one like Rishi's Jungle Jam.
@cjkmelee
Жыл бұрын
My friends will still gentlemen to the "tiny FD" at bottom of Hyrule Temple
@Alexouais
Жыл бұрын
Got into watching competitive Melee back in 2013 kinda because PS2 was legal. It made me think "oh cool these competitive players still respect the fact that Smash has funny stages, as long as it’s not too janky", it bridged my Smash experience until then and the competitive scene and hooked me
@deschaingames1851
Жыл бұрын
The contempt and venom towards Tingle was way too real.
@AzumaRikimaru
Жыл бұрын
We need seasonal stage rotations and TO shouldn’t be afraid to make their tournament unique.
@Zhanto-j5d
Жыл бұрын
the capcom jojo fighting game has different stages and which one you get is randomly picked depending on the characters, but the thing is differnet stages actually have different lengths corner to corner, so you’ll randomly have a stage that’s either two screens wide or eight. also one stage has a weird piece of decoration that’s in the foreground so you can hide behind it and it’s very funny
@Josuemaneiros7
Жыл бұрын
And that stage is softbanned
@jestfullgremblim8002
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Heritage for the Future rocks!! I still do not undertsand why we haven't gotten a Heritage for the Future 2 or something. All Star battle isn't gonna cut it
@JI0MB
2 ай бұрын
@@jestfullgremblim8002probably because Capcom lost the rights to HftF
@Based_indie_enjoyer
Жыл бұрын
I love it when coney ditches his morals and smashposts for CONTENT
@micahfurlow2624
Жыл бұрын
THE CONTENT GRIND STOPS FOR NOONE
@esoteric7990
Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a tournament once where the rules were reverse legal stages in Melee That was a fun spectate
@bweindel
Жыл бұрын
GOATed editing as usual. Keep killing it
@andysauro1500
Жыл бұрын
We used to have hype sets on Pokefloats and killed the Ice Climbers with that stage. Never forget what they took from us.
@jackyha9445
Жыл бұрын
2050 Coney: It was in 2023 that I learned claptrap, a red one, appeared on
@imESAM
Жыл бұрын
I miss Frigate Orpheon from Brawl :(
@pugiaxe
Жыл бұрын
as much as i hate fox pickers, i feel like a lot of people in chat missed the point in thinking these bans were due to fox players whining, probably because the original video's framing is a little weird in some spots. the reality is that it was the opposite; everyone else complaining about foxes abusing 90% of the banned stages to make the game not fun to play. pretty win/win where we ended up but we should still bring rainbow cruise back
@byrontheusurper6505
Жыл бұрын
Idk what this video is about but even though I've never played it and won't for a while, melee will never loose its charm to me because its community never looses its charm, i could hear meleehead stories for hours on end and not get bored, that's like 40% of why I LOVE the yard!
@typo_fenrir
Жыл бұрын
Coney saying his playstyle is now a raging bull, *smashing his head into his opponent* Honda clip checks out
@djreball9453
Жыл бұрын
i will play melee until the day i die it is an infinitely charming and interesting game from a competitive standpoint
@jestfullgremblim8002
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@beepist5000
Жыл бұрын
Most quit in their mid to late twenties because Melee takes too much upkeep to stay decent, and life generally starts to get complicated at that age.
@Justpassingby204
Жыл бұрын
@@beepist5000That and my hands didn’t rly do well with it.
@venuswine9905
Жыл бұрын
The problem with a lot of these stages is “if a fox main is technical enough” why don’t we just ban fox
@goatfood1504
Жыл бұрын
Why not just ban every character except fox so it’s a fair fights
@SonicTheCutehog
Жыл бұрын
Yoshi's Island 64 could have been legal if the cloud platforms weren't there
@goatfood1504
Жыл бұрын
I think it is legal
@jandaxprss6784
Жыл бұрын
I’m glad this video is here. I feel like we could expand ultimates stage list and we could be more open minded about stages there. But the wrong guy will win once and the end.
@jandaxprss6784
Жыл бұрын
@@name8329 I know right. What happened to no John’s?
@shinigamimiroku3723
Жыл бұрын
4:57 Was not expecting that random Gura "A"... XD
@byrontheusurper6505
Жыл бұрын
13:05 that does look rlly fun.... for the peach
@ckenshin3841
Жыл бұрын
A billionaire that comes into the melee scene, but their ruleset is legal Giga Bowser
@jestfullgremblim8002
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy, is time for some dittos!
@duaneharper6095
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame both players have to deal with the same hazards.
@SomniaCE
Жыл бұрын
Backrooms were so cool growing up. It was always a dream to become a good enough player to get an invite, kinda like what you said lol. I became disillusioned with them around 2012 because I just wanted MK and Icies brought under control and realized it would never happen
@nahnah390
Жыл бұрын
I wish more people like alpharad would make casual tournaments. Those are just so fucking fun. Mind you if you wanted the billionaire to make the worst rules possible, make them do coin battles :P
@jestfullgremblim8002
Жыл бұрын
Noooooooo, not the coin battles! Yes, yes the coin battles lol 😈😈
@Phentem2
Жыл бұрын
I like the Cut ins with game footage, good editing 👍
@codynelson7575
3 ай бұрын
I love how much of Melee and Brawl's history and bans is just M2K, Mango, and other top players not wanting things or getting beat
@futurewario9591
Жыл бұрын
THE BACKROOMS 😱 1:35
@WackJack187
Жыл бұрын
Man.. after branching out into other fighting games from smash, wouldnt go back UNLESS im playing all items on with friends tbh
@GazettiSF
3 ай бұрын
Outside of a few examples, most fighting game players don’t play for fame or whatever like smash players do. It’s weird that they do. I guess when you start calling your top players “god” that will start to happen.
@DNM600
Жыл бұрын
That backroom stuff seems like just a smash bros thing. I play Fighterz, Street Fighter, and Guilty gear and none of those communities have anything like that that I have seen.
@ironpatirot
Жыл бұрын
17:48 This aged incredibly after recent events
@ItsAnGoose
2 ай бұрын
5:35 the arwings can change the angle of their wings so they could fit through that lil gap. Still smaller than it should be tho
@thepsycheduck
Жыл бұрын
See, 80% of the stages are banned because 80% of the stages are fun to play on
@AfroSnackey
Жыл бұрын
Gardevoir model is in 3DS pokedex. High Polygon count
@Xanek
Жыл бұрын
"Brawl's better" voice cracking kid Do wish there was some kind of format to allow more jank stages into some kind of format that people will stream cause genuinely it would be fun to watch matches on stages where various jank and shenanigans happen.
@someguy2350
Жыл бұрын
Love the editing at 3:20, lmfao. 4:18 is my favorite part, though.
@theInstituter
Жыл бұрын
17:00 As a melee head I say that getting into brawl scene was most definitely the correct choice in this scenario
@undividedcoffee9788
Жыл бұрын
To the editor i like the little flares you did like puff jumoing up
@MewtwoStruckBack
Жыл бұрын
The last part of this - big tournament, huge cash prizes all the way down, a ruleset no competitive player would willingly touch if not for the money? That's what I always hoped Nintendo would do. So you'd have the grassroots scene running its own thing for "competitive integrity", but then you have a Nintendo-run tournament series where people go to make money. And people would train for both. "Labbing items" would be a legitimate thing. Ideally the skill gap between a player that's been playing for 1-2 years and a player that's been playing for 5-10 would only be 60-40 in the veteran player's favor in the tournament with the RNG/hazards on - pros would win more often, but you'd never have a scenario where someone has 2+ years of experience, shows up to a tournament, and there's still no point in them plugging in the controller because one of the top 10 players of the game is just going to wipe them off the face of the earth and there's no chance for anything other than that to happen.
@kestrelynn
Жыл бұрын
5:13 meanwhile most us ultimate players whine at slopes moving background, or platforms positioned in a way we havent seen before
@Nikkerman
Жыл бұрын
Melee should just fully say fuck nintendo and use those custom 20xx stages
@Adventureruler
Жыл бұрын
Coney's got balls for making this vid, thats all I gotta say.
@g33p61
Жыл бұрын
🤓technically ganon does have two spikes but neither are stomp because thats a meteor but the last hit of his up air and his arial down b spike
@Noodle-Segootal
Жыл бұрын
I feel like stadium is more intrusive than other stages.... So unban the other stages :)
@tuvillo
Жыл бұрын
I'm in the Yugioh community so talking about a game without financial compensation moving towards clout-chasing kinda hits home.
@Capin91
Жыл бұрын
I dunno about _hating_ melee players, but how can you not _mock_ them?
@Nicochadd
Жыл бұрын
Coney : “Waaaa 😢😢 I hate melee and that cloud is not called Randall Waaaa
@gamenwatch6269
Жыл бұрын
Why is around 9.65% of Ultimate stages legal 🤔
@TheTrueBrawler
Жыл бұрын
Melee at least has some semblance of a reason to have only 6 legal stages in their competitive ruleset (though, frankly, it doesn't even begin to excuse freezing PS1). Considering Ultimate has hazards toggle, that game has absolutely zero excuse. The community is actively taking away from the magic of watching tournaments by having so few stage options, and the problem gets worse when you consider the sheer amount of sets where the players decide to use the gentlemen rule to play on just one of them (PS2) for at least 50% of matches.
@terrordarky
Жыл бұрын
why not just ban stage exploits and unsporting play rather than castrating the stage selection?
@spyguy318
Жыл бұрын
Coney complaining that melee players are lame and should unban more stages, then goes through each stage one by one and realizing exactly why they’re banned
@stoneraptor6219
Жыл бұрын
Wait why was Brinstar banned? Outside of the lava that stage is fun af
@modobo
Жыл бұрын
I'll need to remember "Like a raging bull" since that's how I also play these days. Though in Ultimate I also main Bowser so yeah he's combo food at first, but every single stock you WILL be fighting a Bowser with rage and one that fights like a man with nothing to lose.
@byrontheusurper6505
Жыл бұрын
13:35 coney.... gardevoir is in this game my guy!
@byrontheusurper6505
Жыл бұрын
I know about backrooms, I didn't know they didn't exist anymore!
@austinschmidt8228
Жыл бұрын
Either these reasons are not the only reasons these stages are banned, OR we currently have no reason to have any banned stages in ultimate, bc almost every reason given does not apply to ultimate. Are walk offs really ONLY banned bc fox can wave shine? Well he can’t in ultimate. Are walls really ONLY banned bc shine infinites?? Again not in ultimate. So either there’s other reasons the guy didn’t say, or ultimate stages are banned for tradition.
@crispiecord
Жыл бұрын
17:48 Literally how I play most of the time in ANY competitive game. Bull Fight approach.
@alexconstas9634
Жыл бұрын
I miss Anther’s ladder and netplay bedore Slippi. Played way more teams and sometimes with items on every stage. Was way more fun than going full sweat 1v1.
@Staticsheep28
Жыл бұрын
#Unbanpokefloats
@LaBarata12
Жыл бұрын
>Melee lost its charm Well yeah, it turned 18 and the community lost interest
@1syrupyboi433
Жыл бұрын
Why did he say that randall wasnt named randall?
@darienwest4748
Жыл бұрын
because he's a hater
@pearlplayaa
Жыл бұрын
Melee fans really do be like "Melee is the best smash game" then proceed to ban most of the game
@moonkoto
Жыл бұрын
So did Ult fans
@pearlplayaa
Жыл бұрын
@@moonkoto I don't care for either competitive scene. I think both are boring and terrible in their own special ways, and that both have this problem But competitive Melee fans are much worse in this regard, given the toxicity and insistence that melee is the perfect game
@samwisedidier7312
Жыл бұрын
This guy is stuck in 2008 lol
@PeruvianPotato
Жыл бұрын
@@samwisedidier7312 I still see people calling it the best Smash game lmao
@veffiesdda965
Жыл бұрын
@@PeruvianPotatoBecause it is? Why do you think the game is still alive while all the other past versions of smash are all dead?
@moony_97
Жыл бұрын
Loved the Pokemon Colosseum music during the Pokemon Stadium discussion!! LMAO.
@goobinator_
Жыл бұрын
Kongo Jungle would be dope if you kept the barrel, remove the water and change the bottom platform.
@atwistedb
Жыл бұрын
Brawl players STAY winning.
@atwistedb
Жыл бұрын
Also coneys editor is going off in this video
@The_SOB_II
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping this was about Tony's quest to become the next big donkey Kong in melee
@SpaceRider15
Жыл бұрын
3:36 really said “venom” in _that_ voice
@JigChu7
Жыл бұрын
I still play Temple with my other competitive friends, we only play in the middle and bottom area
@coreydechane8606
Жыл бұрын
I think what’s great about melee is that the barrier of entry keeps people like coney out hahaha…. But fr
@definitelydoctorproctor
Ай бұрын
Why isn’t wuhu legal still 🙄
@d4nkey
Жыл бұрын
I like how the reason half of the stages got banned was foxes got too technical. When an alternative was to keep more stages and just ban fox
@ThatOneWeirdFlex
Жыл бұрын
Falco still existed.
@goatfood1504
Жыл бұрын
Just ban every other character except fox so that they’re all even
@epicmarschmallow5049
Жыл бұрын
That wouldn't actually solve the problem because then everyone would shift to using the next best character at exploiting the stage
@HeDronHeDronHedron
11 ай бұрын
noone gives a fuck if you're the best at playing on yoshis island, everyone cares if you're the best fox.
@Kawaiilolrofl
Ай бұрын
Calling a klap trap an alligator 😢
@Evan-mt7bc
Жыл бұрын
Remember when Alpharad made all those silly custom portal stages and brought it to a Summit and all the pro players just kept picking the pokemon stadium stage and ruined the event? I think Smash players just hate anything that doesn't conform to their no items, fox only, final destination mindset
@wonderlandzer0
Жыл бұрын
They don't believe in fun, I'm convinced
@goatfood1504
Жыл бұрын
They want to play competitively. You can do your own thing, but let them do theirs. It’s like getting mad chess events don’t have an option to play roulette.
@Evan-mt7bc
Жыл бұрын
@@goatfood1504 The difference is that event was created to be stupid and janky with content at the forefront. It wasn't a legitimate competition it was a "let's make these pro players look stupid and try to get a cool portal clip" but they spent the entire bracket just avoiding the portals and made what should have been a fun event one of the most miserable segments of that Summit.
@goatfood1504
Жыл бұрын
@@Evan-mt7bc sounds like they should’ve design a better event. Why give them the option to pick pokemon stadium if they’re not supposed to
@goatfood1504
Жыл бұрын
@@Evan-mt7bc If there’s money on the line people are going to do what it takes to win
@Lampaluile
Жыл бұрын
14:50 what’s the song? Isn’t it from mario sunshine?
@ShratTheMighty
Жыл бұрын
tingle's just living his best midlife crisis, man. leave his ass be
@gramernazy7436
Жыл бұрын
2:08 my boi repping Abe's Odyssey? Based.
@luxuryhotline9557
Жыл бұрын
idk but I feel like every time I see some le epic ultimate clip online it's on PS2 or Smashville. A little variety would be nice tbh.
@CarbonMalite
Жыл бұрын
They're freezing Pokemon Stadium i don't see why certain other stages can't work when frozen
@Mus1cManGaming
Жыл бұрын
Sup Fellas! It’s a good day when there’s a coney upload 🔥
@holyfrackledang
Жыл бұрын
Melee would be peak if the top players all mained g&w kirby
@ALloydRH
Жыл бұрын
4:19 He did NOT enjoy buying this dude's maps in Majora's Mask, or Wind Waker.
@shinigamimiroku3723
Жыл бұрын
Let's be real - did ANYONE enjoy that?
@jocyanide
Жыл бұрын
"the barrel is really difficult to aim accurately" SINCE WHEN? THE DUDE NEVER PLAYED A DKC GAME?
@Alph4Falc0
Жыл бұрын
Don’t listen to him guys he’s a commentator
@__BlacklotuS__
Жыл бұрын
well it is an old game lol
@esrohm6460
Жыл бұрын
you know what the worst thing should be when that billionaire who just really likes smashes cones and says play for big money but my rules: he doesn't just do random rules but actually put thought into his rules and people realize that the game is more fun in a tournament setting if it isn't put under the hyper competitive rules
@witch_hat49
Жыл бұрын
How is it on Luminosity Mr Coney Zeeks?
@GrumpySylveon
Жыл бұрын
10:10 I thought he was a dragonfly!
@mrgreenboy644
Жыл бұрын
Hey does anyone know where the stage tier list is?
@Kawaiiarhea
Жыл бұрын
Wait, there was a stage tier list?
@Rose0309
Жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one who thought the castle was a melee reference 😅
@_Jay_Maker_
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the "Back Rooms" mindset, as far as the FGC is concerned (speaking as someone who's been playing since the 90's,) it's pretty self-regulating. All of our attitude developed from interactions in real, physical arcades, so people talking shit or talking themselves up about things aren't particularly tolerated unless they're legit. Even then, the ones who stand out the most tend to get smoked unless they're actually, genuinely respectable individuals and representative of the FGC. For the most part the "Old boy's club" exists less as a point of hierarchy, and actually one of respect, but only based on the individual rather than the group. When you earn it, you tend to keep it unless you legitimately kill your impression one way or another.
@wubbsdingus4320
Жыл бұрын
Full disclosure, haven't watched the video, but melee hasn't lost its charm, the community/players have, at least in my scene. It's not about having fun anymore, it's about winning/tryharding. This all started to become prominent when UCF was released and frozen stadium became the norm. There were two groups, the keep stadium as is, and freeze it. Without opening the can of worms, it basically boiled down to a group of people who enjoy the game as is and a group of people who want to make it ultra competitive and chess like, which is lame as FUCK. That's my spiel, Bye byeeee
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