Classic and essential trick to make the bass happy. One thing I would add is to add all bass tracks to a buss and compress them together so as to glue them and make them move as a singular unit.
@MetalArcade
9 ай бұрын
yeah, I use DoubleTap on the bus for that and then a bit of limiting
@ultimatefunktimegroovystan7885
Жыл бұрын
"Just play with the knobs until it sounds good" that's my whole workflow
@Fracture.
6 ай бұрын
Also works with the wife
@bolillo5013
9 ай бұрын
This is the most clear informative tutorial I’ve seen in the subject, thank you for the info.
@sski
Жыл бұрын
I've been doing this for a long time, but I take things a step further depending on the project. Currently, for example, I'm working on a metal project where the 'sonic picture' of the band places the drum kit center, with overhead bleed out to 43-45% L/R. At the fringe of that 43/45% L/R sits virtual SVT stacks. Those 'stacks' were originally an Ampeg BA-115HPT combo amp close miked with an MXL tube mic and a Shure Beta 52A bass drum mic, and a clean line-in from the bass output. The bassist was already using the Dug Pinnick Tech 21 DP-1 pedal to drive the amp, so the clean line-in became important for countering the overdrive in the lower tones. Then it was just a matter of duplicating the three recorded sources and offsetting them just a millisecond in the grid so that when both sources are panned opposite each other they clear the drum kit, sitting on either side of it with a little bleed into it, as if you are looking at and hearing them on stage on either side of the kit. Sure, most folks tend to throw the bass down the middle with the drums and be done with it. But you should hear this. It's awesome and it works.
@endlichjura
Жыл бұрын
Where CAN we hear it, buddy?
@sski
Жыл бұрын
@@endlichjura I would love to show an example of the 'SVT split' I wrote about above, but the project it's involved in is 2 months out from release (Band name: Remnant). But I used a formula very similar to what is described in this video on many projects including this latest Ov Moros album from which this song is included: kzitem.info/news/bejne/2K2mvYiuapqKq2U
@sidvicious332
23 күн бұрын
Offsetting is awesome
@sski
23 күн бұрын
@@sidvicious332 Your nickname is awesome
@rmp5s
Жыл бұрын
FabFilter Saturn can do all this in one track with one plugin. You lose some flexibility, of course, but it's SUPER easy and sounds killer.
@ItsBigJC
Жыл бұрын
Really ? Might have to check it out. Do you use clean bass tone as a starting point. I’m a guitar player but make some of my own stuff and I’m now good enough at getting good enough tones that sit right with drums but I’m looking now to try get bass sounding good in there. I play through helix and iv been struggling when using heavy and OD patches
@rmp5s
Жыл бұрын
@@ItsBigJC Yup. DI bass, VST on the track. Super simple.
@PaulEubanks
Жыл бұрын
Was gonna say, just use Saturn. Saves you a ton of time, and you won't screw yourself with L/HPF crossover points causing phase shifts either.
@rmp5s
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulEubanks Yup. Fantastic plugin!
@Metalbass10000
8 ай бұрын
One if the many reasons I loved my Ampeg SVT 4 Pro was the on board crossover allowing me to send high and low signals separately into the board and into my cabs. That way they could be processed how i wanted in the live mix, and the high went to my on stage ported 4 x 10" Celestion and horn cab loaded cab while the low went to a sealed 1 x 18" ElectroVoice loaded cab. I always do this when recording. Good vid.
@NikolajChristensen
Жыл бұрын
Nice way of notching out the mids too.
@monkeyking617
7 ай бұрын
This sounds just like bi-amping, where you send your bass signal to two separate rigs, one to handle the low end, and the other to handle the overdriven signal without ruining the tight low end. Billy Sheehan, Chris Squire, Doug Pinnick, I think even Les Claypool used this technique, just to name a few. Nowadays I think the same thing is accomplished with more sophisticated gear that includes a knob to adjust the "wet/dry" ratio, but I prefer the trick you are talking about, to split them up and adjust individually. Thanks for the info!
@Temperjames
4 ай бұрын
Well its funny this is EXACTLY what Joel's Bass Buss Glue plugin does, which he doesn't even try and upsell or promote here... which is a shame because when I first tried that plugin several years ago I haven't done a mix without it since! Are you aware of it?? It's genuinely a brilliant bass plugin that can be almost all you need to mix a final bass tone
@aaron.durci.4444
Жыл бұрын
2:30 "see we got some meat back as i slid"☠️☠️
@jackclay9145
Жыл бұрын
this trick has become so popular that now bass plugins are incorporating this method of mixing straight out of the box. you could use a multi band distortion like Saturn by Fabfilter which is an expensive option but is used on more than just bass. most recently Parallax by Neural DSP have been the most popular option but to me it still sounds boxy at times so i prefer Mammoth by Aurora DSP for the clanky modern tones but they all have these options built in and will give you the best tones imaginable for any heavy mix. this is a tried and true method if you choose to split your bass and manually mix it, it’s always the better option if you wanna go the freeware route but these plugin options are just too good to pass up. EDIT : Aurora DSP has a Halloween sale and the Mammoth plugin ($80) is listed at around $27, i’d take advantage of that while you can 😉
@amfk8079
Жыл бұрын
been doing this for 10 years + not a new idea lol
@jackclay9145
Жыл бұрын
@@amfk8079 i never said it was a new idea, i’ve been learning how to record and produce since i was 12 and this technique has been around much longer than both of our times mixing combined lol just saying that in this digital era there are now multiple plugins dedicated to this technique rather than cloning bass amps and pedals and having to split channels and do the filtering yourself, the idea of dual processing or just simply multi band distortion straight out of the box instead of having multiple bass channels with long plugin chains
@coveryourears3851
Жыл бұрын
@@jackclay9145 been doing something similar to this split approach in one signal using Darkglass Infinity into Darkglass A/O Photon. Sounds pretty damn good to me.
@martinschubert7031
Жыл бұрын
Even pedals do this since some time
@h.p.dominocus
8 ай бұрын
Excellent. Haven't tried this before but it makes sense. Will be giving it a test run on a mix I'm currently doing.
@WiiNC
Жыл бұрын
Love this trick, originally heard Acle Kahney from TesseracT using a similar approach on their mixes and had to give it a shot myself. Having that control over the bass is so nice!
@Temperjames
4 ай бұрын
"We got some meat back as I slid" I felt that one yeah
@KenMasters-fi1sx
Жыл бұрын
Great tricks. It would be amazing to have videos of sascha paeth in Nail the Mix. Sacha is the mix enginner from Avantasia. Great metal band.
@RolandDeschain1
4 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks.
@guinganfg
Жыл бұрын
Nice tips as usual from you guys.. I have a question: If I use parallax in one bass channel, do I get the same results? As i’m treating bottom, mid and treble frequencies separately? Thanks!!
@JijiSoundProject
Жыл бұрын
in my experience it's marvelous! i usually make 4 duplicate but not like joel do but the practical are same (i use parallax for top and bottom)
@escalator9734
Жыл бұрын
yes same idea, packed in 1 plugin. sometimes it's enough, sometimes you need more control and do the splitting & processing. Also linear phase filters lets you place the crossover wherever you want
@StratsRUs
7 ай бұрын
Fantastic.Thank you
@BeHeardStudio
Жыл бұрын
It feels like seeing the internal of JW BG Bass!!! Rock on Joel!
@Temperjames
4 ай бұрын
EXACTLY! Is noone aware of that plug?!?!?! It's killer. I've used it on every mix since it came out... it takes all of this scrappy multiplugin nonsense away
@Temperjames
4 ай бұрын
I urge EVERYONE to check out Joel's Bass Buss plugin, because this is exactly what it's doing in one simple plugin
@guimeloy8160
Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@alrecks619
Жыл бұрын
the more i'm doing bass split thing, what i'm getting at is to use less top end distortion on more dynamic bass parts, whereas use more on more static parts.
@OverdriveMusic
Жыл бұрын
awesome video!!!
@maxalaintwo3578
Жыл бұрын
Gettin that GANK
@KeebCR
Жыл бұрын
I too put Compression,EQ,Distortion and Excedrin because it gives me a migraine
@GintaGilbertoHimSelf
Жыл бұрын
Great tips Joel!🙏🏻🔥🔥🔥
@flacrisan
Жыл бұрын
Hey man! Do you feel the need to flip the phase of one of the tracks?
@alrecks619
Жыл бұрын
try it, if it sounds good, keep it. if it sounds bad, turn it off.
@chiefrebelangel817
Жыл бұрын
what song is this ?
@swineivoryproductions
Жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/yZlqmm2Dj3yWo2U
@randomselect645
Жыл бұрын
It's from the band ERRA , i forgot the name of the track tho
@BukanIbuMu
Жыл бұрын
Saosin - Silver String
@vincentemerald2574
Жыл бұрын
Paralax one stop shop lol But ya a little boxy
@zeenuf00
Жыл бұрын
Imagine the days when engineers got a great bass sound without splitting bass tracks into five or six different tracks and using 50 plugins . . . just to get the same exact bass sound everyone else is getting. 😆 🤣 😂
@MetalHead2008
4 ай бұрын
I don't like too much this kind of bass tone, it's too much acid, i prefer a warmer and richer bass sound in metal. More mids, less distortion on the High end and powerful bass frequencies. Because the bass is for providing solidity and low end. So i agree with you
@gx1tar1er
3 ай бұрын
Remember when they had to record though a master tape with a limited channel.
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