I don't mind when gay characters are effeminate and kinda stereotypical because some gay guys are like that in real life and that's absolutely fine, but it becomes a problem once they're a complete stereotype and have no agency outside of it.
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Exactly ‼
@nuclearseahorse
Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@mrfish.-
Жыл бұрын
I’m a fem gay and I definitely agree! Sis needs a bit more of a personality!
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
11 ай бұрын
Even though there are people like that, they still have interests.
@CoffeeaddictWriting
8 ай бұрын
Bowie from total drama island is a good example of a well-written effeminate gay character imo
@FunFilmFare
Жыл бұрын
Reboot version of Michael is just giving homophobes more excuses to hate him. He's OK but I agree he needs to be more than just a bunch of blatant gay stereotypes. Give him some serious scenes (like in the original) that would make him seem more like someone we'd meet in the real world, and not just a diversity token.
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Definitely ‼
@TimoteoDeBaum
Жыл бұрын
Yeah he needs more depth. Agreed
@BrightWulph
Жыл бұрын
That's my problem with Micheal, I don't care that he's gay, I care that he's just a bunch of gay stereotypes strung together with little to no depth just there to fulfil a quota.
@lehahiah81
Жыл бұрын
@@BrightWulphThat personality to me is annoying no matter the sexuality
@mediaguyking7045
Жыл бұрын
The homophobes would’ve hated him no matter what.
@negressprincess
Жыл бұрын
Even though he didn’t come out in the original he felt more realistic back in the day.
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
I agree. His personality in the original series didn't feel so forced
@KimberRose16
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree
@The_NonDescript
10 ай бұрын
It seemed more like they were focused on the fact that just because he was a guy, he could still like stuff not stereotypically liked by guys, and could still act "like a dude." He was his own man, breaking stereotypes all around. Unfortunately, in the 2020s, just because you don't follow the stereotypical "guy's guy" tropes, you absolutely have to a) be sexual- or gender-diverse and b) take stereotypes into the other extreme. Michael's a shallow shell of his former self in Louder and Prouder.
@SirFailsalot91
7 ай бұрын
Maya's dads feel more sincere a depiction of a gay couple than current Michael, it feels as though as soon as someone includes a gay guy in a story, it ends up being the stereotypical gay man from the 90's (think the Will & Grace levels of in-your-face hyper flamboyant and overtly feminine kind of character.) Although I'd be curious to see if Michael still has his sports talent from the original series, just to prove to his dad he's not a wimpy little sissy and can still be a star player on the basketball court - that'd be really interesting.
@Drm3221
6 ай бұрын
Yeah he didn’t come out in the original because he wasn’t gay 🤣 Generally effeminate but explicitly shown to be into girls
@tamooz6649
Жыл бұрын
As a gay guy myself, albiet not black, who was in theater, I can't express how annoying it is to be viewed as just the girl group's little accessory. Im not even that effeminate as a gay man compared to stereotypes but the fact that I was gay was the reason for the person I got setup with for Secret Santa just bc she wanted a "gay best friend". I think with times changing and being allowed to be more explicit on character's indentities, writers forgot who to add nuance to characters? Bc a character like Michael has so much potential, often times gay/queer children already have a bad home environment so school sort of becomes an escape but for your only friend group to keep you around because they see you as a cute little gay pet that will scream YASS and go shopping with you, they dont see you as a person :/. Thats the type of story I want explored with a character like Michael or Dijonay. Right now I just see a stereotype alone, you have people that act like Michael, but their only trait isnt being gay. Love ur work ❤
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this ‼
@BlueberryFundip
Жыл бұрын
Jesus loves you, repent
@juliemesser2053
Жыл бұрын
You are more than a stereotype.😊
@Melancholic_Elysium
Жыл бұрын
@@BlueberryFundip Repent? Your god doesn't need to repent for his evil doings under his own rules? Think for yourself and get out of that cult.
@aswespeak165
Жыл бұрын
@@BlueberryFundipStop it. This is not the time or place and you’re being extremely disrespectful and rude. Focus on yourself instead of others
@thefanwithoutaface8105
Жыл бұрын
Funny thing was he wasn't even technically gay in the original, sure he was flamboyant but that doesn't automatically make you gay and that honestly was more refreshing, dude acts less traditionally masculine but is still straight which is rare these days. However, here they basically made him such a gay stereotype it borders on parody.
@otaking3582
11 ай бұрын
These days it seems like media like to push the idea of "not being overly masculine means you're gay and/or trans". Just look at High Guardian Spice and Guilty Gear.
@dr3dg352
11 ай бұрын
I especially appreciate original Michael given the era of the first Proud Family series. He was like a Prince in a world of 50 Cents.
@Indie973
11 ай бұрын
@@dr3dg352maybe he’s just drag straight
@dr3dg352
11 ай бұрын
@@Indie973 Could be! In any case I like how he defied the hypermasculine expectations set by the hip-hop community of the '00s.
@dazzlingdexter5060
10 ай бұрын
I agree, these are not the same character. When I watched reboot I was trying figure out who this character is but like Micheal in the old show is just a goofy kid. They have more character in the old show vs the new one.
@Dragonkid1801
Жыл бұрын
I don't mind the redesign, but I think it should've been a gradual change. I didn't realize that was Michael until I was told he was Michael and that's not good in a reboot. Maybe have a minor subplot of him branching out his own style despite his dad's wishes
@dali-dog
11 ай бұрын
Oh that’s a good idea, I wish they went that route, it could have been really fun! And it would also give him more agency as his own character with his own thing going on, letting him do things apart from just being an accessory for the main friend group.
@one-onessadhalf3393
11 ай бұрын
That is actually a really good idea
@cancelledavac
11 ай бұрын
Once again, commentors having better ideas than actual script writers. Maybe they need a new writing team lmao
@KiwiLuvsPieOfficial
11 ай бұрын
Exactly. “He found himself and stopped allowing his dad to control him” then show that IN the actual show itself? Lol 😭 All this behind the scene talk doesn’t make up for rushed character changes.
@Acorn905
4 ай бұрын
Yeah :D He could of been afraid of expressing himself but grown into himself and have his friends let him know that it's ok to dress feminine or androgynous and that he can still like sports and all of the other things he likes. I've haven't seen either versions of the shows but from the clips I see, I agree that he seemed to have more to him in the old cartoon and now he seems just more simple
@Kilvieo
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I don't like Michael in the reboot. He uses Penny to get himself out of something even a little inconvenient and completely throws her under the bus when things go wrong. Michael isn't a good friend, he's just the least toxic friend out of the entire group.
@eatatjoes6751
Жыл бұрын
Like pickin' the least hot pepper out of all of 'em.
@forkalamari6093
11 ай бұрын
@@eatatjoes6751he’s the habanero to their Carolina reaper
@eatatjoes6751
10 ай бұрын
@@forkalamari6093 Yep.
@YourAverageNormalHumanBeing
16 күн бұрын
Which episode was that in?
@Gojiraon
Жыл бұрын
Micheal collins being gay was fine. I couldn’t care less but in the original he was honestly much better. He was arguably a better friend to penny in the OG and wasn’t a blatant walking gay “Yasss queen slayyy” stereotype- like before he had much more to him. Now he’s just The Gay Friend™️
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Right‼The personality they gave him seems so forced
@moist_onions
4 ай бұрын
They just wanted to make a rupaul insert
@CassidyxEvans
Ай бұрын
I think Michaels personality is not that unrealistic I mean my childhood bestie basically acts just like him. So people in real life can act like that tooa
@maybe8985
Жыл бұрын
I need an episode where Michael talks with his father, with a good or bad ending, we need something about it~
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Definitely ‼
@amazingspiderlad
Жыл бұрын
Nah, he's already stereotypical enough. This show could redeem itself at least a little if it gave the gay kid a storyline that wasn't the same as every other gay side character.
@tsukitanuki101
Жыл бұрын
What is up with people loving truama from lgbtq characters. Not all gays need a storyline where they are shunned by homophobes. Sure, hes a stereotypical gay. But id rather have a stereotypical gay then a crying because i got kicked out by my dad but my mom/grandma took me in and they love me.
@amazingspiderlad
Жыл бұрын
@@tsukitanuki101 THANK YOU!! I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS SHIT FOR YEARS
@tsukitanuki101
Жыл бұрын
@@amazingspiderlad Ofc! It happens with every minority group. People love to see strugglers struggle. I’m tired of it
@MannysMillennialMouth
Жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with the criticism that they need to add more depth to his character. Instead of dedicating an entire episode about Maya having 2 fathers, they could've used that as an opportunity to expand Michael's role.
@NeyamStar
6 ай бұрын
True
@golden10ful
Жыл бұрын
"Who cares we won" we need more people with attitudes like that
@OriginalJohnnyCage
Жыл бұрын
Or people who don't call people slurs and names because they different 🤨
@golden10ful
Жыл бұрын
@@OriginalJohnnyCage I agree, I'm just saying in general if you can see how you are growing and winning regardless of the hate you'll do better than someone who doesn't see themselves winning ever. Besides that version of the character wasn't a openly LGBT type of character, so he has more of a regular type of bullying
@kamilululu2515
11 ай бұрын
@@golden10ful I mean, I get it but I don't think this by itself is a good message for kids. Like, sure, we shouldn't care buuut... Kids who are bullies could see something with this message and be like "we can say whatever we want, it's them who shouldn't care". While I am all for it, kids can easily interpret it in a wrong way. Like, let's not forget, not only victims watch cartoons. What I see in this statement, after months in therapy, is what I felt - repressed pain and acceptance for the world that hates you for who you are. What we need to heal is the realization that yeah, our feelings do matter, even if the world wants to convince us they don't. We shouldn't attack everyone who says that to us, we shouldn't close ourselves in a bubble of hatred but shit, we shouldn't ignore that either. And while the statement is super positive, it's great that we remember that what bullies say doesn't ultimately matter, children need something more clear. I propose "Who cares, we won!" but more like "Yeah, it hurts a lot. But we won and I won't let them take that away from me." While adults can read all of that in this short statement, kids can have a lot of trouble with that, especially the bullies. I haven't watched that episode - I'm just expanding on your comment.
@Thot_Patrol_USA
11 ай бұрын
@@kamilululu2515did you watch the episode yet bc there’s a part in it relating to that quote you have to see
@kamilululu2515
11 ай бұрын
@@Thot_Patrol_USA I said I didn't, I just expanded on the comment
@jmcg9822
10 ай бұрын
He was a character, then they turned him into a caricature.
@NeyamStar
6 ай бұрын
Yea modern day cartoons/shows butcher their predecessors (I wish they would make new stuff instead of milking old stuff and making it worse)
@GiftedSince92GiftedSince92
Жыл бұрын
Great video bro! I always liked Michael's character. He's not a "gay boy" but a human being. I feel that society label LGBTQA people within the community as one representation. His personality is energetic, intellectual, and cool. He's not about drama. Yeah.......the original series he always had a pleasant demeanor. But getting bullied and portrayed as a "sissy" is the harsh reality. I witnessed a classmate of mine getting bullied on a daily basis. That was in middle school. We sit on the bus and talked. This kid in our class would just......pick on him. He literally would brush it off. That is a dangerous mentality people have. I pretty much believe in the art of self defense. Michael outshined ignorant a**holes by being great at basketball. His flamboyant personality didn't keep him from stuntin' on the naysayers. Talent speaks for itself regardless. I like Michael's new look in the reboot series. He's edgier. But.....those repetitive LGBTQA slang language is too much. He has MORE versatility. The stereotypes are obvious. We need MORE healthy LGBTQA representation. I liked his tomboy style in the original series as well. I feel all these years went by with this new reboot and the creators just threw things together like a microwavable unseasoned meal. I enjoyed this video. Keep up the amazing work!!!
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Well said ‼
@GiftedSince92GiftedSince92
Жыл бұрын
@@TonyTurner 💯
@jadacampbell9331
Жыл бұрын
The only reason why they dressed like the old one was because having an old school football coach for a father influenced a more muted style. Michael couldn't lean into full expression back then. Plus, this kid is an athlete. Maybe a trash at football, but is awesome at basketball 🏀. Michael's style is also versatile. Not saying the reboot is perfect, but...
@cancelledavac
11 ай бұрын
Lgbt slang language or AAVE? People usually tend to mix those two up
@yohann3825
11 ай бұрын
@@cancelledavac it’s AAVE I was gonna comment on that. I’m so tired of AAVE being referred to as Gen Z or even LGBTQIA+ slang 😭
@kaiumeda6341
Жыл бұрын
I love Michael, but I feel like he’s not given enough character
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
He's really not. They have him there for witty/sassy one liners and makeup, dance and fashion advice.
@taylorsmith9418
Жыл бұрын
@@TonyTurnerthanks Tony love ya if it was for tony❤
@downbeatdialga1341
11 ай бұрын
I’m a queer man of color myself, and I was adopted by a white family from birth. I didn’t grow up with the Proud Family show, but even from these few clips you shared, I do wish and hope that we get to see more of Michael prior to the reboot. To go all out and turn Michael’s character into just gay stereotypes is like 2 steps forward, and then falling back down a whole flight imo. Yes, there are some queer people who’re flamboyant, and that’s one thing. However, it’s changing an entirely more fleshed out character into JUST that one thing, and simply for comedy that’s…idk, off-putting? It’s a choice that I can’t help but criticize. If you wanted that stereotype, make it someone Michael’s dating, not Michael himself y’know? Idk, is that mean? 😮
@kyaos_Meteor
Жыл бұрын
The biggest indicator for me (in the og especially) that he was gay was whenever he would go with penny up to her room, Oscar (you know the same Oscar who would give a death glare to any guy who ever tried something with his precious baby) didn't bat an eye like he knew something and it was only a matter of time i just wish we could've gotten more i like how he's out and proud full of confidence but that's it.....also wild to me how he went from sticking with penny to throwing her aside?? like am i reaching or did a reverse uno happened??
@angietoonz6605
11 ай бұрын
wow i never thought about that! That's crazy, i gotta look out for it when i'm rewatching.
@Artryom
8 ай бұрын
Eh, that could be an indicator but dads always have that one guy their daughter brings home or around they approve of eventually, it’s not confirmation that he was or that Oscar was paying attention to this kid. Oscar’s that kind of dad who would assume it because he doesn’t align with his idea of “guy act” which is… oof.
@NeyamStar
6 ай бұрын
Eh
@Drm3221
6 ай бұрын
That was more supposed to be a joke on Oscar not considering him to be a “guy” guy because of his personality. And mind you this was at a time when personality and sexuality could be two different things 🤣
@RedTime101
Жыл бұрын
I'm a queer youth myself, I am not gay or black, but I have seen and even experienced to some of the "you're not a person, you're the queer friend." They're treating Micheal like RuPaul's drag persona… these personalities do exist, especially in drag, but it's not who the drag queen is from themsleves, it is their drag persona which is all performance based. They made him act that how stereotypical drag queen will act onstage for a massive performance that mocks the stereotype of gay men… but he's not mocking it and he's not putting on a show or performance. They just made him a stereotype. Now, I personally don't have a problem with how he looks, I went to school with boys who did dress like that. I have an issue with how he's written.
@ImDudeRandom90
11 ай бұрын
Ironically, Total Drama had a much better effeminate gay black man in Bowie earlier this year, because he wasn't just stereotypical. He was more than just a gay man, he was scheming, emotionally intelligent, competitive, and an all-around likeable character. He wasn't just the token gay or token black.
@eromicafrancisco5477
Жыл бұрын
He is rude and his flamboyantness just seems like it's use as a pass to be rude
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
That's something I see in real life too
@eromicafrancisco5477
Жыл бұрын
@TonyTurner it isn't okay. You don't get a pass for being rude just because you're gay. I wish they touch on that subject. Like, cool, your flamboyant, that's fine, your gay that's fine too. We accept that, but your attitude we don't because it's disgusting, not your preference.
@tvgamerstan6180
11 ай бұрын
He comes off as a mean gay. I used to get picked on for my physical appearance by them when I used to use Instagram back in 2015-2018. I think what a lot of people don't talk about his how toxic the gay community is. They're ruthless if they don't find you attractive lol. Not even just that, but they love judging you for every little thing.
@makairieves9039
Жыл бұрын
Not only is he gay man, he’s a black gay man, and from experience, it can be a totally different battle. It would be interesting if they focused on that more, but instead Disney use him to say they’re inclusive🙄
@tsukitanuki101
Жыл бұрын
Your right! Homophobia in the black community is so much more respected and i cant think of the word but its normalized. Its seen as okay. They could do sumn w that
@NeyamStar
6 ай бұрын
@@tsukitanuki101 tolerated?
@tsukitanuki101
6 ай бұрын
@@NeyamStar I was thinking more like, approved of. It’s a big joke to be mean to gay black men in the black community.
@Bluecupcake_funko7
4 ай бұрын
If your above 21 then you might wanna listen to bubba the monster hunter audiobooks on Audible, they have a black gay man who deals with issues of that in a speaking past way in some books.
@chronicles6065
11 ай бұрын
I think it was always implied that Michael was the queer gay black man who exhibited feminine qualities, but thinking back I actually prefered the original because they had the gay stereotypes, but I feel like his character had more depth in terms of showing his flamboyance, feminine nature, and showing him playing basketball, which was suppoed to hone in on gay men being multifaceted people they can feminine and masculine because a lot of times we see them stereotype gay men as just a version of woman insgead of understanding that gay men are men who reject the conventionality of what society think a man should be. I really want disney to hire more queer writers, more experts on colorism, etc because they be dropoing the ball on these episodes.
@truthfuln00dle
7 ай бұрын
i believe disney shouldnt hire on the basis of the writer being flat out queer, but on the basis of a queer writer *who knows how to write.* because a decent amount of companies/underground animated films can have queer writers but that serves no purpose if they were hired just for diversity’s sake. not a queer writer but a writer, that *is queer* get what im saying? 😅
@NeyamStar
6 ай бұрын
Yea
@InternetMouse
6 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree with everything you said here, maybe less on the q words ( Still doesn't sit right with me here).
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
Жыл бұрын
Michael in the original series was lovable, sympathetic, very funny, and was a great balance in the friend group. He wasn't your stereotypical version of masculinity and had an interesting struggle of wanting to appear tough for his father but at the same time couldn't because he had other interests like dance and choreography. He actually felt like a real person. Michael in the revival is just a walking gay stereotype. He has no layers. Like Maya he's an absolute asshole and is rude to everyone. And above all, he barely gets to do anything other than just stand there. He feels like a decoration and that's NEVER how he was in the original series. And we're just introduced to him like he was like this the whole time. It's one thing to be flamboyant and another to be a jerk. I have gay friends who are very comfortable in their being flamboyant and those kinds of people do exist. But with Michael it's either he's flamboyant or he's a jerk to everyone around him like Maya. I don't really mind if you commit to Michael being gay but at the same time, what was interesting about Michael before was that he was more than just the stereotypical boy and that it was okay if boys liked things outside of sports, games and all of that. If you wanted to make him gay, fine. But you need to do what What We Do in the Shadows did and create a character first. Guillermo never at any point is only just his Latino or gay self. He exists. He's a person. Michael in this show is not allowed to be one outside his new sexuality. He's not even given an episode to come to terms with it. We just have to accept it. Just another character completely ruined in the revival.
@aichan95
11 ай бұрын
I agree 100%!
@one-onessadhalf3393
11 ай бұрын
I kind of agree with you, but at the same time, there are very few characters in the show who aren’t assholes to literally everyone. Like, Zoey and Penny are pretty much the only people in the main groups who aren’t total jerks, and even then they can have their moments. Most of the adults in the show are really mean as well.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
11 ай бұрын
@@one-onessadhalf3393 I get what you're saying. There are a lot of mean people in this show and they can be very annoying. But my point is not that Michael is an asshole. My point is that that's one of the few things he's allowed to be. In the original show, yeah he had his moments, but overall, he was a solid friend and he had more layers than just the stereotypical asshole gay best friend.
@one-onessadhalf3393
11 ай бұрын
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Yeah, that’s true. I feel like a lot of characters in the reboot have lost a lot of the character that they had in the first show, and that’s kinda sad
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
11 ай бұрын
@@one-onessadhalf3393 Like some of them still have that same charm but I think that's mainly due to the voice actors' performance more than anything. Oscar's voice actor is always great. Penny's is always enjoyable and lovable. DiJonay's line delivery always makes me laugh.I just wish the writing could back it up. Sometimes you have moments where you enjoy the characters but I hate when I'm enjoying myself and then Michael or Maya come in and ruin it.
@KiwiLuvsPieOfficial
11 ай бұрын
As a gay teenager that literally watched the reboot when I was 14, the age of the characters, I do not like Michael. No, not because he’s feminine there’s no problem with that. My problem is how he is LITERALLY JUST A BUNCH OF STEREOTYPES 😭 He isn’t Michael at all! I LOVE old Michael, he has a flamboyant personality and soft cute-casual style. New Michael is just a big slap in the face. They saw a gay coded character with personality and flushed him into a stereotypical gay character. The writers got a lot wrong in the reboot, I wish that they did better, idk. It feels like they’re tryna pander to us or be like “Hey look we support the lgbtq we’re sooo inclusive” like no this just isn’t it.
@Apple_Bapple
11 ай бұрын
proud family the only show i can think of that is outwardly and vocally against stereotyping and then proceeds to stereotype ppl...
@Apple_Bapple
11 ай бұрын
then again, i'm white *and* need glasses to see so i guess that'd make me sound pretty dumb from the perspective of this show. anyhow, as someone in the lgbtq+ community, i don't really agree with the way they chose to portray him.
@DivineFleming
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I hate when parents do that because every kid ain’t straight. I wish parent would stop acting like teens don’t date and have sexual preferences. If Michael was straight they wouldn’t care about no kids watching it they act like there’s no such thing as gay kids. They deserve representation. Why is it we can be str8 our whole lives but can’t be gay our whole lives. If I like girls at 10 nobody says it’s a phase and I’m confused even though I’m still growing and don’t know myself but let me gay I CANT POSSIBLY BE SURE until I’m at least past 21 and that’s ridiculous and ignorant
@dr3dg352
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely. This is why I absolutely hate the "thEy'Re coNFuSing ChiLdReN" narrative. One of my best friends was already crushing on the bad guy from Blade Runner by the time he was 8 or 9. 😆 No media boogiemen made him this way.
@one-onessadhalf3393
11 ай бұрын
No, if he was straight they would still hate him because he’s a flamboyant and gender non-conforming boy.
@isitleeyourelookingfor6352
6 ай бұрын
The change in his appearance does bother me. Idk, it's a good design, and it's not the fact he's more feminine that bothers me, but I feel like there's a huge pressure for LGBT+ people to be as conventionally attractive, fashionable, and put together (and skinny) as possible. It feels like only attractive gay people are accepted, because at least they have their looks to offer, so changing a character in that way sort of adds onto that pressure for me. It wouldn't bug me if he was a new character, and that was his design from the start, though...
@Homodemon
4 ай бұрын
This!! Is so shitty that like, queer people can't exist in media without the push of them HAVING to be as conventionally attractive as possible and that the attractiveness and aesthetics is being used to humanize them way more than, you know, their personalities their merits, their stories, their voices! It feels so patronizing like "See? This queer here is pretty cute, now, how could you hate them? We shouldn't hate beautiful people!" Michael right now is literally paper thin. Besides an appealing design he's nothing, he brings nothing to the table that compells anyone to like him beyond the superficiality of being the sassy gay friend that is unwarrantly rude to women.
@LunamFlore
11 ай бұрын
It's sad to see how Michael has been changed. In the original series he was a ray of sunshine, very sweet and cheerful and always striving to make his dad proud even if he was only allowed to call him Coach in public. I'd have loved to see a Michael in the reboot who had grown stronger about standing up for himself and more confident with others, while still retaining that kindness and spark he had in the original PF. Here it's like he couldn't embrace his identity without embracing the stereotypes that come with it and losing the little bit of uniqueness that was once a part of his character and personality. I haven't watched very many episodes yet, but have there even been any plots exploring his relationship with his dad?
@CalebR-zd5ql
5 ай бұрын
Why do you have an issue with gay men being flamboyant or stereotypical? You might have toxic masculinity
@Vasileva85
6 ай бұрын
I don’t mind the redesign, it’s the personality that really bothers me. They took a character that was so sweet and friendly despite the bullying/remarks and kind of turned him into a catty asshole
@spidermanfangirl91
6 ай бұрын
In the original Michael felt like a character In the reboot he feels like a stereotype
@TonyTurner
6 ай бұрын
Definitely ‼
@ryleeburton
Жыл бұрын
Wait he’s in the friend group but we still haven’t seen his life at home, or himself not with penny group. It take to wait for 3 season. Love this video and the dissection of the reboot and the reason why people can feel uneasy about tween/teenager are to today and how media portray them
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
True ‼
@InternetMouse
6 ай бұрын
Is it just me or does this style scream stereotypical, even the mannerisms, No good gay person acts in those over exaggerating mannerisms, even flamboyant gays are not that stereotypical, idk. That's just my two cents as a bi guy here. Someone correct me if im wrong. ALSO awesome video mate ❤ 🐀
@TonyTurner
5 ай бұрын
Thank You ‼
@ekinstonwalker9736
Жыл бұрын
Writers like these need to stop using hammers. These traits do exist but they need to come off more natural. Someone needs to teach them to use more subtle tools.
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Right so it doesn't come across forced and over the top
@GreayWorks
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see more people talking about this, cause you don't see as much talk about queer men in media, especially in this field.
@robinthrush9672
8 ай бұрын
Wow, they really made him like those Queer Eye for the Straight Guy stereotypes. He's nothing like any of the gay guys I know and two of them run a boutique together.
@sarahthomas8670
6 ай бұрын
I agree
@bizzyb912
Жыл бұрын
I think it would’ve been more interesting to see Michael more as the old version but out as gay instead of alluding to it. It would show that not all gay males are over the top flamboyant, as black gay males are often portrayed.
@thefanwithoutaface8105
Жыл бұрын
Frankly it would've been better if everyone assumed Micheal was gay, only for him to come out and say "Hey, just cause I act a certain way, doesn't mean I'm gay. You guys shouldn't be so quick to assume something about someone." I mean seriously how much better would it have been if Micheal reveals he's actually straight and was getting sick of everyone just assuming he was gay cause he acted differently from other guys. That could've made for a nice teachable lesson, namely don't assume you know something about someone without asking them.
@ravenfrancis1476
10 ай бұрын
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 But that would be removing possible LGBT+ representation. Like, it is not some progressive diversity win to have a character gay people see themselves in explicitly denying their gayness and affirming their heterosexuality.
@dazzlingdexter5060
10 ай бұрын
@ravenfrancis1476 I mean they could have added another gay character that is like the new Micheal or just keep Micheal personality the same at least.
@ravenfrancis1476
9 ай бұрын
@@dazzlingdexter5060 Literally nothing about Michael's character has changed. In the original series his only personality trait was being super gendernonconforming and feminine tot he annoyance of the other more traditionally minded characters. Usually he was the butt of homophobic and/or misogynistic jokes where the punchline is his existence.
@dazzlingdexter5060
9 ай бұрын
@@ravenfrancis1476 His personality is he was that goofy kid that would show up to help with stuff and played Basketball. I literally had no idea who Micheal was in this new series because he was so different fron the old character I would not have guessed if not for this video explaining who it was. I also had not watched this show in a very long time but these are two very different characters, though honestly he was more a side character in the original. Being a goofy kid who likes who dance and has a the basketball coach as your dad is different than Flamboyant stylish Sass though. Niether version is a bad character, its just two completely different versions of the character.
@TheShockVox
11 ай бұрын
Kinda feels more like a step back making him so blatantly gay. Having him be gay is fine, but I always hated the idea that our interests and demeanor determines who we are sexually. Shoutouts to Persona 4’s Kanji and his storyline for touching on that. Plus, real talk, Phil Lamarr is one of the voice acting GOATs, so losing him in the role didn’t help either.
@atomic747
Жыл бұрын
I like original michael goofy playful attitude more. Yeah, he's fine in the reboot. But It's the usual attitude you see in other shows when people don't know how to write or don't know what to do with their gay characters.
@Awesomeguy6381
5 ай бұрын
As a homosexual, I think the very stereotypical gay is annoying, I would rather see more of the original Michael
@toxiccrybaby
Жыл бұрын
I like Micheal’s new design, I think it’s visually appealing. I don’t hate his personality either, I’m fond of flamboyant gays, as long as their not just a stereotype. Hell, I’m a trans and gay stereotype myself! But I do think Micheal here in the reboot is, a bit too flat? As in, he needs more character depth. I wanna see his home life, I wanna see more about his thoughts and feelings outside of just, being the fashion and “okay boo” character, if that makes sense. Especially since we don’t get nearly as many queer boys in kids shows as queer girls. I think the creators are in a decent spot here, they can choose to flesh out some of these stereotype characters, in a way that elevates them from stereotypes into something else entirely, their own fleshed out characters. We all gotta start somewhere, hell I started out with stereotype characters too. But it’s about elevating them past that, listening to criticism and working on the characters until they’re their own people. This feels a bit rambly so I’ll end this here.
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Perfectly said ‼
@one-onessadhalf3393
11 ай бұрын
Exactly. It feels like there are very few characters in the reboot who actually get solid development, and that’s a huge problem
@Scarlettt343
8 ай бұрын
I love the color palette in his design, very nice to look at
@obyaguudemba3179
6 ай бұрын
Being flamboyant doesn't mean Ur gay they just changed him and made him gay plus he is a stereotype
@wallflowerwithoutperks
6 ай бұрын
As a lesbian who tends to be in friend groups of straight girls, it feels like we're just seen as little accessories in media as sort of a "we're not homophobic, see, they're gay". When really, the extent of my queerness in straight circles is me wearing a lesbian flag pin, and mentioning having a gf. The Owl House did this so well tbh. I just kinda wish other writers took that lead instead of having us constantly acting like stereotypes, we're *gasp* more than just who we love. I'm actually thinking of writing a short story where the queer people are all fleshed out and there's a token straight who acts like every het stereotype ever
@comradedyatlov4143
6 ай бұрын
Right! Owl House really portrayed an adorable and realistic queer leading couple
@wallflowerwithoutperks
6 ай бұрын
@@comradedyatlov4143 The Owl House was amazing with their representation, and I think it was partially bc Dana Terrace is queer
@jonelrobinson582
5 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@OfficialToxicCat
6 ай бұрын
Having her dressed as pochahontas is weird cause I’m pretty sure the audience that this show caters to don’t like the pochahantas movie cause pochahantas was someone who was abducted from her home by white settlers. And the fact that Disney tried to make it a white savior romance.
@madmouse1016
11 ай бұрын
I never watched the Proud Family, but when the reboot came out I watched videos talking about it. Never once did anyone show what Michael looked in the original so I never knew until now and honestly- I prefer his original look and attitude. I liked his voice better too, like it was so subtle, but also sounded a bit bubbly to me and I love that for a character. They don't have to look outright gay, they can be just a normal person because that's how gays should be treated- like normal people
@CryWolf-sm9iw
5 ай бұрын
The reboot seems to come off like the writers get their ideas from Twitter and Reddit. No wonder it’s a failure especially when you compare it to the classic original.
@phlarbus7821
5 ай бұрын
I’m not a gay man but I am queer and I’m really tired of media portraying gay men as super feminine twinks. Back in the day, he felt more realistic and more human. I met plenty of gay guys who were exactly like Micheal before the reboot.
@Homodemon
4 ай бұрын
Not to mention misogynistic, the part of that "flamboyant gay sass" is just calling women uggos and looking down at them constantly and insulting them. Is such a shitty thing to portray all gay cis men as subtle woman haters, or the implications that they're competing with women over the men thus, they're extra mean.
@phlarbus7821
4 ай бұрын
@@Homodemon I totally understand what you mean. Misogynistic gay men are sooo overlooked simply because they aren’t seen as a “threat” towards women but their little jabs and insults just screams sexism. I also think it’s crazy that they have the audacity to be misogynistic towards women all awhile wearing long nails, fake lashes, makeup, and women’s clothes. The call is coming from inside the house
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
8 ай бұрын
This is tangential to Michael, but I found it beyond ridiculous how everyone in the school and Penny's dad made a big fuss over Zoey having gay parents when they were all perfectly fine with Micheal. It made the whole conflict feel unrealistic and contrived.
@victoriabell9546
4 ай бұрын
It wasn't Zoey that had gay parents. It was Maya who had gay parents.
@Pichu1232
Жыл бұрын
I don't mind the making Michael gay but what I do mine is giving him the stereotypical all fashion flamboyant gay attitude. Hopefully the writers now you can be gay AND masculine
@KirbyEatsCake123
8 ай бұрын
Finally someone says it!!!
@CalebR-zd5ql
5 ай бұрын
@@KirbyEatsCake123plenty of gay men are flamboyant and feminine. Can you admit that you don’t like it when gay men are flamboyant and feminine?
@lildinosaur8856
11 ай бұрын
But *WHY* does every girl group nowadays need a gay guy like I find it just so infuriating there was no reason to add him to the main cast... 😅 Like especially I’ve noticed with shows for black girls there is always a gay guy no other race has to deal with that just just us ... I hope they forget about him.. can we focus on the girls that shows about .... Why can’t we have a show just for us that just has us in it like why does every show with black characters have to become a show for everybody and “all the minorities” 😅 Like I can’t even a single show that’s like just black kids where there isn’t a gay character but I can take a plenty of Asian and white shows where there are none....
@davidperkins7782
Жыл бұрын
1. If you're shocked that Michael is gay, you have either not been paying attention or have never seen the show. 2. Personally, the only thing I have against his character is the I think, if the creators would have the freedom, we'll be seeing an episode where Michael is into a dude who's straight, and his gal pals are gonna are gonna the poor guy homo/transphobic. I mean, he threw himself at Noah just like they did. Other than that, IDC.
@davidperkins7782
Жыл бұрын
They at least didn't make him as mean and smug as make up boy. So there's that.
@Saltedroastedcaramel
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Michael was straight in the original show and was just feminine guy. He was just an easier target to be retconned or revised as gay.
@projectz358
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he was a femboy, but we all know nowadays act a little different = gay or trans.
@bobtheball5384
Жыл бұрын
@@projectz358 that's not how it works but aight
@projectz358
Жыл бұрын
@@bobtheball5384 in an extreme setting there's a good chance what I said is possible
@TheSAMCRAW
11 ай бұрын
Its very strange when people think seeing a gay character will teach their children to be gay, i mean i grew up watching Trudy and Oscar married and in love and i still ended up with a guy lol. I personally like his new look and i love the confidence they gave him to unapologetically be. My problem is Michael is Sassy, the end. He doesnt read as caring, compassionate, angry, Depressed or hopeful just... sassy.
@Mavuika_Gyaru
11 ай бұрын
You must be a printer because all you spit are FACTS
@Artryom
8 ай бұрын
There’s a word called influence. Kids are impressionable.
@totallytorivideos
8 ай бұрын
@@Artryom watching gay tv characters doesn’t make you gay.
@Artryom
8 ай бұрын
@@totallytorivideos When did I say that it does? A decent bit of reading comprehension to compliment the ability goes a long way. There's validity in the fear of such from a thing called being inpressionable, which children very are so if a program is constantly throwing out the message that it's cool and perfectly normal then it's likely they will believe so. Essentially, it could turn them. That said, those parents who don't take extra precautions to shape their child shouldn't complain since your child can be swayed by most of anything. If a TV program doesn't get them, another kid at school or a message they find in something else likely will... Meaning those parents wasted their time and decades of protesting since TV isn't the only thing. It's pointless to try to stop it, best thing is to teach them but not everything a parent does is a guarantee.
@punchy207
4 ай бұрын
@@Artryom i think i... KIND OF understand what youre trying to say, but you are wording it very poorly to the point that you do come across as a bit of a homophobe
@jellyfsh5621
6 ай бұрын
They could have kept sports as a part of the character with the flamboyance, like Cam from modern family
@annabunovsky5628
Жыл бұрын
I think Michael's reboot design is really cool aesthetically, though I kind of wish his outfits looked more like the sort of clothes a queer teen would actually have access to. He's dressed like a high-end fashion designer, but as a queer woman who was both a theatre kid and in a GSA club in high school, I can tell you we were just as much fashion disasters as any other teen trying to express themselves. On top of that, most of our shopping for wilder & more experimental clothes was done at thrift stores (I cannot begin to tell you how many hours were spent at Savers, nor can I begin to describe the fashion choices that were made). It's kind of a tricky question because Proud Family always sort of straddled the line between more realistic depictions of teen life and exploring teen fantasies. As for his personality, I can appreciate that they wanted to show Michael as having come out and become more confident since we last saw him, but they're definitely leaning on the stereotype of the fierce, out and proud, sassy gay guy. I don't want to rag too much on that characterization, as it can reflect a lot of queer men's lived experiences and be representative of them living their truth, but it feels more like the type of persona you'd see in an adult who's been living their own life and making their own choices for years, and Michael's supposed to be a kid who's still living with an emotionally distant father.
@wulfmun
6 ай бұрын
I'm gay, not black, and...I dont see it as inherently disrespectful more...boring. It's unimaginative to continue with these stereotypes. Not bad mind you, there are plenty of gay guys just like that. But it'd be nice to see something new. Like, I'm a very "tame" gay guy. I've had several people tell me they never picked up on it. But maybe I'm just good at masking it 🤷♂️
@yinyangyt8749
6 ай бұрын
Apparently in the original he wasn’t gay. He was just more flamboyant. But I feel like he has a lot of stereotypes with him. Especially in the reboot. He was completely changed in the reboot. I almost didn’t recognize him
@SrMechaGojira93
11 ай бұрын
As a kid, I already kind of picked up that’s he’s pretty flamboyant. Even wearing lavender and purple most of the time. In this series, now that times had changed, he’s able to embrace his true self. I really like his design. What IS my problem with the character is that - this is all they can write him as, the “Token Gay.” For season 3, they should write an episode about his current relationship with his father, the Coach, and whether or not he accepts this new version of his son.
@williamswonderland3636
11 ай бұрын
Personally I think he looks fabulous! 🤩✨ but yeah it is very stereotypical like I have this gay friend and he dresses and acts very straight not like meat head straight but you know. Meanwhile I do act very afemanet and I love drag and ballet 🩰 and fashion but I'm not gay I'm asexual.
@franz8072
8 ай бұрын
The old Michael and the new Michael both feels like they're trying to represent different type of people unlike the new Penny, Dijonay, Lacienega, Zoey, etc that while different still seem to be trying to represent the same people their old counterparts were. (Btw, i started watching The Proud Family less than a month ago)
@greatgatsby0174
11 ай бұрын
I really like the new design but also feel they could do a beautiful mix of new and old. Whilst he enjoys fashion and dance we should see more of his passion for basketball and other “masculine” interests, I feel it could not only make it clearer he’s the Michael from back in the day but it also would round him out as a character, give him more depth.
@totallyzturiz
8 ай бұрын
Also Its INSANE how fake Michael new character is at times OG MICHEAL would NEVAAA he had pennys back all the time its like dam yall gonna make a walking stereotype and ANOTHER aint shit ass friend Idk its giving micheal was killed and this a clone cause aint no waaaay! #NotMyMicheal
@marioruiz1530
11 ай бұрын
We need more gay characters that aint the same stereotypical tidy whitey flamboyant, effeminate sass-ball that’s obsessed with fashion and other stereotypically girly things.
@dyinginside821
Жыл бұрын
the difference in the voices between the original and the reboot is KILLING me
@SetheMan
Жыл бұрын
I agree with the video. I think the term you are looking for is "flanderization" (coined after Simpsons character Ned Flander who some would say had depth but now is known as "Christian Man"). It is fine to introduce these characters as gay or queer but that extra substance is what sets them apart from being just a stereotype.
@ArmyNavyAcademy
9 ай бұрын
Aside from the Chang triplets i think the original run was better, now it seems like they are rightfully talking about the right issues but it's through the lense of an older generation looking up phrases on social media then trying to retroactively shove them in the new show and existing characters. Might be better if it was staring Penny's kids.
@nueshb4797
Жыл бұрын
I think Michael's androgynous design is pretty cool. It pretty much hones in on his interest in fashion
@Vick_or_somethin
Жыл бұрын
Androgynous? Nah, I definitely thought he was downright a teen girl when I saw the design lmao
@bobtheball5384
Жыл бұрын
@@Vick_or_somethin Pink = girl
@CalebR-zd5ql
5 ай бұрын
@@Vick_or_somethinwhy do you have an issue with gay men wearing feminine stuff? Toxic masculinity is interesting
@Vick_or_somethin
5 ай бұрын
@@CalebR-zd5ql I dont just disagreeing that he looks androgynous, I will say I'm a lil annoyed he is pretty much just a basic stereotypical gay friend of the girls group which feels like anytime gay men are represented in more family friendly media they have to be over feminine or a stereotype, I'm not exactly against that type of representation but it just feels overdone and theres other flavors of gay too yaknow?
@punchy207
4 ай бұрын
@@CalebR-zd5ql I wouldnt call it toxic masculinity, Vick obviously doesnt have an "issue". I agree with him as a matter of fact; dude looks like a lady, and that's coming from a gay man's mouth.
@jadacampbell9331
11 ай бұрын
It's a shame we didn't get to see their dad the coach because it was implied that there was still some tension. It would have been great to explore that old school patriarchal father and queer kid dynamic
@TonyTurner
11 ай бұрын
Maybe in Season 3 if they focus more on him
@Lucky_9705
5 ай бұрын
Writers need to understand that originality is key when writing good characters. I believe that LGBTQ+ characters should be entirely new characters that are added to the universes of these shows as a means of boosting creativity and narrative potential in a way beyond just filling out a check box for representation.
@currentlyplayingmorrowind3167
3 ай бұрын
I just started watching the reboot after periodically watching the proud family since I was a child, I loved Michael as a character he was legitimately adorable and a great friend to everybody. When I watched the reboot I admit I literally had to google who the new girl was in the show, turns out that "girl" was Michael. I don't mind that he looks effeminate at all, but the fact that there is absolutely no gradual introduction to this and seconds in he becomes a walking stereotype is an issue, they should have done a gradual increase and showed how Michael changed, even if they gave everyone their own little sequence like Penny had in the beginning (Before anyone assumes that I'm homophobic for thinking Michael was one of the girls, I'm not. I'm trans myself. I was confused because of the lack of a convincing intro.) Michael can be flamboyant, he can be effeminate, he can enjoy fashion, but it's when the characters whole personality becomes that and they essentially get ret-conned, he's no longer a really good friend and likes to stir the pot, create drama and then run away, it makes him unlikeable that he no longer stands up for his friends and is so wishy-washy. It's like all the characters forgot who they actually were. It's not just a Michael problem though, the reboot has made so many of the characters unlikable... most notably Penny. She has become just as toxic and annoying as her friends.
@nekowerewolf
Ай бұрын
I can't really sat much in terms of representation, but I love the physical design. Honestly, I can imagine someone who's personality was shoved down a s a kid growing up and just going ham on that repressed aspect. Who's to say he didn't want the the colorful hair or feminine dress but wasn't allowed by his father
@mendez5525
9 ай бұрын
The biggest issue with these obvious stereotypes is that it gives an unrealistic expectation that all gay people have no nuance and that their sexuality is the sum of their character. There is nothing wrong with a feminine man, but that doesn't mean that they are all automatically gay or that gay men can't be traditionally masculine. The message is not inclusive when they make a character and caricature, as opposed to a person who happens to be gay.
@LeviThaBoi
5 ай бұрын
Do you know there are plenty of gay men who are flamboyant and very feminine? Seems like u have a problem with gay men who act like that.
@normalhuman8608
11 ай бұрын
I like your Proud Family analysis. Have you seen “Moongirl and Devil Dinosaur”? It’s such a good show and would like to know your opinion.
@acid4096
7 ай бұрын
THAT'S MICHEAL!?!?! damn bro i thought it was a random girl 💀💀💀💀
@TonyTurner
7 ай бұрын
😅😅😅
@sarahthomas8670
6 ай бұрын
LMAOAOAOAO
@DesiWeidner1309
8 ай бұрын
The reboot made him so fake and plastic (not talking about him being gay here since this was the only real thing about reboot Michael) that it makes me CRINGE! He only seemed to care about looks, was incredibly shallow (the incident with Make-Up Boy) and his entire effeminate personality seemed forced up to freaking 11! I mean, they can make him gay, I'm cool with that, but did they REALLY have to make him so incredibly stereotypical to the point that it doesn't seem real anymore? Plus, his sexuality was treated more as an accessoire than an actual, normal minor part of his personality.
@JasTheSass
5 ай бұрын
It’s totally fine to make Michael gay. The issue was making him a stereotype. You can totally have an effeminate or androgynous gay character, but if you want to do that, they can’t be all “Yass Queen Slayyy” all the time. As a queer person myself, I’ve felt bad for gay men, as the only thing we get of them in the media is characters like Michael in the reboot. How queer characters are represented has always been a big issue in media, and this is probably the most common stereotype, even more so than “creepy trans people”, and “evil aromantics”.
@lynettebrown91
Жыл бұрын
Kiwi and Tony are back with another reaction lol 😂
@flowerbloom5782
3 ай бұрын
Something I really disliked is how some girls would treat the gay guy like just a toy to make themselves look good. Idk how to describe it, either they would ship him with other guys, always talk about being supportive about sexuality or kinda treat him like a girl and dismissing he’s a boy. It’s awkward and annoyed the crap out of me.
@madeegaindraws
5 ай бұрын
my problem with characters like this can be explained pretty easy. they dont feel like a character who happens to be gay, they feel like THE gay character. i myself am gay, ive met gay guys like og micheal, ive met gay guys like reboot micheal, ive met gay guys that arent like either.
@Rancid-VeilSonier-od9cd
4 ай бұрын
The new Michael seems like such a “costume” if that makes sense. I am a flamboyant gay guy but I do not talk like a stereotype and just seeing it makes me feel ‘wonky’ and sad. I don’t care if he’s gay or not but making him a stereotype hurts.
@Dreamlillie_95
6 ай бұрын
I just wish they gave Michael more depth than just the stereotypical "gbf." Like give him more friends in theatre, in fashion. Give him male friends, straight, gay, bisexual. He didn't have to be with the girls ALL THE TIME. If other shows can do it, they could do it too. Because I like Michael in this... just not how they approached it. They're black gay characters that're more relaxed than this character was
@burntalphabetsoup6772
11 ай бұрын
as a gay guy im not sure what to think of michael in the reboot. on the one hand its nice that he isnt being made fun of anymore, but on the other hand it feels like the show really doesnt have any plans for him outside of making him the cool gnc gay friend. he deserved better in both versions :']
@MatsuyoRific
11 ай бұрын
It'd be great if they had an episode that breaks down some of the dangers of Michael's stereotype. One thing you see a lot is girl groups will have that one gay guy that is delegated to being the hair/makeup/clothes guy, and some girls will even actively look for a gay guy to be their best friend just to fit into that role. It'd be great to have an episode that acknowledges this, with the girls over relying on Michael for these tropes, just for him to get frustrated that they only see him as "the gay friend"
@nimloc1670
Жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said. I just hope if they want him to be less of a side, they treat him more like an actual character. There's definitely people like him IRL, but I wish the gay people, specifically gay men who weren't as out there and flamboyant like Michael also got attention. That's exactly what makes it feel token-ish. How comes every time they add a male gay character, they have to act the same way as those that are more "popular" in mainstream media? I do hope they give Mike his own episode and that make him more than a stereotype, even if it's too late.
@warmstrong5612
5 ай бұрын
I liked the old Micheal since to me he wasn't simply the "token gay friend" but more like he bucked the traditional male stereotype and just lived his best life without worrying about others opinions.
@NotWhatIamMadeFor
6 ай бұрын
I am a lesbian myself but I don't enjoy his representation. He is stuck up and mean. He isn't cute an "sassy" he isn't nice.
@ECKohns
8 ай бұрын
Instead of bringing back Phil LaMare, a beloved veteran voice actor. They replace him with EJ Johnson, a Nepo Baby famous for reality television.
@nicolecorley7315
Жыл бұрын
I remember this episode your right but u know a lot of the shows these days always have a gay character or couple I was shocked they did this. I like Michael
@dayschange2
11 ай бұрын
I would love to see an episode focus on Michael. I personally don't mind him being so feminine and flamboyant, but I'll admit that a big part of the draw for me was because he had seemed so nervous around his father in the original series, and I read an implied sort of rebellion in the way that he now carries himself in the reboot. Though to be fair, I was a casual watcher of the show, so maybe I don't have all the information. But to me, it seems like somewhere in the inbetween years, Michael must have turned things around on his dad and rejected him, and I would be very interested to see where the dynamic between father and son is in the present day.
@SilverScribe85
Жыл бұрын
I have no issues with Michael's character, old or new version. I always found his personality to be so likeable and outspoken
@WackyChu
Жыл бұрын
i love your videos and your cat is adorable honestly i always take the proud family’s characters with a grain of salt because the characters are just so….stereotypical. Like dijonay, lacienega, and michael. I do know these can be harmful and negative stereotypes. but on the other hand i do like how he’s stylish, confident, and finally someone’s a good friend to penny. im very excited that the show is somehow getting a third season after season two.
@BillyWiccanHex
10 ай бұрын
I hate Michael's new design so much, and then people will call me homophobic for it, despite the fact I'm lgbt myself. It's like they really wanted him to "look" gay cause I guess the original design wasn't good enough for them. Became a whole ass stereotype.
@harmonylynx252
11 ай бұрын
God i hated the character Makeup Boy. I get that they were making fun of James Charles, but, it felt more like they were making fun of Gay men and fem styled dressers. Its like so so negative, and for Makeup boy to be one of the only characters to be overweight, it implys “Lol hes fat! Therfor, hes ugly and a loser and look he wears makeup! lol arnt we funny!?” No. Come on. Its fat shamming and feels so mean spirited. I like Micheals design, and he can be funny, but i wish they did more with his hobbys outside of fashion. It says he likes sports and shows him in basketball, maybe they could do more of that, or maybe give him a competitor, like an archnemisis that he could play off of during competitions and dances offs.
@helen8022
5 ай бұрын
Matthew from Big Mouth has more going on for him than Michael in the reboot 💀 that’s saying something bruh
@Card-Trader
10 ай бұрын
0:35 THAT! THATS WHO THAT IS! Dog I inhaled everything Disney and Cartoon Network as a kid. I might not remember all the names of the characters in every show but I could at least tell you a thing or two about most characters. Dude I thought the redesign version was a self insert. That’s how unrecognizable he was to me
@nicolehegarty4749
8 ай бұрын
Omfg. They changed his character A LOT from the original to the reboot. Wow.
@SeeBeesHoney
11 ай бұрын
When the reboot aired, nearly everyone I know went “who’s michael? A new character?” Because he really was a glorified extra. I was just glad their “fashion forward” friend was out of that ugly baggy tshirt 💀
@TonyTurner
11 ай бұрын
😅😅😅😅
@Sonicteamblaze
Жыл бұрын
Bro I thought Michael was a girl the whole time 😂
@weeping.angel27
Жыл бұрын
HI KIWI!! Keep up the good work, Tony! I enjoy watching your videos!😊 can you talk about the gross sisters?
@TonyTurner
Жыл бұрын
Thanks ‼ They're coming up soon
@der23
11 ай бұрын
So my stand on this will come more from a cartooning point of view. You know writing characters and designing. I can see how michael might have developed into the reboot version, design wise, after becoming more comfortable with self expression. Not to mention hs is a time when you kinda go all out with how you look for those who experiment with appearances. And seeing some fashion kids first hand, hes pretty toned down tbh. From a character point it kinda feels like he went from a kid who happened to be gay to the gay kid. Ive only seen clips but from what ive seen hes always sassy, knows just how to throw a comback with attitude, can give you a makeover etc, which are basically all stereotypes. I feel like tthey maybe didn't know how to write him or what to actually do with him so hes just there to give fashion advice cause "oh thats something he like right?" Hes just so far really flat. Also i know some gay guys might be hyper flamboyant but why is that the main rep i see? Bruh ive met plenty of gay dudes and not every gay guy is "bam in your face sparkles and rainbows!" Just write a character and make it so they happen to be gay/bi/ace/whatever you want em to be lol
@markhargreaves1069
10 ай бұрын
Michael had more character in the original series than in the reboot. They did better storylines with him now he's been tokenized. They could have made it more transitional show his struggle with accepting himself or his family accepting him.
@Match25
6 ай бұрын
In the original he was camp straight
@SorceressRose
6 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'm just gonna throw it out there that because he started hanging out with the group, he's displayed more toxic traits. I honestly dislike how he treats Penny in some episodes. It's either Penny or Zoey who are on the receiving end of the group's toxicity and it's gotten worse when Maya joined the group.
@SaccharineHearts
Жыл бұрын
Shame they didn't do anything great with him because i loved his redesign, also i would love to see more feminine straight guys, they do exist!
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