Happy thanksgiving everyone ;).One of my favorite new series this year, I thought it was a good moment to delve into Mindhunter. Thank you to Squarespace for sponsoring this video. Get your free trial and 10% of your first purchase at: www.squarespace.com/storytellers
@torinpk5752
6 жыл бұрын
Storytellers thank you for replying to my last comment on your last video, thank you once again and keep up the good work
@markant9534
6 жыл бұрын
Thanksgiving was originally a celebration of the killing on one day of 75,000 American indians! Serial killers just carried on where Americans like General Custer left off, dehumanizing people so in American minds people are easier to kill.
@haroendaoud5037
6 жыл бұрын
Ik vind je analyse echt geweldig en je accent 100% nederlands jij denkt precies overfilms series als ik dat doe alleen you got your facts straight
@elmojedburgh3481
6 жыл бұрын
Storytellers I Like Your Accent I Find It Unique And Special .
@elmojedburgh3481
6 жыл бұрын
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@katotheother
6 жыл бұрын
In the book, Mindhunter, John Douglas talks about an episode he had in a hotel room when he got real sick and delirious and crawling on the floor like an insect or something during the time he was conducting these serial killer interviews. I want to re-read that now to see if Holden's breakdown is another version of that breakdown. Holden's being triggered by Kemper hugging him was a great way to illustrate Holden's fear of getting too close, perhaps empathizing just a little too much.
@chadaitken5476
6 жыл бұрын
Kevin Cato. Thx Kevin. I'll look into it myself. Tench/standin.
@lesliedegnan
6 жыл бұрын
Kevin Cato I love that book!
@bsherwood4872
5 жыл бұрын
Chad Aitken everyone is ignoring you....idiot
@cerebrumexcrement
5 жыл бұрын
ive been on a mindhunter binge and i can feel a breakdown about to hit. i can handle so much darkness.
@kbilisoly9355
5 жыл бұрын
I saw on an interview that he wasn't really hugged by him
@lornaginetteharrison414
6 жыл бұрын
(Slightly Off Topic) Kudos to Cameron Britton, who plays Ed Kemper in Mindhunter. Just wow!
@chadaitken5476
6 жыл бұрын
Lorna. He was terrific. We even reshot the prison scene. I was the standin for Tench.
@vuyolwethuninah3312
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@bsherwood4872
5 жыл бұрын
Chad Aitken prove it dork
@Que11282
5 жыл бұрын
Lorna Ginette Harrison so true
@jimmy2k4o
4 жыл бұрын
He played Richard Jewell in manhunt season two Was great. This guy is a genius.
@daniel_netzel
6 жыл бұрын
I've always been fascinated by serial killers, I think David Fincher has it right when he said "We're all perverts". Excellent stuff my dude!
@octaviancaesarhibernicus4447
6 жыл бұрын
Film Radar I reckon I've seen every single serial killer documentary on KZitem at least 3 times over, I can't help it, it can't be healthy but I always put one on before I sleep at night. Not that they should be praised and at the end of the day they're plankton but I can't help it. Very interesting subject. You also have to wonder what the hell the connection is to America's Pacific North West. Very strange.
@Lisapizza789
6 жыл бұрын
David Fincher is incorrect; we are not “all” perverts.
@Lisapizza789
6 жыл бұрын
I love this show but the information is nonsense. It’s entertainment.
@daniellee1722
6 жыл бұрын
Lisa Sergentanis Then why are you here? It's safe to assume that you watched Mindhunter and / or enjoy watching stuff about serial killers. Some might think that's weird or perverted.
@Lisapizza789
6 жыл бұрын
Your reasoning skills leave much to be desired.
@spaghettimkay5795
5 жыл бұрын
The reason we are fascinated by serial killers is because most of us are physically quite capable of killing, but we think we couldn't do it mentally/morally. It's a form of self exploration to a degree, to see what we could perhaps become if we were to throw everything holding us back to the wind. To truly see the extremes of human ability in a certain way. The same way we are impressed by athletes, heroes and geniuses. Not just because of the things they can do, but to imagine HOW they could do it.
@Eva-vd8os
5 жыл бұрын
I think the same thing, I think it's a healthy way of testing your own boundaries and getting to know yourself in a way. The idea that we physically kill someone, the awareness that can go through you. Not being afraid to get in touch with a darker side of ourself.
@letsslayletsplay6525
5 жыл бұрын
jesus man, thats heavy
@jcse16
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, well put.
@BakaryD
5 жыл бұрын
@@Eva-vd8os WELL PUT.
@edibleresource7753
5 жыл бұрын
the use of the term "holding us back to the wind" says it all and no more need be said.
@0gr312
6 жыл бұрын
I know it's been said a million times, but Cameron Britton fucking NAILED Ed Kemper. Honestly one of the more impressive demonstrations of acting I've seen in a long time.
@yannick245
5 жыл бұрын
Why is acting today always about being the best copy?
@plainezaine5065
5 жыл бұрын
yannick245 I don’t think that’s necessarily true of “acting today” but it’s certainly something to be heralded. Besides this is usually said of those able to embody people thought to have “dark” or “complex” minds.
@christiancristof491
5 жыл бұрын
@@yannick245 What do you think acting is? This wasn't an exact copy by the way.
@user-wb8wy2nk6m
2 жыл бұрын
I love it so much! The ending episode of season one just blew my mind😱
@ZaxorVonSkyler
6 жыл бұрын
"He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you..." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
@WiseGuy508
6 жыл бұрын
*fights
@ZaxorVonSkyler
6 жыл бұрын
Wise Guy, fixed thanks!
@v.e2035
6 жыл бұрын
Zaxor Von Skyler thank you
@captainpinky8307
6 жыл бұрын
a over rated philosopher, for some reason people life to quote him
@stalker747alf7
6 жыл бұрын
wait wasn't the "gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you " from Lovecraft ?
@hebebebe139
4 жыл бұрын
That Led Zeppelin song that builds up while hes having the panic attack is amazing. This show is so well put together from every aspect
@Touhid
6 жыл бұрын
Good analysis pal. Kemper certainly deserves an Emmy. One of the best psychological crime thriller series after wire in the blood. Cant wait for S2......
@TheMusicLauncher
5 жыл бұрын
WHEN IS IT COMMING AAARG
@IanMcGarrett
6 жыл бұрын
The characters Holden Ford and Bill Tench are based on John Douglas and Robert Ressler, neither of whom became serial killers so I don't think that particular twist will crop up in the series.
@badaxtion1878
6 жыл бұрын
Because they think differently than me and I am curious
@CourtneyCoulson
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't think it's a case of seeing my dark side magnified, I'm not even sure I have one of those, I am fascinated by serial killers because I see behaviors that are so far beyond anything I can comprehend. How do they even imagine these horrible scenarios let alone want to act them out?
@badaxtion1878
6 жыл бұрын
Courtney Coulson exactly
@yunyunpilled
6 жыл бұрын
Courtney Coulson a suggestion to continue to understand what the video said your “shadow self” definitely watch Jordan Peterson and go down that rabbit hole. You will soon realize that anyone is capable of murder or worse put in the right circumstances
@CourtneyCoulson
6 жыл бұрын
Sure, in self-defense I think that's absolutely okay. But to get sexual thrills from enacting upon elaborate fantasies of abduction and torture are totally different. That's a very unique brain.
@xd-ko9oo
6 жыл бұрын
everyone is unique. i dont get your point
@TemporallyImpaired
6 жыл бұрын
Mindhunter's most interesting concept was the serial killers and super successful people like Gates have similar psychologies. Even if it feels obvious it is so fucking interesting!!!! Also, gr8 work on the video essay! Your essay made me think...
@ryan59480
6 жыл бұрын
TheThinkinGeek How are you seeing a connection between a serial killer and Bill Gates? Curious.
@TemporallyImpaired
6 жыл бұрын
The show mentioned that theory in, i guess, 3 episode. It's pretty interesting to think about.
@ryan59480
6 жыл бұрын
TheThinkinGeek What theory?
@TemporallyImpaired
6 жыл бұрын
The theory said that serial killers had similar psychology to that of highly successful people. The only difference was of their inclinations. Watch mindhunter episode 3 again, you'll notice it.
@howiebouthat3435
6 жыл бұрын
It's a well known fact. Look up the book 'Snakes in Suits'.
@Volvith
5 жыл бұрын
"You cannot become a good person until you contemplate how much evil you contain within you, it is not possible..." Today's society is obsessed with running from their own capacity for darkness. People look at the outcasts, the examples of terror given form, and run away from that, try to not associate themselves with that or else society will do it for them, ruining them. It's not the idea, it's the action that makes a man a monster. Perspective matters. Truth matters. If you cannot see within yourself the actions of a monster, you cannot act the ideas of a saint. We are taught that comparing yourself to others, or others to you is wrong, at least to some extent. Call it envy, jealousy, whatever you want to call it. It is the single most important trait of mankind, the capacity for observing a phenomenon, and reflecting it on their own sense of self. So, let me propose a challenge of sorts: Instead of recoiling upon the horrors of society, the school shooters, the serial killers, genocidal maniacs and religious cultists, look closer. Try to find within them their spark, look for what drives their actions. Only then, do you find perspective, only then, can you truly know what in our society, we think of as good. Try to think: "What if that were me... Could i do the same?". ... You might think this to be the road to evil, but not only is it not that, society might become healthier because of it. _"A moral compass points not towards good, but away from evil. Know your enemy, and all that..."_
@aaliyahrammstein6674
4 жыл бұрын
As much as it would be nice for this idea of yours to work, sadly it doesn't. Doing this only makes the "empathizer" open to exploitation from the person who has done harm. A great example of this in cartoons is the relationship between how Harley Quin was made from the Joker in the 90s Batman cartoon series. Also, real life monsters. I tried doing what you recommended when I was younger. I don't want to go into specifics, but I didn't help ANYONE no matter my good intentions. Long story short the monsters in my life ruined my life financially, physically, mentally and spiritually. And I was lucky to get away alive. What you recommend Is not only going to endanger peopIe, but more than likely, get someone killed. Just so you know.
@milesbeler3974
4 жыл бұрын
@@aaliyahrammstein6674 There is a difference between empathizing and acting upon that empathy. Detectives empathize with their target, but then detach and subdue the monster they hunt. What the commenter above was describing was the Jungian process of "shadow work" which is a necesary, but painful step in the individuation process, so that you run away from from your real potential for evil and towards your potential for good.
@oneill765
3 жыл бұрын
Integrate your shadow as Carl Jung said
@TheDiscardedImage
6 жыл бұрын
Love Jung's shadow concept! You're definitely right that Holden is unleashing his subconscious in those interrogations. Haven't heard these theories about Holden becoming a killer himself. Unless Fincher abandons the project and it all goes to hell, I'm confident that's not going to happen - as they are adhering to a sense of realism. And it looks like (unlike House of Cards) he will continue being hands on throughout, so fingers crossed for that. If the rest of the series is as good as this season it'll be up there with shows like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, etc.
@GabrielTheMagolorMain
6 жыл бұрын
The Discarded Image If you’re interested in the shadow, there’s a book called Meeting the Shadow that has Jungs work as well as others. I read it in college, I actually read it, which means a lot for an undergrad English course. This video totally took me back to that!
@WhitneyDahlin
2 жыл бұрын
What's interesting to me is that serial killers only exist in certain countries. The United states, japan, Korea, the UK, Australia, Russia you never hear about serial killers in Norway or Egypt or Israel or the Philippines. Why? I remember watching a documentary on legal prostitution in Amsterdam and the journalist was from the United States and asked the working girls if they feared for their safety in this line of work and they just laughed and said no we don't have such things as serial killers here so we don't have to worry about it. So why is that? Do they have serial killers but they just lack the technology to find them or connect the cases? Jack the ripper was the first confirmed serial killer. Why? What was going on specifically then that created a serial killer? I really feel like there's some connection here but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. It can't be capitalism because one of the worst serial killers came out of Soviet Russia. What is it? What do all these countries have in common?
@daniellye6820
5 жыл бұрын
I know for some people, Holden turning into a serial killer seems logical but let me just assure you that he will NOT be turning into a serial killer
@MBro3
4 жыл бұрын
@@horrorncrime555 Interesting take on the script, although I read somewhere that Fincher is only considering 5 seasons for the show's run but be it how of a slow burn the show is paced . I dunno man i can't even call it a slow burn cuz its much better then that, this is a very unique show that examines our human psych through the main story characters and the real life crimes and I love the fact that i haven't seen anything on television like this in a long time. anyway I just don't think his going in with such an elevated pace . even though they just released the actors from their contracts since Fincher is busy on another movie. wish he doesn't leave it here and move on to do other things... plus we're probably gonna die of a goddamn Virus spread... life is strange what can I say
@ay__mt13
4 жыл бұрын
Friquido well the person who tench is based on didn’t have a son who watched kids kill another, so idk, could happen
@versversa8083
Жыл бұрын
it would beat the possibility of us choosing to stay sane…it wouldn’t make sense…Holden is party all of us being afraid of being similar by personality with these serial killers, being arrogant to think that we could just talk to a serial killer and holding on for dear life to good, morally right concepts…
@hoibsh21
Жыл бұрын
He needs to go to the gym and build himself up to become an efficient serial killer.
@bingbongjoel6581
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Serial Killers existed in ancient human civilization, like ancient Egypt or Greece. Or if they were too busy killing each other 'officially' in wars and such.
@weirdviking3481
5 жыл бұрын
No i think media pushed and created serial killers. Gave them a voice.
@Undesignedd
3 жыл бұрын
I think they have always been existed.
@icedwhitechocolatemochafra9851
2 жыл бұрын
@@weirdviking3481 you probably believe video games cause school shootings
@saintedheathen6182
2 жыл бұрын
Serial killers represent our desire for complete freedom. Especially from our own emotions & thoughts
@Beforethecredits
6 жыл бұрын
Hey, thats me you mention at the end of the video, Im glad I could help and I do like serial Killers the BTK cameos throughout were awesome.
@jamesward1210
6 жыл бұрын
Your comment started out cute, and then progressively got creepier in an extraordinarily fluid way.
@Beforethecredits
6 жыл бұрын
That is what I was going for. 😉
@dickdurkin2895
6 жыл бұрын
lol
@PujashreeSharma
6 жыл бұрын
I was very happy when I realized that I had a shadow-self, and that the shadow-self can do more harm than good if provoked, but the important part is that I CHOOSE to be good and provide for society. It was very freeing, also many people should accept that part of themselves instead of acting like Mr. Goody Two Shoes who can never say or do a wrong thing. Loved the video, thanks :)
@theRiver_joan
6 жыл бұрын
God damn you keep on putting out videos that are extremely relevant to what I'm reading and what's going on in my life somehow Amazing work.
@HealthyAndrew
6 жыл бұрын
Joseph molina don't ever say goddamn ever again. Eradicate that fucking blasphemous word from your vernacular
@cappzap
6 жыл бұрын
HealthyAndrew triggered much
@SwerveNation
6 жыл бұрын
HealthyAndrew how you gonna tell another person to remove it from there vernacular when it's the way there country speaks? You cant change a the way a whole country talks dumbass.
@thelegendkillersshittyduff1335
5 жыл бұрын
@@HealthyAndrew god doesn't give a shit if you use it or not
@applesauce504
6 жыл бұрын
This series is fucking awesome!
@chadaitken5476
6 жыл бұрын
Crimson Soul. Wait until season 2? 😳. Tench/standin.
@lettherebelamp5102
6 жыл бұрын
It's not easy making this good of a video. It's hard work.
@robpolaris7272
5 жыл бұрын
I certainly wouldn't say "like". I think when a person acts in a way that makes no sense to us we want to understand how that happens. Just in the way people stare at car accidents, we are both curious how and why it happened. However, by seeing something that could have happened to us but didn't we are also comforted that it is not us.
@PanteraRossa
6 жыл бұрын
I love your videos but I’m sorry to disagree with this one. Fincher has said repeatedly that the show isn’t about serial killers and why the public is interested in them, it’s about someone finding himself, becoming self aware and exploring his own existential malaise, mirroring the institutional existential crisis at the FBI in the post Vietnam, post Civil Rights, post Watergate, Son of Sam, etc. The reason most people get turned off by this show is precisely that everyone says it’s this thing but it isn’t. This is a show where its every intent attempts to destroy the idea of serial killers as a story genre, or genius villain thing like in Seven. This is about Quantico and this young naive man trying to find a place in a world that has changed much too fast for him and the office he works for. Fincher had repeatedly he hates the idea of “oh look how similar we are to these guys”, that’s not what they want for the show AT ALL.
@thaaqibabrahams4095
10 ай бұрын
There is no right or wrong way to interpret media. As soon as its released to the world, no matter what the artist says, all the ways its interpreted are the right ways, because that's art. I dont even disagree with what you think it is lol, I just think it's funny how you can call someone wrong just because you heard Fincher say something else. Fincher already said something through the show. What he says after doesn't matter nearly as much, the work is already done
@dawngrrrl
6 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I've been fascinated by serial killers since I was about 8 years old. It started because they were/are my greatest fear. It became more complicated as I got older, although the simultaneous fear/fascination remains. How monstrous we can be; it's astounding.
@memicoot
6 жыл бұрын
FINALLY someone is talking about MindHunters and how awesome it is!
@trquizo1054
Жыл бұрын
Was a great show, I recently came across it last year and can't believe they cancelled it...
@BramsCommando
6 жыл бұрын
"Manson is not a serial killer" - I respect you for that
@lumilad
6 жыл бұрын
I think that Holden's breakdown will be handled similar to real life events. He is loosely based on John Douglas, so probably he will have crisis of 'faith' in his work. He might burn all his studies, but later overcome this and come back with more confidence. I would really love to this develope like that. Although, I trust the creators to come up with something even more awesome. Thank you for including Jordan Peterson.
@hye-chungehring4065
5 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Jordan is the most useless human talked about extensively
@christiancristof491
5 жыл бұрын
@@hye-chungehring4065 Altough i agree with you to an extent, in this case there was some use to him. :)
@claudis.4015
4 жыл бұрын
I must thank this channel and this video in particular. You guys made me aware of Mindhunter. And after being hooked after the first scene already it has become one of my favorite shows. Thank you!
@suicidebummer4376
6 жыл бұрын
I liked Mindhunter. For those who may not know, the character supporting the main actor Bill Tench is based on Robert Ressler the FBI operative who is generally credited with the term 'serial killer' and interviewed a lot of high profile serial killers and wrote a book on his experiences "He who fights monsters". Highly recommended.
@chadaitken5476
6 жыл бұрын
Suicide Bummer. Glad u liked it! Any insight I can help with let me know. Tench/standin.
@theguardian8317
6 жыл бұрын
I came to learn about some random movie or TV show I never heard of before and I ended up learning about myself and people Love this sort of videos
@nightsofcandy
6 жыл бұрын
What drew be to behavioral science was the scientific, data driven approach to psychology, as opposed to a philosophical one. Seeing Mindhunter and it's viewers interpreted through a jungian perspective is tragically ironic.
@Crickethill
6 жыл бұрын
I have to agree. Also, I don't think that, what draws society to serial-killers some jungian "shadow-self", but that they are often highly functional and charismatic people. Sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists. It is telling, that the rate of people with these disorders is above average in CEOs. We are drawn to those figures, because they are confident and charismatic and intelligent, but all these traits are also part of the causes why they became serial-killers or criminals.
@Armendicus
6 жыл бұрын
@Crickethill Yeah, I think it's that we're trying to figure out why they do it, what they are thinking , and how to spot em (most importantly). It's also the same reason we're attracted to large terrifying predators (lions , tigers, anacondas,etc) and stories of monsters that hunt humans.
@michelleduval27
6 жыл бұрын
Still good video
@mcghieski
5 жыл бұрын
Behavioral science seems odd as an outside observer. How do you isolate variables in humans and then control those variables to generate unbiased data? I assume that you can only really aggregate human behavior and analyze trend lines? Must be a lot of 'noise' in your data.
@christiancristof491
5 жыл бұрын
I don't see why should one thing exclude the other. :)
@ReStOrEdLiFe88
6 жыл бұрын
This show alongside with Hannibal is number 1 on my top list. They both explore the same topic. Holden Ford and Will Graham are diving into the Jung's "Shadow Self" (though Graham goes way more into it), both of them, through the interaction with serial killers or profiling them, discover their own darkness. I find that fascinating, and I agree with Jordan Petersen on that point.
@christina1383
4 жыл бұрын
Iv always found killers and other criminals very compelling and fascinating, and i hope to either be a behavior anaylist in the FBI, or a forensic psychologist one day.
@daltonthomas5723
6 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that it not only showcases and profiles these characters-and maybe even us-but it will also focus on Holden's pursuit of the BTK killer-the man burning the photos.
@josephine9975
5 жыл бұрын
I think it’s interesting because these studies have led to help, prevent and predict seriously violent and vicious criminal behaviour. The study of the mind, human behaviour, to see many serial killers perhaps didn’t have a childhood that different to other people who had never turned to serial killing, yet they did. It’s fascinating. Luckily, real people who have inspired these characters, dared to stare at them in the face and talked to them as more as mere monsters. Now, for me there’s a huge gap between that and saying I think what would it’d be like to be like them. Or do what they’ve done. Because it’s not in my DNA or behaviour to process life, childhood, family, trauma, sex, rejection, failure, dreams, control, fears and death they way they do. I don’t think it’s liberating as some concerning comments are wording it. And those who give it a thumbs up.
@Sam--506
6 жыл бұрын
Half way trough your video I stopped. 4 minutes if your analysis convinced me to watched the whole show. Now three days later I continued watching your essay. Thank you for amazing content.
@aliciadonadio2597
6 жыл бұрын
Hey thank you for this video. I love your movie analyses. Also thank you for mentioning the shadow self and Peterson's approach that you have to acknowledge the evil in you to truely embrace the good. This is a conviction I've held for a long time but was never really able to articulate. I also agree with your interpretation that the protagonist probably broke down at the end of last season because his frightening encounter with the serial killer made him realize how narcicisstic he had become (e. g. becoming aware of his shadow self). So I too expect him to be more balanced mature and self-reflective in the next season.
@sebaa1095
5 жыл бұрын
"What strange places our lives can carry us to, what dark passages."
@riwaq-6205
6 жыл бұрын
Great video, I'm definitely gonna binge watch it sometime soon.
@a.w.v.w2553
6 жыл бұрын
Ahmet Kuvvetli I just did , at the beginning it gives you a glimpse of btk . He doesn’t surface he maybe the next series but it’s definitely him !
@sunsetman22
5 жыл бұрын
That season finale though.....just superb
@jennifereastep8017
6 жыл бұрын
Serial killers represent the darkest feelings and thoughts that all human beings feel and think to varying degree. The difference is that most people never act upon those thoughts and feelings and we find it curious as to why some go over the edge while the majority does not.
@docho11andaise80
6 жыл бұрын
Nice call out on Peterson's lecture on the shadow self. It's a good lecture and gives a clear understanding of what it means to be actually good vs. naive.
@rebeccaann5364
4 жыл бұрын
I am curious and I find serial killlers very interesting. What makes them do what they do.
@glassjaw2007
6 жыл бұрын
really good analysis, Mindhunter is a great series, and you nailed it very well!
5 жыл бұрын
John Douglas the author of Mindhunter who is the template for Holsen Ford had a massive attack in the late 70s/early 80s that was mostly due to being insanely overworked with both the classes and the project, so it stands to reason the pattern would be the same in the series. There’s no doubt this is going to be used to fuel the drama of the series, most likely in a positive way for Holden, as it did for Douglas, rather than a negative one.
@hohnjester9908
6 жыл бұрын
Finally!!!! After bingewatching this show way to quickly, i was waiting for you to make this video.
@Hippiethecat124
6 жыл бұрын
I feel like the scene with Holden and the shoes (and his whole plot in general) has more to to with being unable to seperate his job from his personal life, and being so strongly aware of the darkness in the world that it begins to taint every aspect of his life. The psychology of serial killers is a special interest of mine, but I'm also a painfully sensitive person. By researching what I'm fascinated with, I've traumatized myself (not to throw a pity-party - I enjoy studying these things and trying to figure out methods of treatment that could help budding killers). I relate Holden's decent into the dark side to my own, down to the sexual hangups from what he's seen. It's always in the back of your head to some degree, and little things will remind you of the horrors. I think his breakdown at the hospital was him finally confronting in a very real and visceral way what had previously been an interest to him now becoming interested *in* him.
@GabrielTheMagolorMain
6 жыл бұрын
Carl Jung! Our shadow selves...undergrad sophomore English we read a book, Meeting the Shadow, which has Jung and a collection of similar works. I haven’t thought about that text in forever. If you haven’t read it, I have a feeling you’d love it, although it probably has a lot of work you are familiar with. Thanks for the awesome videos!
@briansinger5258
6 жыл бұрын
Just going to like this and watch it later. (...it's either predictable that it'll be good or I have no ethical principles.)
@danethenice
6 жыл бұрын
It is said that this is the first sign of becoming a serial killer.
@briansinger5258
6 жыл бұрын
I’m more of a Charlie Manson than a Ted Bundy.
@davidgarrett5242
6 жыл бұрын
Actually Edmund Kimper really did this to an FBI agent as a joke he says
@memicoot
6 жыл бұрын
Wow I knew Holden has changed a lot over the course of the show, but you've shown just how much he changed. I hadn't really caught that. I'm so glad someone is finally exploring how amazing this series is. I always keep thinking about the bar scene too, how Holden and Debbie's body language changes so much as they constantly re-position themselves to one another. Could you do a video on that scene?
@NKceller
Жыл бұрын
my pov relatable SKs are the ones demonstrating the biggest disregard for what society thinks with their actions before words, they seem the most real/authentic. But it's too much effort & pretty suicidal if you get caught so I wouldn't consider it, for many of them the cost didn't matter because the impulse was stronger. Regular people sympathize with & justify murder for their morally good reasons all the time then act shocked when humans do it stripped away from the moral layers, they just dont like it when it's done for a 'non-reason' that they partially contribute to
@kaktotak8267
6 жыл бұрын
Ed Kemper is by far my "favourite" serial killer, and I'm not even into that stuff. I'm not the kind who would research things about serial killers with all the details. It's just a topic I learned something about through wandering curiosity and my interest in the human mind in general. Ed Kemper is very outspoken, honest and clear. No inflated ego, no disturbed view of the world. A perfect example that both the Hollywood and the mainstream psychiatry view of serial killers is wrong.
@chadaitken5476
6 жыл бұрын
Kakto. He was really good Kakto. We had many takes of that interview and then reshot it again at the end. Any behind the scenes questions let me know. Standin for Tench.
@mranderson5668
5 жыл бұрын
There's something about how easy it is to talk with them. They easily open up to tell their story. Are there any serial killers who deny what they did?
@wolfe6220
Жыл бұрын
John Wayne Gacy, the guy who was arrested for the Atlanta child murders.
@dagmarlong8754
Жыл бұрын
@@wolfe6220 Wrong, the Atlanta Child Murders was Wayne Williams. But also John Wayne Gacy denied.
@wolfe6220
Жыл бұрын
@@dagmarlong8754 Thanks for catching that! I meant to say John Wayne Gacy AND the guy who did the Atlanta child murders (couldn't remember his name). That's what I get when I don't proofread, lol.
@LoneWulf278
2 жыл бұрын
The show needs to be continued IMMEDIATELY. I need it. I hate that it was canceled. 😩
@pimvanaert1907
6 жыл бұрын
Been watching Mindhunter and Jordan Peterson for a couple of weeks now so this video was particularly relevant for me right now. Great video! Greetings from a longtime subscriber from Belgium, you guys are doing a great job!
@DavisAshmon899
6 жыл бұрын
I’m hooked to the show, can’t wait for seasons 2
@modernsavage2584
5 жыл бұрын
Because they have interesting lives, they're always meeting new people in interesting places.
@TM-lp3lz
5 жыл бұрын
it's sad how much they've reduced holdon's role in season 2, and stopped focusing on his transition like you said.
@luckyzwrx
3 жыл бұрын
I'm so fucking mad that they cancelled this show. Stupid move Netflix.
@dwayneseidl431
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think "like " is the right word to describe this.
@renatawarec
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It's not that we like them,more like we need to see who to run from.i need to see what they look like & what they say.
@powerpuff_avenger
6 жыл бұрын
Joe. Leuk dat je Nederlands bent en toch zo'n goede video weet te maken (nee echt, tof!), maar het luistert (voor mij iig) fijner als het accent er niet zo dik op ligt. Het is echt heel duidelijk aanwezig en ik wist al bij de eerste zin dat je Nederlands was. Natuurlijk is Nederlands zijn goed ( :P ), alleen leidt een (zwaar) accent mij altijd af van de informatie en uitleg die gegeven wordt. Bij overdreven computerstemmen of Indiase/Franse/etc. accenten heb ik dit net zo goed. Hopelijk kun je wat met mijn feedback, keep up the good work gast! ;)
@greenman5229
Жыл бұрын
kinda sucks that it was canceled
@greenakutabi
5 жыл бұрын
I think, personally that you should always pay attention to the theme songs of shows. To the intro sequence and the title card. The tape recorder being set up in the intro sequence is for the viewer. Are you disturbed by the images spliced between? Why? Your answers will manifest as you watch the show. Masterful.
@prismcosplays1604
5 жыл бұрын
"They'll never be able to seperate Jekyll from Hyde." I believe that this quote from The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (the musical adaptation) is relevant in the situation of talking about your shadow-side - all adaptations of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is a representative of this fact, I'd like to stress that I'm not making a work of fiction into a philosophy, it simply contributes the the already existing and well-developed ideology. We cannot banish our dark sides no matter how strong the chemical, in all due course moral nature and immoral nature are inseperable and are bound to interact in combat or rather dance hand-in-hand; leading onto my initial point, past accounts will elaborate that as human beings, as people, we are never really clean. Some hold captive to smaller sins and others are exposed to larger ones, it's all the same because we all have them regardless whether we are the "Ignorance is bliss" peace-bringer who believes in hope despite it dwindling or the morbidly intelligent serial killer who can recognize the true nature of the cruel world.
@justinandrew7310
4 жыл бұрын
You know, you could just said we have to live with our choices good and bad and you would of made the same point without having to quote a bad book.
@skellymom
6 жыл бұрын
I think Holden was arrogant and started to get more narcissistic as he and his cohorts became more prominent in the agency. And, it was a normal reaction to becoming more famous and sought after for his information on serial killers. I also think he mistook Kemper's attention as Holden being the only person to get up close and personal and form a bond with the serial killer. Which also explains why he lost his shit at the end of the first season. All the things he thought about Kemper not hurting him because he was his "buddy" came crashing down. Suddenly he was vulnerable with Kemper approaching him in the hospital cell with nobody to intervene and stop his possible demise. He got a glimpse into just about the last thing Kemper's victims probably saw before he killed them. It's like all the horrible things Kemper told him during the interviews didn't click. But, in that moment of really feeling like a possible victim, it opened Holden's eyes to what Kemper really is. Not just an interesting subject to study, but a dangerous human being. That would shake anyone to the core. Holden really thought he was immune. But he surely wasn't.
@xxevilellisonxx
2 жыл бұрын
I can’t fucking believe more people don’t watch mindhunter.
@chillytoes1
6 жыл бұрын
i think his breakdown was him reaching the brink, he pretty much put everything into his work to actually lose everything, as he lost more and more of what was important and ground him the more he felt that he was being drawn into the dark depths of these serial killers.
@darcys2176
6 жыл бұрын
I always used to be obsessed with serial killers and I used to be proud of my "shadow". Over the past year, I've stopped caring about them and I don't even have a shadow, if I do then it is less prevalent than it was before. It's mostly a side-effect of no longer caring about justice or death, but it is so liberating. A year ago I used to have an obsession with whether certain types of people deserve death (as many people do) but now I wholeheartedly believe that we are all the same, serial killer or cop, we're all pretty shitty egotistic maniacs obsessed with changing the world as we see fit.
@anonballer31
6 жыл бұрын
Everyone goes a little crazy sometimes.
@nomararevir2170
6 жыл бұрын
It's very funny that i can talk about them so much n find so much about serial killers but can't put fourth that same degree of passion on a lot of things that could move my life forward.
@danielrotman7317
6 жыл бұрын
Dear Stroyteller, Please keep going with the amazing work. You are great at your view at cinema and life in general. Thank you. (Looking forward for the upcoming video)
@karonmcgregor4753
4 жыл бұрын
Holden is a "version" of John Douglas, and if you see interviews with him after 25 odd years as a profiler, he is "arrogant" only because he knows/understands these people, so to think that Holden would become a serial killer himself in season two seems a bit stupid in my opinion, otherwise how will they expect viewers to take the "storylines" seriously.
@orangewarm1
5 жыл бұрын
We dont like serial killers. If we were to meet one in real life it would be disturbing and scary. We're fascinated by serial killers because we want to understand how someone could do such a thing.
@sontornata
6 жыл бұрын
first time I see one of your videos, I really enjoyed and I just subscribed. I wonder if it could be possible for you to have subtitles: I am Italian and I am not sure if you are English mothertongue as well. So sometimes is harder to understand for me non native speeches. Sorry to underline it. Maybe it's just my problem. Eventually ignore it or delete my comment (no Problem ). Thanks for your work!
@wolfmayner6274
6 жыл бұрын
I couldn't help but also notice that the story of this first season is pretty representative of the Jungian concept of the overtaking of the shadow self upon the individual. Great video.
@thecowardford
6 жыл бұрын
I never put two and two together that they were hinting the guy planning his murder in the end is probably BTK. Now that you pointed it out, it makes sense and I feel stupid for not noticing.
@Munhuu923
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe Holden has become more arrogant by the end, but I wouldn't say "power hungry". At first it seems like he is gradually turning into one of those serial killers he interviews, but we should not forget that this is the time when nobody knew how to talk to these mentally "broken" people. I think the reason why he went nearly insane in the last episode is because of the stress which had piled up by time. Nobody wanted to understand what he was doing on deeper level and stand by his side till the very end. He is not a psychiatrist, he is just a pioneer/negotiator. So it is obvious that he would be really disturbed and lose his own mind by doing that. In addition, special agent Holden Ford's character is based on real life, currently retired, FBI profiler John Douglas who did not become a killer, providing that I highly doubt that Holden is going to become one in season 2. In conclusion, I say he's exploring both the unknown and his shadow persona simultaneously. Anyways, I like your videos, and thank you for taking time to make one for my favourite series on Netflix. ;))
@vanannavarasan4522
5 жыл бұрын
Good references. There is a reason why you subconscious mind is powerful and to be mindful to keep it balanced is necessary.
@thenotsodemocraticrepublic7731
5 жыл бұрын
What a CRIMINALLY underrated show
@cooperharris6992
5 жыл бұрын
Can we give credit to Led Zeppelin please. The last song was called in the light and was on the album Physical Graffiti great song
@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907
4 жыл бұрын
Great question! I think for me is that as much as I have reflected about my own anger and rage, I can feel good that I don't, nor am I close to acting such feelings out. So the fascination is listening to a serial killer and figuring out why I am different than this person because most assuredly I am. The fascination is how did they make what they did okay because a justification process has got to have taken place in order to do what they do. How does the objectification process take place to where people become objects to be manipulated. Some people take the most horrific fantasies and author books about them like a Stephen King. I guess for me in the end the fascination with serial killers is that it is a horrific thing that cannot be explained. It is a mystery...
@rogersledz6793
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
@cinnamonsquash
5 жыл бұрын
The music makes it more intense. Amazing choice!
@clementmartinez121
5 жыл бұрын
Serial killer has a dream,idea, notion, and as a perfectly ordinary thing want to see if the idea can be realized. Sin is not a barrier how much is the impulse to get it right supersede any mortal law or spiritual afterlife. Incarceration is to be avoided at all costs. It is messy but life is work.
@kattensjingo
5 жыл бұрын
I have always been fascinated about serial killers because they seem to do this stuff without minding the consequences
@mrkshply
2 жыл бұрын
Junge didn't mean Evil, capital E. He meant anti-socialness. Things that you don't share with others. Your guilt, your fear, your shame, your internet history
@VideosOfRandomContext
Жыл бұрын
“your internet history” 💀
@BurnEdOutOne
6 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of the reasons we enjoy this fare is preventative. At a primal level we feel that if we observe the horror and take it in mentally we may be able to avoid similar dangers and the fate of the victims.
@xlxfx
6 жыл бұрын
Most people like serial killers because it makes them seem deep, interesting, dark, alluring. It's a show. Other people don't 'like' serial killers; they like the mystery surrounding them, they're stimulated by the story. And that's just a case of curious minds enjoying puzzles. Anyone who actually 'likes' serial killers needs distanced and questioned. As for people who 'like' serial killer stories, we have to be careful what we mean by 'like'.
@LynnAp00
6 жыл бұрын
You really think most people pretend to like things that they aren't actually interested in? Especially something as socially inappropriate as murderers? Someone's out of touch..
@TheEsCoPoLaMiNa
5 жыл бұрын
Do we even LIKE serial killers? That's pretty far out. We can be fascinated by them, but then again, LIKE?
@lesliedegnan
6 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel & liked and subscribed after this video! Thanks, it was great! I can't wait until season 2 of Mind Hunter is out! :)
@maryrose8478
5 жыл бұрын
I am a very empathetic person who is too kind for my own good. I'm that annoying person that cries at sad movies and awws over babies and puppies. I go out of my way to help people sometimes to my own detriment. I'm fascinated by my polar opposite which is psycopaths/sociopaths.
@Truthshallsety0ufree
5 жыл бұрын
Holden will never become a serial killer. Fincher would never let the writting become so bad!
@taskd9146
6 жыл бұрын
30 seconds in, I close the video , Go to Netflix , Binge watch mind hunter Come back here to write this comment : Thank you so much for making this video cause Mindhunter is fucking awesome!
@MysticMavi
6 жыл бұрын
I was like..hmmm this guy must be Dutch. That's a strong Dutch accent. I was sure after hearing the pronunciation of the word 'but'. That's really something for Dutch people. Not in a bad way though. This video is so beautifully made. Keep them coming :)
@LovingTinha
5 жыл бұрын
because everyone has a killer inside of them that they are scared to understand, so they do it through other people, no risk, and you get to learn about what would happen to you if you would lose control and go full savage
@foxygrandpa98ism
6 жыл бұрын
Love "In The Light" by Led Zeppelin in the end. Sets an interesting atmosphere to the video.
@johnnybrookes
5 жыл бұрын
Probably wouldn't have included Peterson's lack of understanding about Jung in here tbh
@SarwatRattani
5 жыл бұрын
Loved the explanation and connections! Thank you for your work 😊
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