Minigunner was already a really good mid game tower so this is massive
@fusionplays6154
8 ай бұрын
yeah it is
@Aguy-dg1tc
8 ай бұрын
Tbh it was good late too when gold
@somnium291
8 ай бұрын
@@Aguy-dg1tc well i was talking about normal minigunner
@Leefbay
8 ай бұрын
Minigunner was just Mid before the Rework It's that A. Ranger (before rework) was better B. There's multiple towers to be used In Mid and Late Game that basically outshines Minigunner
@laisksjjsjs566
8 ай бұрын
@@Leefbayyou forgot how they murdered ace.
@delta_cosmic
8 ай бұрын
the lead detect also makes it viable for hardcore
@b.e.h7324
8 ай бұрын
@@Leeky-cm5netrue
@Finnn69
8 ай бұрын
@@Leeky-cm5nelead penetration seems fine too.
@SunnyPopsicles
8 ай бұрын
@@Leeky-cm5nethat actually makes more sense
@duckfromfortnite
8 ай бұрын
@@Leeky-cm5neit used to be lead penetration but its censored by roblox
@laisksjjsjs566
8 ай бұрын
It absolutely does not, if it was for level 1 or 0, maybe, but level 3, by the time you get it leads won't even spawn(ok they will spawn but there are other lead detection towers)
@DuckyMapping
8 ай бұрын
Let's clarify this, without the Commander or any firerate bonuses, a Level 5 Minigunner (Regular) is capable of outputting an impressive DPS of 92 (Due to the ROF Bug). Let's factor that a Level 5 Accelerator is capable of, on average, outputting a staggering 286 DPS. Let's consider that a Level 5 Accelerator costs 63.7 thousand dollars/pounds/coins without the DJ. Half of that being on the max upgrade, a Level 5 Minigunner costs around 20k dollars/pounds/coins. So you can get 3 Level 5 Minigunners at the cost of 1 Level 5 Accelerator, this means that at a cost of 60,000 (It's actually 59,700) the Non-Golden Variant of the Minigunner has a slightly lower value than that of the Accelerator (at max level), and it's off by around 15 DPS. Let's also consider that the Accelerator has a placement limit of 8. If you want the maximum DPS for the Minigunner then you will have 37 of them, and if you want to push it 36 due to DJ or Medic, 35 to both. 8x3=24 which means that if you have all of your Minigunners placed down, they will be capable of producing a DPS output greater than that of Accelerators. 24 at minimum is required to match it, 25 or 26 if you get technical. May I remind you, this is regular Minigunner, and what tower happens to have a Gold Perk? The Minigunner. A Level 5 Golden Minigunner is capable of producing the DPS output of 130 at max level, costing around 27,700 coins/dollars/pounds, this means that 3 Max Level Golden Minigunners have a DPS Output that surpasses that of a Level 5 Accelerator. 3 Golden Minigunners have a DPS of around 390, and again, 8x3 = 24 and 35x1=35 which means that Max Level Golden Minigunners have a DPS that overcomes the mighty Accelerator, and let's account the charge and damage cap on the Accelerator, the Accelerator is at Level 5 capable of dealing 3,000 Damage before requiring a recharge, the Minigunner's is infinite. Let's put this on a chart. Let's say a Base Minigunner has a strength of 1. 1 = Max Level Minigunner This means a Level 5 Accelerator has an approximate strength of 3. 3 = Max Level Accelerator According to this scale, a Golden Minigunner is around 1.4 1.4 = Max Level Golden Minigunner. Let's put this onto a scale. You are able to place: 40 G/No G Minigunners. 1x40 = 40. You are able to place 8 Accelerators. 3x8 = 24 The Golden Minigunners can also be placed 40 times. 1.4x40=56 Let's apply the 55% Bonus of Call to Arms on each, and also subtract 3 from the Minigunners due to the Placement Limit of 40. 1.55x37=57.35 (Max Level Minigunner) 2.17x37=80.29 (Max Level Golden Minigunner) 4.65x8=37.2 (Max Level Accelerator) Just to clarify how ridiculous that is, that means if: 1 Fallen King is worth 1 point. 1 Wox The Fox is worth 1.65 points. 1 Nuclear Fallen King is worth 5 points. Accelerators with No Commander are capable of defeating a Fallen King. As shown in the video, so are Regular Minigunners. A Golden Minigunner is capable of defeating 2 Fallen Kings, or a Wox The Fox. This means that: Accelerator = 1 Point Minigunner = 1 Point Golden Minigunner = 3.65 Points. Add on Commander and you get some ridiculous DPS. I think you get my point, Accelerator's throne has been thrown out, Golden Minigunner is the new king. (Although Accelerators are better in Quad's because of the fact their placement limit isn't handicapped in those, Minigunner is)
@gianclarksentillas4504
8 ай бұрын
Ain't no way this is a TDs nerd I'm jk
@jevils_
8 ай бұрын
i havent played tds in a while but i didnt know rof bug still existed
@ellislim601
8 ай бұрын
- Comparing 2 Separate Towers w/ different uses - GMini is MG - LG, Accelerator is LG - One is Sub-DPS, One is Main-DPS - 520.000 Cost to Match Accelerator, Accelerator costs 400.000 (For Normal Minigunner) - Accounting the "Damage Cap" and "Time to reload" is alr counted in DPS, not valid - Golden Minigunner requires 467.500 to match the DPS of 400.000 from Accelerator (For Golden Mini) Since I'm going to be supporting Accelerator in this argument... let's get into it: - TIME TO GET TOWER: (Accelerator) (Assuming it takes ~30 Minutes per match to win HC) (It takes 2 Hours, 30 Minutes to get Accelerator.) (Golden Mini) (Assuming Daily Shop - ~15 Minutes per match in Badlands) (1100 Coins per Match) (1050 Minutes - AKA ~17 Hours to get Golden Minigunner) (Then you have to hope Golden Minigunner comes) Accelerator takes around 5 times shorter than Golden Minigunner to get the tower, so Accelerator wins this category. - RANKINGS FOR DPS TOWERS IN EVERY GAMEMODE, AND EVERY SOLO, DUO, TRIO & QUAD: (Solo) Golden Minigunner takes 1st, Accelerator Second, Engineer third. (Duo) Tie between Golden Minigunner & Accelerator, Engineer Second. (Trio) Accelerator takes 1st, Golden Minigunner & Engineer Tie for Second. (Quad) Accelerator takes 1st, Engineer Second, Golden Minigunner Third. Using these rankings... 1st - 1 Point 2nd - 0.75 Points 3rd - 0.5 Points. Accelerator takes 3.75 Points, Golden Minigunner takes 3.25 Points, Engineer takes 2.5 Points. ACCELERATOR WINS THIS CATEGORY. In the most recent event... Accelerator is extremely clear of Golden Minigunner due to the fact that the time constraints + the cash being used to max the accelerators goes first in this case, means that Golden Minigunner would lose in the Act 1 & Act 2 Events. Pizza Party... Accelerator is a consistent winner when speedrunning, as Golden Minigunner goes third & second for Quad & Trio, which are the best squad size for Pizza Party. PW2... You're not soloing this 💀, You can barely duo this 💀[When doing duos its always been the case of having all 3 MAIN-DPS TOWERS, with Accel taking first priority] & Everything else just evens out due to the ridiculous cash flow. Badlands... 💀You're not soloing this 💀You can barely duo this 💀[Not really], and once again, everything evens out due to cash flow. I'm not going to list other events because I'm too lazy... - Accelerator is still king, just influence is slightly diminished in Solo + Duo Gameplay. - Accelerator + Commander will blow Golden Minigunner back to second place 💀[Stop saying that its unfair the 120.000 In-game disparity makes Commander into the Accel Budget] - 2.5 Golden Minigunners = 1 Accelerator [2.5 Golden Minigunners = ~70.000, 1 Accelerator = ~58.000] [Accelerator is more cost efficient overall] - Ur argument is basing everything around Raw-DPS when the fact is that... A: Accelerator is more cost-efficient B: Accelerator does better in Trio & Quad, Ties in Duo & Comes second in Solo. C: Accelerator is easier + faster to get (Feel free to respond :D I actually don't really care- I just need to see what's fun to do rn)
@TheOverwriter
8 ай бұрын
Hm. Nice.
@pd_heart
8 ай бұрын
This is some crazy nice information, thank you for taking the work to write this for us!
@calebbridgmane1111
8 ай бұрын
The dedication this guy has for tower defense simulator is honestly impressive he has been doing this for 3 years
@justyourdailymate2272
8 ай бұрын
The thing is that if you do multiplayer with 34 accels, you basically can just get 3+ quarters of the damage that the mini is doing with way less placements, but with a g mini and accel +cta chain, fallen king instantly regrets living (unless you get rid of the overcharge factor).
@sussybakaaaaaaa
8 ай бұрын
34? 4x8 is 32 and they removed mega servers so idk where u got 34 from
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822
8 ай бұрын
@NiceSoup-yn7lw you can only place at max 20 g mini for each person then
@ichosolemanuel6048
7 ай бұрын
@@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 "only" 80 minigunners
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822
7 ай бұрын
@@ichosolemanuel6048 32 accel is better then 80 minigunner
@Gigavisor
7 ай бұрын
@@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 and the space too
@henry_ho0606
8 ай бұрын
Ofc they can’t make g mini better than a hc tower, but the rework is a huge improvement for non accel and engi gaming experience
@erickguerrero8509
6 ай бұрын
I thing the accel is kind a support tower for bosses, because if there is a wave of strong enemies like this 10:40 you can set the accels to "strongest" and start to damage the boss while the minigunners deal with the wave (Sorry for bad english)
@sobzir_o
8 ай бұрын
Minigunner became the new Hardcore mode Meta. You can easily get past wave 33 using him (I've done it with pyro, ace pilot, farm, minigunner, and commander in solo)
@EliteSavior421
8 ай бұрын
Act one was ez thanks for good content
@quill6703
8 ай бұрын
The accel does more damage when you're playing with other people (as in like multiplayer because of placement limit) but In single player it does like 1000 more dps in total if you had all 40 of your units as Golden Minis. (If you're using normal minis you do like 300 less than accelerator even on single player but if you consider overcharge I think it would maybe even out kinda.:L)
@benjaminmanalese8215
8 ай бұрын
In polluted wastelands idk if its a bug u have 40 placement
@BaconsAreOnTop
8 ай бұрын
Bro wrote a essay💀💀 Btw no hate
@oyuk7727
8 ай бұрын
@@BaconsAreOnTop i have seen bigger mensages, like an actual essay
@ElChicoMLG
8 ай бұрын
bro cannot read any text that has more than 20 words@@BaconsAreOnTop
@Randommf-xg6tw
8 ай бұрын
@@oyuk7727that’s an essay??? That’s a small paragraph isn’t it????
@sakuralla8303
8 ай бұрын
Idk if it s a glitch but rn on polluted wasteland 2, everyone can place 40 towers. So i kinda wanna see how 160 golden minigunners do against this mode (with support of course).
@Freakyadvisor
8 ай бұрын
It’s for every mode too and yeah it’s glitched
@Variety_at_its_cringiest
8 ай бұрын
and if someone leaves and rejoins, your tower placement limit suddenly got changed to how many towers you currently have (least amount is 20).
@51fiftyonegaming51
8 ай бұрын
@justharrison
@dogeboi420
8 ай бұрын
I love how pyro went to a completely horrid tower to being one of the best early game towers
@Arman-wp6mn
8 ай бұрын
Elite i know im late but one thing to tell u : g pyro cheaper at price and upgrading in early levels to 3 (thats what i think atleast)
@BlueRN_man
8 ай бұрын
The crusader skin of minigunnder looks WAY better now, that fact that the minigun is a crossbow and a minigun combined is very cool
@timmynobrain
8 ай бұрын
Pog
@BlergAl-co-hall
8 ай бұрын
You can actually use level 2 base minis with commander buffs to solo part 2 of act 1
@ferminvarela1180
8 ай бұрын
yes, its the only way I know how to win the act
@PotGotU
8 ай бұрын
@@ferminvarela1180accel go brrrrrr
@Greggorto
8 ай бұрын
@@PotGotUmini is literally better somehow now lmao
@PotGotU
8 ай бұрын
@@Greggorto pov:mini nerf
@Greg-1080p
8 ай бұрын
They buff it so they probably not gonna nerf it
@lennymann1382
8 ай бұрын
I use mini as a side dps tower but for pizza party I need to use mortar or ranger
@Epicfnafarplayer
8 ай бұрын
W
@insertusernamehere8125
8 ай бұрын
I also love how they made pumpkin minigunner look cool af now
@channel_deleted-gp1vb
8 ай бұрын
There is a op combo that you could go up to wave 37 to 38 and it's farm, ace,commander and militant
@Sivves
8 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure mini is now on the ranks of accel and engineer in terms of dishing out damage fast (also I’m pretty sure its the best dps for solo) Now do 2tf
@imburrnin4495
8 ай бұрын
2TC IN TDS?
@Grumpyboye
8 ай бұрын
it got close to the ranks of hardcore tower enough i dont want it any closer
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822
8 ай бұрын
It not that close really, beside mini and it golden counterpart isn't as spammable before.
@MMeltingButter
8 ай бұрын
imagine minigunner becomes a 200 gems tower 💀 community boutta go ape shit.
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822
8 ай бұрын
@@MMeltingButter ehh that is worth 1 hardocre win. That not to bad
@darkninjagiannis3373
8 ай бұрын
Fun fact 40 minis is same dps with 8 accels but you cant actually get 40 cuz of the supports but the mini doesnt have the charge thing and has the golden form
@Bouldy
8 ай бұрын
Can you maybe make like another tutorial on this strategy? I dont have tycoon farm and its like impossible to see what level the farms are, so i hope this isnt a lot to ask for!
@Kneecaptain
8 ай бұрын
minigunner was already pretty balanced so they had no reason to buff it but its really cool
@johnyoseflee8945
8 ай бұрын
plushie minigunner is my favorite minigunner skin now because unlike all other skins its look didint get touched in the minigunner rework
@TungNguyen-gl2rb
8 ай бұрын
I love tds content but can you play Bloons td6 the game that you call td6 it has actual bosses now there is 5 bosses and they are hard and there are a lot of new features
@TungNguyen-gl2rb
8 ай бұрын
I don't know do I have to have galdiator to be a skilled player Sense I only have golden crates and engi left to unlock
@barana6528
8 ай бұрын
if you dont have any life and ur level 500 or above you can survive with about 10 hp NOT even using pyro just using minigunner dj farm and win this is so op
@Falcon463
8 ай бұрын
i played with mg in act I i lost with mg but won with accel so i respect ur opinion but i feel like accel is better!
@leobjornlund7311
8 ай бұрын
Maybe the minigunne got buffed beacuse the act 3 in halloween event may need a lot more dps
@aomr_23
8 ай бұрын
hi
@user-hh6iz6bo7s
7 ай бұрын
the thing is that ur using the level-by-health feature to get enough money but for low level players you can do that because of their low level
@InterfX1
8 ай бұрын
sure 40 mini gunners is more powerful than 8 accelerators, but you could just use 32 mini gunners and 8 accelerators and your DPS will be much highe
@stocktonlevel1goblin
8 ай бұрын
Lol after a while I played the game again and I ignored the update pop up and just played a game and just thought "wait, was mini, ALWAYS this cracked?"
@Goku_Super2
8 ай бұрын
Never thought I would have more pumpkins then a tds youtuber
@animationguy9955
8 ай бұрын
They should buff accel
@leonardotrujillo8661
8 ай бұрын
Its already balanced
@aovibesbruh4425
8 ай бұрын
true,at this point minigunner is better for solo fallen than accel
@bloxingdue
8 ай бұрын
@@aovibesbruh44253500 overcharge?
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822
8 ай бұрын
@@aovibesbruh4425mini have alwyas been better(well maybe only the g mini before buff) in solo and duo. But beside that, i don't see it have changed at all in this new update beside being a dps tower now.
@ballergaming8346
8 ай бұрын
i havent watch u in a long while
@projectryxn6151
8 ай бұрын
ngl might get nerfed but still gonna be a good tower
@AoshiALT
8 ай бұрын
I played the update 10 minutes after the update dropped I saw it and mini gunner and ranger is way too op
@Baltzar_Cancerberg
8 ай бұрын
I seen some leak or something smillar where mini got range like rocketter where it cant shot if enemy is to close so dont worry it will get nerfed
@gamerits
8 ай бұрын
ah, thats just a concept, plus it wouldnt stop shooting, it instead gets stronger
@Baltzar_Cancerberg
8 ай бұрын
@@gamerits oh yeah
@Pizzaslice9
8 ай бұрын
You can replace medic with commander to get the fallen king even faster I used commander instead and he died much faster
@mythicaller
8 ай бұрын
Elite, what's ur loadout to win fallen mode? Just asking
@Accelerator305
8 ай бұрын
Accelerator is still better imo this rework nerfed minis firerate which means it’s not as good at early game, me and my friend tested the ttk on a boss and accels was way faster and also on molten we were able to get our 8 accels maxed with max commanders and dj but with mini we only got around 35 minis with one maxed commander which makes accel more versatile. Even though mini has a higher placement limit like one of the comments below me 8 accels is equivalent to 36 minis and I did some math 8 accels is cheaper so accel has better cost. Also I’m talking about g mini not normal mini
@southestst
8 ай бұрын
mini has 2 damage at base
@LuffyWantsMeat01
8 ай бұрын
My guy they wouldn’t buff it to be better than accel💀
@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822
8 ай бұрын
@@LuffyWantsMeat01 but the thing is everyone is glazing so hard about mini being as good as accel. Even thouhht mini/g mini isn't even good outside solo/squad.
@tipco415
8 ай бұрын
@@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822who is even saying mini is better than accel???? its only really better with its low price and no place limit
@PosterityIslesNews
8 ай бұрын
mini is better at early game, he does 50% more dps than old mini for only 500 more
@zaeefsyafin
8 ай бұрын
This video is cool
@jaxroblox4655
8 ай бұрын
Imagine the golden version of this episode
@westmarsplays375
7 ай бұрын
I used farm, pyro, golden mini, commander, dj and the fallen king didnt even make it to the third u-turn. So overpowered
@tempestreal
8 ай бұрын
baller
@theslickgoldengamer1666
5 ай бұрын
I’m a player with accel and I was asking if I should use minigunner if it’s so good now like I dint even have golden perks
@goatmilk1728
8 ай бұрын
I literally did this exact thing but with gold mini and I won aswell (edit: I had 160 base health)
@ashleyengelman5097
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for helping me win🎉
@Monley164
8 ай бұрын
Damn for someone who has no golden towers, I need a strat like this.
@tonkco8435
8 ай бұрын
The gold crook boss would do same do’s before the nerf
@ok_Wastakenagain
8 ай бұрын
Absolute epikness
@ViciousBee_Return6969
8 ай бұрын
dang, i have gold perk aswell
@fivestar3452
8 ай бұрын
Max golden mini looks super cool
@Zen1thCZ
3 ай бұрын
Thats great you can solo with minigunner but.... i can get 2times more money at the same time closely
@Pretty_Shocking
8 ай бұрын
true mini gunner got an 30 dps increase which is epic
@bread3536
8 ай бұрын
We need a price comparison
@thecreatureunderyourbed.
8 ай бұрын
it’s crazy that you can compare normal mini to accel now god dam
@randomdude2830
8 ай бұрын
No u can’t lmao. Only golden
@minerdxxd733
8 ай бұрын
it can only be compared due to placement limit, like a comment said above, Accel shines when you have a shorter tower placement limit, but it's quite great for a solo player since around 30 Minigunners will deal more dps than Accel
@randomdude2830
8 ай бұрын
@@minerdxxd733 nah bro with the most recent accel buff 8 accels deal more dps than 30 miniguns
@celestialcerulean
8 ай бұрын
@@minerdxxd733 when golden yes, otherwise accel's still better and in hardcore, accel still wins either way
@thebreakfastbandit7779
8 ай бұрын
@@randomdude2830I did the math and 35 minigunners do 1100 more dps then 8 acceleraters, so besides placement space mini still is based
@Harshixang
8 ай бұрын
Me beating polluted wasteland and badlands with mini gunner: Also me who can’t beat fallen mode:
@godly_seraph
8 ай бұрын
mini or engi will become the new meta as either accel will be nerfed (mini will be meta) or engi will be buffed (engi meta).
@Bruceliamguia
8 ай бұрын
Fallen king:new fear unlocked
@slashy7297
8 ай бұрын
I'ma try this
@Plane238
8 ай бұрын
They just added the gold mini stats to the normal mini and that’s good
@Zaaaaaam
8 ай бұрын
"minigunner was a really great option in the past, but now is the option" - elite (Im putting this on my Elite quote list)
@tanjitkader5
8 ай бұрын
i only got to wave 25 and died to necromancers WITH commander so i dont think it works anymore they prob buffed necromancer
@unyilgaming1234
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, my instinct when the mini gunner got rework is soloing fallen with it
@neilaszemgulys6754
8 ай бұрын
This is good but im staying at acccelerator and engineer
@overflux4074
8 ай бұрын
crazy
@Miraamri3048
4 ай бұрын
God
@LocalCertifiedBear
8 ай бұрын
I want to see this with the Golden Mini AND Commander..
@LCPLAYSSHORTSSTILL
8 ай бұрын
So if you can do it without medic and do 4 towers the 5 could be commander
@pandaking_DK
8 ай бұрын
oh i was here one min after how nice
@breadpannspapihamster
8 ай бұрын
I use warden😢
@avv.albertoalfredoferrario8568
8 ай бұрын
Make a start on this😂
@captaintijn3511
8 ай бұрын
breaker they after breaking get a sec imiun to damge and teleport like a stud or 2 and nobody can change my mind.
@OGuiBlindao
8 ай бұрын
Wow
@MazChillz
8 ай бұрын
*elite casualty creates a strategy*
@Mbappe632
8 ай бұрын
i was playing act 1 and i placed maxed commander + maxed minigunner i literaly made 24k in seconds
@tophat156
8 ай бұрын
"Some people think they can outsmart me, maybe... maybe.... Ive yet to meet that can outsmart BULLET."
@user-uy6lz9zv5d
8 ай бұрын
Hi
@katcana1
8 ай бұрын
going to say it now, g mini plus ranger is WAY to OP
@JBPstopmotion78
8 ай бұрын
Minigunner is so good, now! I sure hope Below doesn’t nerf it…🤔🤔🤔
@user-kk1nh8cj2o
8 ай бұрын
the golden skin looks fire now
@missingtexture5376
8 ай бұрын
Minigunner does like 30 more dps than before it got reworked
@est780
5 ай бұрын
G mini was my first golden
@Kilalon
8 ай бұрын
How is your game so smooth? What is your PC specs or your settings or game settings or boosters, how is your game that smooth?!
@lazygabstudio
8 ай бұрын
Now we need to compare minigunner to juggernaut
@kaden-sd6vb
8 ай бұрын
we've come full circle. minis overpowered again.
@allychen5448
8 ай бұрын
Idk y but there's just smth so funny about Elite just yapping about random shit
@QUACK382
7 ай бұрын
as it’s a great tower it’s best for solo because you can place 40!
@rainbowknight3724
8 ай бұрын
Crazy buffed
@AstralGlad
8 ай бұрын
Finnaly my beloved minigunner is meta again
@user-ue1kk4em5h
8 ай бұрын
Max accelerator does 500 dps x 8 sooo 5000 dps but the rate of fire bug will make the dps of both worse
@coolbroxz
8 ай бұрын
Bro 500 x 8 is not 5000 it’s 4000
@Ihavenoname109
8 ай бұрын
its not 500 dps with overcharge
@user-kq5dg2tq9s
8 ай бұрын
did you knwo you can solo fallen mod with minigunner before the rework well jsut use mninigunner for wave 10 and wardens for e game and use commbar and dj tthat how how i beat fallen beffore the rework
@bucketdoeseverything
8 ай бұрын
a tds player’s worse nightmare: people who place bad
@Rinn-ei3mb
8 ай бұрын
Best update, even though im not playing it, maybe i should?
@silbily69
6 ай бұрын
Fun fact! Did u know if u put g perks on pyro the money to place a g pyro is 800 but without perks is 900?
@Candy_the_Cotton_Candy_Fox
8 ай бұрын
7 minis around 1 medic... I'm jealous of that medic rn..
@GeneralAppliesYT
8 ай бұрын
I got my first solo fallen with the new mini (I was lvl 212) I am bad
@nickoytheone
8 ай бұрын
So for the more dam the fire rate got nurf still op tho
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