What are the "events" that we're supposed to cluster up against some line? What's the line? What does an analysis of hit records by Karen Carpenter and Doris Day show you? Do they have clusters of dots up in some space on some graph?
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
Don't have any Doris Day records, but you know Benny Goodman and Count Basie records cluster the dots up in the same way the rock records do.
@g.e.miller4335
3 ай бұрын
@@airwindows You know, I've watched this video 50 times. I've stopped it and read all the words. I've made screen captures. I've tried to figure it out. The two things that are confusing to me is, #1) there are hit records that are soft sounding, like Karen Carpenter, like the song You Light Up by Life by Debbie Boone, like White Christmas by Bing Crosby. I know Benny Goodman and Count Basie and they are big band dance orchestras from the the WWII era. They're loud and heavy on drums and horns. The Fist Time Ever I Saw Your Face by Robert Flack, The Way We Were by Barbra Streisand, Little Things Mean A Lot by Kitty Kallen - were all #! hit songs of their respective years. Does The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face have a cloud of blue dots up high? I'm trying to figure out if you have a control group of hit songs that don't match the type of song that your testing. For quite a few years, the #1 selling LP was a soundtrack to a Broadway musical - the soundtracks to My Fair Lady, The Sound of Music, Camelot, West Side Story, Mary Poppins, were all #1 albums of their years - a lot of them starred Julie Andrews. Are you testing those type of recordings? If you're testing only loud rock and dance songs, then you'd expect a lot of blue dots, but are you testing an equal number of soft sounding hit songs? The second thing I couldn't figure out is this decibels thing. The music of now seems to ignore decibels and is measured in other units. I couldn't get Garage Band to tell me what decible level anything was at. Music now isn't sold on records or even CDs - it's streamed over the Internet, and the streaming services all have different rules about how loud your song can be, and none of it seems to be measured in decibels. If your song is too loud, Spotify and Amazon Music, and Apple Music - will cut the volume and your song is going to lose all those blue dots. So, really, my question is, to create a song using a DAW that is going to be streamed on an Internet distribution platform, how do we recreate your recipe for a hit song? How do we convert decibels into the other standards of measurement. How do we keep those clouds of sparkling peaks in a mix that's going to end up streamed?
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
And I have read all your words :) Clouds of peak energy dots will always matter, as does evenness, but it's REALLY IMPORTANT to know that more is not better, hit-wise. You can go too far, be too intense. I measured top ten hits right down in the D for Deep Vibe range, and for big sales you always want B or C, NOT A which is typically too intense for a mainstream audience. Does that help? Those ratings have to do with the DENSITY of all those peaks, which you always want to be evenly distributed and to have stuff happening at all times. The density of them is what you paint with: sparse to dense, always placed rightly.
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
I have a surprise for you… been record shopping… ;) kzitem.info/news/bejne/knl72ah_qGJmdIY
@g.e.miller4335
3 ай бұрын
@@airwindows THANK YOU! I've watched it 5 times already.
@moedemama
4 ай бұрын
Truly fascinating stuff you have uncovered, the connection with the sound of rain, and then the dynamics of the intensity of the rain, which really does invoke diferent feelings when you think about it.. Im guessing other natural sounds , either pleasent or unpleasent will follow these same patterns. I think a lot more connections will be made and a big window was just opened in understanding why music is the way it is and why we interpet it the way we do, or really why and how music emerged. You really should publish this in a scientific journal, not that that would mean anything, but this is something more than just a meter. Salute!
@LYSHEmusic
4 ай бұрын
"a big window was just opened in understanding why music is the way it is" ...on of those Air Windows... :)
@invisiblejay7573
4 ай бұрын
You did it Chris. Now you've really gone and done it. What if... what if because of this, somebody makes an album that I actually want to come into contact with my ears. That would be a surprise. I think I'm starting to get... stoked.
@bkxt
4 ай бұрын
Thank you sir for pointing this one out. I'm all for ending the loudness wars and go back to normal levels.
@gertmostert1323
4 ай бұрын
Chris, I first came across your plugins in the Surge synth. Then I downloaded all the Airwindows plugins and played around with each one extensively. Now I'm creating my own. You are an inspiration. Thank you for your work and effort. It means a great deal. Glad I found this channel.
@artisan002
4 ай бұрын
Man... This is damned fascinating. And, in highlighting the overlap of hit song characteristics with that of rain, I feel this also leads toward explaining why people prefer vinyl; the noise of a needle dragging through a groove naturally gets pretty close to organic noises we're deeply coded to recognize and compensate for.
@Illkacirma
4 ай бұрын
this is impressive Chris. thank's for sharing all this/your research, work and knowledge to the community!
@g.e.miller4335
3 ай бұрын
To my mind, your recording of the intense rain sounds like thousands of people applauding in a massive arena.
@1trevorthompson
Ай бұрын
This is undoubtedly the coolest and most fascinating thing I’ve ever seen on KZitem. Kudos to you for taking action and bringing this to life. Unbelievable.
@tonynekrews
4 ай бұрын
Wow, amazing stuff Chris. I never imagined metering could evolve in this way
@petergedd9330
4 ай бұрын
So good to see you are still at it Chris and progressing into the realms of GUI, with this analysis of the 'Hit Sounds' and a GUI to show you, that is some achievement. Thank You once again.
@danielspektor
4 ай бұрын
Chris, you are a gift! Thank you!
@tannera.3359
4 ай бұрын
Man, this is cool but you seriously need to write a manual for this.
@Barncore
3 ай бұрын
Yeah this needs a manual for sure
@citadelo5ricks
3 ай бұрын
been over this 5 times and still don't have a clear view of it.
@Charlyfromthenuclearcity
Ай бұрын
I'm taking notes and am seriously thinking about writing one for myself, so I could share it here !
@JamesReillyMusicProduction
29 күн бұрын
@@Charlyfromthenuclearcity please do
@ThisGuyDude
4 ай бұрын
Astounding. This is really fascinating stuff. You really make innovative tools! Saving this, can't wait to dig in a bit later soon as time permits. Oh this is going to be so fun
@ProjectVastness
4 ай бұрын
Jesus finally someone had the skill to code this. I tried to code something to just analise the variance and average frequencies in C , but my audio code skills are not good for that. More ro make systems and security than code audio stuff. Thank you for your awesome work
@mixourband
4 ай бұрын
This is a super nice helpful tool and your rain analogy really bring the whole idea into focus. Thanks Chris. new Sub here.
@lastdaysguitar
Ай бұрын
Chris, this is absolutely groundbreaking! Your analysis tools are touching into aspects of musical recording as its never been looked at before.
@Kateandcorey
Ай бұрын
Love it. And the nomenclature is brilliant.
@tinne26
4 ай бұрын
Fantastic work as always! Big congrats on finally getting this one out!
@GizzyDillespee
4 ай бұрын
Thanks in advance for the additional videos you mentioned having planned, where we can hear music, especially as you adjust parameters, while watching the meter. I think that will help my understanding in a practical way, as this video helps me understand theoretically and establish a baseline using the rain examples. I'm not currently creating commercial music, so "sales" or similar metrics are secondary concerns. But I'd still like my mixing and mastering to be able to sound professional in some scenarios other than luck, so I'm looking forward to trying this out, and watching the additional videos. Cool, now to press Play again and finish this video... this is one where I can't afford to think and type while it's running... I've had to rewind a few times as it is, when I got lost in thought for 10 or 15 seconds🤣🙈🙉
@GizzyDillespee
4 ай бұрын
I'm in the example section... this is what it is, but the necessity for ContentHideID makes me want to hear continuous clips of non-copyrighted music.
@Schneekardinal
4 ай бұрын
Omg, it is done! Congratulations!
@paolopierini5003
3 ай бұрын
is a very interesting thing and surely a great job, it could be the rosetta stone of good music but a manual is absolutely necessary. A description of the slew line, the meaning of the colors, the distribution of the colored dots, the vertical lines, the labels in the upper left part, and much more need to be clarified without a doubt! This is very accurate software and for that reason difficult to interpret without a description of functionality!
@Herfinnur
Ай бұрын
I’m so excited to try this out and I really hope this is as good as you say it is (and why shouldn’t it be)!
@BluesLicks101
20 күн бұрын
Very intrigued by your work, Chris - this is truly groundbreaking and I wonder how classical music, particularly adagio music would score on the meter? I wonder if getting correlation with classical greats might just be the "fine tuning" you are looking for?
@joshwawashington9266
4 ай бұрын
You the best Chris! Love your creations! Great research!...
@dreamix2007
4 ай бұрын
I think the amount of songs that didnt became hits, but look like this is, is... enormous !! 😂
@citadelo5ricks
4 ай бұрын
These plugins are amazing. The knowledge imparted is astonishing. I listened to "Natural One" the other day and was like, "Oh, yeah, that, a real band, real room mics, that's what live sounds like." At some point, records will not be released as "audio" but rather as a mathematical representation. Then we'll be able to apply processing like this to make it sound how we most enjoy listening. Personally, I can't wait for the "don't apply autotune" button.
@JL-ix5yz
4 ай бұрын
do you have your meter plugin in .dll ? the .vst3 is not recognised by all daws to my knowledge
@carlkolthoff5402
4 ай бұрын
Very cool! Can't wait to try it. Will definetely compare my favourite songs from famous bands to my own mixes.
@LukeNyman
Ай бұрын
Major problem - how do you load a song? Drag and drop doesn't work on my macbook pro 2019. There's no load function that I can find. What to do? Can anyone help me out?
@ManCalledMif
4 ай бұрын
Look forward to testing this out when my Mac is fixed. Thank you
@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062
3 ай бұрын
Wow. This is a great example of why I’m a patreon member, and anyone that reads this should be too.
@Wstarlights
4 ай бұрын
This was the best music production video I've ever watched - my intrigue leads me to what I feel is a ln obvious next dive into the specifics - a per genre, look at the top music under the same criteria - country, rap/hip hop, pop, grunge/alternative, nu metal, heavy metal, classic rock, edm - trance/techno etc.., and classical symphonic etc.. I'd be really interested in genre specific hallmarks of the top music.
@MichaelDTaylortHEMADProducer
4 ай бұрын
A Wonderful! accomplishment....
@Gedagnors
4 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you so much!!!!!
@kendanzan8088
3 ай бұрын
You’re friggin brilliant man
@kcrosley
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this, Chris! “Super interesting!” as I’m always saying in my channel.
@agentur00pan
4 ай бұрын
wow, thank you very much. will help me a lot, I think. u are a genius
@ramspencer5492
4 ай бұрын
Hey Chris. Congrars on the release! I have a question... I feel like radio was a big part of the "classic hit record" sound... This sounded better on The record player but that's not what made people run out and buy music... Feel like there should be a way, a meter version....to factor in radio broadcast compression... And I'm curious how that interacts with the sound of the old records... What's that would look like on a meter. Radio was the hook for a long, long time. When you're just playing an actual record on a turntable you can turn it as loud as, or quiet as you like..... Still is the issue of the stream version... Today's radio version. How to maximize those. There are some negative repercussions and being turned up on a streaming service.... I forget what they are but they're there. I feel like like even after watching this I don't understand the relationship between slew and RMS. Is there something you can point me to help me understand it more?
@ramspencer5492
4 ай бұрын
It's going to take a while for me to understand this. But now I'm really curious, but was the best option for radio stations with their broadcast limiting/compression? What sounded best there? And it's there anything we can learn from it when dealing with streaming. Radio is what caused us to go out and buy records. Fortunately the streaming services themselves have done some things to help with the loudness war. It was getting really, really crazy there for a while. I like Andrew Sche0's approach of using parallel compression on a music bus, to bring everything up but maintain the peaks. That's helpful too.
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
This is why the unbelievably dynamic 80s stuff worked. That 80s/DAW degree of extreme dynamicness is not actually the best until you compress it a bit. You can do that in a mix: compare to for instance old Beatles, which is heavily compressed since well before Rubber Soul, and gets extreme from then up to Abbey Road (totally different sound)
@Strepite
4 ай бұрын
@@ramspencer5492For radio it’s best to have not squashed dynamic masters and let their processing do the job. In theory around -12 LUFS or even less. I had one mistake mastering a dj mix loud that was played on radio. It sounded dreaded awful, the radio processing squashed it even more and it was a mess.
@neverahippie
4 ай бұрын
@@ramspencer5492 A lot of broadcast stations used the Optimod processor built by Orban, first developed as an analogue processor and latterly as a digital solution. This contributed to the sound in a major way as you've noticed yourself, and quite positively in many instances as you also mentioned, to the extent that people have made attempts to replicate its processes. The Orban entry in Wikipedia will give you some basic info about what the Optimod does (hesitant to post here in case it's interpreted by KZitem as spamming) and also if you're more interested you could do worse than look up the Stereotool (audio broadcast processing) forum for a thread titled "OPTIMOD SOUND IS HERE !" where a user has attempted to replicate Optimod in the software affiliated with the stereotool forum
@nilespeshay1734
4 ай бұрын
This was my first thought. I assumed others had the same exact concern and went to the comments. At the moment... I'm not sure how these readings can be useful if they're NOT the radio broadcast versions of these +radio hits+. It would also SEEM to presume that the audiences tastes/sensibilities (even JUST for compression) have remained constant for over half a century, but.... I'm not done considering the entire video. And I'm 100% sure Chris has thought of this stuff if +I+ thought of this stuff, lol.
@sheeepman
2 ай бұрын
Woooah just look at Bicep - Glue light the Meter up, incredible! Also very interesting to examine what the songs you like look like, not the hit ones. I tend to like the ones with a lot of red dots spread evenly. Cool stuff!
@airwindows
2 ай бұрын
That means you like a brighter, 80s-modern sort of tone, but not grating, and you don't want it REAL bright or there would be lots of black spikes and grey spikes in there too. Lots of red dots evenly, means brightness and glitter but still an amount of balance. You can mix stuff to be like that too :)
@geoffallan3804
Ай бұрын
I've run a LOT of music through this, the one that leapt to AA and never came down was Simple Minds, "New Gold Dream", from the album of the same name. Apparently it hits all the things that Meter is looking for.
@youlemur
4 ай бұрын
Been using your plugins for many years, been on your Patreon for years (different account, different name, anonymously,..), but this might be the most useful plugin so far. Maybe. Gotta test it in my niche kind of tekno. :) Thank you Chris!
@larrylomo4817
4 ай бұрын
I tested this out with tidal with songs by people that I know and songs that I worked on that got lots of views / steams etc. Not Billboard 100 but songs that actually gained traction. They all rose to the "Biggest" level or higher. Wow.
@elxarproductions
3 ай бұрын
Watching the video, downloaded it, tried it.. still can't understand how to "read it" or what I'm looking at is there a manual or anything explaining what everything that's on the screen is?
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
No. This didn't even exist a couple months ago. It's a new thing showing interrelationships in sound, some of which (peak energy) has been vastly underrated for decades, so the history of this starts here and there is no manual :)
@elxarproductions
3 ай бұрын
@@airwindows Cool. Hope perhaps one can be made in time. I downloaded and tried it a bit this morning, still trying to udnrstand what exactly everything shown in is, the three bands, the redsm the greems the dots and so on :) By the way since I'm here commenting, thanks for all the work you're doing. I just found your plugins cause These past days I've decided that to improve I wanted to take away as much "visual" information possible in my mixing session and start working only on ears and you work immediately came up, so trying all of your stuff out :)
@s90210h
2 ай бұрын
This is a great tool! I would like simple labels in each band though. like rms etc. It would also be great to learn other production techniques and their effect in Meter. What do too many red dots in lane 2 mean? If a deep house track mix hits DA, is that good?
@MrWunterslausch
3 ай бұрын
I am watching this for the second time now. I would really like to understand exactly what it means. I get the take away and in general what the point is that Chris makes, and I am testing it with some of my own music with comparisons. But I don't think I understand what slew energy is exactly. Can someone explain and how you can listen for this?
@DL-1
28 күн бұрын
Cab you show us how to mix for this level of result, from beginning to end?i have never mixed and mastered a project like the ones that you mentioned. Also, how withs this apply to urban music like rap and hip hop,neo soul, and rhythm and blues? The sonics and mixed in those genres and sub genres are different from the billboard mainstream music discussed here in this video. Would that mean that the processes have to be different or done differently? This video is impressive. It's a super scientific approach. I've never seen it heard of anything like this before.
@ParkrinkBeats
4 ай бұрын
I appreciate that you're introducing this new perspective. I definitely am not 100% clear on what the ratings mean though. I ran the chorus of Lorde's "Sober II" through the meter & the chorus, which is at -6.6 LUFS & is constantly showing clipping, is somehow giving an "EF" rating - which is apparently the same as extremely quiet pink floyd music? How is this possible? Am I misunderstanding something? Wondering if the meter simply can't process things at these extreme level of loudness. It's such that the rating actually goes up in the quieter parts of the song - the outro shot up to a "DB" rating, while being much, much, quieter than the chorus. Would really appreciate some more explanation here. Thanks Chris.
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
Correct, it can't. I got the same thing off Skrillex. If the meter's showing constant clipping, the 'line' stops meaning 'go up to show excitement and energy' and starts to show how much the energy FAILED to convey itself. The line can go down either because you intentionally restrained energy, or because you screwed up the conveyance of energy. Some super-aggressive but also loud mixes hang on to a fairly high rating simply because they're trying to do that, and the intended sound keeps peeking through all the time.
@DrGlu
4 ай бұрын
Wow just watch half of this video and begin to realize this video is a big thing going on for Music Inudustry
@TheRTM
4 ай бұрын
The rain sounds like a pink noise generator.
@eranddroory9987
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for all your hard work. I do have a suggestion to your videos. The volume is super low. I crank up the volume but still pretty hard to hear you. Maybe you could push the gain a bit harder on your microphone? 😊
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I will speak up :) for this one, I had so much else to think about that I was unusually low key. I guess, knowing how big of a deal it was, I was more shy than usual.
@djhardcorehengst6356
4 ай бұрын
@@airwindows Why dont you use the plugin to check if your volume in your videos is good?
@artisan002
4 ай бұрын
Wow. Now I'm wondering about jazz records. Oh! And also premium, higher speed reel-to-reel tape recording versus slower.
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I tested Dave Brubeck - Take Five, and it's a CF. Just a spot check (original record: was my Dad's). As for 30 ips, that's a lot of the tone difference between 70s and 80s, equally valid tones for this. 30 ips gets you brighter but you can still craft the brightness to not be excessive: lots of examples.
@Pummelfay
3 ай бұрын
Im definately gonna check this out in depth and test it maybe its an actual reliable too for metering crest factor
@darkcharmrecords
4 ай бұрын
Top record producer Max Mosley one time went crazy at engineer Jaycen Joshua for removing white noise Max had placed into his recording sent to be mixed by Jaycen.
@Deran.D
4 ай бұрын
That’s funny I thought the same from 19:00 but thought it was Max Martin lol iirc JJ also said he was sitting in on a Pensado session and noticed a low level noise driving him crazy but Pensado said it calmed him and reminded him of the ocean lol they a/b’d it with & without the noise & decided it sounded fuller with it. I think he also said the very low level noise acts like a natural dither for tails and reverb tails etc but what DP said about the ocean could be a thing too, like how some people purposely listen to noise to sleep/relax. Is it because as humans we are used to constantly filtering out noise without even being aware, like if you record a video on your phone and play it back you can hear it, do you think on some level that feeling of the process of our ears/brains filtering it out is satisfying and makes things feel more “real” because we do it everyday? Or just the dithering purposes? It’s fascinating isn’t it!
@dropLove_
4 ай бұрын
Love you and all you do.
@feligente
4 ай бұрын
not all heroes wear capes
@kendanzan8088
3 ай бұрын
Airwindows: “stop limiting your tracks. Stop clipping them” me, who prides himself on achieving phat sausage-like waveforms on his tracks: 👁️👄👁️
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
In fairness Meter is able to show you which peaks you can totally get away with clipping and which are better not to :)
@johnmcvicker6728
20 күн бұрын
@Airwindows Possible bug - I have an LG Ultrawide monitor. I widened Meter to the full width of the window and as the meter touched the right-edge (max x-axis) it crashed Cubase. However, sized as the default window size, it wraps. Reminds me of an out of bounds error for the graphics size.
@airwindows
19 күн бұрын
I have an ultrawide monitor too. Not sure what to tell you about this one. JUCE lets you attempt to make really big interfaces, possibly it lets you make 'em too big for your own good?
@johnmcvicker6728
19 күн бұрын
@@airwindows thanks - yeah, was just experimenting (mostly because "why not?") and made it full window width. Not much of a big deal just forgot to save some session changes before playing and whoops - need to do them again. I need to see if Cubase has an "autosave when pressing play" option.
@Timkast
4 ай бұрын
There is obviously a treasure of information here. Unfortunately it’s prevented poorly and is missing a lot of “why” and “how” from the host. I’d love to hear this explained to maybe…a 10-year old?
@alexpalumbo1335
Ай бұрын
Blessings on you
@boulevardsound5137
4 ай бұрын
The plugin you've made is fantastic and impressive. It's intended use based on your claim is what I'm struggling to wrap my head around. Can this plugin meter hits from today? (From 2023 to present Let's say) If so, why not use those examples? If the plugin can't meter them due to them being too loud to process, is loudness really an issue here, given it's a hit? Great work and looking forward to seeing more!
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
Timeless hits continue to be relevant, years later. I'm going to suggest that anything from 2023 that is still getting anybody's attention in even 2025, never mind 2033, is going to be doing at least something right on this meter. Rap music adjusted by having more space within the beat for hit vocals. Billie Eilish-style soft vocals adjusted by turning the inability to convincingly do loud vocals, into a form where the amplified quietness is the point. All those things register on the meter successfully, as adaptations.
@boulevardsound5137
3 ай бұрын
@@airwindows I'll have to definitely check it out. Thanks for your response!
@octopusonfire100
4 ай бұрын
I really need a detailed manual for this.
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I know, right? I don't even have one. I'm able to coax the data out, but we're all in the same boat as far as interpreting it. I know I can tell you 'clipping - probably bad' and 'middle meter red dots - bright, middle meter black lines over the grey area - too bright' and 'evenly distributed clouds of dots are best'. Beyond that, we're all finding out together :)
@Cronosounds
4 ай бұрын
What about the bottom meter?
@DavidPixleythemuzzlZ
4 ай бұрын
I just have to say... "Wow"
@diegooro8780
4 ай бұрын
Chris at this point you should try making a daw
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I do have ConsoleX coming, which ought to work in whatever DAW you like best :)
@hr2186
4 ай бұрын
Like Harrison mixbus that would actually function, cpu footprint of reaper, midi of cubase. Id be sold pronto
@diegooro8780
4 ай бұрын
@@hr2186 fl studio has good midi functions too. Workflow and modulation capabilities of ableton live and bitwig.
@gillihansmobilewelding
4 ай бұрын
@@hr2186 You are asking for a miracle here.😂 If you find such a unicorn, come back and tell me. I left Cubase for Studio One, which is great, but the stock plugs are mostly trash.
@Barncore
3 ай бұрын
As a mastering engineer this REALLY interesting. Seems like it gives you some extra perspective of the crest factor. Is that a fair statement? What's the definition of a "hit record" in the context of this meter please?
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
'maximizing a particular kind of crest factor you didn't get eyes on before, that is associated with popular and big-selling audio over the last 50 or 60 years (or longer)'
@mementomori317
4 ай бұрын
I like the idea of this plugin in principle, but... I think that "hit records" were popular because the music resonated with people, either that or they had successful promotion, not because they were well-produced. In other words, a song that was badly mixed but had good melodies would sell better than a song that was well mixed but wasn't catchy. At the end of the day, the rhythms/melodies/harmonies/timbres largely lie outside of mixing and these factors are most important. Many modern songs arguably have too little dynamics, but dynamics don't necessarily contribute to punchiness, or sounds cutting through (not that Chris said that, but that's the wrong impression some people have). Skrillex is obviously better mixed than Burial, but would score worse on the meter. All I'm saying is the hit record meter won't tell you how good your song sounds, even by the average consumer's opinion of what good is. izotope's Ozone plugin is probably your best bet if you'd like to see how your mix/master compares to popular ones.
@imaginarytube
4 ай бұрын
Chris is not saying the plugin will turn crappy songs into a hit. It is a tool that will elevate a good song to where it's plasant to listen to over and over without ear fatigue.
@sqcaraudio
4 ай бұрын
I was going to write something like this comment. 'So now we all know we can get a hit record?' This is my point. Its a lottery, music popularity is a popularity contest.
@mementomori317
4 ай бұрын
@@imaginarytube I think ear fatigue is more of an issue with headphones rather than speakers (many consumers don't have good speakers nowadays - idk why), I could be wrong about that tho.
@Jrel
4 ай бұрын
@@mementomori317 Yes to overly-hyped consumer devices, and also no. In a song, the constant/focused saturation of upper mids, too much low end that creates a "woofy" sound, or too much highs, can cause ear fatigue.
@imaginarytube
4 ай бұрын
@@mementomori317 Ear fatigue is not limited to headphones use. It is a known issue in many industries.
@MarkyGoldstein
4 ай бұрын
Legendary
@bicrome
2 ай бұрын
truly awesome
@rtrtrt1312
3 ай бұрын
Man that's amazing. It seems that your meter is really into techno tho. Everything I tried easily reaches B, but whenever some swinged 16th hats come in the meter goes crazy and start jumping to AA pretty fast!
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
Bear in mind you don't necessarily WANT to go past AA: for commercial potential it's actually better to rein it in a bit, or things get oppressive and the mainstream switches off.
@rtrtrt1312
3 ай бұрын
Yeah I realized it, in fact all of those tracks were club bangers that you usually don't listen to outside the club. Btw I'm having some troubles analizing those 'tiers'. Seems like if you keep listening/passing the track through the analizer, the level keeps rising. It rarely stabilize and it always drops down quite fast in the quieter sections of the track (still the blue dots are present but shifted down in vertical axis). So, could be fair to assume: A: lot of sound design, sonic landscapes takeover---> finer and more niche tracks and genres B: mainstream timeless track C: lacks of personality, it's not mainstream, its not niche, its not deep, just too normal D: deep laidback tracks you listen to when chilling. Not a timeless anthems but still memorable tracks are here E/F: no idea, as far as i've testes everything reaches at least D tier in few seconds Cheers!
@mountwestmusic
4 ай бұрын
Beautiful! I'm already using it to monitor my mix. I tried using the standalone version on Mac with a trying to use the loopback function on my Focusrite Scarlett but for some reason Meter won't receive the input signal from the channels I've selected. Perhaps I'm missing something...
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I didn't design this for the standalone, it's a plugin. Standalone is just something JUCE can try to do: it's good for softsynths! Don't assume I mean for you to use it as an application, it's just something JUCE does :)
@mountwestmusic
4 ай бұрын
@@airwindows Oh that makes sense! :D Thank you for letting me know. Once again, very exciting to me to finally try Meter out myself!
@Jrel
4 ай бұрын
@@airwindows Ah this probably explains why the standalone isn't working right on PC either when I play music through the Windows Media Player or just music from any site through Chrome. No worries. At least the VST3 is working.
@mountwestmusic
4 ай бұрын
@@airwindows I'm curious, what does the red and green overlays represent in the top graph? Are those also slew related?
@GrensOost
4 ай бұрын
Chris... thank you!
@sebastianbaran9645
4 ай бұрын
i actually prefer the compressed sound on headphones/low volume listening
@blackboxpup
4 ай бұрын
i always wondered why nobody talks about crest factor and stuff like this. really does feel like an industry inside secret or something
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
If anybody ends up with a real take-away from my release of Meter, it should be this. Crest factor is not 'leave empty space to make people turn the music up', it means something is happening over the RMS. Loudly! Peak energy is not only a thing, it's the whole secret to hit records. It's not just 'occasional loud hit', it's a vibe that is happening CONSTANTLY while the music is playing, and that's what's missing. It comes from talent and effort and mixing skill, and current practice excludes it (hence the industry-wide decline. why put yourself through modern music when you can play video games?)
@johnmcvicker6728
4 ай бұрын
Most new music I cannot listen to. I do really love what Steven Wilson has put out. I need to get this tool and run the music I like these days and run it thru. Also some Christian Contemporary Music, or CCM for short, this now has a modern feel but has a lot of air play on some stations. I mix at a church and want to get better at my live mixes. I should be able to run the live mix thru it. Amazing tool and my mind has been wanting something like this for a long time.
@Charlyfromthenuclearcity
Ай бұрын
Soooo, I try to understand what's happening in this meter. On top is peak/RMS meter In the middle the Slew meter (which I didn't really get) At the bottom is low frequencie meter/concentration. What is the line big blue/black line crossing the meter ? Is it related to the rating ? I feel like I didn't get the color-coding of the dots properly also. Thanks to anyone who will take the time to help me get this ! :D
@oxar050
20 күн бұрын
Top is a peak/rms meter indeed, dot cloud there is peak distribution, bottom is rms. Under that is slew meter, which, if I understand correctly, displays "brightness" values of the peak. Blue for mid channel, red/green for L/R. Under that is frequency spectrum, bottom line 20hz, then 200, then 2k and lastly 20k. All these meters relate to energy levels over time, and hit records from certain eras have different energy distributions. Chris said in the video, for instance, that the 80s stuff was at times overly dynamic, and that today's stuff is often overly flat. Line in the center measures a lot of different things to calculate "hit-record-ness" and for a hit record you want this line to never go down over the course of your song. Green is for commercial success, whilst blue is for career-defining songs. Overall, for a hit record, you want to aim for evenly distributed clouds of blue dots, at different densities depending on the sound you're going for (biggest / attention / vibe) whilst making sure the line never goes down. Hope this helps
@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS
4 ай бұрын
SCIENCE!! love it MASTER!!
@LonetrackTV
3 ай бұрын
well, my mind is blown
@SuperUserMusic
Ай бұрын
big ups
@ColinBennun
4 ай бұрын
I suspect that one of the secrets of a hit record is making sure its peak level exceeds -15dBFS and that it has a comparable loudness to other similar KZitem videos er sorry I meant other hit records
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I can go you one more than that. It looks to me like, to be competitive, your peak level must CONSTANTLY be over -12dBFS and maybe even over -6dBFS, for just about every moment, while your RMS stays under -12dBFS and maybe even under -18dBFS. And that the bigger the crest factor and the more evenly you fill it in with peaks, the better, as long as there's always a loud one, like ten to twenty a second, peaking over -6dBFS.
@pac0re
4 ай бұрын
You can see the Deadmau5 - Strobe Lead is definitely limited / compressed as the fat blue dots are pretty much clamped, at least in that example. The gap seems difficult to achieve in any electronic genre as the bass is so prominent. I wonder what strobe looks like on the drop.
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
Remember, literally all the super-high-performing stuff is ALSO compressed, including all the Beatles and don't even get me started on the Cheap Trick :) compressed is NOT bad, limited is NOT bad, even clipped is NOT automatically bad. The question is whether you're doing it to good effect, or bad.
@JohnnysaidWhat
4 ай бұрын
Chris you are awesome ❤
@chrisdowner692
3 ай бұрын
Hi there, is anyone else having issues getting this to work on Mac? Any config settings are very appreciated?
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
You have to be able to get a CLAP, AU, or VST3 plugin to work. Meter is a JUCE plugin, so if your system breaks JUCE-based plugins in some way there's not a lot I can do…
@chrisdowner692
3 ай бұрын
Many thanks , I’ll explore that 👍
@sadicus
3 ай бұрын
is METER included in "Airwindows Consolidated"?
@airwindows
3 ай бұрын
Impossible, Consolidated is for audio DSP plugins that don't have their own GUI and also have ten or less sliders.
@mysteriousstranger9496
2 ай бұрын
@@airwindows Is this the only plugin not in the consolidated download? Also, very interesting meter. Excited to see how useful it can be in mixing and mastering modern dance genres.
@flmason
4 ай бұрын
I'm thinking none of this has anything to do with crafting hits... but rather about producing a commercial sounding recording. If I'm not mistaken, many, many hit records have a frequency spectrum that rolls of same db per decible as.... ready for it?... pink noise...
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
The interesting part is we're seeing intermittent peak spectrum against frequency spectrum. It's not simply pink noise. It's brighter, louder peaks against a more rolled-off background: this corresponds very closely to the sound of rain in an open environment, at different rain intensities. I think this is worth attention. It's not just noise, but noise in an acoustic environment, driven by eons-old natural phenomena. The idea is that we've evolved to fit this: the sound was around long before we ever were.
@flmason
4 ай бұрын
@@airwindows I don't think you understand my point... 1 Your talking about there graphs with no clear explanation what they represent. 2 Your talking a sub-atomic particle level when an elements and compound level is needed. I'm 20 minutes into this vid and I still haven't heard one thing I can use to sit down... and know I'm writing a potential hit. Things like... "Hits generally use chord progression x"... "Hits generally get to the chorus in 30 seconds"... "Hits generally... [Fill in the blank].... There's literally nothing useful to a composer or even a mix engineer at this point. Maybe something in the next 30 minutes? Most folks would have abandoned the vid by here... Check your stats, I'll bet you can see that's true.
@DSenji
3 ай бұрын
@@flmason seems like you're just looking for an easy way to make a hit lol, sounds lazy of you
@flmason
3 ай бұрын
@@DSenji You got it all wrong... this vid wastes a bunch of time that gives songwriters nothing to work with... it's too deep of a dive into technicals and not what actually makes a hit... which is that it connects with and moves people. Nothing here shows any understanding of that, at all. So your characterization of my comment is wrong. As for "easy way to make a hit"... hits happen... sometimes it took a lot of work... other times it didn't... because it's about people... not about dots on a screen like this vid goes into. Nowhere did I mention anything about "easy hit"... that's you reading into it. This vid is talking about molecules... let's say... when what's needed is how to form metal... if perhaps we used car building as a parallel. As such, it's actually useless to a songwriter. But signal processing engineers might appreciate the effort that went into the tooling.
@flmason
2 ай бұрын
@@DSenji Lazy... me? LOL! Everyone that clicked on this vid was looking for an answer... including you... LOL!
@JoeDoig
4 ай бұрын
..it all comes from the "noise". I understand the audio presented directly represents the energy content...noise is the source of all music as silence is the source of noise!...
@GaiaWaska
3 ай бұрын
What is Slew Energy?
@Jrel
4 ай бұрын
Hmm, I'm having no luck getting this to work right on my PC. It is just drawing flat lines. The VST3 does work though. Just the standalone does not.
@ritzenhauf
4 ай бұрын
Your music is dead! 😲
@DavidPixleythemuzzlZ
4 ай бұрын
Hi. I'm Chris from Airwindows. I am Spacey Blurr. You are Spacey Blurr. We are Spacey Blurr. (Just kidding, or am I?)
@rosygrove
4 ай бұрын
Revolver came out before whole lotta love? That high frequency difference is more due to the sound of the production most likely not it beint older. Revolver is a much more polished record, beautiful!
@StanleyGurvich
4 ай бұрын
wow
@danielspektor
4 ай бұрын
+1
@DavidPixleythemuzzlZ
4 ай бұрын
I wish that Fleetwood Mac was showcased here lol... But I guess I can just download the plugin, huh?
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I've got some Fleetwood Mac recorded off my old vinyl. Depends on whether I can do an Evergreens/Timeless video and treat it like a react video. I might be able to, and I'd love to showcase some of that stuff :)
@DavidPixleythemuzzlZ
4 ай бұрын
@@airwindows maybe you should ask the community for requests. I mean, I'd ask for Fantomas 'Director's Cut', but I might already know that it might even be slightly overly compressed/limited, or something. Idk, though... The entire album is a field study IMHO. Pink Floyd 'The Great Gig In The Sky', would be my other number one request. *Edit* And, you should check out the movie, TMNT Mutant Mayhem... then check out the musical score by Trent Resnor and Atticus Ross. It's the best musical score that I've ever heard, in my life... but perhaps watching the movie is necessary, to get that visual representation of stuff.
@DavidPixleythemuzzlZ
4 ай бұрын
@@airwindows wait, would KZitem strike you for copyright things? Maybe something for a private stream.
@flamesintheattic
4 ай бұрын
Lesson learned... just release recordings of different rain storms. I was just listening to the police.. they are a power trio so by necessity their arrangements are pretty sparse.
@Strepite
4 ай бұрын
While I agree completely about the nonsense of fatigue inducing modern mixes and masters you are comparing hit songs from decades ago. It was a different world back then, technologically but also psychologically. That’s simply not the case nowadays, there are countless of hit songs that are squashed to death and borderline unlistenable. But they sound loud on cellphone, bluetooth speakers or airpods or whatever the young generation sadly consumes music on. Not just pop, for example, recent drum and bass Chase & Status album is unlistenable with -3 RMS masters that are literally distorting and unlistenable and have MILLIONS of streams. Why? Because a good song is nothing today without hype, image, social network presence (big labels today don’t even consider you if you’re under 50k followers on TikTok). Attention of kids due to forementioned idiotic social networks are few seconds (constant swiping generation) and everyone is fighting to get them in those few seconds and they do it with loudness among other things (memes etc.) The only good thing streaming services brought to the table is loudness normalization so nowadays you really don’t have to squash masters to death to be “as loud” as others if u don’t want to. I already started to see some dynamic mixes and masters in mainstream due to that. Also buying vinyl is a much better chance of getting good sound as brickwall limiting for vinyl is completely useless and only idiots do it. So yeah I get your point but I don’t think it’s applicable to todays chaotc world suffering from infodemic noise which is about to get even worse due to AI-everything. It’s surely a sad state of music industry that perfectly depicts a sad state of pre-WW3 humanity. Why Burial’s music got famous? (btw it’s not dubstep but more UK garage music). Not because he properly distributed frequencies and dynamic range but nailed that grimey “big city” (London) night vibe and emotion at 3AM when you are wasted after party going home tired by public bus or walking the empty streets alone. Unfortunately today a great song has no chance becoming a hit without it “blowing up” on TikTok. The world has dramaticly changed to worse, especially after covid…
@Strepite
4 ай бұрын
@@before.23 People don’t remember Dre and Eminem for mixdowns but for their lyric skills. I mean you said it yourself mentioning the transistors. It’s the song, not the mix. A good song will not be drowned by an average mix. That’s where our thoughts differ. A good riff, hook, chorus, groove makes a good song, not the mix. A mix can emphasize greatness, but can rarely destroy it. There will also probably be less “evergreens” in the future because the culture changed. Everyone wants new, fresh, hyped, “in” and they want it now. Culture has became much more disposable because of Internet. Everything is extremely faster than before, and I mentioned it when I talk about attention span change. You just can’t compare past and present. Hard not to be depressed looking at what’s going on in the world. In the 60ies you haven’t really had a realtime feed of everything (Internet) and Covid slso brought sociologic changes, some kids basically almost finished high-school (Europe education) with masks on. That must have an impact on society. Good music will always find audience but unfortunately not necessarily enough to make a normal living out of it (as you mentioned “some”) Music on Spotify “clips”because most are still afraid to use less limiting and clipping in mastering, so it’s still a shit master now playing at -14 LUFS integrated and also YT music sadly doesn’t normalize so it’s still a sensless loudness race… but at least some efforts are being made to solve the wars, I mean -14 LUFS integrated is basically a mix without any clipping and/or limiting and if you upload it to Spotify it will sound comparably loud as unlistenable C&S song that’s -3 LUFS Anyways like a lot of Airwindows plugins I will make good use of this one, and to clarify I am all in for great sounding dynamic mixes that don’t pierce your ear.
@Strepite
4 ай бұрын
@@before.23 I agree about Dre, but I think his main thing was being a producer, and by producer I mean the man pulling the strings, connections etc… Of course life was bad before, but just because you’re sitting confortably in your house in USA doesn’t mean things are not weird atm. We never had such thing as Internet and mass information we have acess to atm and we are rapidly starting to see consequences of that but if you don’t understand that I can’t do anything to explain, it’s all around you and it’s getting worse and worse…
@airwindows
4 ай бұрын
I've got all the songs I referenced with the meter on my computer (since I own the records :) ) and so, I am also able to make reasonably good mp3s of 'em, and put them onto my phone. It's not an especially big phone, it's a mini iPhone. And so, I can also play the same hit record mixes that I showed, on the phone. The AA and BA stuff plays better on the phone than modern loudenated stuff. It sounds bigger, is clearer, has more drama and mojo, everything better and not quieter. The peak energy projects well, through a phone, when focussed. The super-dynamic DA and EA stuff, for instance the original mixes of that Genesis album with 'That's All', also sound good but have SO much crest factor that they're a bit quiet off a phone. Easily fixed, don't go to that much of an extreme, allow more of a Beatles/Zeppelin level of RMS loudness and you're good. You're mistaken that peak energy will not grab listeners in the first seconds. Peak energy is the ORIGINAL 'grab listeners in the first seconds', and it's easily do-able with modern technology, and hearable on any phone :)
@johndoe_1984
4 ай бұрын
If your music suck, it sucks. We need a plugin to tell the truth instead of another turd polisher.
@enifyako
2 ай бұрын
A simple test with identical audio on an unreleased song in my DAW shows that this is BS. I dig the concept of finding correlations between peak energy and slew/content (a definition of slew would be nice??), but your plugin doesn't even do that. I took the exact same audio, played it back 3 different times, at 3 different linear gain levels. Once at the original mix level, which leaves 6 dB of headroom, once 6 dB below that, and once 6 dB *above* original, which plays about the same peak range as most of your examples--the highest peaks reaching clipping every so often. No limiters. Each pass had a different grading result, showing different slew content, and landing the all-important "line" in vastly different places depending on a *LINEAR* gain change applied statically across the entire song. If all it takes to get a better letter grade is turn up or down the track, with absolutely no impact to the peaks, then I fail to see how this meter helps achieve anything but put dots on the screen.
@airwindows
2 ай бұрын
It is possible you do not understand how all these interrelating things are scaled and shifted relative to the 0 dB point. Why would it give the same result if it's not hitting at the same peak levels? Do you figure any old peak levels would do as well? :)
@unsaved6
3 ай бұрын
Chis, much respect to you... but you best know that a hit song can and has been recorded on a single microphone with terrible quality ... on the reciprocal, total junk can be recorded that visually looks like a beetles record.
@pricesmith1793
2 ай бұрын
so sorry... what is consolex?
@airwindows
2 ай бұрын
Stay tuned ;)
@davelordy
4 ай бұрын
Don't let Greta see your modular !
@leepshin
4 ай бұрын
(FACE PALM) IT took you "this" long to realise that extreme loudness detracts from dynamics?
@Cronosounds
4 ай бұрын
He mentioned it's a bit more than just that.
@whitex4652
4 ай бұрын
This is now the only time I use the term "gamechanger". Here we go ... Gamechanger! :-)
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