Great review as always, Dave. Thank you for the additional history. I'm trying to remain disinterested in tape because my vinyl interest is expensive enough and I want to ensure my daughter gets a fair to good education. Cheers!
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Austin, I'm glad you enjoyed it. How many bottles of Bollinger do you get for the price of a Ballfinger? They should teach that in school.
@m62band72
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most interesting discussions I have seen in a long while. In particular, your challenging of the technical distinction between (re-) mastering and (re-)mixing . The former is often thought to be benign. Of course it isn't.
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
@M62 Band, I'm glad you found it interesting. To be honest I think a mastering engineer would be quite offended to be told mastering doesn't do anything. You've given me an idea: I might see if I can get a mastering engineer, mix engineer, producers etc to do an interview (chat / ramble) video... I love hearing about how albums are made. Thanks for your feedback.
@Chunksville
Жыл бұрын
Amazing overview and review thank you Dave, I really enjoyed the background detail
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it @Chunksville, thanks for the feedback.
@craigcharlestone
6 ай бұрын
Amazing !
@DaveDenyer
6 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@eur1gys
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave for good explanation about mastering/mixing differences.
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Croc, thanks for the feedback.
@leonardoiglesias2394
10 ай бұрын
I bought the UQHR 45 RPM…it was very noisy the first time I played it. I found out, almost all the copies have that problem. Specially in Blue in green. Its very strange that on this channel there was not ONE word about it. I could send the box back luckily enough.
@DaveDenyer
10 ай бұрын
Hi Leonardo, to be honest I clean every single LP that comes into the house before I play them, so I guess I just wouldn’t have known.
@DaveDenyer
10 ай бұрын
I just went back and payed it again. You're right: on my copy there are five noticeable 'pops' right near the start of Blue & Green: two on the left channel, one centre then two on the right. I do agree this is not good enough on a £200 record.
@arnelarsen4379
Жыл бұрын
Hi Dave - A very good video - Thank you!
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Arne, thanks.
@michaelmerinar8355
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Dave, for the review. If I lived next door to you, instead of asking you for a cup of sugar, I think I would grab my quarter track Revox A77, some new blank tape, and ask you to please transfer your fab “Kind of Blue” tapes to my machine! I would someday like to find a reasonably priced quarter track, 7.5 ips, copy of KOB. Columbia also made them in half track, but both types are scarce, though I think it would have been a popular title to make, and expensive. I imagine they would sound like your 6 eye stereo, but better, and of course quieter, because of their medium. Hope I didn’t give some of your readers any ideas about paying you a visit with their tape machine. Mike (currently in California)
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, I'm glad you liked the review. Thanks for your comments! 😄
@emilhobel9169
Жыл бұрын
I don't collect tapes, but I really enjoy the thoroughness and attention to detail of your reviews. I own about 5-6 copies of the album on vinyl including the 45rpm UHQR which is indeed stunning. The 2014 mono by Ryan K. Smith is brilliant as well. A technical question for this video: If this came from the safety session tape (used post 1992), wouldn't this have to be a remix as well? If they had two separate three track machines running during recording and found out years later that the first one was slightly off-pitch, surely a new stereo mix would have had to be created from the tape that was running at the right speed? Or am I getting something wrong - did the tape error occur during mixing rather than recording?
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Hi Emil, That's a great question: and quite frankly one I'd have to ask / research to (try) find the correct answer. As I understand it, there were two recorders at the recording session: although now you have really me thinking... Equally there could have been two stereo recorders at the mix session... Thinking about it, why would they need to go back to 'tape B" as surely they could simply adjust the replay speed of "tape A" by the required amount to achieve the correct result... To be fair I asked Hemiolia if this was the speed corrected version or not and they said it is the correct speed, they didn't actually specify whether their production master was a copy of "tape A" or "tape B"...
@1061shrink1061
9 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, helped me understand some of the details i've often heard in the recording. I have a recent 180g vinyl re-release, the Mo-Fi 45rpm version, and an early 90's CD copy. Not sure I need / want any other copies, but the UHQR appears in 33rpm, because getting up and down for the mofi one is annoying :)
@DaveDenyer
9 ай бұрын
I do agree about the getting up to change sides although on some LPs this really doesn't bother me. Maybe it's about the space the recording takes you to keep being interrupted. Thanks for your comment.
@nickmoys22
Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation.
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so Nick. Thanks,
@HoomanR17
Жыл бұрын
Great review.. Few questions in case you know (1) Since these are made one at a time requiring the source tape to be played each time for every tape , would it be fair to conclude that Hemiolia made a copy of what ever production copy was provided to them to be used solely for continuous playback during copying? (2) I didn't get a sense if these are limited editions or are they indefinitely in stock?
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the review @Hooman R. In answer to your questions: 1. Yes, Pietro Benini, Hemilolia's mastering engineer, made a brand new "master" from the old Production Master he used as source. It was from that new tape that all the copies were / will be made. 2. As far as I know these are not limited editions, but it's a good question: one that I'll ask next time time I speak to Hemiolia. Thanks for your your feedback.
@r423sdex
Жыл бұрын
Wow you lucky boy ! I am listening to the 45 uhqr version and that is staggering. I am new to vinyl at the age of 55. It's taken me a month of fiddling with the cartridge, but today I think it has its optimal performance. This is the best so far I've gotten from this album. The decay I'm getting on the piano is blowing me away. Not sure what to get next, maybe " amused to death" what do you think ?
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Hi @Run away Bride. "new to vinyl at the age of 55" wow, that's cool: just goes to show it's never too late! :-) The UHQR version of Kind of Blue is an amazing sounding record, however I'm not sure I'd recommend Amused to Death... If you know the album then of course go for it, but recommending Roger Waters (who is perhaps a tad dark for my taste) to someone who likes Kind of Blue... Hmmm. not the most obvious choice...
@AmazonasBiotop
Жыл бұрын
Thanks David! Very interesting with all the details. You don't need to ask if it is the speed corrected or not version. You will find it out rather easily when over the whole course of the song/track the speed corrected vs the non speed corrected will have different total playing time. That is a easy tell if or if it is not, speed corrected version. Thanks again for the interesting video. One thing that I have noticed is in for example the bass (Paul Chambers) in "so what" is sounding very very bad. Not that he is playing badly more that the CAPTURING (or that you pointed out added reverberation effect or whatever ?) of the bass sound is very disappointing. If that is due to the old capturing equipment capabilities or whatever I don't know.. I have a astonishing bass performing system that reviles EVERYTHING in the bass region, and the UHQR 33⅓rpm copy. But Paul Chambers would not be happy with the sound that they have captured of his playing in so what. If he would be able to hear it here. What is your thoughts about the SOUND from the bass in so what ?? Why I ask is because you have the experience and the best formats. And thus is the most sold jazz album and the hit track "so what". And everybody loves and praise that and Paul Chambers but the bass sound is in my opinion SOUNDING well below average! And I just wondering if I am totally wrong or it deserves all of it's praises that it has got and I am the only one that have this opinion!?
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Hi Oprimize, thank for this really great question! Ok, so first of all, I personally don't have a problem with the bass on Kind of Blue in general, it was one of the first jazz albums I got into so its sound quickly became a bit 'definitive' for me. The bass is certainly right back in the soundstage on So What, dead centre; and in contrast to the saxes and piano and drums, which are sharp and etched the bass rolls and resonates, the natural decay of the bass together with the studio reverb added to this. I've always felt it's an artistic effect of the album, not an error, so to speak. However the bass on UHQR 45 (and more so on the 33) definitely is 'looser' and less defined than it is on the tape. It still has the same extended reverb (you can hear that Chambers doesn't damp each note instead allowing the notes to continue into their full, natural decay; and then the studio reverb is added to produce a 'flowing' almost continuous bass melody in front of which the horns, drums and piano play, in stark contrast. The tape reveals the same 'artistic' choice made however the leading edges and main body of each bass note have far more texture and definition to them which certainly adds to both my enjoyment and understanding of the track.
@AmazonasBiotop
Жыл бұрын
@@DaveDenyer thanks Dave! Yes, first of you found it also "looser" that is the right describing word! We go with that. 👍 To loose, especially the first notes he plays in the "intro" in my opinion. But yes we can secondly file this into "artistic" intent. And lastly the third is that the tape is better and less "loose" than the UHQR 33. Is good to hear! So I were not way of when auditing the UHQR 33. So I can now stop thinking about that 😜 The thing is in the bass department I have done so much sound quality enhancements optimizations over the years, so the system reviles details that the majority can't even resolve. That what I heard initiated my thoughts when I played it. And frankly I were little bit of disappointed and hoped that the UHQR 33 had cleared up the "loosines" that i heard on my older pressings. But artistic intent sounds good to me then that means it is NOT a track to listen to tone and accuracy for the bass anyway. And make it way harder to appreciate Paul C work on that specific track. 😂👍
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
@@AmazonasBiotop I have to say I love the way it sounds (especially on the tape), but I do think it's part of the design so to speak. I think that's what they were going for: a kind of continuous, flowing, pulsating almost ambient abstract melody. Writing those words just put me in mind of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter.... I'm gonna have to play that now, at least side 1. 😄
@jeffbellin8224
11 ай бұрын
Keep in mind that the original stereo was mixed down from the 3-track session tapes to a 2-track stereo master, THEN cut to lacquers. The UHQR and Classic Records reissues were mixed down LIVE to the lacquers from the 3-track session tapes, skipping a whole generation. In contrast, the original mono was cut from a separate mono session tape, so the original mono was one step closer to the performance. The original 6-eye mono is great, better than the 6-eye stereo. The original session tapes, of course, wouldn't be necessarily compressed. That flat tape would have been created from the session tapes. I'm going to guess that the forwarding of the soundstage with the tape is that the treble was boosted a bit. That always gives the greater impression of detail as well as pushing the soundstage forward. And regarding the clarity compared to the UHQR and Classic stereo pressings? The latter are two steps closer the original session tapes, and you lose a tiny bit of definition with every added analog copy from the master session tapes.
@DaveDenyer
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for all this. To be honest I would’ve guessed ‘distribution production masters’ would be 1:1 copies of that first stereo master (the original master) rather than a new stereo master mixed down from the session tapes. But I don’t know that. I’m only guessing. Thanks again yeah, Dave
@nickbitten9910
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff.
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick, glad you enjoyed it
@Stuck_in_the_70s
Жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff thanks for sharing Dave. I find remixes to be a bit of a mixed bag - generally I do prefer the original mix but just recently I’ve had a few where I’ve thought wow this is how is should always have sounded! I really enjoyed the recent ‘Animals’ remix, and the Steven Wilson remixes of the Jethro Tull catalogue are my new favourite thing with ‘Stand Up’ ‘Benefit’ ‘Aqualung’ and ‘Thick as a brick’ on heavy rotation! I’ll be looking to get several more of those asap. Cheers
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback @Life of Vinyl. Generally, I'd say I'm in favour of the original mixes like you say... I've not heard the Steven Wilson Tull remixes, and only heard the Yes remixes on digital media. I must give the Tull remixes a listen.
@Stuck_in_the_70s
Жыл бұрын
@@DaveDenyer yes do so I’m really taken with them. ‘Stand up’ and ‘Benefit’ have long been my two favourite albums of theirs and i prefer the SW mixes of both. ‘Aqualung’ is probably the biggest beneficiary of the remix in my opinion and i much prefer it to my very murky UK original, although I’ve not heard the UHQR or any other versions tbh. I’ve picked these up for an average of 25 quid and consider them a real bargain. I’ll seek out the Yes remixes and have a listen to those, although I’m a much bigger fan of the Tull than Yes. I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Yes, tho I have really tried. Maybe these new remixes will do the trick!! Take care
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
@@Stuck_in_the_70s that's interesting: I'm also a big Tull fan, have everything up to Bursting Out, mostly first pressings and think they sound good. I must try at least one of the Yes remixes on vinyl, to give them a fair chance...
@Stuck_in_the_70s
Жыл бұрын
@@DaveDenyer yes I have a everything up to Rock Island on vinyl, but sounds like you have all the essential albums. I bought the recent Zealot Gene which is a very decent album - and sounds pretty good too. When I listen to it I can’t help but think my god this would be amazing with Martin Lancelot Barre’s incredible guitar tone layered on top! Oh well still well worth a listen..
@rickbennett426
8 ай бұрын
I find it very, very, VERY difficult to believe that a random Italian company somehow has access to safety copies of seemingly every great US Jazz recording from the late 50's and 60's including KOB.
@DaveDenyer
8 ай бұрын
Back in the day (1970s/80s/90s) it was quite common practise for labels to send overseas labels production copies. These occasionally pop up on eBay (especially from the likes of Jugoton). What I did find hard to believe was that Hemiolia / Ermitage have managed to negotiate the copyright laws in order to publish these. I half expected them to be served with a 'cease and desist order' PDQ, but that simply hasn't happened...
@rickbennett426
8 ай бұрын
Why don't the vinyl releases from Ermitage/DOM trumpet the fact that they're cut from analog sources? On the contrary they look (right down to the similar but generic cover art) and are priced exactly like DOL and WaxTime releases which are known to be cut from freely available digital sources. Surely Ermitage knows that if they state that their vinyl release of, e.g., Somethin' Else was cut from an analog tape that was a copy of the US prod master that it could command a premium over the DOL's and WaxTime's of the world. Based on the Hemiola catalogue Ermitage apparently has production stereo mixdowns originally created for non US vinyl production by (at least) Columbia, Blue Note, Verve and Riverside yet when they issued them on vinyl no mention was made of the sources. What sense does that make? Collectors would be all over those vinyl releases. The Steely Dan releases that AS is currently charging a fortune for are made from later generations of the stereo master (the original mixdown masters were either lost or burned up in the 2008 Universal fire) and AS is quite up front about it as was Universal when they produced their recent vinyl versions. In fact universal admitted that they cut from digital copies of those tapes (AS used the analog versions).@@DaveDenyer
@DaveDenyer
8 ай бұрын
@@rickbennett426 I can only report on what I'm told, which is that the Hemiolia tapes are produced from 'production masters'. I've only seen a photo of the source tape used for Kind Of Blue. As far as the Ermitage vinyl releases go: most vinyl doesn't state what the source is or was. For all I know they may well even be from a different source to the Hemiolia tape releases.
@DaveDenyer
8 ай бұрын
@@rickbennett426 I honestly don't know anything really about the Ermitage/DOM vinyl releases. I've only looked into what titles were in the catalogue to get an idea of what titles Ermitage has a license for... Hence what we may possibly see coming from Hemiolia. Maybe Ermitage did digitally master those LPs, I honestly don't know. They were produced / priced for the lower end of the market. All I can say is these Hemiolia tapes are stunning, definitely not CD-to-tape rips.
@ediblehorse
Жыл бұрын
Great vid Dave . Thanks! I have my hands full of vinyl, so I'm really not ever going into delve into the reels. I have to ask tho, what does something like that cost? It is really very impressive looking, and I will take your word that it sounds great.
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Hi Ed, €700 ex VAT and shipping. Not cheap, but neither is it that expensive considering what you get.
@TheChianello
Жыл бұрын
Dave, why isn't the Hemiolia release not available in the USA?
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, it's down to USA licensing issues.
@rorysuire6177
5 ай бұрын
I have a 15ips pioneer re calibrated the whole 9, and i need to play it on a studio quality reel player?
@DaveDenyer
5 ай бұрын
As long as your Pioneer is 2-track, 15ips, CCIR eq (you can order a NAB eq tape if not) you should be ok to play this.
@user-Specialized.
8 ай бұрын
good day can I order a copy from you at 7 1/2 speed? I have "ReVox-B77"
@OTO_45
Жыл бұрын
Ice, nice, nice. Congrats. But €600,00 is an investment. Enjoy it. Cheers Stefan
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Cheers Stefan.
@celtic-audiophile
Жыл бұрын
How much was the copy Dave
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Hi Keith €700 ex VAT and shipping.
@bobsbits5357
Жыл бұрын
hi watch alot of the rest who payed out and got them speed not right on high end master reel to reel you get this on some of the tascam dc capstan decks i can be out on used decks i have a otari mtr 12 myself could not get a bigger 1/4 inch deck in my home studio i would have to take the door of just got the otari mx80 in with a inch to spare at front door reel to ree sounds ace it's just the cost of the new tapes is now getting silly i know they used mag net film 3 track for masters bbc had 16mm audio film zonel i have some i made some rollers for the otati mtr 12 wow the audio levels a ace man i will take up to 1./2 tapes plus 16mm film as well
@DaveDenyer
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback: really interesting stuff!
@starlightgrecording559
8 ай бұрын
@starlightgrecording559 Dave Denyer*** Gerard Stroh!!! I Order the UHQR 45 RPM Miles Davis Kind of Blue Vinyl Record from Analogue Productions and I Should Get it on Thursday and I am Building Up My 45 RPM Speed LP Record Collection!!! I also The Other Day I Ordered Some Nice Studer Style Nub Reel Hubs From Amazon and if they Work I Will Order More of Them For My Recording Studio Tape Machines and I Have Seven Reel to Reel Machines and I Have A OTARI MX505 mk2 Reel to Reel Tape Machine and I Got it Really Cheep About 20 years Ago The Tape Deck is Almost Mint*** Bye From Gerard Stroh!!!
@DaveDenyer
8 ай бұрын
Hi Gerard, thanks for the feedback. I am sure you'll enjoy your UHQR Kind Of Blue.
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