Cause Jorginho has better vision and tempo controlling. If being able to dink and pass is enough to be a Pirlo/ jorginho type player why doesn’t Kalvin Philip start for man city😂. Rice needs more experience dont simplify what Pirlo and jorginho do as easy cause someone can strike well.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
Whoaaa whooaaa whoaaa putting Pirlo and Jorginho in the same bracket 😂😂😂 Jorginho cannot run with the ball. Just because he passes the ball the moment it gets to him doesn't mean any tempo is getting "controlled". You're busy praising him for stuff you probably criticize Elneny for 😂😂😂😂 Declan Rice is a million times the player Jorginho will ever be/has ever been and literally any of our 8.5s are both quicker stronger than him and we can't even compare quality in opposition boxes. Jorginho is like a worse Zinchenko, because at least on the flank Zinchenko only gets done about once or twice against fodder teams, but Jorginho gets run past every single time someone with the ball is close to him. Even in duels he gets completely dominated. Jorginho cost 12 million for a reason.
@Kzeditzzz387
2 ай бұрын
@@thaaabs Yes Jorginho is a similar player to pirlo . What players can't have similar traits. Pirlo was slow you would probably talk hella shit about him cause he can't run He speeds up and slows down the game when needed and exploits runs in behind. This is the mental aspect of the game and not only technical. Since you used crossing from corners why couldn't Beckham play in the midfield ? Is it cause he couldn't pass or dribble? Nope it's cause his crossing and long passing doesn't mean he can bloody dink a ball in behind like ozil like you are trying to relate rice and jorginho. Also price tags don't determine a players ability. Jorginho had a few months left which caused his contract to be less. Was thiago alcantra at bayern who won Ucl worth 20-30 mil? Nope he had a year left on his contract. Is caicedo, Enzo, antony worth 100 million? Nope You honestly argue like a 10 year old lol.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
Lol this is fun Okay your Jorginho Pirlo comparison I'm not gonna touch. I didn't watch Pirlo enough to defend his legacy, I'll leave that to the people that know better. Okay let's say Jorginho brings this one thing to the table where "speeds up and slows down the game when needed" This implies that Rice cannot do this. England's no.6... But anyway let's say that's the case. What we gain in that position is tempo control What we lose is Strength in duels Speed in recovery runs Quality in recovery tackles The ability to dribble through midfield if ever needed ( I understand you don't want your six to dribble too much but it's still a weapon) And goals, long shots. Is all that worth it against 80 percent of teams we play? You wanna control the tempo against for example Sheffield UTD 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Now for a game like City, I can maybe hear it, and even then only if any of our other 8.5s are injured Jorginho is a great buy, fantastic character, good player, but in terms of the qualities in our squad, again, he's at best a crutch.
@Kzeditzzz387
2 ай бұрын
@@thaaabs Of course he has flaws and against porto he was ran through that is why he is a backup lol i doubt he starts if partey is fit and why we are interested in zubimendi. He isn't perfect but my point was final balls isn't that simple or everyone could do it
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
@Kzeditzzz387 yeah no, but in this instance he's competition is Rice, and I think the difference would really be barely noticeable in that one instance
@yf9409
2 ай бұрын
Because Mikel is the manager and you’re not 😂.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
Mikel Arteta is perfect. He doesn't make mistakes. He's not a human being, my bad I didn't know you were into idolatry.
@djZezeman
2 ай бұрын
Only coaches 😅😅
@efey50
2 ай бұрын
Thank God you’re not the manager 🙌🏻
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
Same with you 🤲🏾 we're so blessed.
@spacetime34-dx7wt
2 ай бұрын
Just discovered your channel and twitter, brilliant content! My thing is If Odegaard is dropping deep anyway why are we starting Jorginho. Him and Rice together should offer more than enough progression. We have 2 fantastic #10s wasting away on the bench because of this.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
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@RukiYoshida
2 ай бұрын
Broo...u funnier as hell...
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
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@cola4249
2 ай бұрын
You claim that theres others that can do his job better in terms of attributes. While I do see your argument theres one very important thing you forget my friend, and that's experience. This guy has an elite mentality, has won the UCL, Euros and Europa league and on top of that hes the best at reading the game out of anyone in the squad. Besides this you mentioned that Rice can take corners so therefore he must be good at playing balls in behind. Thats sinply not true as you need the vision first to execute those passes in the first place. Put some respect on the guy's name ffs 🤦♂️
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
Simply go watch a Rice comp and tell me why he doesn't have vision. Jorginho was an excellent buy, but there's a reason one cost 100m and the other 12m. One is a crutch and the other is an actual midfield general. Read my 2nd reply to pinned comment
@ashwinramaswamy4059
2 ай бұрын
Jorginho's issue is his pace and stamina. But hes a very very good deep lying ball player. As for Rice, it just doesn't seem to he in his game yet to ping long passes - its not by instruction since Partey used to do it often when he played that position. Corners isnt the same as open play long passes. Rice seems to prefer safer passes in open play. Regardless theres no doubt Jorgi is the best long passer at Arsenal, and the best playmaker after Ødegaard.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
Best playmaker after Ødegaard 💀💀💀💀 what did I just read. Jorginho brings nothing to the table in a midfield 3 of him Rice and Odegaard. Infact he makes us worse. Because he gets bypassed so easily, he doesn't win duels in the midfield and he gets bypassed incredibly consistently AND that means Rice has to run further to affect the most important part of the pitch. He makes us worse OOP In possession he passes the ball sideways recycling possession unable to shift blocks on his own through carrying which as a six is acceptable, BUT DR41 CAN DO BOTH MUCH BETTER. But no, shoehorning in J20 forces him to play higher up the pitch where his less good qualities are on show, the spaces are much tighter and even though he's pretty good at it there are levels to that exact role that players on our bench have been doing their whole lives. It's dumb to play Jorginho in most games Rice is on the pitch.
@ashwinramaswamy4059
2 ай бұрын
@@thaaabs idk man, either you haven't watched all the recent games or haven't watched them closely. Jorgi has been excellent. I agree that we can't rely on him for the big big stages, because he's a bit slow and can become a liability in a fast paced game. But he's an excellent, excellent ball player which makes him worth in the squad and playing against low blocks. This is all besides th point anyway which is that Jorgi has been playing only because Partey was injured for so long.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
My best 3 Jorginho game was Liverpool in the cup, Liverpool (H) and Newcastle (H) and only because after the Porto game away where all our players were to afraid to pass the ball forward to our wingers, he didn't let that nonsense linger and passed the ball forward whenever an opportunity arises. I was specifically referring to this game actually when I spoke about him dinking balls OTT. He's been a good investment. But that line up that played against Westham and then Burnley are our best starting 11 until someone shows us something we haven't seen yet. You should actually go watch the Porto home game. The game literally changed when Jorginho came off because we actually got back controll in the middle. Just go and watch Jorginho and no one else and I swear you'll change your mind.
@cola4249
2 ай бұрын
@@ashwinramaswamy4059this guy's a wasteman if he honestly thinks Rice Ode Kai is a better midfield than Jorgi Rice Ode 💀
@ashwinramaswamy4059
2 ай бұрын
@@thaaabs even I was calling for Jorgi to be subbed out in the last porto game. Like I said, he's not a player for every game - he is most effective when he is given time and space on the ball. He does an okay job in midfield duels, nowhere close to Rice of course. On the other hand there is nobody else on the team who can play the perfect lofted through balls he can - it really adds a whole new dimension to the team that wasn't present say last season. I think now that Partey is fit and Arsenal are entering some tough and critical games we'll see less of Jorginho starting. Kai seems to have settled in well in the false 9, he'll likely play midfield only in the easy fixtures.
@cola4249
2 ай бұрын
Theres still time, delete this lil bro
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 you funny guy
@FaisalAlmubaslat
2 ай бұрын
Facts 😂
@FaisalAlmubaslat
2 ай бұрын
Rah, you need to increase your ball knowledge fam. Just because a player isn't a physical presence doesn't make him a bad player. The guys football IQ is higher than anyone's. We're a better side with him in the team atm
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
You overrate the overall effect of "his IQ" has on the team.
@youdontneedtoknow7027
2 ай бұрын
@@thaaabsso when most of our squad say that Jorginho is the most intelligent player at the club, it is all false? So our entire squad doesn't understand football and only you do? lol😂😂😂
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
@youdontneedtoknow7027 where'd they say that?
@musha2752
2 ай бұрын
Jorg makes us worse? He’s had several high ratings and MOTM awards when given the chance to start.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
You should watch the player and his effect on the team not his sofascore rating. He has had 3 good performances I can remember.
@zeckdahl
2 ай бұрын
How can you be complaining anything anything right now? 😂
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
I'm not complaining 😭
@alisankoh4052
2 ай бұрын
You don’t know football, simple as
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
No u
@alisankoh4052
2 ай бұрын
This’ll be my last interaction on your dead page.. You just don’t understand football, you’ve defo never played a good standard if you don’t think Jorginho is a good player just because he has weaknesses.
@thaaabs
2 ай бұрын
@alisankoh4052 Jorginho is an excellent player, all I said is he just doesn't compare to Rice
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