So one of the interesting details about Karlach's Infernal Engine that replaced her heart is that it is fueled by Soul Coins. While this presents the possibility that Karlach's Soul may have been absorbed into her Infernal Engine during Ceremorphosis, since as Withers/Jergal states, the Soul is destroyed when someone becomes a Mindflayer. This also provides a rather interesting possibility surrounding her new form, as other Mindflayers don't seem to connect to the intrinsic memories of others when consuming brains, but Karlach does. It's not clear whether or not she may also be consuming more than just their brain and potentially absorbing their souls as well. Just as her Infernal Engine once burned especially brightly when she fueled it with a Soul Coin, it's possible that that's an aspect of her current hunger. While this is a bit worrying, the fact that she retains all those memories and her Engine isn't overheating suggests that something unique may be occurring. It seems as though those memories are being retained and she's becoming intertwined with them in death. What that means for the souls of the deceased isn't entirely clear, and it's possible that they're all just being contained in her Engine rather than outright consumed, but that's likely still problematic for most souls who have a place in an afterlife. Of all the situations that can transpire in the end, I find Illithid Karlach's to be by far the most interesting.
@smallcorvid
2 ай бұрын
Unironically, she's the one mindflayer I'd stay with. I know she has my best interest out. And I will always be her little soldier.
@MattTheriot
7 ай бұрын
The burn out ending is perfect bittersweet ending for her character and story, and I almost half wish the devs hadn't given us an out. The Mind Flayer ending is really good too, forces you to question if that's really her, if this is a good ending, if this is what the old Kalach would have wanted outside of thinking she was saving the world and dying anyway. The Avernus ending needs work it's kind of janky. For 1, if you cleared the house of hope why not just go there? You're on the lava planes fighting demons instead of chilling in the house of hope why exactly? For 2, it is truly the good ending because you find blueprints in the epilogue to a forge, so presumably you will get to the forge, get a smith, fix her engine finally and go back to Baldur's gate. Effectively it's a 100% good ending with a 6 month interlude in purgatory, with the only annoyance that you have every reason to presume that is what happens but don't get to see it play out, so it feels unfinished. Also frankly Karlach made SUCH a big deal repeatedly, over and over, about not wanting to go back to Avernus, talking about how horrible it is, how she'd rather die, so it feels really weird that you can so easily convince her to go by just telling her, you don't even have to pass a check! Fixing the Avernus ending: Firstly there should be a check and more effort convincing her to go, and your conversations up until that point should matter. Like with Gale your conversations shape his decision at the end, but with Karlach, no matter what you say, at the end you can let her burn out or tell her to go to Avernus. Secondly Avernus should be worse than just "let's have some fun slaying imps" to explain her extreme reluctance. Thirdly, the house of hope needs to be addressed one way or another, maybe you are fighting your way towards it? Maybe it's now under control of Zariel? Idk, but it can't just be the easy out you're ignoring for plot convenience. It really sticks out to me so I'm kinda hoping the add to it in a patch or maybe even DLC, but I guess if they are fine leaving it a bit open ended, that is ok. Another option, I almost hate to say, is to completely remove the "We found Zariel's blueprints for a forge" thing in the epilogue, the entire premise was that her engine was un fixable and that's actually a pretty powerful story component that reflects real life, not everything is fixable, people get terminal cancer and stuff and you have to come to terms with it when there's no more options. In a "no forge" Avernus ending, it could be kind of a bittersweet situation like Persephone from Greek Mythology, where she spends 6 months in hell with Hades and 6 months on the surface. With Karlach it would be more like weeks/months fighting in Avernus with, based on the epilogue, single days spent on the surface. I kind of like that in terms of, she has this never ending battle she suffers through only to make the 1 day per month or whatever all the more sweet catching up with friends and living the life she wants to live, just only a small amount of the time.
@misekai6396
6 ай бұрын
the premise was never that her heart couldn't be fixed, it was that dammon couldn't fix it in the overworld even with the infernal iron. Karlach not wanting to go back doesn't really apply when taking into consideration you or wyll going with her. I absolutely agree on the house of hope point though. Especially if you non-lethal hope's sister in the raphael fight she is clearly very positive about you.
@MattTheriot
6 ай бұрын
@@misekai6396 It's a fair point that you and/or Wyll can change her mind, but Karlach is still dead set on not going back even after you romance her, based on dialogue, even after having Wyll in your party and him becoming the Blade of Avernus. The only thing she ever says that isn't explicitly no is one line where she says maybe if you ask her to consider it. And yes you are correct that it's never made 100% certain there's no fixing the engine but there is never a single lead indicating it can, by all expectations it can't, short of a miracle which Karlach says herself.
@misekai6396
6 ай бұрын
@@MattTheriot I mean there's a huge difference between saying you'd rather die in advance compared to while it is actively happening. Karlach's entire questline is indicating that it can be fixed, Dammon just wasn't able to and Karlach didn't want to go to avernus to try and fix it there. It's not that "it's never made 100% certain there's no fixing the engine." There is literally no indication at any point that doing so is impossible, just that Dammon can't and Karlach doesn't want to do what is necessary.
@miguelcondadoolivar5149
6 ай бұрын
One of Karlach's biggest problems in Avernus was the loneliness, which is solved by having Wyll and maybe Tav/Durge go with her. Being protected by friends means she is also less likely to be taken back to Zariel, which is something she dreads. Not just that, but the epilogue states Karlach and her companion(s) were actively looking for a way to fix the engine completely, with an assault on Zariel's forge being planned. I do agree that the House of Hope should have been given more consideration, though. Especially considering that Hope owes us a pretty big debt if we freed her.
@vinsklortho2008
6 ай бұрын
That kiss on squid Karlach's nose is so adorable! 😍
@aranyaphoenix
8 ай бұрын
This is so sweet! Literally anyone who said that mind flayers are soul-less and don't have any real feelings is SO WRONG!
@V15698
8 ай бұрын
nah her soul is already mostly gone and her mind is slipping into the base mind-flayer, I refuse to believe those words would ever come out of karlach, if she was truly in there she'd have gone to omellum since he was focused on altenative sources of nourishment
@ImPedofinderGeneral
8 ай бұрын
yeah, its very strange from the side of lore. Tadpole ate the person and stole its memories, and its new personality only resembles personality of eaten one because its remember its morale and targets. Old personality from stolen memories should degrade quickly because brain of sentient space squid works differently and have completely different stimules. Plus the soul of tadpole host is gone
@WyvernLP
8 ай бұрын
@@ImPedofinderGeneral What would that make Tav then considering you, as the player, are in command.. Bbbut of course we could use the logic that we're the metaphoric tadpole.
@khinzaw77
8 ай бұрын
@@V15698 This is actually not the case. Withers confirms that Karlach still has her soul. Similarly, if you kill yourself as Durge after becoming an illithid, Withers finds you in the Fugue Plane and is pleasantly surprised to have detected your soul there as it should not have been. You actually retained your soul. Withers also calls you a friend and says that this isn't the end of your story.
@JustSomeGith
6 ай бұрын
Late but I'm sorry, you're so wrong, compare what she says and how she talks here to her before, like it's 100% not her.
@joshuaseagondollar2495
2 ай бұрын
Why does this oddly feel like how my Gale run is going to end? Cause lets face it, we all know Gale will not hesitate to marry you if you become a Mind Flayer while romancing him, so it oddly makes some sense if you're playing as Gale and romancing Karlach for this ending to work. Well, either that or I'll have Gale become the Mind Flayer and head to Avernus with her afterwards.
@Sniff-Sniffa
8 ай бұрын
Dignified end lol Turning her into a slurpy
@bengunn9670
8 ай бұрын
Probably better than painful agony and oblivion. Assuming she would be unconscious in the process.
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