"Wow, as an HH main I'm really enjoying HBG, can't wait for Phemeto to give me some cool tips on how to rock shit with it" "I don't really recommend [...] playing HBG at all really" :'D
@mikonora861
3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly me
@devincrenshaw3513
3 жыл бұрын
just because it's not optimal doesn't mean you shouldn't play it. If you prefer shoulder tackle/charged shot playstyle or whatever then play HBG!
@Salmacis32
3 жыл бұрын
@@devincrenshaw3513 Oh, no doubt, I WILL keep using HBG. I'm just sad that getting into the weapon in this game comes with the caveat of it being outclassed. As much as I play with the intent of having fun over optimization there will always be a little voice in the back of my head which will nag me about it.
@AngyRoar
3 жыл бұрын
@@Salmacis32 I mained the HBG in World and honestly, I tried the LBG but just couldn't really see the reason why I'd play LBG over HBG except for very specific monsters that required elemental damage (like Kulve or Alatreon). Apart from those two, i really saw no point in using the LBG because the HBG was juste better at everything. I tried the HBG in Rise, and at first I found the charging mecanic kinda nice but after a couple of hunts I realized that, apart from Slicing ammo it's kinda useless ? And then I tried the LBG and realized that the two weapons completely switched in the new game: why would you use a hbg ? The only thing missing for me on the LBG is the secondary special ammo introduced in Iceborn (I know I'm the only one who actually played with it but it was really fun!). The best advice I can give you with the HBG is definitely to pay attention to your positionning (if you use the pierce ammo it's much easier since you won't be as close to the monster as with Spread for example) as it is a slow weapon and you'll be struggling with fast monsters if you don't know how to position properly. The dodge of the HBG is one of the best dodge with the weapon out IMO because it covers quite a lot of ground and once you get used to the initial wind up of the roll, the invincibility eyeframe becomes a lot easier to use consistantly compared to faster weapons (once again IMO). Apart from that, the best advice I can give you is to make sure to have the shortcut to craft your ammos all set and to make sure to always go in a hunt with the ammo lvl1, max berry for your ammo type, gun powder lvl3 and the berry to make the gun powder. I'm far from having fought every single monster in MHR so I don't really know if it's that necessary just yet, but in MHW some monsters required A LOT of ammo to kill and you definitely needed to recraft some gunpowder. But apart from that, have fun with the HBG !
@RujinFujin
3 жыл бұрын
The thing that sucks about playing HBG is that it feels like people gloss over it instead of going into detail over builds that are viable with it.
@SEJIBAQUI475
3 жыл бұрын
"normals will probably never be meta in any game" Underwater Normal 3 in MH3U would like a word
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
Naruga HBG normal 3 was quite good in land combat as well. it was awesome to chain staggers especially on winged monsters and... boy oh boy did it drop them from the skies when trying to lift off :)
@lncstr01
3 жыл бұрын
Obviously this guy didnt play that far on the legacy games lol
@failegion7828
3 жыл бұрын
N3 in iceborne had some nasty tank potential and even better damage than sticky meta if you could keep tenderize up. They should've gave hbg the bow's upgrading charge system minus dodge strifing. So every third shot would be fully powered. Or perhaps have it reward accuracy and aggressiveness. Hitting critical spots + every few seconds? All your shots are charged. Miss a shot or delay it to long? Gotta score x amount of hits within y amount of time to regain charge.
@Darkmega354
3 жыл бұрын
Shredding Green Plesi with normal 3 is the only thing I truly miss about underwater combat Also, RF Normal 2 with the Seregios LBG was meta in 4U as well
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
@@Darkmega354 well true, but that was less about the power of normal ammo and more because of the mechanic of the seregios weapon and that it well, only was a powerhouse fo rnormal. and I had some fun experiences underwater in general even in tri. Underwater lance was fun abd DB? gesh, I was able to move the monsters up and down without getting touched :P
@ranaude
3 жыл бұрын
Prontera hitting me right in the feels today was not what i expected.
@Langeheinicke
3 жыл бұрын
Shame he didn’t limit what he shows to what has been revealed in trailers.
@ttank0_0
3 жыл бұрын
wasn't expecting to get teary eyed at 2AM
@meathir4921
3 жыл бұрын
Just heads up for spoiler warning around 9 mins ish.
@christophheld7332
3 жыл бұрын
Saw this comment too late but thank you very much!
@stormetro6046
3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually curious about what percent of the community still needs to beat the game. My team and I beat it in I think 3 or 4 days while really taking our time but ik some other people are much more busy (or had a physical copy delivered late)
@christophheld7332
3 жыл бұрын
@@stormetro6046 in my case it is both being busy and having a physical copy. Also, I try to not rush the game and craft all kinds of weapons and complete all quests. Thats why I am still in LR
@markpearce520
3 жыл бұрын
Wow yeah wish I had looked at the comments. Most people can't/ don't want to rush through a game and beat it in one week :\
@swootygaming1701
3 жыл бұрын
Dammit so much for avoiding getting spoiled.... screwed myself on that one. There should really have been a spoiler warning on this vid :(
@kokoroh8754
3 жыл бұрын
The light bow gun vault also has three hidden use, You can rain down clusters super fast and accurate even with bad recoil and shot speed, As well as sticky and dragon
@mkv2718
3 жыл бұрын
this is mainly what i’ve been using it for too 👍. arial cluster spam is hells of fun😅
@goldmeistergeneral
3 жыл бұрын
Same is true for the fanning manoeuvre though...
@failegion7828
3 жыл бұрын
It's also great to get a mount.
@JuicemanGravy
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Been making p lbg and haven't bother with the vault. Gonna try a sticky vault lbg today
@Ryden0389
2 жыл бұрын
You should try the Nothing personal attack after vaulting and landing a few choice mines. Vault, place mine, vault, place mine, vault, place mine, charge wirebugs while shooting 4 of the mine charges (saving the last charge for each mine) then nothing personal attack when possible. This nets you about 2 charges (per mine) worth of damage extra if you hit the last charge of each of the mines.
@waitbalthy6342
3 жыл бұрын
Heads up for SPOILERS. When he starts talking about pierce he straight up shows footage of the final boss. Great vid and good info but at least give a warning if you're going to spoil a major unrevealed monster. Lots of people are taking the game slow and aren't anywhere close to the end.
@cathd5675
3 жыл бұрын
If you haven’t been spoiled on the final boss you don’t be on yt 😂
@streetgamer3452
3 жыл бұрын
@@cathd5675 I mean I’ve been watching a shitton of MH Rise vids and haven’t been spoiled on the final boss at all til I met it myself in my playthrough.
@cathd5675
3 жыл бұрын
@@streetgamer3452 bro I see the final boss at least twice everyday just from scrolling down the recommended they literally put it on the preview
@waitbalthy6342
3 жыл бұрын
@@cathd5675 not true. All the good Monster Hunter channels go through the effort of hiding in the thumbnail ( Team Darkside, Rage gaming etc...). And there's a big difference between seeing the flash of a thumbnail and seeing straight up gameplay when you're not expecting
@streetgamer3452
3 жыл бұрын
@@cathd5675 then you’re just having extremely bad luck. Hell I just looked up “Monster hunter Rise” and literally only found a single vid out of like the first 50 that had the final boss shown.
@AstralLovelace
3 жыл бұрын
"I don't see any point to the overhead jump" Someone didn't notice that you can use it to fire Clusters like a million times faster.
@SylemGistoe
3 жыл бұрын
...Holy fuck- Holy fuck. IS THAT PRONTERA CITY THEME? I haven't heard that in like 15 years.
@n7nobukai
3 жыл бұрын
I almost cried when i heard it
@skyekingdom0
3 жыл бұрын
RO gang
@BananaCreamRai
3 жыл бұрын
I was so shocked
@NyekonX
3 жыл бұрын
OMG I heard it and was like, I know this song but where is it from for like 10 minutes. It's fucking RO Prontera!! Aww I miss RO....
@joshemynsanchez
3 жыл бұрын
gotta love that theme, it is so nostalgic, love it
@LiveLNXgaming
3 жыл бұрын
was doing good avoiding them so far so I dident expect final monster spoilers in a basic tutorial video.
@sweatygamergainz870
3 жыл бұрын
My 9 year old son started playing monster hunter and he picked LBG. Gonna be learning LBG myself to help him
@JonathanGarcia-cc1eg
Жыл бұрын
that is literally the sweetest thing ive ever read in my life. Im sure you dont need me to tell you this, but good job man.
@dumaland5701
Жыл бұрын
That's so cool
@stormetro6046
3 жыл бұрын
My take on pierce is I immediately noticed that the higher pierce shots have the same tic rate but a slower travel velocity, thus effectively achieving more tics on the same target. The shot types do appear to have a varying maximum amount of possible tics as well.
@zxmac7320
3 жыл бұрын
They should really give back the crouching fire skill to hbg.. being stationary for massive dps is good
@MagnaZeo
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I really didn't like HBG in World because it was missing the "Heavy" feel for me. I was hoping charged shots would fill the crouching fire void for me, but oh well.
@Holesale00
3 жыл бұрын
@@MagnaZeo hbg since world has been lacking a it factor now there's barely anything differentiating it from the lbg the Crouching fire was THE feature that made the HBG cool and its own thing now it worked in world because there was some build diversity but right now its just really really limited.
@MagnaZeo
3 жыл бұрын
That's unfortunate, I had high hopes for charge shots since they give HBG the "heavy" feel that I was missing since they removed crouching fire. I am liking counter charger as a more active alternative to the shield play style, though I am put off a bit by the post-hit loading animation.
@jeanpitre5789
Жыл бұрын
I guess crouching fire was added in sunbreak because I'm using it now
@senorduck384
3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the Ragnarok Online Music in n the background.
@kartslulz7679
3 жыл бұрын
That last story monster spoiler, without a spoiler warning... My dude, not cool for those not done yet...
@cashnelson2306
3 жыл бұрын
lol
@kartslulz7679
3 жыл бұрын
@@cashnelson2306 I don't even ask what's so funny about my comment...
@starforger13
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine naming your video Bowgun BASICS and then showing off the final boss for about a third of it. Hope I remember to come back to this later, 'cause I will not be watching the rest of this vid due to spoilers.
@dragumkirisute1998
3 жыл бұрын
The game is super short. You'll get to her in like a day if you rush it. Unless you watch cutscenes for no reason when MH isnt meant for the story lol
@ShiroToraSama
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, that RO BGM hit me really hard out of nowhere. Where has the time gone? :(
@sgtwang
3 жыл бұрын
Right
@DaJayman654
3 жыл бұрын
What is RO?
@jeromeoneal
3 жыл бұрын
@@DaJayman654 Ragnarok Online
@BananaCreamRai
3 жыл бұрын
I miss playing that game
@GymLeaderGeo
3 жыл бұрын
Legit the most helpful, direct Bowgun guide on KZitem. Doesn’t mince around, tells users what they need. I’ve been looking for the kind of answers this guide has, and none of the other guides explain Or lay out the details anywhere near as well as this video does. Five stars!
@user-rn7wf7ry4s
3 жыл бұрын
the thought of HBG possibly not being the strongest weapon in the game horrifies me. meanwhile greatsword got its 30% sharpness boost back.
@eduardogaldamez8005
Жыл бұрын
the background music....amazing RO. Great video
@Xyonon
3 жыл бұрын
This is my first monster hunter game and I'm usually a spreadsheet user and theorycrafter too, so thanks a lot for all the detailed info, it is greatly appreciated. :) However I haven't finished the game yet and randomly got spoiled rather hard wih what looks to be the final boss... Better don't do that in the future. :(
@oomphhfreak
3 жыл бұрын
Kinda sad we didn't got siege mode for switch skills hbg... It would be much better than what we have now
@Ranzord95
3 жыл бұрын
not sure if we can expect it as a content update like monsters, so I guess our hopes go to the very likely expansion, and even then something tells me we aren't seeing that again until next generation
@oomphhfreak
3 жыл бұрын
we will see what they have in mind , but there could be maybe some different hbg playstyles not only siege one or maybe something you are more faster , but cant use certain ammo types like cluster or you more stationairy and you deal more dmg or something not ... this crap xD like look at lbg hop and then one shot does 10 % dmg ? uhm .... why not make this some kind of a buff ? like idk 10 seconds or so ? in higher level hunts i would understand it ,since you need to evade anyways etc
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
@@oomphhfreak yeah, I still love and miss my turret mode since world but I consider, with how everything was more and more focused on improved mobilty, especially monsters as well, I dont see capcom bringing back a mode that makes you literally a sitting duck unless they give it some significant upsides^^"
@oomphhfreak
3 жыл бұрын
@@MightyRathalos90 You might be right , but cluster is kinda like a sitting duck still x) in mhw atleast or you are in general a sitting duck against quick moving monsters. so i dont see much of a problem with it especially considering the fact , that they added wirebugs :D in rise :D
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
@@oomphhfreak true, cluster made you immobile but on some monsters it was barely usebale in MP because of how monsters moved and the reasopn it was broken for a while in world and not that much in iceborn especially in SP was rockstead + spam cluster into monsters belly XD but Im sure there are ways to get a somewhat siegemode back, then again, wyvernheart at least gives us something similar already
@marcoleung7253
3 жыл бұрын
Basically the first two lbg switch skills are just nerfs. Thanks capcom
@joewang403
3 жыл бұрын
Slot in a lvl1 deco, recoil down, get 5% damage boost for elemental ammo. Why is that bad?
@marcoleung7253
3 жыл бұрын
@@joewang403 you already need 5 slots for the elemental damage. You won't have slots to get fastest reload with low recoil if you're using elemental reload
@zensawa271
3 жыл бұрын
2 of my favorite games here. Content: obviously MH Background Music: Prontera theme, Ragnarok Online. Mannn the nostalgia
@Zultark
2 жыл бұрын
I was so happy to hear Prontera's music! Thx dude
@Skylerrelyks93
2 жыл бұрын
I have to say that fanning vault is actually extremely good. Sticking a wyvern blast on the monster does a lot of mounting damage. Put 3 on at once and switch to shrapnel ammo to knock or stagger the monster. Its also a great evasive maneuver when a monster is following you with consecutive attacks, allowing you to get behind it. Spread is also insane. Can hit 250+ at times per shot. I havent done a pierce build, but i can only imagine pierce being superior against monsters like ibushi, narwa, and probably rakna kodachi bc spread is not very good against it.
@benadrylthundercrotch7144
3 жыл бұрын
This is super useful, I've been having a really hard time wrapping my head around how I should prioritize my skills. Thanks!
@kentuckyzoo
3 жыл бұрын
In 14:25 how did you manage to max We, Pierce UP, reload speed, recoil down, and rapid fire up. And lvl 2 ammo up/aim booster?
@thomastam7338
3 жыл бұрын
not having attack up and using armours focusing on those skills, I think
@misterriv943
3 жыл бұрын
@@thomastam7338 He uses a hacked switch to test all this shit out, so prolly god talismans with perfect armor and decos
@aynonymos
3 жыл бұрын
Landmine stuck to the monster allows you to deal massive mounting damage, you can trigger the explosion multiple times by shooting at it, especially with rapid fire.
@SILVERF0X13
2 жыл бұрын
Ya, I'm pretty sure that's the main purpose of that move. So long as you can hit the landmine on them you can some pretty stupid amounts of damage from what I've seen.
@Ryden0389
2 жыл бұрын
The LGB Vault and slide allows you to blast down clusters in rapid fashion so super useful. Secondly vaulting and planting mines (if done well) can set you up for a very serious damage from the nothing personal attack. If you blast the mine with it it immediately ignites 3 charges. However the trick is the last charge. Id you hit mines on their last charge with nothing personal attack, it deals damage as if there were still 3 charges. So vault, place a mine, shoot it 3-4 times, then do nothing personal. You just got 1-2 extra mine charges out of your rotation on top of the sever effect it becomes really good for taking out tails. If you can manage this on 3 separate mines (requires the +1 wirebug to be efficient) and land them in a relatively close spot then hit them with Nothing personal for the last charge you just effectively added 2 extra mines to your damage burst. Typically I do this when the monster is stunned from para ammo or prep it while they sleep. The mines last long enough to pull this off even if you get hit a few times in the process (but with vault idk why you're getting hit) Is it the most meta way of doing things? Idk, and I doubt it. Is it flashy as fuck and able to be set up while a monster is aggravated, absolutely. This lets you play defensively and offensively at the same time so there's an argument for it at the very least.
@RikuoNura383
3 жыл бұрын
I use hbg because the shield and the silkbind counter seem like perfect match, but yeah they kinda subpar
@c.i.a3350
2 жыл бұрын
Oh that background music, so much nostalgia.
@07Tussin
3 жыл бұрын
was the spoiler necessary
@Sifanix
3 жыл бұрын
The ragnarok prontera theme is sending me
@MrWakaWakaa
2 жыл бұрын
That’s prontera music has me all giddy
@DragonStar-ox1zk
3 жыл бұрын
I honestly hope that in the first, or even second update, the bow guns get reworked a bit. I'm a gunner myself, but there's definitely some changes needed. I think pierce is a little strong, but instead of nerfing it, they should bring the other ammo types up to par to have some more diversity in builds. I think the switch skills for both HBG and LBG need to be changed or overhauled completely. And finally, I think that the HBG should be buffed. Like, substantially. As he pointed out in the video, there was only like a 9-10 damage difference between LBG and HBG, so why even bother using HBG. I just think there should be more diversity in builds cuz so far all I've seen about gunning in this game is "Use pierce, ignore literally everything else." And it sucks.
@Noltar
3 жыл бұрын
It feels just like Generations Ultimate. Pierce would make short work of anything, especially Adept Light Bowgun with pierce. Interestingly enough it was Silverwind Nargacuga’s LBG being used in GU.
@theoperator3712
3 жыл бұрын
Ammo is fine imo. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they didn't re-implement the raw shot bonus modifier that HBG and LBG had pre-world. If you put that back in HBG would dunk on LBG with raw shots. Simple fix to that balance problem.
@TheBaconBasket1
3 жыл бұрын
Lol I agree. Needed some Narwa parts quickly and just responded to join request for it and all 4 of us were running Narga crit and crit boost builds. It really made me chuckle because this has become the informal mandatory weapon to get the best clear times on this monster lol
@Blade40688
3 жыл бұрын
I'm lazy and just run the Ladybug HBG and Use all levels of Normal Pellet Pierce and Shrapnel, also Clust and Crag, It's great, I feed it whatever happens to be in my inventory and it gives me Gems and Plates in return
@danielmcconnell5991
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your hard work Phemeto
@dariru27
2 жыл бұрын
ragnarok tunes, good shit my friend
@grimreefer213
Жыл бұрын
Are there any monsters in base Rise where pierce ammo is effective against aside from Narwa? Bazelgeuse was the first monster that came to mind but it looks like they gutted his hitzones for shot type weapons, the wings are the only hitzone of 45 for shot damage.
@garethdv
3 жыл бұрын
That background music brings back memories. And the lag that comes with it. 😣
@KaiPerspective
3 жыл бұрын
Killing porings all day and hunting for gtb at 3am when the server is almost empty... Good old times
@Xerodude
3 жыл бұрын
Hours and hours and hours living at turtle Island... Good times.
@lunardian8082
3 жыл бұрын
"Normals will NEVER be Good." *Cries in TB Support in World/Iceborne.*
@paulvogel6401
3 жыл бұрын
The spread 3 build is literally the same build I made for myself. Tried telling people about it and they called it trash because it didn't have spare shot and ammo up, which are way less powerful in this game particularly for spread since you have such a large clip size and a super fast reload. Glad to see I'm not the only one with a fucking brain. People are trying to bring MHW's meta over to this game. Edit : Also it's worth mentioning that it's been tested that Rapid Fire Up and Spread/Normal/Pierce Up share the same numbers. 5/10/20. So it's ultra important to get those last levels unlike with World where the first level of the skill was most important.
@stormetro6046
3 жыл бұрын
Another thing to consider is that we have a hard time stacking tons of dps skills so far in Rise so you'd need a very bad clip size for ammo up to be worth much. There are so many other competitive skills to look at.
@arachbae4777
3 жыл бұрын
Are any of these charms I have good? I'm really bad at set building by myself. 1. rapid fire 1 Ammo up 2 2. Master Mounter 1 Normal/Rapid 2 level 3 slot and level 1 slot 3. Special Ammo Boost 2 level 1 slot 4. Steadiness 2 level 2 slot 5. Critical Eye 2 Quick sheath 1
@rileyherriman
3 жыл бұрын
Rapid fire up is worth keeping #1 , #5 is worth it too. could work that into a build.
@muliaaz3514
3 жыл бұрын
Wait, did u just used Prontera theme from ragnarok? lol
@Brubrukk
3 жыл бұрын
i have a feeling the dev team is going to be doing a lot of rebalancing
@fabianschultz
3 жыл бұрын
Don't think so. Maybe with a great expansion like iceborne. Monster hunter isn't exactly known to do balance patches. In world it only kinda was slicing ammo for whatever reason.
@sock7644
3 жыл бұрын
@@fabianschultz They can still rebalance the weapons around each other through the content updates. For example, the new meta LBG could have the clip sizes we're used to now while the new meta HBG gets huge clip size upgrades over the current norm. Both have better stats than what we have now, but one clearly gets a superior upgrade.
@lordjulian10
3 жыл бұрын
You didnt mention how the shield functions in this game for hbg!
@Gone999
3 жыл бұрын
Gg bro ty for putting the work in. Commenting and liking and sharing as usual
@bladechild2449
3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how one of the core gimmicks in the game is switch skills and the majority are just either junk or irrelevant because one within the pair clearly outshines the other. Literally the only skill pair in the game I can see arguments to use in different match ups is TCS/Adamant Charge
@BlondeMcGuinn
5 ай бұрын
8:33 How’d you wirefall with a bowgun? I can’t figure it out. With a melee weapon, on PS5, I do L2 + X to wirefall after being hit. I’ve tried R1 + X for the HBG (R1 is the wirebug trigger for gunners) and it doesn’t work. Great video! I learned a lot. Big Ups!
@HenshinFanatic
3 жыл бұрын
HBG Tackle acts as guard point when using shield mod. You'll probably need Guard and maybe Guard Up depending on taste if you go this route. Still ends up better than the butt-smash that you start with. Personally I'd go maybe Guard 3 and Guard Up 2/3 depending on whether you've got good enough charms.
@yarro7428
3 жыл бұрын
I really want a single-shot based HBG playstyle, but they dropped the HBG mod for wyvernsnipe, so now I'm sad.
@VinnietheCorgi
3 жыл бұрын
A spoiler warning would have been nice for the visuals used.
@psou96
3 жыл бұрын
@Phemeto That is not very cool to put clips of the last boss in a video explaining how to progresss through the game with lbg Other than that, thanks for the video
@Haimi-fv5xj
3 жыл бұрын
Dude, you put footage of what I presume is the final boss in a video that‘s supposed to inform players on the basis of the weapon. You kinda ruined that for me, and I only came here to check the motion values on slicing. Can somebody tell me the motion values on slicing? At least I won’t have been spoiled for absolutely no reason.
@kingbooty6969
3 жыл бұрын
Wow this is a really informative video, im gonna have to watch it a couple of times!
@Senbunsakura001
3 жыл бұрын
I miss Ragnorok Online. It had sych a great soundtrack
@bearic_o
3 жыл бұрын
That Prontera theme is making it too difficult for me to focus on your lesson, Sensei. 😅
@zaryck13
3 жыл бұрын
I think Capcom should add evade reload as a switch skill for LBG in one of the updates or the eventual dlc expansion.
@ChunniTensei
3 жыл бұрын
That thing was only for iceborne. I never seen it in GU or any other mh I've played. So, chances of Capcom added it in rise are low.
@mkv2718
3 жыл бұрын
as long as they don’t do what they did in iceborne and tailor certain ammo to force you to use it. personally, id rather they refine the skills we have to make them more useful, ie. make the dmg boost from the quick step last longer, make the side slide skill more controllable, make the dmg boost better for elemental reload/ don’t kill the reload speed that much. just disappointed all around with most of these...😕
@spicychile
3 жыл бұрын
I really wish they didn't nerf Spread. I was so looking forward to RF S2 on the Jyura LBG but the numbers were crap compared to when I can just pewpew from afar with RF P2. Great video!
@LordWallace
3 жыл бұрын
RIP HBG ]: and here I was all excited for Kadachi Pierce meta. Oh well at least it's still good at bombarding monsters with explosions, and the new tackle is genuinely badass. I guess Capcom was afraid HBG would be too strong with the new defensive options that they nerfed its MVs into the ground.
@heart3460
3 жыл бұрын
Normal was pretty meta with Lao Auto-Reload in FU.
@HappiestSadGuy
3 жыл бұрын
Wait, has HBG fallen off its throne?
@lasineid
3 жыл бұрын
shit dude Prontera theme man it hits right man
@maxxraptor4821
3 жыл бұрын
I played all the way up to end game with my buddy with hbg and it worked just fine for me. I guess im just in denial that my big gun is apparently no fun. im surprised though i was sure barioth hbg pierce 3 was best due to walk in shoot. Narc cant walk and shoot which i find is mandatory for me to like the gun. Also the fact the rampage bow guns are dookie makes me big sad
@lordfrz9339
3 жыл бұрын
I find HBG a lot funneer myself, even if its not the fastest. I feel badass dodging with the silkbind slide, and im still pretty safe with the counter and shield for the many times i fuck up. While last boss is fine with lbg since everything is a big wind up, i find on anything else Im just rag dolling around.
@leviatordelaney1167
3 жыл бұрын
So, was that a LR Tigrex you were demoing the shoulder tackle on, or what? You say that you'll get 1-2 shot as a gunner checking through attacks, then proceed to check a few in a row, and only go down maybe a 1/4th hp.
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
no, i stoped trying to correct that as I tested it when I got the skill when reading the ingame description stated the same. yes the training hall isnt the most reliable way to test numbers but it still helps. naked with a petalace that provided me 200 health it took 15 stomps to kill me. but tackling 15 of them my health is no where close to half even. same with mega barrel bombs. the third one already kills me (altho barely, let the red bar recover for a few seconds and i can survive it on a pixel) but if i detonate them with the tackle i can take 3 and have still a bit more than half health + can recover quite a bit still. The amount of guides, both for beginners and endgame that all keep saying "it provides no defense" is ridicolous, why is no one testing that to be true?
@epicpotofjam
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed you didnt mention shrapnel ammo, even in the stuff for next video. Is shrapnel just too bad to bother with or did you just forget to mention it in the desc?
@icemythic6076
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's only practical against groups of monsters so consider it a Rampage ammo type
@lordfrz9339
3 жыл бұрын
I use it all the time, great for breakin parts, and hitting. Multiple monsters. Probably not the best, but not everybody is a great player, works great for me who has slow reflexes.
@mrfish8676
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like shrapnel 1 rapid fire could be good, considering it hits about as many times as pierce and can be used alongside spread without too much trouble on your build
@mrfish8676
3 жыл бұрын
@Shasvin Puvanesvaran I haven’t used shrapnel 2 rapid fire yet since I swapped to normal before I got to that tier, but you may very well be right
@theoperator3712
3 жыл бұрын
Shrapnel is just Pellet from the older games. If you haven't played those, it was a very weak ammo type in comparison to Normal and Pierce. Unless something had a "pellet magnet", like Diablos' tail, you didn't use it. It just wasn't good against anything but groups of small monsters. It also had the unfortunate side effect of knocking teammates every which way in multiplayer. World reworked this into Spread, but that has a much tighter cone of fire and works somewhat differently. With all that in mind, Shrapnel isn't meant for hunting the larger stuff. If you want a shotgun ammo, use Spread.
@sahibmujabee1177
2 жыл бұрын
Why wex on pierce ? Isn't pierce only have like half of it that hits the weakspot unlike spread ?
@T3h_Phish
3 жыл бұрын
14:18 "you don't really need 3 ranks of each, check your bowgun table..." Yea Phem, check your Bowgun table. Night Owl doesn't need Reload up 3. The only thing that goes up with the third level of reload on that is Paralysis 2. I doubt anybody will be even bringing that ammo type to a hunt for a while. You can't currently buy it, para 1's are enough for one para proc a hunt and they take Catalysts to craft one at a time. Slap a flinch free in that 1 slot instead so you can safely put down mines in front of all your melee teammates attacking the monster.
@mrbastos
3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, in this you say Pierce is probably the go to ammo, but in the other video you mentioned Slice being really good (limited mainly by crafts). Which is generally better to use? I will probably end up making a set for each, but was curious as to your experience in what is easier to use and does better damage. I find myself using slice because Izuchi lbg has it rapid fire and then rapid fire pierce when I run out, but I'm trash so I'm still getting using to aiming and critical distance. I'm still only HR6 btw, so don't have nargacuga LBG finished yet for pierce.
@ssgcheddar5785
3 жыл бұрын
Great Video!
@madffx1986
3 жыл бұрын
You get a like before I watch anything.
@damianhenley112
3 жыл бұрын
Great and informative video, i had to cover the screen most of the time tho. Spoilers for the final boss (i think its the final). Would have been fine with literally any other monster being showcased
@Mikeferaz
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that aerial vault doesnt do the trick flip shot while shooting rapid shots bugs me a lot......
@danyaryanzah5124
3 жыл бұрын
Ahhh I miss Prontera
@ZeRedSpy
2 жыл бұрын
I think Pierce 3s move slower than Pierce 2s, so while they have the same tick rate the Pierce 3s take slightly longer to pass completely through the monster giving it that extra hit. At least, thats my explanation.
@dongledangler
2 жыл бұрын
May I ask what armor set your using in the vid? Thx!
@statesminds
3 жыл бұрын
Been playing with narga ( rf pierce 2) and barsarios lbg (sticky 2 and norm3). I used to use narga lbg in mhgu so back at it again lmao magnamalo good with spread3 sticky3. I noticed wex not that good for pierce. Gonna try zinogres lbg out for norm too
@hadoo1973
3 жыл бұрын
Am i missing something? Cause it seems like maybe you don't need max recoil and reload. I have one reload on the narga and im at fastest
@plastichouseplant
3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering the same thing. It doesn't need 3 points in recoil down to get it to low either.
@hadoo1973
3 жыл бұрын
@@plastichouseplant maybe he did it for other ammo
@pabben03
3 жыл бұрын
Does the Narga lbg need any steadiness? Also, how important is flinch free for lbg?
@mrpokkee
3 жыл бұрын
Why no spare shot?
@jemdhar4603
3 жыл бұрын
so, normal/spread/pierce up increasea dmg by exactly how much % on each rank? cozldnt find it on the web either
@mkv2718
3 жыл бұрын
the side step switch skill does seem to work with EVERY damage tick, so might actually be useful with rapid pierce, though i’m still in low rank, so i’ve only tried it with the first nargacuga gun. that being said, it seems like it still works out to about a 10% dmg increase, and you have to constantly dodge shoot so yeah, probably pointless. otherwise, i do think the distance of the lbg silkbind side slide needs to be reduced, cuz damn, does it fling you outta critical distance 90% of the time, even with pierce. so far, so annoying... sounds like that elemental reload might need to be retooled as well. Also, shouldn’t you have put shrapnel in this vid? they are effected by spread skills, and are considered basic ammo now too. seems to work ok on Goss Also, focus does work with HBG. cant really test it yet since i’m still in low rank and can only get two ranks and then no other useful gunner skill, but it would be nice to see how useful it is in endgame. certainly will be messing with it once i can. i’m kinda wondering if this might be key for heavy bowgun now, considering how much effort they put into adding that charge ability. you know, like all the other heavy weapons that have charge attacks, it might be a mandatory skill now. maybe it’s why it doesn’t feel right? sorry if im all over the place here, i dunno... just spit ballin🤷♂️.
@ryanjones1201
3 жыл бұрын
What did you use in the melder to get a pierce talisman its not on any of the tables and cant seem to get it to drop
@bboy458
3 жыл бұрын
Did I miss this? Rapid Up and Pierce Up are interchangeable for RF P2 and don't stack?
@smurphy55656
3 жыл бұрын
So as of rn LBG is just 100x better than HBG which seems kinda odd you'd think heavy bow gun would do more dmg since its well slower and can't rapid fire ammo lets hope it gets a buff then in the future
@LuisEdGm
3 жыл бұрын
I made the horrible mistake of wasting materials with the rampage LBG hoping to make my custom dream LBG, but it's trash How do I make it good?
@Ranzord95
3 жыл бұрын
the hbg switch skills and wirebug moves seem really interesting compared to lbg though
@Minizor27
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info!
@felipegsilva1
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks man
@yul_eo
3 жыл бұрын
So guys in your opinion which wyvernheart HBG is the best ? I've been usine Zinogre so far but its pretty limited ammo-wise... Any suggestion ?
@smexykins3065
3 жыл бұрын
Zinogre 100%. Idk what you mean about limited ammo though lol
@speedwagon7984
3 жыл бұрын
Blees for information 🙏
@quiquef691
3 жыл бұрын
what do you think about maximum might skill? I have found it pretty handy on Bowguns
@huachicol320
3 жыл бұрын
Im using it in my long range hbg pierce build and its super fun moving and evading with the wirebug silkbind Try fitting in just a point of evade extender just for emergency rolls
@GREATGAIWAIN
3 жыл бұрын
Ya, I tried to do a tigrex hunt with hbg and man, it was SO hard. HBG definitely gonna struggle in Rise. LBG is my main though so it's all good
@Zanbatoss
3 жыл бұрын
Even with shield with guard 5 almost everything high end monsters throw at you will be hard knockbacks. Rolls are laughably slow
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
so ok, looking at the video again for the set ideas, something I dont get, why recommend anjanath braces over rathalos for the spread set? they are used for the 2 attack, we dont benefit from slugger 2 in any form. the rathalos have a lvl2 slot so, while the set is recommended regardless of what chars you have so the base version can work for anyone regardless of rng, that lvl2 slot can stll be used for lvl1 gems and provideds more flexibility if one could use a lvl2 slot to work better with the charms they have. they also have 2 more defense (which is somewhat neglectable tho). so, am I missing something here?
@justsomejojo
3 жыл бұрын
For the added KO power of explosive ammo, I imagine. I do it myself, KO the monster first, then go to town on it with Spread 3 (or Wyvernheart, with my current setup)
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
@@justsomejojo well, my first build setup is naruga HBG with 100% affinity and focus+countercharge. so, far it hits quite hard to work well on monsters that dont pierce well. its quite fun and the tackle keeps me alive even on aggressive monsters (just hate the fact the tackle can cause stun on me, idk if the greatsword suffers form the same in rise, didnt play it yet but it did not have that problem on the tackle in world.)
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
@@justsomejojo oh I thought you replied to the other post. mhh well, possible that it makes sense for added ko to get an easier first knock out, who knows. Im was mainly looking for the set ideas to test is shrapnel can be fun with it as spread up is the same skill
@BIGMILKO
3 жыл бұрын
@@MightyRathalos90 I'd really like to see your build if you're not too busy. I'm also building for the narga HBG and I'm just deciding on what I want atm.
@MightyRathalos90
3 жыл бұрын
@@BIGMILKO well I assume because i posted a link in the comment youtube either blocked the response or Phemeto would need to review it (and i have no clue if he even cares about that, considering there could be hundreds ofcomments he would need to approve manually) I can PM you the short clips i just made showing the set otherwise its baleful night, Utushi hidden, anja, pukei, skalda, golden with a wex1- 2,1,- charm still need to farm bloodruns for 2 atk gems, not sure what to put into the 2 lvl1 deco slots tbh currently uses 1 charger , 2 absorber, 2 quickload. slice reload is already fastest along with any other shot aside from cluster being fast (and I doubt it gets to fastest with 1 more) and 3rd recoil doesnt bring slice from low to lowest anyway, 3rd recoil gem changes nothing. might go with steadfast because the HBG tackle while helping you survive alot can still cause you stun if you tackle to often.
@yanuarmustika5816
3 жыл бұрын
So HBG got nerfed pretty hard.
@christophheld7332
3 жыл бұрын
What about Shrapnel? The way I understand it it's basically a new raw ammo type too. Or am I missing something?
@paulvogel6401
3 жыл бұрын
It's not all that great for damage. It can be pretty useful in Rampages during a counter signal if there are a lot of monsters. Also all shrapnel ammos deal the same number of hits and damage, the higher tier ammos just have a wider range of influence.
@christophheld7332
3 жыл бұрын
@@paulvogel6401 didnt know that, thank you !
@dirodekres5132
3 жыл бұрын
So shrapnel is bad?
@MagiusNecros
3 жыл бұрын
Don't think it was ever mentioned. Too bad since Shrapnel is my favorite ammo type behind cluster for HBG.
@Sircedan
3 жыл бұрын
probably a kinda dumb question, but rapid fire up is a separate skill right? Didn't find it yet.
@psytap5719
3 жыл бұрын
yes rapid/normal up is just for normal ammo and rapids on bow, while rapid fire up is for rapid fire in general
@Nerdslayer0
2 жыл бұрын
I miss spread how strong spread hbg was in world :(
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