My respect for you went up more than I thought possible with this discussion I would love it if Methodism became part of Anglicanism once again
@danielhixon8209
2 ай бұрын
Great to see this conversation. God willing we will have more formal conversations between Methodist and Anglican churches. In fact I hear there are already teams being put together. You guys touch on some really important issues that could be further explored, such as the issue of ordinations and succession of Bishop, Wesley‘s own Sacramental theology that has been at times neglected among American Methodist, and so on. Lucas makes a point that I sometimes heard discussed when I was a United Methodist pastor: the Wesleyan stream does not have the kind of public figures - pastors or Theologians - that the Reformed, or the Anglicans, or the Roman Catholics have in spades. People know who Nt Wright and John Piper are, or Thomas Merton, or CS Lewis.
@dallascopp4798
2 ай бұрын
I think a cool goal for the ACNA would be to reach out to the Global Methodist church and other independent Methodist churches, and go into talks with them about minding the divide and coming back together.
@wallywahl
2 ай бұрын
With ordained women? Wow
@jmjaquinas7298
2 ай бұрын
@@wallywahl Don’t ACNA and Global Methodists both ordain women, at least in some jurisdictions?
@dallascopp4798
2 ай бұрын
@@jmjaquinas7298 They do actually and I hope both churches end that unbiblical practice
@jmjaquinas7298
2 ай бұрын
@@dallascopp4798 Me too!
@noahtylerpritchett2682
Ай бұрын
Anglicanism/Episcopalianism (same thing) Methodism, Nazarene holiness movement, And Pentecostalism are probably my favorite denominations. What I call the Thomas Cranmerian religious lineage. In practice function im Non-denominational as i go to a non-denominational church (i hope they adopt a denomination). But in theory i definitely theologically agree and belong to this tradition myself. And will definitely convert and attend either a Anglican or Methodist church. Anglicanism/Episcopalianism (same thing) Methodism, Nazarene holiness movement, And Pentecostalism are probably my favorite denominations. What I call the Thomas Cranmerian religious lineage.
@Willwhite5809
2 ай бұрын
If only we could get Anglicans to agree to the 39 Articles and Methodists to agree to the 25 Articles.
@puremercury
2 ай бұрын
I am an Anglican, but the Methodists' 25 Articles are better overall than the 39 Articles.
@davidon1984
2 ай бұрын
I really like Methodism. The only concern I have is women ordination. Is there such a thing as a Methodist denomination that does not ordain women? Or is it fully ingrained in the tradition?
@isaiahbraddock
2 ай бұрын
the ones that dont are ironically low church and usually called Weslyans. It's sadly kinda heavily rooted in the methodist tradition seeing as one of the reasons why it spread so fast is because they had women preachers pretty early on.
@CYC_JP
2 ай бұрын
Methodism is woke Christianity. Avoid it. Sadly Anglicanism too is going down the path of Methodism.
@TheOtherCaleb
2 ай бұрын
@@CYC_JPYou have clearly never read any classical methodists.
@colebacca1369
2 ай бұрын
@@isaiahbraddockunfortunately, the Wesleyan churches around me also ordain women. I think there are a few VERY small Methodist denominations that pop up here and there throughout the county that don’t ordain women, but they are few and far between
@etheretherether
2 ай бұрын
These are the denominations that don't ordain women as priests: Southern Methodist Church (SMC), Evangelical Methodist Church of America, Fundamental Methodist Conference, Evangelical Wesleyan Church, and Primitive Methodist Church (PMC). Low vs high church leanings probably vary by parish.
@Willwhite5809
2 ай бұрын
Hooker did not hold to a presence in, with, or under the elements.
@jmjaquinas7298
2 ай бұрын
I think you mean the first Protestant service or perhaps the first service in what would become the 13 original colonies was Anglican. The first Mass in the New World was celebrated no later than 1494, nearly 50 years before Anglicanism existed. Further, the Diocese of San Juan de Puerto Rico was established in 1511, so there was a bishop in what would become the United States (though not a state itself) fully 27 years before Anglicanism even existed let alone had come to the New World. The first Anglican service appears to have been no earlier than 1578, but the first Mass in Florida, which would become an American state, was celebrated in 1565. However, Anglicans did have a “bishop” in what would become an American State six years before Bishop Carroll was consecrated bishop of Baltimore.
@grega925
2 ай бұрын
Anglicanism has existed since the arrival of Christianity in ancient Britisn.
@jmjaquinas7298
2 ай бұрын
@@grega925 That’s assuming an Anglican historiography. On that perspective, even English Catholics (such as the Carrolls) would be considered Anglicans. But, even assuming such a perspective, there were Spanish Catholic (not Anglican according to any approach) bishops, priests, and parishes in the New World before people of English heritage ever colonized this land.
@clivejungle6999
2 ай бұрын
@@jmjaquinas7298 It is Orthodox tradition that St Aristobulus arrived in Britain in 37AD and he is a saint in the Roman tradition as well. Britain wouldn't accept the Roman rite until over 600 years later. British (Not English) Christianity is as old as it gets.
@jmjaquinas7298
2 ай бұрын
@@clivejungle6999 I think you may’ve misunderstood an aspect of the conversation here. We’re talking chiefly about Anglicanism in the new world. The Spanish certainly celebrated Mass in the New World before the English celebrated any services. Furthermore, the English, at that time were, by both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox evaluations, heretics and in schism. Most Orthodox would also deny the validity of most Anglican orders post Edwardine Ordinal.
@clivejungle6999
2 ай бұрын
@@jmjaquinas7298 You said it was 'Anglican historiography', but it clearly predate sthe founding of England itself... If the Orthodox and Catholics want to deny the work of the Holy Spirit in centuries of British and English Christianity pre and post Reformation, then that is just another error of their part.
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