14 year old Obito surviving a 1v1 vs Hokage Minato is a MASSIVE feat for Obito
@corterapidoetramontina2904
Ай бұрын
I think he was probably 15/16 since he "died" at 13 and in between that and Naruto's birth passed somewhat 2-3 years. In that time, Obito stayed for months in Madara's hideout, and several other months around the world setting up Madara's plan with Zetsu, specially in the Rain Village where he meet Nagato and tried to manipulate him. Only after all that he heard about Minato having a son to be born soon and decides to go for the NineTails in Kushina. Nevertheless, still a MASSIVE feat for Obito to give Minato a hard time at such young age.
@msy7023
Ай бұрын
Hima & Boruto how old r they ?
@kaizel2264
24 күн бұрын
@@corterapidoetramontina2904 obito was actually 18-19 Years old
@shomarc
20 күн бұрын
It would have been a feat for obito if he never had hashirama cells. In shippuden they were basically written as God genes.
@RizzSpectMYnAME-w5t
9 күн бұрын
See how it doesn’t mean surviving and picking fights mean ur stronger ?
@Steckdose_
2 ай бұрын
I think Hashirama is just firmly above Minato even including his KCM State. As throughout the entire time they were around each other, nobody ever Pointed out how Minato would even compare to Hashirama. While Tobirama compared Minato to himself and Hashirama pointed out how Naruto had similar Chakra Reserves to himself. And once Jubito appeared both of them immediately go like, "damn he's just outright stronger". Yet even in KCM2 and with the Avatar nobody compares Minato to Hashirama throughout the entirety of their revived states, unless I am just outright forgetting something. So with Edo Hashirama > KCM Edo Minato, Alive Hashirama should be way beyond Alive Minato as Minato was weaker (without KCM and never utilizing Sage Mode) while Hashirama is weaker than his alive counterpart as mentioned by Madara especially and we know that especially people of their caliber are restricted by Edo. And the way people throughout the story refering to Minato as the strongest of their time, but Hashirama just outright as the strongest ever is pretty telling in my opinion as well. But that's just my 2 cents.
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, this makes the most sense.
@ontheinside
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama would win by accident
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Minato accidentally cuts through his neck and Hashirama actually squishes him
@TheMessengerIsHere
Ай бұрын
The difference is Hashirama heals instantly lmao auto heal.@@Virhtue
@Elimbi1
Ай бұрын
If you at all seriously think that minato has any shot at killing hashirama then you are just delusional lmao
@exiledknight3961
2 ай бұрын
One was killed by Kurama, while the other kept Kurama as a pet.
@arsenewenger4847
2 ай бұрын
Exactly. Not even a debate.
@cameronezzard2001
2 ай бұрын
@@arsenewenger4847meh a kcm minato vs hashirama? Kcm might Win
@arsenewenger4847
2 ай бұрын
@@cameronezzard2001 No chance.
@jamesseavy2414
2 ай бұрын
Uh kuruma didn't kill Minato the reaper death seal did and the tailed beast are weak to wood style. I still think hashirama wins but to act like that gap is that big is kinda disingenuous
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama did get messed up in one of their encounters and Minato was terribly fatigued
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
I know you disagree man, but Minato being faster then Madara and Hashirama makes a lot of sense to me becauseTobirama States that Minato is faster than him and Madara says that Tobirama was the fastest shinobi. Also just to be clear, just because I think that these characters are faster does not mean that I think that they win against Madara or Hashirama. Sage mode and the EMS likely compensate for any speed difference.
@majinpayne4144
2 ай бұрын
He said he was the fastest then dodges his teleportation Knife attack From Behind Teleportation is Always faster then anything But Madara & Hashirama can react to it.... Technically yes Minato is faster then Hashirama But That doesn't means he wins The faster person doesn't always Win Goku can teleport so he's faster then whis who can't But he can't beat Whis Whis is faster but Teleportation Is always faster then base movement... Especially over A long distance The only exception Would be The Flash from DC Who out ran someone Who can teleport in a race
@inferno3054
2 ай бұрын
@@majinpayne4144 Because Madara stole Hashirama's SM, giving him precog.
@SHEANGOMES
2 ай бұрын
idk why people have an issue with Madara being slower than Tobirama he literally has FUTURE VISION. he doesn't need to be as fast as Tobirama to beat him, and both Madara&Hashirama have far greater durability+AP than Tobi so obviously he still loses any confrontation.
Hashirama stronger. Alive Hashirama with sage mode> Alive Minato Edo Hashirama (he's The strongest edo we seen in the Whole show) > Edo Minato ( With Or Without KCM)
@dylanoliver9703
2 ай бұрын
Yep
@TheAwsomeManny
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I don’t see Kurama making a difference honestly Hashirama got the literal counter for that, Hashirama’s sage mode is broken he can literally access it in seconds something not even Naruto can accomplish
@SasukeY2JItachi
2 ай бұрын
@@TheAwsomeManny exactly people overestimate the fourth Hokage if we are going by straight up feet and how useful he is he struggled against a deranged teenager and died on his first real challenge as Hokage he was brought back through reanimation and he did nothing of note against Obito or Madara he did less than all of the other Hokage against Madara and Obito
@polartang250
2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@julton321
2 ай бұрын
@@SasukeY2JItachi Not to mention if minato even tries to use the 9tails chakra it's just going to get sucked away by hasirama's woodstyle. or the fact hasirama could potentially put minato to sleep with deep forest emergence and hide inside the center of it. If minato tried to attack him or tp in, sage mode danger sense is a free FTG dodge (we saw madara do this blind with sage mode), and minato gg to pollen. Like what we talking about.
@jonathancunha9368
2 ай бұрын
The minato glaze is absolutely insane. 😂 This fight is akin to people who think Nagato or Itachi could beat Madara (of course they can’t) Even KCM Minato gets stomped by Hashirama. Minato is strong but Hashirama is in a whole other tier and it’s crazy that this is even debatable.
@shreymalik2531
2 ай бұрын
Keep yapping
@jonathancunha9368
2 ай бұрын
@@shreymalik2531 nice comment man it really makes your side of the argument stronger and doesn’t make it seem like you’re coping at all 😂
@if7723
2 ай бұрын
I mean if we wan't to go down that ballpark KCM Minito would probably be able to chip damage Hashiama to death especially if you let him stack sage.
@CWTempest
2 ай бұрын
@@if7723no he doesn’t
@if7723
2 ай бұрын
@@CWTempest eat lint
@thegrandyata
2 ай бұрын
Minato is my fav character but you need to caress him sensually and look him in the eyes passionately in order to get him above Hashi
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
And then take him to dinner.
@johnsonjohnny675
2 ай бұрын
Hes not above the 1st in terms of ap. But thats the only other attribute be has over minato
@Eliras24
2 ай бұрын
@@johnsonjohnny675 healing factor, durability. Hashi is untouchable for Minato, he can regenerate instantly from any wounds and destroy Minato right after
@johnsonjohnny675
Ай бұрын
@@Eliras24 how does he catch minato?? Loke ive said before ap minato doesn't have much on lord 1st, butttt no one has given me an actual win state other than minato is too weak.
@N4LET
Ай бұрын
@@Eliras24 did you miss the fight with Madara? Hashirama was completely battle damaged even with his healing factor. He had to outsmart Madara by making him think he won utilizing a wood clone then stabbing him from behind. Minato could easily blitz hashirama and end him.
@marwyn8152
2 ай бұрын
Well, Virhtue. It looks like you lost all credibility when it comes to all things Minato. I hope fanning the flames of your fanboyism was worth losing reputation.
@smoker9548
2 ай бұрын
pointless video. not a controversial topic, no one asked for it. obvious outcome, overanalyzation for no good reason. for an already obvious outcome, too much time spent on a stupid debate. could have done better. could have done better ideas or matchups.
@Limbou.
27 күн бұрын
What's your take? Hashi or Mina with KCM. I'm just curious to see other's argument. Though it was kinda shown Hashi is stronger by skill abilities.
@issacwilson9970
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama clears every round with ease. Minato doesn't have the AP to damage Hashirama. Your argument about Base Hashirama vs Madara in taijutsu makes no sense considering that Madara has the Sharingan which grants him precog in taijutsu. Minato has no answer for the wood dragon or wood golem both of which Hashirama can use in base. Edo Hashirama who isn't at full power is stronger than any Minato so Prime Alive Hashirama would dog walk him. Minato fought and died to the Nine Tails who whether you like it or not was in some way fatigued due to fighting THE ENTIRE LEAF VILLAGE *including the Third Hokage* and having recovered from the Genjutsu that Obito cast on it. Hashirama defeated that same Nine Tails who was upgraded by Majestic Susanoo attire while also fighting EMS Madara *the Nine tails was completely fresh coming into this fight* ‼️ Minato was in awe of Base Hashirama flexing his power when they were revived. Let's keep Minato against Tobirama.
@if7723
2 ай бұрын
Minato should have frog kata, so get shit on sharingan. Minato just gets out of the way of large scale attacks, he's shown to be faster in the war arc. Yeah he can't brawl with Hashirama but he would be the single most annoying fly on the wall to kill of all time.
@issacwilson9970
2 ай бұрын
@@if7723 Hashirama has better sage mode control
@if7723
2 ай бұрын
@issacwilson9970 Prove that, they literally spiip it and out with 0 effort
@issacwilson9970
2 ай бұрын
@@if7723 Minato said himself that he has trouble pulling in nature energy, while Hashirama is instant sage mode.
@arsenewenger4847
2 ай бұрын
How is this even a debate? Minato rival is Obito Hashirama rival is Madara Minato got killed by the nine tails. Hashirama treated it like a pet.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
This is a awkward way to justify this
@alexrobinet7576
2 ай бұрын
The ninetails more than doubled in power between the hashirama fight and when naruto was born.
@UNKNOWNL3G3ND
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue the only rivalry minato ever had was against raikage about being the fastest, and that one was as much of a rivalry as is between naruto and konohamaru
@arsenewenger4847
2 ай бұрын
@@alexrobinet7576 Provide proof for this claim.
@issacwilson9970
2 ай бұрын
@@arsenewenger4847Minato fought the full nine tails while Hashirama fought the full nine tails covered in majestic susanoo attire plus ems madara. Lol wtf is this match up. Hashirama destroys any Minato.
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
Ninato is one of my favorite characters, but c’mon guys Hashi wins. Anyone who disagrees reply and give me your arguments. I am genuinely curious to hear them.
@ITACHITHEGOAT-gg4ky
2 ай бұрын
I dont care who you fight I care about abilities,Minato seems to be the smarter one although no direct proof minato can is a faster ,hashirama cannot be damaged but minato can seal him but hashiramas wood style is useless. they are both sages and can withstand damage hashirama is stronger but u cannot kill what u cannot hit especially if u cannot outblitz
@johnsonjohnny675
2 ай бұрын
Minato without ftg is the fastest Ninja ever its his whole gimmick The 1st has no counter for ftg.
@Eliras24
Ай бұрын
@@johnsonjohnny675 U think a kunai on Hashirama or a direct rasengan hit can acctually kill him? Come on. Even if blitzed, come on
@johnsonjohnny675
Ай бұрын
@@Eliras24 I didn't say anything other than the 1st is definitely not faster than minato without ftg. Minato probably doesn't have the ap to outright kill the 1st. But he could seal him which is something that others never seem to talk about.
@___________0Z0X
Ай бұрын
@@johnsonjohnny675 but if ftg alone was such a counter to Hashirama, then why would Tobirama be considered weaker?
@tj2gone
2 ай бұрын
hashi smacks & i’m only 10 seconds in
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Why so?
@Elimbi1
Ай бұрын
To keep it really short, hashiramas sheer power and durability is so far above anything that Minato has. I mean imagine the 5 shadow clones thing that Madara did with susanoos and he wasn't even that serious honestly. Minato would essentially have to kill hashiramamultiple times while not gassing out.... the only other person who has enough of an endurance and power besides Madara would be naruto. In other short his speed is irrelevant since he doesn't have enough power/chakra to repeatedly severely damage hashirama over probably days of fighting. An Odama Rasengan ain't cutting it... The only out I see is if he somehow teleports a Ninetails bijuubomb directly onto his face and I could see hashirama even tanking/surviving that @@Virhtue
@exiledknight3961
2 ай бұрын
I disagree. There is some Minato wanking here. You sold a bit of a lie, because we know Kurama was sealed into Mito after his fight with Madara, meaning that panel where Hashirama was exhausted and fought Kurama most likely was after his fight with Madara, which changes the scaling. So if an exhausted Hashi beat Kurama, then there is no way Minato is beating base hashi, while not being able to stop Kurama. Also we saw edo Madara casually fighting kcm2 Naruto, and If he is relative to edo sage Hashirama, I dont see why kcm2 Minato would make much of a difference.
@NamelessSoulband
2 ай бұрын
Tbf hashirama has a direct counter to the bijuu in the form of wood style
@DatsLegitness
2 ай бұрын
Madara never actually reacted too kcm2 Naruto. He reacted to a clone that was falling from the sky. Kcm2 can speedblitz madara like he did later on
@Archer170
2 ай бұрын
@@DatsLegitness He never speed blitz madara he was jumping madara with other bijuu.
@DatsLegitness
2 ай бұрын
@@Archer170 nope I’m referring to this scene . kzitem.info/news/bejne/jnufvJqYiJyAgaAsi=edR25Kf6G7SMaVqH
@Taymartin23
2 ай бұрын
We know who bros favorite character is😂
@talesthesalesman3106
2 ай бұрын
Might as well do Minato vs Gai Sensei: the strongest character in Naruto not relying on jinchurikki, ocular jutsu, or genetic anything, cells, reincarnation, just pure talent and hard work.
@thechadlordboros
2 ай бұрын
One got killed by Kurama. The other beat a Susanoo clad Kurama + EMS Madara at the same time.
@willg1088
Ай бұрын
Ez win for the first
@Justme-c2o
Ай бұрын
Saying any form of minato is beating any form of hashirama in 2024 is INSANE
@Virhtue
Ай бұрын
Wanna tell me why?
@Justme-c2o
Ай бұрын
@@Virhtue slide the ds
@RizzSpectMYnAME-w5t
9 күн бұрын
@@Virhtue ur gonna say baryon mode ? If not ur not telling me what ur saying that will beat hashirama. And hahsirama prolly have some jutsu that will counter all that .
@Doshanko
2 ай бұрын
While Hashi was the strongest of the Four Hokage, I think it could be said that Minato was the deadliest because at the very least you can run away from Hashirama gigantic summons, with Minato, if he touches you, it doesn't matter where you go, you're fucked.
@hennigod8957
2 ай бұрын
You minato fan boys are so weird bruh 😭😭 his fan base has literally surpassed the itachi one in being absolutely delusional lmao.
@Archer170
2 ай бұрын
33 minutes to describe a wash.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Its 30m to describe how it’s a more comparable fight than what the consensus promotes
@ExoticZah
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtuenope still a wash
@RA1JIN07
Ай бұрын
@@ExoticZah no
@ExoticZah
Ай бұрын
@@RA1JIN07 washhhhh
@Arcadia_warlic
2 ай бұрын
It is stated by Kushina that Mito helped seal Kurama against Madara. Seems that the flashback is during the Madara fight, wherein Hashirama was damaged, sealed Kurama, regenerated, continued fighting Madara, then lost his armour.
@jakesully007
2 ай бұрын
If the question is who is stronger? Then it goes to Hashirama. The dude has more chakra, allowing him to bust out stronger jutsu. That said, fights in Naruto aren’t like DragonBall. This isn’t just about AP and who’s stronger. Hell, even in DragonBall that point is being more nuanced: the stronger combatant isn’t necessarily the one who wins a fight. If the question is who wins the fight? Then it becomes WAY more debatable. One of the things that make Naruto fights so interesting is that they’re often not simply a case of who’s stronger or “big bang Kamehameha” as a lot of people make it out to be (though granted, towards the end the series was pushing that). Think for example how Kakashi was fighting against Pain. Pain, despite being objectively stronger by a large margin, found Kakashi to be such a threat that he kept his distance while going for the kill shot. Kakashi is that dangerous of a fighter. Another thing almost no one points out is that Hashirama never died of old age. He died in his prime, given that he was a young edo. No known diseases, no known enemy, no "he fought a group of people and died because of that" or anything specific about how he died in his prime. So without anything to infer from, what can we conclude from that? What can we conclude from Hashirama, the God of Shinobi with his automatic healing who beat Madara and the Kyuubi, dying in his prime? At the very least that Hashirama’s healing is less of a big deal than people claim it to be. Because just like Orochimaru told Tsunade, even if she could heal indefinitely she’d still die if he chopped her head off. Those happen to be the exact type of kills that Minato goes for. A fight between Hashirama and Minato, with all the information and context that we have, simply isn’t what most people think it is. For example, say Hashirama pulls out the Buddha statue (arguably his strongest weapon). Does Minato have a jutsu that can fight it head on and break it? No. Does Hashirama win because of that? No. Him pulling out the Buddha statue and killing Minato with it is akin to punching a fly and killing it with that punch. Not gonna happen, the fly is too fast. So that right there makes Hashirama’s strongest weapon less viable, if at all, to win this fight. Minato’s win condition however is a mere touch. Not only can he slap FTG seals, he can also just one-tap seal abilities away as we saw in the Obito fight when he placed the contract seal. It’s not out of the realm of possibilities to believe that he can level the playing field when it comes to AP by limiting Hashirama’s power/abilities the same way he did with Obitio. These two things alone also make engaging Minato in taijutsu almost not viable anymore. That’s broken as hell. Minato is a haxed fighter that happens to be strong whereas Hashirama is a more conventionally strong fighter that is just…very strong. Much like Hokage Naruto and it’s why Sasuke despite having less raw power is still a match for him. For Hashirama to win the fight, he’ll fight differently to what most think because of his particular opponent. More likely for him would be creating situations to either trap Minato somehow or nullify his speed somehow and THEN taking him out. Which… is not easy by any means. Even in the story, the only characters that were shown capable of landing a hit on Minato were Six Path Obito and Six Path Madara. That’s how high Kishimoto set the bar on just landing a hit on this guy in a fight. None of this however means that Minato straight up takes the fight let alone is stronger than Hashirama (which I clearly said he isn’t). It just means that what we know of him and his particular skillset, makes him a lethal fighter for just about anyone in the series and unless you’re six path level you might not even land a hit much less roflstomp Minato. At least according to Kishimoto as shown.
@Deletedusee669
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama slams in every round except the wife competition
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Ain’t no way
@MasquedMocha
2 ай бұрын
hashirama slams there too, he's a master of *wood* style
@Deletedusee669
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue True, Minato also slams Hashirama in the cooking contest too. Hashirama got 0 feats in the kitchen
@Maina980
2 ай бұрын
@@Deletedusee669Hashirama is cooking.. cooking up that Minato dish 💯💯
@BonesDMS4life
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtueeasily minato doesn’t have the strength to fuck w Hash , he only has an advantage in speed
@starley_
2 ай бұрын
Probably the best video I've seen on that topic. Minato is stronger than people think he is. Using "Hashirama treated Kurama like a pet and Minato didn't, so Hashirama destroys Minato" as an argument is completely stupid. Some abilities work against certain opponents better than others. Hashirama has the wood release which is perfect against tailed beasts, such as the wood golem. Now: What the hell is a wood golem gonna do against Minato? Nothing, because Minato is way too fast for something like this to affect him. And: If Hashirama was the one fighting Obito, there's absolutely nothing that he could have done from escaping being warped into Kamui. And if Obito really succeeded in transporting Hashirama into the Kamui dimension, Hashirama would be done for. He wouldn't be able to get out. On the other hand, if Minato was sucked into the Kamui dimension, he could just teleport out as has been confirmed in the data books (and also with Boruto using it to TP to another dimension). Does that mean Minato > Obito > Hashirama now? Obviously not, it's not as simple as that. People forget that Minato is the biggest prodigy that we have ever seen in the show and probably also the smartest shinobi in combat. And all of this was before he even got KCM as an Edo Tensei. The problem Minato would face is Hashirama's regeneration and healing, lol. Hashirama wouldn't be able to keep up with his speed and Minato would probably have some problems with Hashirama's healing. At worst for Minato, it's a draw, as he simply can TP out of critical situations in a fight.
@francisgomes9976
2 ай бұрын
Holy s@!t no way Minato is in same league as Hashirama. This is just next level meat riding.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Why not
@francisgomes9976
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue let's go by Ashura and Indra reincarnation scaling. Second we seen Madaras wood dragon can handle easily KCM 2 Naruto. KCM Minato doesn't have chance against Hashirama. Hashirama was able to take on Madara+ Susanoo + real Nine tails. Base Minato vs Bass Hashi is where Minato has chance of landing lucky blow. Other than that KCM Minato and Sage Minato has no chance against Hashirama.
@SasukeY2JItachi
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama wins easy The dude has auto heal as stated by Madara his sage techniques give him absolute dominance on the battlefield being able to feel and sense everything via nature he has the power he has the skills and experience his brother used similar techniques and his brother wouldn't be able to defeat him his brother who is also still stronger than the fourth even with the fourth having access to the Ninetails power there is absolutely no way or world where the fourth Hokage would win
@MementoMoriIlluminatusDrStrang
2 ай бұрын
Minato vs Hashirama is like Flash vs Superman
@EhsanKhan-sp9rs
2 ай бұрын
Kishimoto should stop boruto garbage and make hypothetical fights like this, people will enjoy it and he will make good money in this way.There are still many battles he can do in the Naruto series Who will win? 1 Obito vs itachi 2 Kisame vs Kakashi 3 Minato vs Nagato 4 Madara EMS vs DMS Obito 5 Itachi vs Minato 6 Obito vs Nagato 7 Jiraya vs Obito 8 kakashi vs jiraya 9 war arc kabuto vs 1 sharingan obito 10 Six Path Pain vs Healthy Itachi 11 KCM Minato vs Hashirama 12 Sage Jiraiya vs 3rd Raikage 13 8 Gate Guy vs Alive Sage Hashirama 14 Sage Naruto vs Sage Kabuto 15 Sage Kabuto vs Edo Nagato 16 Edo Nagato Edo Itachi vs Edo Minato & Edo Tobirama 17 KCM 2 Naruto vs Edo Nagato 18 Sage Kabuto vs Sage Minato 19 Kcm Minato vs white Mask Obito 20 Edo Nagato Edo Itachi vs white Mask Obito 21 Kisame vs Orochimaru 22 Rinnegan Madara vs Sage Hashirama 23 War Arc Sasuke vs Prime Nagato if Gaara wasn't protecting his village, would he have won against Deidara? It would be fun if he made videos on all of them🙂👍
@garnethowse2998
2 ай бұрын
I am very surprised people, how are we even comparing? Hashirama is a god people, a god!!!!
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Minato is the greatest in godlike speed
@TR0J3NH0R5E
Ай бұрын
Is Minato fast, or is it just the teleportation jitsu? The Raikage was raw speed.
@MikeMikeSSj4
2 ай бұрын
Wood Golem Jutsu Would beat minato up I don’t think sage mode is necessary
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
Idk, guiding thunder goes hard.
@aymanriki1018
2 ай бұрын
minato's speed gets hard countered by the fact that hashirama has healing beyond 100 heals and can keep up with ems madara's precog for hours
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
True, but where’s his durability scale?
@Cynicalsinister
2 ай бұрын
Minato wouldn’t be worried about hurting him kid he’s gonna seal him
@ImJsB1
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtuewell, Naruto stated pain couldn’t hurt him.. This is my headcanon but bare minimum hashiramas sage mode should be similar or even stronger than Naruto’s at that time. Meaning he wont take damage from minato at all
@MariCappo762
2 ай бұрын
@@ImJsB1minato also has sage mode
@MariCappo762
2 ай бұрын
@@ImJsB1he went into it instantly just like hashi
@spicyboi544
2 ай бұрын
This is a great video Most of the other ones only look at one type of fight between the two but talked about all of them in good detail. Also, the Base vs Base being in favour of Minato is coherent with the narrative given about the hokage, as you said in a previous video about Hiruzen 7 or 8 months ago with him being a god of shinobi and surpassing the senju brothers (in base) and since he considers Minato to be above him it just makes sense minato would be above base hashirama
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, this is the most nuanced view that takes everything into account.
@bishopdaking717
2 ай бұрын
So much Minato wank. 1. KCM Mianto wasn’t able to damage TSBs, He needed to combo with Naruto who also had to infuse the attack with sage energy to do that. 2. KCM Mianto doesn’t have the ap to even damage Hashirama, he simply doesn’t show any AP relevant to a Kurama + Sasnoo which is what it takes to deal with Sage Hashirama. 3. KCM Mianto scales below KCM Naruto who has about the same amount of chakra as an Edo Hashirama. Alive Hashi > Edo Hashi so he has more chakra than Kcm minato.
@ExoticZah
2 ай бұрын
Exactly this video is a glaze fest
@johnsonjohnny675
2 ай бұрын
None of this os true. At base base Minato is kcm 2 level so how on earth does a kcm 2 minato scale below a Naruto? Minato doesn't have the ap of the 1st thats a fact but all the other attributes are fairly even
@ExoticZah
2 ай бұрын
@@johnsonjohnny675 Base Minato isn’t over KCM 2 Naruto stop glazing
@TheMessengerIsHere
Ай бұрын
How do you beat a man that auto heals, and everytime we saw Hashirama ALIVE, he was holding back. We've never seen alive Hashirama go all out.
@ExoticZah
2 ай бұрын
But when Tobirama gets upscaled the entire community gets upset…. Minato is not that strong, why are we glazing a base Hashirama victim?
@michaelbishop6862
2 ай бұрын
How does no one assume Hashiramas speed doesn’t rival madara? Why would we assume Hashirama can’t use body flicker or gets blitzed naturally?
@Raven_Konaim
2 ай бұрын
I mean, I'm with you on some points, but the Minato glazing is a bit much lol
@avalac7412
2 ай бұрын
Minato would get fodderized, hashirama is a different monster entirely
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Simply wrong
@RizzSpectMYnAME-w5t
9 күн бұрын
When obito did what he did , minato concluded only Madara is capable. That’s hashirama lil homie . when Dan was revived he said only HASHIRAMA can beat Madara. Dan knows minato and the ninja world. If u folks still not convinced follow me: When kabuto said he had his trump card after already summoning the whole ninja world of edo tensei, including Itachi and the rest , he went on to still say the same thing ; that NO BODY CAN BEAT MADARA IN THE NINJA WORLD BESIDES FROM HASHIRAMA. If this isn’t enough : after the five kages were revived by orochimaru, the orochimaru that had ALL OF KABUTO KNOWLEDGE AND INSIGHT ON EDO TENSEI After being revived by Sasuke , OROCHIMARU HAD THE SAME CONClusion. Tobirama himself said told them he’s not scared, but he was in emotional mature way that the threat of another Madara is not gonna happen that Madara is just a menace to society and way to powerful. Kurama said this . The ninja alliance is warned Naruto not to talk no jutsu him , because he’s not the regular shinobi that was just feeling evil because of trauma. He legit the real villain. If this is not enough KISHIMOTO STILL SAID MADARA TOO STRONG EVEN FOR THE PEN. Now why the Madara glaze, because Madara said after mopping the floor with the whole world and after all the other kages showed up, that he only wanted to fight hashirama before he became six paths . Because everyone is weak.
@quayshawndameron1349
2 ай бұрын
Minato is by far the most D riden character in naruto. I wouldnt put him anywhere near madara, hashirama, tobirama or prime hiruzen. Minato hasnt proven not once that his him. He dies like a bum, on top of him being retconed to being a sage and kcm which doesnt even make sense. He was died how died he learn kcm. If he had sage mode why he never use it. Man get the heck outta here. But mind you i do absolutely hate minato and my opinion is completely biased.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Why is Tobirama near as fast as minato
@quayshawndameron1349
Ай бұрын
@Virhtue speed doesn't mean crap to high level fighters rofl. Tobirama is faster than madara and hashirama but guess what? Still will get clapped
@chadbushell
25 күн бұрын
Okay.. I'm seeing alot of the same comments and I just want to point out that destructive capability does not mean you auto win, especially in Naruto. Look at Kisame vs Bee. If he didn't have a sword that is designed to absorb chakra, Bee would've killed him with the first attack. Bee actually destroys Kisame's entire chest cavity at one point. We then have Kisame go on to get one shot by someone who didn't give chakra out like Jesus, that being might Guy. So based on this triangle alone, does this mean Guy is stronger than Bee in 7th gate? Absolutely not. Hirudora is cool, but Bee can fire off multiple bijuu dama. I say all this to say Minato may not be able to do things that Hashirama does, but winning doesn't have to come by replicating Hashirama's kit. You also seem to forget how FTG works. All the talk of Hashirama taijutsu skills but you didn't mention Minato can mark him early on and then what is sage mode good for? Will Hashirama direct the hands at his own construct to take out Minato and himself? I'll leave off with this. Sage Hashirama got blitzed by blind Madara and got his senjutsu chakra stolen. Sage Minato who says he's not that good, almost blitzed an on guard Juubi Madara.
@kemsolid
2 ай бұрын
Looking forward to this one!
@Archer170
2 ай бұрын
9:40 hes doing that as an Astro projection ,and kushina chaining up the 9 tails with her special chains.Minato proved he couldn’t solo the 9 tails and survive in a real life fight. And if anyone says he could of lived yes ,but he him self still couldn’t physically beat the 9 tails if kushina had to restrain it for the sealing jutsu to take place.
@aymanriki1018
2 ай бұрын
yea it was clear minato couldnt take nine tails head on, hashirama casually took on kurama and armored susanoo in base
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
The astral projections are implied to be accurate and bee states your weaker in the mental state
@odogg6899
2 ай бұрын
Very well thought out and explained. I agree. Excellent video.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@Eliras24
Ай бұрын
Question for the "speed blitz" people: with which attack Minato could actually decapitate (anything less would be healed immediately) Hashirama? Seriously, a kunai? A rasengan? Hashi was PETTING the very thing that destroyed Minato (Kurama) at the point he had to sacrifice his life and soul to seal it. Also petting it while ON TOP fighting madara's perfect susanoo. We should check on durability stuff to actually thing if anything in Minato's arsenal could actually even injure Hashirama.
@akiraman7664
2 ай бұрын
The minato glazing is insane
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
No glaze ever
@ImJsB1
2 ай бұрын
This shit ain’t close at all. 😂
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
Closer than you think.
@ImJsB1
2 ай бұрын
@@___________0Z0Xhell no.
@somersaultinggiraffe1901
Ай бұрын
@@___________0Z0XHashirama breathes and Minato vaporizes alongside the 30 acres of land he's standing on
@___________0Z0X
Ай бұрын
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 no, that would be if Goku breathed lol.
@RA1JIN07
Ай бұрын
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 yet minato outpsed in the war and has wins cons that he can use to be above him lmao come get your mans
@thegrandyata
2 ай бұрын
I like both these fucks, so this video is a W no matter What. Cant wait to jump in!
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@voyeurtube7008
Ай бұрын
Of course Hashirama is stronger, but strength isn't always what determines a fight. Shikamaru was always weaker in every fight he's been in.
@Virhtue
Ай бұрын
True that!
@orochimarupr
Ай бұрын
What team has a better chance of winning all healthy Team 1 Mianto and tobirama vs Hashirama Team 2 Shisui and Itachi vs Ems madara
@As-pp1rm
Ай бұрын
Lol! The day someone dumb enough to tell me that minato can defeat kyubi+susanoo perfect and madara Em's at the same time alone it will be a debate. Lol even minato was scared of 14years obito. Even tobirama slams minato mid diff
@MOP15321
Ай бұрын
Great video. Finally someone else thinks kcm minato could be hashirama
@Virhtue
Ай бұрын
Thank you
@RoyalRay7hwi01amqwro
Ай бұрын
L take
@dominicbastian7684
Ай бұрын
Idk why anyone is bringing up how the 9 tails killed Minato. Hashirama’s wood style is a direct counter to tailed beast chakra. Sure he’s incredibly powerful, but it’s not the feat people think it is
@Virhtue
Ай бұрын
agreed they be saying “well hashirama beat up Kurama and Kurama killed minato” like that actually tracks😭😭
@yukotrey9422
2 ай бұрын
Well I’m not finna watch a half an hour video of the most obvious stomp but I will say cuz a lot of people in this comment section are scaling that Hashirama just haxex out the nine tails. I think full powered Kurama and Hashi are a lot closer then people would think
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
You might be onto something, because he says that Naruto in KCM has almost as much chakra as him.
@Redoren966
2 ай бұрын
16:34 PRetty sure people mention this was during the middle of the fight as you see similar injuries on Hashirama's face after the fight
@childe7556
Ай бұрын
Nah minato will get smashed easily, but ill pick him anyday everyday just because he does not have any stupid ass bloodline buff, tailed beast buff, reincarnation buff, and any of that naruto bullshit plot armor shit. He straight up just that guy who is a genius
@UNKNOWNL3G3ND
2 ай бұрын
People forget that Minato actually lived up to his name as one of the strongest Shinobi alive. KCM 2 Minato easily competes with Hashirama and can even beat him.
@some_shitposting_idiot3023
2 ай бұрын
Yeah and hashirama also lived up to his name as god of shinobi.
@Elimbi1
Ай бұрын
Why is this video even a thing? Like none of base minatos abilities do any meaningful damage to hashirama (except maybe reaoer death seal). And sage/kyubimode minato gives him a fighting chance , but honestly he will still gas out. Only way i see him winning is kyubi mode +teleport a kyubi bomb right onto hashiramas face. And i could see hashirama even surviving that.
@Y0da23
2 ай бұрын
Minato had to defend a village and handle Kurama at the same time. If it was open field Minato could have teleported the bijuu bomb back at Kurama instead of another area. That and his seal game is very good. The same situation happened with Gaara. Deidara was down bad and tried to blow up the village to create an opening to attack Gaara. If there is nothing to defend both fights are very different.
@Mr.Lubbox-Lobsterlegz1
2 ай бұрын
The strongest Hokage of modern times Vs the strongest Hokage of all time
@austinbrianbowers
Ай бұрын
Agree with it all, thanks again for another informed video. Your content is my downtime. Also, wanted to commend you for the “Glory to God” in your bio.
@Virhtue
Ай бұрын
My Heavenly Father did it all
@The_Frozen_One637
2 ай бұрын
OK so I don't agree with the people counting Minato taking the L vs the 9 tails due to context...he didn't lose in a head to head battle, he died protecting Naruto. THAT BEING SAID I just don't think Minato has the AP to deal with Hashirama. He'd be brushing the dust off his armor just like Madara after he tanked that attack from Temari.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
I agree, I never counted that as a loss but a victory at the cost of his life
@meburritoloco7475
2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Minato speed blitz Hashirama, but doesn't have any real way of doing any damage to him. Hashirama just has to clock Minato once and I think it's over, but good luck doing that. Maybe Minato wears him down overtime, but I don't know how this plays out
@blackxel6414
Ай бұрын
Man the Minato glazing gotta stomp, Minato has no wincons
@sageofthickcalves
2 ай бұрын
Virhtue dropping is always a W
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
True
@LegenHarryThing4076
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama is just above minato because he can regenerate beyond any medical ninja can, without he's regeneration..... Even if he used deep forest emergence.... he'll only gave him more field advantage since minato will be able to hide alot of his teleportation kunais from ambiguous places. And also for all the guys who says he lost to kurama, you guys have the smallest amount of attention span as he is killed because he really is planning a suicide since sealing a tailed in he's drained state is somewhat a death sentence. These match would end if hashirama went full scale which will contribute to he's fall, sage mode is debatable
@globalphantom6928
Ай бұрын
The only way kvm minato would win is is he just teleported rapidly while spamming bike bombs but even then is just unfair for minato he gets bodied
@CH1C4N0444
2 ай бұрын
What I actually listen to at the gym
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Interesting
@CH1C4N0444
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue Gets me through these DB Incline Bench Press sets (105lb/hand for 2 sets of 5)
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
@@CH1C4N0444 what about Thunder bark?
@CH1C4N0444
2 ай бұрын
@@___________0Z0X Woof God knows I lift
@jiiova1
2 ай бұрын
I feel like anybody with perfect sage mode can conter minato That why ppl think minato edo could beat madara edo but not hashirama even if they are same tiers
@MrBrianpdj
Ай бұрын
If Hashirama gets tagged, it’s over. But Hashi takes this 7/10 times.
@mmltpb14
2 ай бұрын
Kcm minato > hashirama is a massive W. Too many people think the opposite. Liked the base vs base comparison too.
@QuietRiot3991
2 ай бұрын
Minato was given the title "Yellow Flash" and literally had a flee on sight order which means exactly what it sounds like. Nobody was to attempt to engage him in battle or assassination. Very few characters can match or surpass him before so6p. However, Hashirama is one of the few and the proud that do outscale Minato. The man was called "God of Shinobi". Nuff said.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Minato = greatest in Godlike speed
@thegrandyata
2 ай бұрын
Video was pretty good. Subbed
@Redoren966
2 ай бұрын
Were you aware there is a video saying sage mode Naruto beats Minato
@Archer170
2 ай бұрын
They’re on the same tier.
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
@@Archer170Um, no. One beat obito and the other would lose badly.
@Jusaguywithbrain
2 ай бұрын
@@___________0Z0XObito lost cuz of Minato's hax
@NarutosRasengan5
2 ай бұрын
@@Jusaguywithbrainand there’s the fckin answer bozo what makes you think Hax doesn’t count in battle 😐 hell Obito is literally walking Hax himself stop saying stupid shit😂
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
@@Jusaguywithbrain Didn’t Obito winn all of his fights because of his hax😭😂🤡?
@trell_a
2 ай бұрын
I powerscale MCU before I started with anime, and I kinda struggled to explain what an Einstein Rosenbridge was, when Bruce brought it up in Ragnorok😅 So, I just copied and pasted the same explanation from the same KZitem vid everytime.
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
W
@Michael-wj8pe
2 ай бұрын
Before i watch this video, I'm going to give my thoughts. Minato is not as strong as Hashirama but he is cetainly faster. I believe most of Hashirama's arsenal would be a non factor in a fight against Minato as his jutsu are designed for large scale combat. However this does not mean Minato wins. We know based on Madara's glazing during his fight against the 5 kage, that he states he knows Hashirama's healing capabilities. Stating that he could heal from lethal wounds similar to Tsunade. This implies Madara was the greater combatant as he doesn't have the luxury to tank attacks to the same degree as tsunade. So he should be slightly below to Madara's combat speed. Madara also states that Tobirama once boasted the fastest speed. Whether or not you think Minato is faster than Tobirama, you can at the very least state they are relative. Furrhermore Minato's body flicker was fast enough to reach to the battlefield before the other kages and detour to deflect the bijuu bomb the juubi in base. We also know from the Minato one shot, a heavily fatigued and critically injured minato was able to match a full ninetails that was supressed by Kushina. With that being said, i dont think Minato wins. He may be faster and he is strong but nothing he has can definitively put down Hashirama whoms healing factor is boasted to be on par or greater than Tsunades. I say 7/10 Hashirama wins
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Depends on the form for sure aswell
@iliebalica4012
2 ай бұрын
Facts: Hokage Minato = Raikage Ay. The arsenal makes the difference if you pot them against other charakters. And the minato novel is Not canon... Han and Roshi used an Avatar to fire Bijuudamas. KCM Minato looses against Sage Hashirama mid diff.
@owensilva9224
2 ай бұрын
Minato is easily one of the most overrated Naruto characters.
@avalac7412
2 ай бұрын
People are just blind, hashirama would literally destroy Minato and low diff him 😂 how are they even convinced based off what we’ve seen that he stands a chance against hashirama or madara at all
@jakeryan5099
2 ай бұрын
@@avalac7412low diff? Hashiramas gonna have a hard time tagging him he perfected tobiramas ftg which basically counters most of hashirama jutsu his intelluct beat a awakened Magenkyo sharingan user his first time meeting him
@demistar7965
Ай бұрын
Hmmm so one will either seal the other away or kill the other one 😂
@t-rizzle0509
Ай бұрын
Minato wins if he was able to live out his life
@Professor_Fiction
Ай бұрын
The one who became Hokage wins
@horoztr87
Ай бұрын
Sage Hashi, Has deffinitly the edge altough it is stated that these guys also trained after death in other dimensions by non cannon facts and obvious reasons of logic, so Hashirama with this Arsenal and beyond, can do the same as Bsm Minato which he self stated and ur showed as he used Sage mode combined Bijuu mode first time in real battle and is not comprehending it, even a shadowclone in Naruto Kurama Domain included a Minato shadowclone to guide Naruto in need when the time was ripe and merged with the Edo Minato back, who had all the info needed shown in Fourth great ninja war, and with this logic someone called God of Shinobi would do it with back of his hand.
@Virhtue
Ай бұрын
Hashirama never trained in death wtf, Minato just had Kurama so they bonded
@thiagocavendish2928
2 ай бұрын
Kcm Minato >> Sage Hashirama > Sage Minato
@willg1088
Ай бұрын
Kcm minato is no where near hashirama even without the sage mode
@joshfarrow9707
2 ай бұрын
Madara is above Obito in every category, don't put them on the same level. Madara and hashirama have the durability to take any damage Minato could cause.
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
*Madara’sSusano.
@TheAwsomeManny
2 ай бұрын
It’s really a matter if Minato’s speed can beat Hashirama’s combat speed. And yes originally Minato was supposed to be the strongest Hokage which is why Hiruzen took down his coffin first instead of Hashirama’s during the Konoha crush when he was fighting Orochimaru
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
I dont agree with the idea of Minato used to be, its kind of the same level tapering off due to Naruto’s narrative of surpassing Minato in certain attributes
@newaceoftheuniverse5948
2 ай бұрын
I need a you misread video on kcm naruto killer bee and edo itachi vs edo nagato because there are many things people miss and downplay nagato but in reality nagato lost because of kabuto not because he was weak
@___________0Z0X
2 ай бұрын
I think thunder god did a video about that.
@_JonJon_
2 ай бұрын
Perfect video fam. You’re one of my favorite power scalers. I just wanted to note that Minato kinda did use FTG 10 times. 1. Teleport away from obito after obito first attacked naruto 2.Teleport back to his place to put down naruto. 3. Teleport kushina back home to naruto 4. Teleport biju bomb. 5. Teleport away from obito 7/8/9 Teleported in fight with obito, once when caught in the chain, once to use rasengan, then after he tagged him, he teleported to the seal to separate the 9 tails from him 10. He teleported him, kushina, and the nintails out of the village(keep in mind how much chakra it takes to teleport mass objects such as the ninetails.) Anyways good video 💯
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Some of these could be body flicker but I agree
@ExoticZah
2 ай бұрын
It’s too much glazing going on in this video…. Minato shouldn’t be in the same conversation as Hashirama… ever
@arminsatari7408
Ай бұрын
Hashirama>>>>>minato>>>>>>>>∞ tobirama
@shreymalik2531
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama wins 7/10. Minato is my favorite character and great video but there’s no way to take out alive base hashirama because of healing factor. Without it Minato wins 6/10 in base forms, both in sage mode hashirama wins 8/10, edo base hashirama 6/10, and KCM vs sage edo hashirama minato wins 7/10
@ImJsB1
2 ай бұрын
He wins 9/10.
@decepticonsforever
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama heals whatever quick draw attack Minato dishes out (if you allow them to know each other's location at the beginning). After that, the 1st is pulling out all that wood style nonsense that simply overwhelms Minato. Wood clones, dragons, golems, etc, it's too much raw power.
@zefem
22 күн бұрын
Hashirama low diffs the yellow piss
@RRYmelzz
2 ай бұрын
Doesn’t minato has safe mode ?
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, that’s why I talked about Sage vs Sage
@JeffreyCampbell-zo7su
2 ай бұрын
Alive Hashirama> Alive Minato even if You gave him KCM The strongest edo (the main ones): Hashirama> Madara> Minato> Nagato> Itachi > hiruzen => tobirama
@Archer170
2 ай бұрын
Put Tobirama over Minato lets get this argument going.
@aymanriki1018
2 ай бұрын
@@Archer170 he can't even go over hiruzen lol
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Bro had madara > Minato and Itachi below Nagato
@JeffreyCampbell-zo7su
2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue i didnt get? Hashirama Madara And Minato are Def The top 3 The others are more contentious, But Nagato And Itachi Def above The other remaining ones
@Archer170
2 ай бұрын
@@aymanriki1018Man Hiruzen didn’t do a damn thing but throw a big knife.Meanwhile tobirama is tagging jubito 3 times,minato’s going for one solo attempt and losing an arm.Man needed his father Tobirama to help him combo.And asked him to FTG his 9 tails avatar.KCM Minato’s showings making him look below Tobirama.
@allmight3221
2 ай бұрын
Liked commented, and now i watch wat till now doubt be a banger of a interesting one from you
@Virhtue
2 ай бұрын
Wwwww
@ExoticZah
2 ай бұрын
Hashirama no diffs him without sage mode
@LuiopK
2 ай бұрын
Minato vs Hashirama i seen this debate on Reddit before 😮
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