I enjoy seeing the cat walk by. Worked in a machine shop and had a shop cat myself. I really enjoy the videos!
@diamondpressco2673
3 жыл бұрын
“There’s never enough time to do the job right , but plenty of time to do it over “ .....always had this sign hanging in my shop
@CraigLYoung
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! I liked Maryann's cameo.
@maggs131
3 жыл бұрын
I remember working for a company that made metal roofing, common trim and custom trim pieces and the 25' hydraulic press brake we used for the trim spanned 3 different sections of the concrete floor. The boss couldn't get it through his thick skull that the machine was not level and was twisted and as a result we couldn't use the full length. There were dead spots on either end about 2' long where the press break couldn't close tight enough. Leveling is very important
@erich9244
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bring us along in the journey Kieth! Keep on keeping on!
@shannonstratton3164
3 жыл бұрын
Nice looking tortoiseshell cat at the end walking around!
@ShevillMathers
3 жыл бұрын
That’s the shop boss.😼
@ksingleton101
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely everything moves. I've seen a 12'x1'x30' wall bow 4 inches from 7:00 AM to 12:00PM it was a parapet wall in direct sunlight on top of a 25 story building and it reached 85 degrees Fahrenheit that day. It was also about 250 Feet from the Atlantic Ocean. I mentioned the Ocean because the ground acts like a sponge when the tide changes. The wall also moves with hot and cold temperatures, expanding and contracting!
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see how much it changes by this time next year.
@thomaschandler8036
3 жыл бұрын
For a one man shop, you do a fantastic job, enjoy your videos
@andrewshelley410
3 жыл бұрын
I was screaming at you to rotate that upper level 180degrees and prove which one was out of calibration, the readings were miles apart!
@Henning_S.
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too.
@bcbloc02
3 жыл бұрын
Should have rotated the fell 90 and 180 to see how it went.
@petercheeks404
3 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing that's the one he did a repair on a while back.
@rustyshackleford928
3 жыл бұрын
OMG Keith, loosen those purse strings a tiny bit and get you a student to crank on those bolts. It is ok, you earned it. Great video and love the cats.
@elsdp-4560
3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU...for sharing. Yes.
@jdmccorful
3 жыл бұрын
Always lots of fun. I think you need a new tool, it's called a "heyboy". It would be a great addition when you have jobs like this.
@pville5548
3 жыл бұрын
I believe "HeyBoy" was the Chinese employee that worked for the Hotel in San Francisco on the "Have Gun Will Travel" series.
@barryfields2964
3 жыл бұрын
You said that it’s nice to have someone watching the levels for you. I say the hell with that, I’ll watch the levels. I want someone to turn the screws for me.
@siggyincr7447
3 жыл бұрын
Leveling a 6-legged machine by leveling the sliding bed seems like it could give you a false sense of level and flat in the base. There could be a significant amount of twist or bow in the base and you would never know.
@JamesP_TheShedShop
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Keith, very informative.
@assessor1276
3 жыл бұрын
I so enjoy Keith’s videos.
@seksak5176
3 жыл бұрын
A great job as usual. Seeing the opening seconds of the vid and the levels I had a flashback and a laugh. As a 16 yo I had a job at a gas station along with some other kids. One afternoon the senior guy about 20ish decided to tease the new guy. A nice kid but not too sharp. Across the street there was a shopping mall with a drug store. The senior guy told the new guy to run over there and get a package of level bubbles. He came back 20 minutes later all mad as the pharmacist likely told him there was no such thing. A couple months later he was sent over there for a 2 pound bag of emery sparks. This time he was quite pissed upon his return and of course we all laughed at the new guy. The station owner just bit his lip.
@infoanorexic
3 жыл бұрын
I've experimented with the inclinometer app on my phone, and had good results with setting angles up on the shaper (cutting dovetails). It was a crap shoot at that time, that turned out better than expected. When I lay the phone down, it changes over to a "Fell" level. I'll probably explore the accuracy of that when the weather warms up again. I suspect it would be more accurate than a carpenter's level. I see Josie decided to make an appearance. She must have completed the mandatory 9,000 hisses for each of the new kittens and is now either ignoring them entirely or showing them how to be a shop cat.
@stumccabe
3 жыл бұрын
I love this restoration. Thanks Keith.
@donaldshulman6771
3 жыл бұрын
knee pads and a soft floor mat should help the knees. Better yet, a shop assistant.
@jonathanrichards593
3 жыл бұрын
The machine has six legs - I'm interested to know how one assures that the load is balanced across all six - at an extreme, if the middle ones were off the floor, then the ways would sag in the middle, no?
@Da5idc
3 жыл бұрын
Good question
@ypopnun1003
3 жыл бұрын
you are correct so what you do is get the 4 corners level then go to the center legs crank one up till it starts to move the bubble then back it off repeat on the other side
@siggyincr7447
3 жыл бұрын
This was exactly what I was thinking. To be honest, I think it would be fine to do it how Ypop Nun suggests. But since Keith has the auto-collimeter my instinct would be to use it to get any sag or twist in the bed eliminated.
@Da5idc
3 жыл бұрын
@@JackHudler but surely, if you want to get it all level, you must also even ou all six supports
@aserta
3 жыл бұрын
Easy. You ignore the center, and work it at the end BUT you use a means to check for bow in the machine. In this case, it's a very sturdy unit, so you don't really care, thus you work it with Ypop Nun's explanation, but with high precision stuff, you have that extra angle to deal with. For example laser table experiments, you 100% have to use the third check (the bow element) to make a proper installation.
@JaapGrootveld
3 жыл бұрын
Can,t wait to see it run.
@deanehill9730
3 жыл бұрын
Your helper came in just when the job was done. Incredible bubble level in all directions. Thanks.
@CraftedChannel
3 жыл бұрын
How do you know you do not have the machine arched and only level where the level is? It would seem you would need to move from end to end also. Enjoyed watching the bubble as you moving the adjustments.
@ScottPankhurst
3 жыл бұрын
that's where you depend on the rigidity of the frame. plus you adjust at the corners primarily, and then apply a practiced "feel" to the middle adjusters to make sure they are not floating.
@CraftedChannel
3 жыл бұрын
@@ScottPankhurst You cannot depend on a capacity which metal does not have. All metal is flexible. I can turn the feet of my lathe and while it remains level along the ways, it twists along the length of the ways. I have a standard machinist level, nothing as sensitive as Keith yet I can see quite a bit of twist. Had a machining issue a few years ago that was solved by improving this error in my original installation. Longer the machine the worse it is. There is no way to measure twist (level or parallel in the other axis) without moving a level from end to end. I am sure what he has done is fine. Can't wait to see work come off it. Really, twist is more important that level. And if you really want a mind blow, level is a curve, not a straight line. ;-)
@skipd9164
3 жыл бұрын
Here is a leveling issue that happened while working in the GE gear plant in lynn Massachusetts. Factories were along Saugus River and Lynn harbor. All large machines were in 2 parts. Horizontal boring mills and even vertical mills used the floors as tables. The floors were steel slotted plates will Tslots every 12in in both directions. The machining component ran along a separate steel frame. This was installed before ww2 and had problems at times with high tides. No shit. I worked on a newly installed 7 axis cnc horz boring. The foundation of the machine was 3 stories deep and sat on 6 legs going down to rock . Basically a 6 legged table and no more problems
@combatmedic1980
3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it make more sense to wait till you have the motor and all things attached before you level the machine, since you say that the extra weight changes the level when standing next to a surface plate?
@ScottPankhurst
3 жыл бұрын
not unless the weight of the motor and additional fittings are capable of compressing the frame vertically, in which case you have other problems!
@24681359David
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottPankhurst Not true. It wouldn't compress the machine, but rather cause the concrete under the machine to move. The motor, if it's old, will probably weigh at-least 200 pounds, and the countershaft mounts and pulleys probably at-least that. But, you both must have missed the part where he said he was going to check it again before he starts using the machine...
@joeromanak8797
3 жыл бұрын
I’m way too much of a bull in a china shop to set myself up for this frustration but you nailed it! I knew when you said you weren’t going for dead nuts that once you got close it would be dead nuts or bust. I noticed that the bubble on your all in one moves pretty slowly so one shouldn’t get in a big hurry to read and react. Great work, as always. I’m getting anxious to see those man-sized chips rolling up in front of the cutter. 😎👍👀
@honeycuttracing
3 жыл бұрын
Your more patient than most 🤣 really nice machine can't wait to see in action
@Rovinman
3 жыл бұрын
Lovely Video, great tips, and an absolutely fantastic level. I was shouting at the screen, .... Stop, ...Stop ! Move a hair this way, move a hair that way ! That's one of the reasons for individual foundation pads/blocks. IF, you know where the Equipment is going to end up ! Thanks Keith ! Stu xxx ...... x
@alanmcclusky
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Keith make sure you have adequate pressure on the two centre feet so it doesn't Belly down a little in the middle regards Alan.
@rodsolomon4503
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed you do a lot of work while on the floor. Leveling the planer is just one thing you've done. I am an old, retired guy so my automotive creeper comes in handy for just such a job as this one. I sit on it rather than lay down and it works fine. A cushion also would help. Just a thought...
@Barnekkid
3 жыл бұрын
When the cat walked by, the Fell level went off.
@michaelrandle4128
3 жыл бұрын
Yay, chips on the shaper, can't wait to see that beautiful old machine do its thing, thanks Keith, look forward to the vids, regards from across the pond.
@imchris5000
3 жыл бұрын
its kind of crazy how easy it is to twist up machinery just moving it
@Tjousk
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@wconstructionco
3 жыл бұрын
The bigger it is, the worse it is. Leveling 50k pound equipment 25 feet long can take an entire day.
@bcbloc02
3 жыл бұрын
@@wconstructionco Heck I spent an entire week doing my boring mill 48 jack points takes a lot of time.
@wconstructionco
3 жыл бұрын
@@bcbloc02 yeah, its amazing how much time you can eat up, just setting up a machine before you can even do anything. I am always amazed at the year or two of preparation it takes for some of these big stamping lines.
@ralphnorman4636
3 жыл бұрын
Extremely impressed. Never needed that level of precision myself but admire your skill.
@mkegadgets4380
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing job, it’s nice to have precision tools, for a precision job. Thanks for sharing once again.
@WS-ij1fu
3 жыл бұрын
Keith next time you are in town go to a builders supply company and get yourself a pair (or 2) of "roofer's kneepads" you will wish you had bought them years ago, if your wife gardens get her a pair as well, they are not expensive
@Da5idc
3 жыл бұрын
What about lowering the other side before using shims?
@TgWags69
3 жыл бұрын
Thinking the same. Step #1 make sure they all start at zero, then start adjusting up.
@erneststorch9844
3 жыл бұрын
Waner and Swasey used converted Gray planers to grind their bed ways . They could hold straightness and parallelism to all surfaces to .0002 end to end. I was always amazed that they could get it that close on a coverted planer. The grinders told me that the foot end of the bed could be chopped off too low if they got the bed too warm. Sometimes they had to let bed set for a while to let it cool down. They had a machine to check the beds that pulled a little sled with mirrors and a light beam would mesure the variation as chain pulled the sled across the way. The results were recorded on graf paper. That was in the early 70s.
@josotw2534
3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to the episode where Keith fabricates a drip pan to catch the lube failing off the open gears under the bed.
@mikedelich2679
3 жыл бұрын
Nice work good sir
@RobertKohut
3 жыл бұрын
Nice!! Looks like kitten is now a cat....:-)
@expatconn7242
3 жыл бұрын
That was awesome !!!
@bulletproofpepper2
3 жыл бұрын
We use an iPhone and an apple watch at work to eyeball things or when you can’t fit your head in a tight space. Thanks for sharing.
@BigTruck27
3 жыл бұрын
They make little mats to throw down for kneeling on, but if you just have some scraps of rigid foam insulation/blueboard, it makes a big difference.
@jimfelton1
3 жыл бұрын
Keith, I noticed there are 6 legs in the shaper. That makes me think the manufacture was worried about a sag in the middle of the bed. If this is the case could you be creating a surface that is not truly flat? I think too much pressure In the middle could cause a hump, too little a sag, or even twist over time. If true how would you correct the problem?
@TheKnacklersWorkshop
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Keith, I really enjoyed that one... Thanks. Take care. Paul,,
@rockway63
3 жыл бұрын
I can tell you love The Lord. You're a good man Keithy =)
@Rich-on6fe
3 жыл бұрын
Probably should treat it as two linked tables. Make measurements at the 'top' end, make measurements at the 'bottom' end and adjust to make sure the middle legs are taking their fair share of the machine's weight and making it flat rather than with a hump or a low in the middle.
@shanek6582
3 жыл бұрын
Good place for an apprentice, cranking on those feet while you say which ones and how much lol
@damianzanolli1845
3 жыл бұрын
Is that why some machines are isolated on their own concrete pads in some of the larger machine shops? First time question for me . . . not a machinist but love watching the channel.
@kurtdietrich3533
3 жыл бұрын
Isolated machine bases help with vibration. The inertial mass dampens the movement of the machine from the vibrations of the machine when it is running.
@alwaysbearded1
3 жыл бұрын
How many cats does it take to throw the machine out of level?
@coalcutter
3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this episode
@MrVdmg
3 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done Keith ! Living in earthquakes area, I am sure you would have to do this every week to conserve this precision !
@bobrobert6277
3 жыл бұрын
always love those vids
@GameBacardi
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, again... :D
@natesteiner5460
3 жыл бұрын
The large flat surfaces of the machine feet make me wonder if the ultimate solution would be to level the machine on anchor bolts in the slab and then pack under them with non-shrink grout. This would create the most stable bearing surface, although any future machine relocations would be a bit more of a hassle. You've most likely set it up as accurately as it was when new, and even scraped bearings will find their happy place after wearing in. Put a motor on it and make chips!
@b2gills
3 жыл бұрын
You really need to check the level in a few spots to make sure you aren't warping it. Ideally you should check the level between each adjacent foot. Since this has 6 feet, you should do 10 different checks. 6 around the perimeter, and 4 diagonally. I've installed quite a few cabinets that got stone countertops. Because stone is so brittle, you usually have to shim them up to prevent them from breaking. When I'm done installing the cabinets there is no point to use shims under the countertop.
@catfishgray3696
3 жыл бұрын
GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, LET'S GO TO WORK...
@TheHillbillyEngineer
3 жыл бұрын
Well now your coffee cup won't slide off. :)
@tinker5349
3 жыл бұрын
Hi and a new year to you. Very interesting bubbles thank you for the explanation lesson on how they are used.
@michaelschnock3998
3 жыл бұрын
nice content as every time, :) . Thanks for sharing, but please allow one question : if the bubble is on the "right"side does not mean, that you have to lift the left side !, it might be necessary to lower the right side ;) , I hope I am correct. Stay healthy and may god bless you all
@ypopnun1003
3 жыл бұрын
18:54 Maryann Shop Cat shows up
@PNEKarl
3 жыл бұрын
19:54
@ypopnun1003
3 жыл бұрын
@@PNEKarl Eyes not open when first watched
@stephengile530
3 жыл бұрын
Keith, correct me if I heard you wrong, when you said that for every line the bubble on the 199 moves, the bubble on the 98 would move ten lines, wouldn't it be for every line the bubble moves on the 98 the bubble on the 199 would move ten lines.
@wallaceknifeworkshomestead
3 жыл бұрын
I kept saying stop, But you didnt hear me! Good video!
@WoLpH
3 жыл бұрын
You can get a wireless camera that you can view from your phone for about $10 these days so I would strongly recommend on getting something like that Keith :)
@rushd45
3 жыл бұрын
Keith - I have a simple request, the next time you use your levels would you take your phone and with a level app compare them? Thanks, and keep the videos comming, they are very informative to watch.
@kejay74
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Keith, There is a LOT to be said for a 24" square of 2" thick styrofoam for keeping the 'Prayer Bones' comfortable! LOL! Ken
@thepotterer3726
3 жыл бұрын
First off, I've never levelled a piece of machinery, but I have levelled hundreds, possibly thousands of structures or bases, some are square but the majority have one longer dimension, that is the one we always start with, before moving onto the shorter dimension - can't see why the same principle doesn't apply here.
@brucefelger4015
3 жыл бұрын
2 points make a line, three points makes a conundrum
@f4ujmb
3 жыл бұрын
Can wait to see it make chips!
@homeryoung7436
3 жыл бұрын
Progress, thank you.
@machinistwanttobebrianfrom6887
3 жыл бұрын
Brian from Ma.Learn something every day thought a hare was a thow lol .i defenenitly need to level up haaaaa.Great video THANKS Besafe
@CarlinComm
3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool. This would be the difference between a machinist and a hack (I'm more of a hack!) Well Done!
@TheTomBevis
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen concrete pads for precision equipment 20+ feet thick, to minimize the movement.
@piperjohn_3
3 жыл бұрын
Did they run water pipes through for coolant to speed the curing? I read the Hoover Dam concrete is taking 125 years to cure.
@MF175mp
3 жыл бұрын
and they are probably pulled down to it by some good bolts as well.
@paulg3336
3 жыл бұрын
Good point. The floor slab also flexes. If you have ever seen pretensioned concrete slabs and bridge beams being transported on a truck on the highway, note the very pronounced bend in the structure. When the beam or slab is installed and loaded ,the structure flexes until it is flat.
@july8xx
3 жыл бұрын
@@paulg3336 If the arch in the beam flatens out you are in serious trouble, the strength of concrete is in compression
@paulg3336
3 жыл бұрын
@@july8xx these are not "arches" they are in flexure when unloaded due to the pretensioning cables pulling the beam into a curve .When loaded they become flat. If they didn't , the road surface or floor laid on them would rise and fall. Look at the diagram in the link below drawings 5 and 6 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestressed_concrete#/media/File:PrestressedConcrete-en1.png
@kristofferwestlund
3 жыл бұрын
Take note of where the fell level is on the table, take a pic and return in the heat of the summer. Would be interesting to see if temperature have any impact and if so, how big.
@oldschool1993
3 жыл бұрын
Been said before, but when that machine starts working, it's gonna skate around on that floor.
@Sizukun1
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you need some good knee pads, or at least one of those gardener's pads.
@Baron3D
3 жыл бұрын
Do this live and we could help you with the watching
@jessefoulk
3 жыл бұрын
Id just mount a spoilboard made out of aluminum on it and run a full sweep across. Easy peezy. It'll be parallel with the gantry.
@MrValhem265
3 жыл бұрын
I think Ginger gave it the Paws up Keith lol :) Meow
@slipery1237
3 жыл бұрын
So now we know what happened to your hair ;-)
@nicholaswrightson7966
3 жыл бұрын
Will not the weight of the motor when mounted affect the level ?
@paulg3336
3 жыл бұрын
probably
@DelTapparo
3 жыл бұрын
"Resolution" is the amount of change you get when you turn the adjusting screw. 1 turn = x thousandths. That doesn't change just because you added a shim. You have "Offset" the range of adjustment. The range being how far you can move from the adjusting screw all the way CCW to CW.
@iamthetarget52
3 жыл бұрын
19:32 Giggle Giggle ... Abom ... Giggle Giggle There is a reason guys like Abom and I are never in the same room. We affect the rotation of the Earth.
@iamthetarget52
3 жыл бұрын
@@flat-earther HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! Thanks , I needed that.
@mikekellam365
3 жыл бұрын
I'm all about "precision" and "accuracy". I have a question, and this involve the mechanics and operating characteristics when the machine is actually "working". With everything going on during machine operation, what HAPPENS with the accuracy of the bed and the head? I get that you have to start SOMEWHERE. Is it all worth it?
@dans_Learning_Curve
3 жыл бұрын
Like #234 Thanks for the video!
@WilliamTMusil
3 жыл бұрын
hiya Keith
@googacct
3 жыл бұрын
Since you have the camera tree, that was mentioned in a video at one point, I would think you would have a monitor attached where you could see what was going on with the levels.
@cemx86
3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested if just pushing on one end of the planner would have moved the bubble in the Fell level (MAKE IN ROCKFORD ILLINOIS!)
@skunked42
3 жыл бұрын
BTW, need an update on the shop cats please.
@marvintpandroid2213
3 жыл бұрын
Metal, at high resolutions, is more like toffee than people think.
@billhartl6601
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not a machinist at all! My machining is limited to a bench grinder and variable speed Delta drill press. But love learning about machining. Question, instead of using open end wrench to adjust the levelers, wouldn't it fave been faster to use a ratchet and count quarter turns?
@rerun578
3 жыл бұрын
Love me a ratcheting box end. Harbor Freight!
@railroad9000
3 жыл бұрын
Will adding the motor change the level of the machine?
@planetwisconsin9901
3 жыл бұрын
The one down vote was a mouse. 🐭
@scottdowdy9994
3 жыл бұрын
Have no idea if this information is useful, but union pacific recently pulled the steam stoker motor off its 4014 engine to convert to oil fired.
@erneststorch9844
3 жыл бұрын
This would take more time but wouldn't it be better to move your table to the extreme end of the ways and then check for level when the table is between the support legs first. Then move the table all the way to the other end of the way and check there and adjusting end leg only till the table is level to the center leg you just adjusted. There is a reason for the center legs because the bed way can sag in the middle .
@hoopwes77
3 жыл бұрын
with all your camera stuff you should set up a live feed to watch the levels while your adjusting
@cannon440
3 жыл бұрын
Are those levelers keyed to the planer feet? Looks like the machine will slide off of the levelers.
@anthonygarrett116
3 жыл бұрын
I was curious what will keep the machine from sliding forward and back as well.
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