2:08 "Slavery is bad... HOWEVER" This is what I come to this channel for. You won't get that kind of historically accurate spiciness many other places in modernity.
@reactiondavant-garde590
2 жыл бұрын
History is good because when you really understand it it is one of the most spicy and redpilling thing ever.
@mrmegachonks3581
2 жыл бұрын
Slavery's bad mmmmmmm kay.... H.O.W.E.V.E.R.
@G96Saber
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, well done f r e e d o m, HOWEVER...
@apoliticaldeviant1262
2 жыл бұрын
@@G96Saber Or the common: "Democracy is good, ok, it is not good, but it is the least bad system we have"
@andoriannationalist3738
2 жыл бұрын
@@apoliticaldeviant1262 “Democracy: The fastest horse at the glue factory!”
@KeithWoods
2 жыл бұрын
You set yourself a hell of a challenge with this one but it was worth doing. Some of this really puts in perspective how twisted the modern economy is. Also there is a point to be made about the explicit punishment by a boss vs. the modern, feminine, technocratic means of control exerted by managerialism.
@halidehelux5221
2 жыл бұрын
So.... The question we all really have, but none of us are asking... What brand of Black Turtlenecks you wearing , Keif?
@secularjihadi
2 жыл бұрын
Neither of those are comparable to being literally condemned to lifelong status as chattel. The metaphor at the heart of this video is being stretched beyond reason
@tb8865
2 жыл бұрын
@@secularjihadi I kind of agree, but when critics of slavery today decry the institution in material terms (it was brutal and the slaves were economically deprived) these kinds of comparisons really put things into perspective.
@secularjihadi
2 жыл бұрын
@@tb8865 Fair point. If only AA were careful enough to limit his framing to such terms.
@ANARKOTEROR
2 жыл бұрын
@@secularjihadi The terms "condemned, reduced, dehumanized" and whatnot all imply a previous status of liberty which was revoked by ENslavement, while it is clear to me that all humans are born slaves, no matter what the hell John Locke was smoking. I'm not against emancipation; but it should be safe, legal and rare!
@ryaneftink7364
2 жыл бұрын
For context on the flogging point, 5% is also the estimated percentage of the US population that will serve a jail sentence some time in their life. Really activates them almonds.
@1lobster
2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that also the statistic for young fatherless men?
@topman8565
2 жыл бұрын
A 3rd for “slave descendants”
@jalander8817
2 жыл бұрын
4 of the 5% are those who are known to steal bikes
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
2 жыл бұрын
@@1lobster No, not even comparably. There are *far more* fatherless young men.
@Ashurbanipal7446
Жыл бұрын
Well you see, black people didn’t commit crimes back then
@MatthewChenault
2 жыл бұрын
To add to the flogging element: The US army used flogging as a punishment on-and-off throughout the 19th century.
@veronicaevans8134
2 жыл бұрын
The USN never flogged sailors unlike the Royal Navy where it was common.
@GhostofTradition
2 жыл бұрын
Support prison reform! Bring back flogging!
@admontblanc
2 жыл бұрын
Romans would flog legionnaires for getting drunk during service. They would also strangle them for thievery, and crucify them for desertion.
@Helmholtzwatson1984
2 жыл бұрын
Very popular in the British army, but then again the squeaky wheel does seem to get the grease when talking about the more loathsome acts of the past compared to modern standards.
@davidmoutray2644
11 ай бұрын
As did the British Army. And ask the average 19th century British sailor kidnapped by the press-gang how free he felt.
@tomeboaventura9054
2 жыл бұрын
This plus Sargon's abolishment of slavery plus Thomas Sowell's history of slavery are a new Trivium everyone should watch. Excellent work AA.
@RobDaCajun
2 жыл бұрын
I’d recommend Mark Twain’s A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court. In it he spells out what most people miss in Economics. “It’s not how much you make. It’s how much you keep.” Same as today people will show you that you can make more in say San Francisco. But don’t take into consideration the astronomical cost of living.
@Vingul
2 жыл бұрын
I loved how frank Twain was about J usury in «Life On the Mississippi».
@jalander8817
2 жыл бұрын
All the best American authors are Southern. Faulkner, Twain, and Poe. You can also include Irving if you really know what a Yankee is. Irving made fun of Yankees. Ichabod Crane is the embodiment of Yankees as they moved into NY state.
@camorinbatchelder6514
2 жыл бұрын
Good point! Still love Twain.
@CynicalOldDwarf
2 жыл бұрын
Or how many of these silicon valley companies might have a massive amount of turn over but only a few of them actually make a profit. Most are so called vampire companies that are propped up solely by investors.
@TranJack123
3 ай бұрын
@@jalander8817Can’t forget Robert Penn Warrren!
@BigSeanH
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing in this video says "slavery good" It says "Because you think slavery was so horrible, why are you not outraged by the fact that things are worse for people now?"
@marvalice3455
3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@tadpoledystopia2456
2 жыл бұрын
It's especially interesting that people naturally think of Django Unchained when it comes to slavery, given that Quenten Tarantino is not exactly known for his historical accuracy. Just goes to show how deep boomer truth is in the zeitgeist.
@secularjihadi
2 жыл бұрын
Django is a very new film. You might think of it but people have long had other sources, including actual historical ones, that don't paint lifelong bondage as cozy in the sense aa seeks to.
@tadpoledystopia2456
2 жыл бұрын
@@secularjihadi I only mentioned it because AA mentions it in this video. Its not just me. He literally said that people may think of it. Sure, its relatively new yes, but its still a 10 year old movie. Thats plenty of time to cement it in the cultural zeitgeist. I mean Joker is only a couple years old and its had plenty of impact on culture. How long does something have to be out to be relevant to bring up in your point of view? I won't speak for AA. He is a bit of a contrarian and maybe he would say it is "cozy", but what I gather from this video is more along the trajectory of what he tends to argue in his streams and such. That TODAY'S world is not as "cozy" as people like to paint it.
@roninsjourney7560
2 жыл бұрын
@@tadpoledystopia2456 Well said. It's a combination of illuminating what slavery was really like while also highlighting that we haven't progressed that much today.
@TuxedoTalk
2 жыл бұрын
The food prices blew me away. How on earth can food prices then be cheaper than today with all the modern technology used to produce it? My only guess is the broken nature of fiat money.
@xenn4985
2 жыл бұрын
Distribution is the difference. Doesn't matter how cheap something is to produce if it's produced on the other side of the country.
@michaelvongiersbach7726
2 жыл бұрын
I suspect that the cost of government entitlement programs are buried into the cost of food.
@melfice999
2 жыл бұрын
1) Distribution. it costs absolutely insane amounts to get your "local Argentine Beef" to your local shelf on a store instead of getting the beef from a friendly local butchers. - and due to the fact that local food has to compete with WEF prices and the global market they're almost completely gone in certain parts of the world. 2) Inflation 3) WEF and people of Schwab's ilk are actively waging a war against Farmers. and you know what happens to prices of food when the most productive people on agricultural sector are being oppressed for the "greater good".
@patriciusvunkempen102
2 жыл бұрын
less people backthen.
@michaelvongiersbach7726
2 жыл бұрын
@@xenn4985 I live in the middle of the 2nd largest beef producing state in America, and the cost of a steak is the same as it is in LA 2000 miles away. I doubt the cost of distribution is the culprit, it is an insignificant part of the cost at best.
@JustGeridan
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, 40 hours a week with food, shelter and healthcare sounds like steal, that's like the equivalent of a union job. If I was unable to get a union job, that kind of deal would look very attractive. Of course you have to factor in the loss of freedom of movement, but most poor people can't afford to travel to look for work anyway.
@1lobster
2 жыл бұрын
We can just get rid of the loss of freedom though. (If we wanted to revive this business model) we could just alter it slightly, so that one can quit at any time, and just leave. The clothes would count as severance pay.
@traddad9172
2 жыл бұрын
A mirror age of modern unionism
@JustGeridan
2 жыл бұрын
@@1lobster yes I agree, the biggest factor for people not wanting to take this deal would be the permanence of losing one's freedom. If it was like indentured servitude where you are contractually bound to stay with the employer for a number of years, but then you could leave, I think it would be more viable.
@Karl_Burton
2 жыл бұрын
Did he say 40 hours / week ?
@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756
2 жыл бұрын
@@JustGeridan that basically exists today in some spheres. There is both on the job training and competitor clauses within contracts that ensure for a time period you can only provide work in a field for one company or have to buy the contract out. Ik for computer programming there is a whole industry that pays you to learn to code and is organized around selling your contract to companies that have a clause where you cannot code for money outside of them.
@melfice999
2 жыл бұрын
Up Next on Academic Agency - a full course on Foundations of Slavery, for a modern Cyberpunk Dystopian slave state. (Great vid AA keep up the good work )
@dragonlord1177
2 жыл бұрын
Understanding the foundations of slavery would be interesting especially if you can get into the mind set of a slaver and a slave
@suzukisixk7
2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget how horrible modern working conditions are as well. Horrible in different ways but plenty horrible. Is that your lunch? You have 9minutes and 26seconds to eat it and be back on the line, and no talking once you get there! Just absolutely relentless drive to 100% efficiency (which isn't a real thing)
@TheBelrick
2 жыл бұрын
They never Ended Slavery. They simply switched the collars and handles around. Now modern workers are slaves to welfare states and various other government programs. Well played.
@richardcrook2112
2 жыл бұрын
I know some factories where break starts as soon as you leave the line You have to take off your factory gear and queue up as part of your "break" so people don't bother having them. Which is exactly the result they want. They play these kind of tricks all the time. They have worked out it's more profitable to make everything run too fast, then the increased "productivity" covers the cost of the mountains of waste output manufactured wrong because of the speed. This is what efficiency looks like. Then they have cynical environmental initiatives, while under this smokescreen said mountains go to landfill.
@cmcapps1963
5 ай бұрын
100%? I've been told to give 110%. 110% of the time.
@dantheagile5055
2 жыл бұрын
Very brave of you AA to cover this topic 👏
@wolfiestreet6899
2 жыл бұрын
And stunning.
@alreadygotone9180
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure life as a slave in America was hard, but I would take any day over being a miner in the 18th century north of England.
@skadiwarrior2053
2 жыл бұрын
Or transportation to Australia for trying to organise better pay.
@AURORA08A
2 жыл бұрын
Or a tin miner west of Devonshire, though chances for wrecking and smuggling were greater.
@ChemicalOly
2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't compare to when the Internet goes down and I can't watch Cuties on Netflix!
@misterleegains4020
2 жыл бұрын
I think 18th century miners would be horrified by the alienation, deracination and dehumanization of the modern urban bugman
@thehound9638
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChemicalOly 🤣🤣🤣 There's always one isn't there?
@TuxedoTalk
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how skilled slaves like blacksmiths gained those skills. Did a master see that one of his slaves had a natural ability and see to it that he gained a skill? If so this almost turns the master into a patron of his slaves. Educating those capable and then allowing them to pay him back. Gaining their freedom and a better life for themselves and their children. While he provides a place for those born without those abilities. It seems to me that modern corporations are colder slave masters than almost all the slave masters of old.
@reactiondavant-garde590
2 жыл бұрын
It is depend on time perido as well I think. As example in case of Rome after they conquerd a city state they enslaved the local population (not always) so in this case they had the skills from before they were slaves. Interesting that a lot of culture it had rules even for slaves and they were not always treated just as "object" as people like to think nowadayy, in early medieval era or in the old testament you can finde that they were 1, protected by sacred laws 2, they were more like servants of a house.
@MatthewChenault
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, yes. Masters would often see a slave with a particular level of skill and would lease them to tradesmen to learn a valuable skill. Smithing was a common trade for slaves to get into, since the need for tasks - such as mending horse shoes, making nails, and so on - was necessary for large farming operations. So, for the master of a plantation, having a slave that was a blacksmith would be indispensable.
@jalander8817
2 жыл бұрын
@@MatthewChenault check out the book Bridging Deep South Rivers: the Life and Legend of Horace King.
@andysamet4554
2 жыл бұрын
On American plantations a large one would have a blacksmith on site. They would often train an apprentice or two younger than them to pass on the skill.
@stupendous7848
2 жыл бұрын
It seems modern corporations are actually trying to make people weaker, more incompetent.
@fredbloggs5902
2 жыл бұрын
My father-in-law (tech design office manager) related a similar conversation with his brother (farm labourer) back in the 70s in the U.K. His brother in addition to being paid, also received free (family of 4) accommodation, free water, electricity, gas, and any produce from the farm was also free to eat. Although his pay was low, his disposable income was higher.
@dt4676
2 жыл бұрын
That sounds nice
@jjcustard6378
2 жыл бұрын
Where I live in Norfolk England there is still a lot of farm hand housing, my father in law who was a pig farmer didn't buy his own property until he was 50
@RUfrikkinkiddinME
2 жыл бұрын
My people were Somerset farm hands before they went into the mines later in the 19th century. I've seen the marriage certificates where they signed with an X. I think I'd rather do farm work than go down into the mines.
@jjcustard6378
2 жыл бұрын
@@RUfrikkinkiddinME my son did a year tractor driving for a subcontractor and you could earn a lot of money if you put the hours in, 12 hours in a tractor during harvest time takes a special kind of person though 😂
@goodlookinouthomie1757
2 жыл бұрын
@@jjcustard6378 I'm the son of a farmer and I was doing this aged about 14 in the 90s. It's a very cushy job actually if you don't mind the occasional obligation to get covered in barley chaff when you get roped into fixing the combine. I normally did about 3 weeks work in the summer holidays and Dad would pay me 100 quid. But yeah, the professional help could earn a fair bit since they could easily work 16 hour days during the peak.
@0xva
2 жыл бұрын
wow, so wageslavery really is slavery lol.
@followingtheroe1952
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but no. Worse.
@marvalice3455
3 ай бұрын
Yes, except there is no escape
@constantine2197
2 жыл бұрын
AA as a Corrections Officer from Virginia now in Indiana I have two points to mention. 1) the cheaper housing is generally in the Midwest and in the desert. 2) I see so many people that would rather be in jail or prison and leave and come back same day time after time because it's easier than the alternative. Quite a few homeless people go get a bullshit trespassing misdemeanor charge to come sit in jail for 4 months from October to February so the coldest months of the year they have shelter. We need to bring back serfdom.
@AllenDobkin
2 жыл бұрын
The gang from Always Sunny in Philadelphia could solve this crises in one episode.
@wizard_of_poz4413
2 жыл бұрын
Idk about serfdom, there's so many structures in the US that sit derelict because nobody lives in them
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, bring back serfdom, because of a bunch homeless people exploiting the system? Don't reduce homelessness by other means. Also, homelss people don't even want to work and are used to the streets (except in winter), so imagine how miserable they'd be under serfdom?
@AllenDobkin
2 жыл бұрын
@@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin I’m with you. Throw a /s on there for peeps who don’t recognize sarcasm.
@wizard_of_poz4413
2 жыл бұрын
@@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin well when you phrase it like that, then beating them into servitude sounds appealing
@lsshvs8415
2 жыл бұрын
AA should write an academic grade article on this and pubish it open access to get it read in other circles.
@lsshvs8415
2 жыл бұрын
It seems he basically has all things he needs, propablly he could use the script and adapt it to to a certain citation style he probally already has enough pages to be taken seriously.
@Daimo83
2 жыл бұрын
...like reddit
@alidaraie
2 жыл бұрын
@@Daimo83 *fat neckbeard soyjak intensifies*
@ALLHEART_
2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. The Civil War was a war on the American gentry, the Southern upper crust (who had been the guardians of American civic virtue up until that point), by the Northern capitalist interests groups. They, the Southern gentry, were destroyed and the loss was never really recovered.
@bellphorusnknight
2 жыл бұрын
That is why whenever you meet a new yorker and californian movin in. Kindly slash their tires when their not looking It will send the message
@cmcapps1963
5 ай бұрын
@@bellphorusnknightUnfortunately, as a Georgian with ancestors who fought for the Patriots during the War of Independence, my southern hospitality and code of honor won't allow it. Atlanta is eat up with them, but bless their evil hearts, they ain't got no raisin'. Still, if they mess with Fulton county ballot counts again this fall...
@ryaneftink7364
2 жыл бұрын
On the “Slave plantations fueled British agricultural need” point, this is largely untrue, Slaves were overwhelming used for non-grain based farms, (Famously cotton and tobacco, but also coffee, grapes and olives) with Rice being grown to an extent around the Mississippi. Grain production was still overwhelmingly the domain of the north (some argue that part of the financial reason for militant abolition was due to the the fact plantations were economically secure in their hold over these crops, and Yankee agricultural interests couldn’t break into the market). A much better argument would be regarding the importation of American plantation-made cotton, which the British industrial interests (and anyone who could afford to buy clothes) definitely profited from. I suspect part of why slaves did comparatively better than both their contemporary American farmers and their descendants was due to their masters’ previously mentioned secure grip on more economically volatile crops, that is to say, we’re comparing a type of agricultural worker in the most profitable field, to the median agricultural worker. I’d be interested to see what wages were like for free farmhands who specifically worked in these types of fields, and how comparable they might’ve been.
@MatthewChenault
2 жыл бұрын
That’s not really the case either. It all depends on the region in question. In Virginia, for instance, a lot of the small plantations (20-30 slave plantations) weren’t producing cash crops, but large amounts of food stuffs such as corn, wheat, barley, and so on while also raising their own animals, such as chickens, pigs, and so on.
@ryaneftink7364
2 жыл бұрын
@@MatthewChenault I should have been more specific in quantifying this in terms of output, and export. Yes, smaller scale slave using farms were more inclined to have a larger dedication to staple crops, but this is more due to the inclination towards autarky within plantations generally. Obviously, most foodstuffs for plantations (as was the case for farms generally) were grown either on the plantation, or by it’s inhabitants in a nearby location. A larger farm can dedicate a smaller portion of its workers to essentials than a smaller farm can. By its very (volatile) nature, cash crops can’t be secure without reserve wealth, which functionally meant only larger plantations could engage in it. Smaller operations functioned more comparably to more typical farms small scale farms, including a less focused crop supply and less viability in international shipping. The kind of farms that ship abroad are almost universally large scale, and if you had a large plantation in the South, you certainly had the reserve wealth to engage in riskier crop selection. This is before even taking into account the smaller amount of competition, due to more cash crops being more viable in climates more typical of the South than the North, which is less true of most grains (wheat being one such case). This is even more true of Livestock, which (in the South) was overwhelmingly either grown to be used by its producer, or sold locally (excluding Cattle Ranches in the Western reaches of the South, which, to my knowledge, were overwhelmingly staffed by free men).
@wizard_of_poz4413
2 жыл бұрын
The same is true today about the southeast growing a lot of cotton, tobacco, rice and peanuts
@harrytd
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. As a skinny, spectacle wearing, Charles Atlas Body Building course failure, my first post-school job was an ill advised one as a hod carrier - a mistake that almost killed me. It seared into my mind the importance of maintaining physical strength via expensive, good quality calorie intake. Similarly, avoiding injury. As a result, when I saw Roots (and subsequent Hollywoodisations of slavery), I could never square off the portrayal of harsh conditions, lack of food and apparent constant physical abuse with the magnificent physical specimens on the screen. Except that they matched what I had seen in books and a subsequent visit to museums in the US. Something didn't add up. Any mention of this obvious contradiction was always met with a torrent of abuse (this is back in the 70s/80s, let alone now). AA has finally put this conundrum to bed for me. Thank you.
@AllenDobkin
2 жыл бұрын
My 12 year old just told me they asked their teacher if slaves were so expensive/valuable, wouldn’t they take care of them better? Her teacher agreed but the other kids were reeee. That teacher is a Christian from Haiti, so I think his opinion should carry a lot of weight.
@skadiwarrior2053
2 жыл бұрын
Good point. I'm sure will raise lots of eyebrows in some quarters.
@alternativeavenues7664
2 жыл бұрын
What’s a hod carrier?
@harrytd
2 жыл бұрын
@@alternativeavenues7664 somone who carries building bricks up ladders to the brick layer. These days it’s mostly done by electric lifts. But back in the 70s you had a V shaped open ended platform on the end of a pole. You’d load up about six to eight bricks, lean it on your shoulder and climb the ladder. You’d stack the bricks at each storey like mountaineers using base camps. It was as you can imagine, a physically demanding job. I only managed 8 months. Some old Irish boys on the site had done it into their 50s.
@robertmacdonaldch5105
2 жыл бұрын
Great logical observation
@1lobster
2 жыл бұрын
Based on nutrition alone, I could have told you that many of the slaves were better off than most modern unskilled laborers. Sweet potatoes, hominy, pork, fish, greens, peanuts, beans, sounds like a more balanced diet than what most people eat today, doesn’t it?
@andreamaccanti2241
2 жыл бұрын
Corn syrup and PUFAs are the backbone of most modern people. I'd say that's better
@tracertong8839
2 жыл бұрын
People willingly spend more to eat garbage today. Eating a balanced diet is not expensive and possible on minimum wage in the UK, US, Germany.
@sebastianprimomija8375
2 жыл бұрын
Has modern man fallen so low that a lowly slave of the 1800s was healthier than he is now at the supposed zenith of society.
@halidehelux5221
2 жыл бұрын
Do Southerners really eat grits, cornbread and collard greens as often as the stereotype suggests?
@koetimoep
2 жыл бұрын
@@andreamaccanti2241 what is PUFA?
@Kodiie
2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for Foundations of Slavery to drop. Now we know how he makes all those mugs
@fredbloggs5902
2 жыл бұрын
If you look at conditions today in Africa, for the descendents of the ones transported to America, it was the best thing that ever happened to them.
@dt4676
2 жыл бұрын
But the worst thing to happen to us is having them around.
@CynicalOldDwarf
2 жыл бұрын
@@dt4676 Should've followed suit with the Arabs did to theirs, you don't see them having issues today despite having a higher quantity of purchased farm equipment
@allseeingotto2912
2 жыл бұрын
Living in a first world country is there reparations, but still it’s “ gibs me dat “ .
@romyarmada2521
2 жыл бұрын
We wuz kingz and sheeit
@skadiwarrior2053
2 жыл бұрын
@@CynicalOldDwarf I think the males were pretty much done away with via castration in the first instance.
@RoyalProtectorate
2 жыл бұрын
If anyone here is fascinated by slavery, I would recommend the book sociology for the south by George Fitzhugh and you can get it at imperium press.
@MatthewChenault
2 жыл бұрын
He’s been reading _Cannibals, All!_
@evolassunglasses4673
2 жыл бұрын
Great publishing house
@jalander8817
2 жыл бұрын
Also, Time on the Cross by Fogel and Engerman. And Roll, Jordan, Roll by Eugene Genovese.
@thefool7353
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if people knew who owned the slave ships
@Honkin_Chonker
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if you could comprehend that no one cares.
@steakeye4808
5 ай бұрын
Got any good resources for that or can you elaborate so I can go deeper? From cursory searches just on my phone I'm seeing nearly all of the captains were Spanish or Portuguese based on their names but that doesn't necessarily imply ownership. Other links imply many of these ships were owned by English merchants which tracks with what I remembered from school.
@marvalice3455
3 ай бұрын
@@Honkin_ChonkerI care :(
@davidmoutray2644
11 ай бұрын
The equivalent hourly wage for the average slave in early 19th century America was approximately $30 per hour in 2022 dollars. Someone making that amount of money today probably would not pay much in the way of Federal Income Tax (possibly none at all), and there are seven states in the Union that charge no State Income Tax. However, all workers in the United States pay Social Security Tax and Unemployment Insurance of 7.5%. So, $30 per hour, 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year post-tax, even assuming the absolute minimum tax rate of 7.5% works out to approximately $67,500 per year, pre-tax. In 2022, the median household income was just over $70,000 per year - and that is the median household income, not individual income. Slaves weren't free to move, and they weren't free to change jobs, but they were earning the equivalent of what the median American household earns today, 160 years later. That is certainly food for thought. As for not being free to move or change jobs - it is pretty hard to do much with your freedom when you have no money. Without money you are mainly free to starve. Plantation owners in early 19th century America boasted that their slaves were treated better than factory workers in the so-called free states of the North. Given these statistics, it appears that they were right. Also, I have read that the life expectancy of freed slaves in the 1870's dropped TEN YEARS compared to the 1850's. That tends to confirm what those ex-slaves testified to Congress in the 1930's: physically at least, they were better off under slavery.
@Raygun9000
2 жыл бұрын
On the sexual assualt statistics you have to keep in mind these are collected not as a reflection of reality but as bent surveys or diluted descriptions. e.g. verbal abuse being sexual assualt. Or heck I've even seen willingly having sex when not aroused as rape! In the case of billionaires raping their slaves, I simply ask, can they not do better from a willing participant?
@todmann67
2 жыл бұрын
Enslave yourself to the LORD, AA.
@marvalice3455
3 ай бұрын
I hear His load is light
@johnpatterson8697
2 жыл бұрын
Were the Southern slaves ever forced to eat bugs?
@johns6265
2 жыл бұрын
The foreword of Uncle Tom's Cabin assures us that the story is derived from real sources, it doesn't take any rigour to detect a whiff of propaganda and dramatic fabrication interwoven throughout, to the point that the author felt uncomfortable enough to go back and write that foreword assuring us that there is truth behind the fiction. Based on the text itself, the author tells us that buying a healthy, educated slave was incredibly expensive, then they seek to convince us that a slave owner would intentionally destroy that. Is it impossible? No. but we'd consider it an aberration like a lunatic buying a supercar and smashing it into a pile of worthless junk because they don't like the sound of the engine rather than selling it on. It's not something you could accept as an account of everyday life.
@furtim1
2 жыл бұрын
Educating your own slaves was illegal in Virginia in the 1860s. This was probably true in other states as well. So, keeping your analogy, "improving your car" was illegal.
@jalander8817
2 жыл бұрын
Uncle Toms Cabin is about as genuine as the Diary of Ann Frank. Both are spells cast by small hat sorcerers.
@rossevanricamara4169
2 жыл бұрын
@@furtim1 You don't want your car to have a mind of its own.
@Alex_Fahey
2 жыл бұрын
@@furtim1 Teaching them to read was the only skill that southern states tried to prevent following the horrifically violent slave revolts of that time. There was substantially fear around the terroristic abolitionists trying to poison their slaves' minds and turn them into brainwashed drones like the modern day "liberal arts" college student. Regardless of what you think of that idea, that was the common wisdom of the time. Keeping the analogy, it would be like Virginia made it illegal to replace your car's engine with a homemade rocket on the back. I think you'll find that kind of thing to be illegal everywhere with serious automobile use.
@johns6265
2 жыл бұрын
@@furtim1 The law doesn't really apply to fiction. Furthermore I would be doubtful of any assertions of what slaves could and couldn't learn according to the law, how would this even be policed? If a slave owner needs a slave who can read to perform their duties and teaches them, it's difficult to interfere with that. It just seems like you're a willing conduit for distortion and propaganda about an era where a significant proportion of the population couldn't read or write regardless of whether they were a slave.
@Daimo83
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent lecture. I'm glad you included communities because that's something we lack. I would have liked to see an exploration of people selling themselves back into slavery, with the obvious implication that it could happen if trends continue. Controversial idea: What if slavery is cyclical in history, similar to boom and bust cycles but on much larger time frames? 500 years? As each technological revolution is exploited to the maximum, returns become smaller, thus necessitating a return to material shelter and security...
@Allin1Xavi
Жыл бұрын
Im literally planning to write novels addressing my concerns for the future of not only the country but the world but it’s very going to be very dramatic and has some fictional themes
@GlasbanGorm
2 жыл бұрын
The freemarket answer is still correct wageslaves are less costly. Therefore moneyed "freemen" would undercut the manoralistic system of slave plantations.
@cindermountain
2 жыл бұрын
Wait, freedom IS slavery?
@tadpoledystopia2456
2 жыл бұрын
More like slavery is freedom. Thats what we have been told, and many lap it up.
@benjaminjo
Жыл бұрын
As an AA, most people would be FAR better off being in slave-like conditions of the past, both black and white people. They'll get free healthcare, food, clothing, shelter, and all they have to do is put in a few hours work per day to justify the expense and make it worthwhile for the owners. That's a pretty sweet deal. For a very small FEW people, absolute freedom is ideal, but with that, is the 'freedom' to fail, starve and end up homeless. With absolute freedom comes absolute responsibility. This means, you'd need to make a significantly greater income as a business owner or investor, to justify the benefits of being truly free. Becuase if you're working for or under any other man for provision, if you're ever fired or let go, you'd be in the breadline. So freedom, the way it is in the constitution, only really works if you're an aspiring entrepreneur/investor with a certain set of skills that can produce wealth in quick fashion and allow you the mobility and flexiblity to live your life how you please. MOST people do NOT have the skills, ability or talent to do this. Freedom works exceptionally well when you're independently wealthy. Freedom sucks tremendously when you are poor. And most people do not have the risk profile, appetitite or desire to risk being poor in the mud for freedom. What they want, as was said here, is SECURITY, and as a man who seeks freedom OVER security, I am the exception to the rule. I've shared with people who hate their jobs with a passion a way to "get out", on the condition they'd need to take risks, make mistakes like I did, fail multiple times, and then MAYBE they'll be successful. Nope. They'd rather clock in and out where they know they're getting a gauranteed paycheck. The prospect of freedom is enticing until you realize YOU are 100% responsible for your livlihood. That's the reality of owners/masters people don't talk about. They're taking the brunt of the risk to succeed financially, to then employ those who don't want to take on even a fraction of that risk.
@AURORA08A
2 жыл бұрын
@13:17 i am shocked to discover that a freeman who must buy the necessaries of life from D. Moses and sons whilst working in the 'free market' might fare less happily than the slave provided for by a patriarchal owner and his own effort in off-times. One should not be surprised, and might recall Cobbett's anger at the violence done against the English peasantfolk by reformation (privatisation of low rent church land, whose monastic owners were sworn to charity) and enclosure (removal of customary hunting and grazing rights, and so driving 'primitive accumulation' of both capital and creation of exploitable denuded labour)
@oliveryoung9926
Жыл бұрын
The real problem with slavery is the word itself, because it is encourages disrespect. I think that the idealogical repulsion at 'being a slave' was what drove its abolition
@aaronarhelm9113
2 жыл бұрын
Since you will not say it, I will. Slavery is morally neutral.
@followingtheroe1952
2 жыл бұрын
Excatly. Ppl talk shit about it like an ex that was "crazy" in hindsight. Nobody had a problem when humans contributed the most amount of work/energy into the market and required slaves
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
2 жыл бұрын
My morality says it's wrong, because I'm a liberal.
@aaronarhelm9113
2 жыл бұрын
@@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin care to explain why you believe slavery is wrong?
@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756
2 жыл бұрын
lol I've known this for a long time, but it still hits like a truck. I can say this as a college educated worker in tech, you'll likely be in your late twenties or in your early thirties before you breach that $30 mark... Though there is things left out of the video that would be nice to clarify. Things like the $9.50 for rent and food I'd assume means you live in the slums eating a low meat and fruit diet. Others would be how much different modern insurances add to modern wages or hours worked bundled with vacation time. Then there is the classic "but look what tech like air conditioning and cars you could buy now" and how that could affect various costs. Another "fun" (black pilled) video in this vein would be the difference between modern welfare queen vs unskilled labor vs skilled labor vs college educated labor. I'd assume the economic quality of life would be drastically closer than people assume especially when you take into account the different ages and investment needed to break into one of those sets.
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
2 жыл бұрын
You have to work pretty darn hard to breach 30 dollars by age 30. Odds are you have student loans.
@admontblanc
2 жыл бұрын
Compare the costs of mechanical equipment, the replacement of slaves. I come from a small rural village of 1000 people. The majority of the families used to, up to 30 years ago, work at least a small plot of farmland, many others would at least provide manpower for the ones who owned farmland. The vast majority of these small landowners could own small tractors, or some other micro farming appliance with a lawnmower engine. My own grandfather, up until 4 years before he died, relied on ancient hand equipment like shovels, hovels etc. The families that lived exclusively from farming, and who actually owned big equipment like John Deere large tractors, and automated reapers/pickers etc were at most 5 families, with the wealthier 2 among them having branch activities like raising cattle. You can apply what I'm telling you in this story to 1800s America and realize how the stratification and hierarchy of southern slave owners was distributed over the general population.
@ahleeyou
5 ай бұрын
It’s hilarious how the same guys who constantly say “you will own nothing and be happy” as a way to joke about liberal dogma will unironically say slavery was pretty good actually
@Elsneakakaze
2 жыл бұрын
The community aspect of slavery was 100x better than the community life of the modern day. Most slaves were married, fed REAL FOOD, owned their own housing, and had tight knit families. Find me any american community that has those things today, and ill find you an amish person still living in the 1850s.
@tomdip2094
2 жыл бұрын
And slavery was far from the ideal conditions for this either. Goes to show how utterly corrupted our society has become.
@dallenpowell2745
3 ай бұрын
This should never be used to justify slavery. This should definitely be used to improve the lives of working people now and forever going forward. If our "economic freedom" is worse than slavery then we need to improve our Human Rights and economic systems. There is no justification for depriving a human of their own self-ownership or their individual economic freedoms.
@sunset261
2 жыл бұрын
26:40 correction needed: The incident of him being captured by confederates and beaten supposedly happened AFTER he had arrived in the union camp with the whipping scars. The actual story from his testimony is equally enlightening. According to Gordon's own testimony he was whipped because he had a psychotic break, burned his clothes, and attempted to shoot multiple people including his own wife. The overseer whipped him severely for it but the master dismissed the overseer when he learned about it.
@sunset261
Жыл бұрын
@@Mr.K.14823 No the overseers were white. You're thinking of the black slave drivers who would often work under them.
@Jigsaw0097
Жыл бұрын
How do you keep slavery while “morally” removing slavery? You design and plan an economic system that makes you believe you are “free” to choose whatever type of slavery you want.
@AllenDobkin
2 жыл бұрын
Sincerely, Plantation Slavery was American Socialism and the most successful Socialism which has never been matched! No self-ownership. Must work but free food, shelter, clothing, health care. Personal Property yes; Private Property no. Family and children encouraged. No Mass starvations. No society destroying revolutions. Less crime than any other socialism. Your life had value to the state, which cannot be argued seriously to be true today.
@arunsharma4334
10 ай бұрын
Slavery and wage slavery same difference. You illustrated well just how little we have progressed
@bort5448
2 жыл бұрын
The main thing you miss is that the government effectively subsidizes a large portion of the actual income of unskilled workers. At a low wage job you qualify for food stamps, section 8 housing, and medicaid, so in practice low wage workers have sufficient disposable income for drugs and video games even if they aren't building up any real wealth. Also, this means that McDonald's effectively is getting taxpayers to cover half the wages they would have to pay if there were no welfare programs.
@robertmacdonaldch5105
2 жыл бұрын
The efforts against Walmart labor practices confirm such businesses do this on purpose
@DB-rp2gj
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who was on welfare, unless you're working like 20 hrs part time you aren't getting food stamps unless you have kids or getting Medicaid. Anything over 30 hrs worked you can get fucked according to the government.
@ivayloi736
3 ай бұрын
There is one BIG difference though. The slaves were forced into slavery, while the US citizens actively created this situation for themselves. They voted these politicians, they allowed central banks to confiscate their gold and give them FIAT debt based currency that made the rich - richer and the poor - poorer. They allowed the wars, the uncontrolled spending, the destruction of US culture and religion, etc, etc. While we can compare the life purely economically, and yes it's kind of worse for many, the more important aspect is how one ended up there. In one case - it was against one's will, in the other - consequence of that will
@donbunson5031
2 жыл бұрын
The althypothesis channel did a great job with this subject and in particular the slave trade. His video is still findable on google a few results below reddit attempts to debunk it.
@wizzydq1
2 жыл бұрын
*puffs cigar. "things I'll never do, bring back slavery, pay the medical bills of a slave child. Not enough time"
@baller15g
9 ай бұрын
Things are the same today with more steps. No community and no personal space.
@OrangeT3am
2 жыл бұрын
They owned nothing and they were happy
@Charlemagne_III
2 жыл бұрын
"Would you abuse something you spent thousands of dollars on?" - Only if I was a black guy.
@admontblanc
2 жыл бұрын
kek
@wolfiestreet6899
2 жыл бұрын
Or a footballer.
@halidehelux5221
2 жыл бұрын
Bro.....you didn't even capitalize Black....
@joebloggs479
2 жыл бұрын
33:30 Broke - Believe all women woke - Believe all slaves
@FeHearts
2 жыл бұрын
On why the North was richer than the South it should be noted that the state with the highest GDP per Capita before the Civil War was Mississippi. The Southern states just had smaller populations that the Northern ones before the invention of air conditioning.
@tomdip2094
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting if true. I'm sure I remember reading a book by Sowell that claimed the southern states were poorer during and after slavery, with a slower rate of growth too.
@Jacob-pu4zj
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomdip2094 'tis lolbert cope. The South was wealthier per capita in 1860 and paying most of the taxes through tariffs on imported British goods.
@Dan-gs3kg
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jacob-pu4zj to say the least of the extreme taxes the South paid that ended up in the civil war.
@aaronbrown8377
2 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer more one to one comparisons. If we're talking about a rural slave in 1780, it doesn't seem reasonable to compare him directly with a man in urban London at the height of the industrial revolution. Moreover, the plight of the man during the industrial revolution does not pertain to the plight of the average man today. I don't know about you but I don't sleep in a coffin. A more apt comparison would be the plight of a slave in 1780 vs the plight of a free-born white man in 1780. This doesn't have to be a purely economic argument either, it would just be more valid.
@tuvegeto137
2 жыл бұрын
That's entirely missing the point of the exercise, being: comparing slave conditions then with "slave" conditions now.
@koetimoep
2 жыл бұрын
Retvrning to economy videos? Nice. I always liked them mixed in between the streams.
@jalander8817
2 жыл бұрын
Two books on the real conditions of slavery in the American South: Roll Jordan Roll by Eugene Genovese (a Yankee Marxist) And Time on the Cross by Fogel and Engerman. Neither book is by a southerner and both shatter the BS Roots or Steven Shpielberg depictions of slavery.
@danielkrcmar5395
2 жыл бұрын
The author of Roots has actually admitted that it's just a mythology for African Americans and not accurate. What's worse is that even with that admission schools still use Roots as their main teaching aid for slavery.
@RoyalProtectorate
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this video, this is the one thing I have to constantly have to counter signal liberals on the information.
@explosionpills
2 жыл бұрын
A thought provoking video in the classic AA style for which I have a response. First off, I don't think that comparing Southern US Slavery of the 19th century to modern day low/minimum wage work is a fair comparison. The 1860 census said there were about 300,000 slaves that accounted for about 1% of the population, and the current number of people in poverty (a shorthand for the minimum wage worker and perhaps the better target for this discussion) in the US is 32 million -- 10 times as many people in relative terms and 1,000 times in absolute terms. Thus, I think it's harder to draw conclusions by comparing the two populations, especially since the poor live all over the US whereas slaves were more geographically restricted. It's also difficult to compare the material circumstances of the two groups because of technological differences. Modern day poor people have access to modern goods that slaves and anyone from the time didn't. This reminds me of the pay vs. productivity / CPI comparisons that look at goods from different time periods. This includes things like modern housing, utilities like electricity and plumbing, central heating and cooling, accessible potable water, public transportation, roads, libraries, public education (inasmuch as that is a good), etc. Not only that, but many (most?) poor people receive subsidies as well which can include food and housing. The number of people receiving such benefits exceeds the number of people in poverty. Wealth also correlates with age, so many people living in poverty or working a minimum wage will not stay that way for their lifetime as opposed to a slave who is a slave for life unless he can buy his freedom under the rare circumstances presented in the video. I assume that highly skilled poor people also typically do not remain poor. It may make more sense to compare the material circumstances of an 1800s slave to that of a poor free man while also comparing circumstances of a modern day poor person to a modern day slave, if we could get reasonable data about that. I think it's probably quite rare in the US, but maybe I'm wrong. The original question is also misleading. I think it should be presented as: would you rather be poor or a slave. There is a difference between working for only food and housing and being a slave. You have to work and can't leave as a slave, but you won't necessarily stay poor or as a minimum wage worker forever. I'm also not sure how useful the question is as a heuristic without analyzing stated vs. revealed preference. There are jobs that offer food and housing benefits, and people don't seem to be clamoring for those exactly. I do get that the purpose of the comparison is to point out that minimum wage workers are not exactly free. AA even uses lefty rhetoric in the video saying that working at or below subsistence at McDonald's is not truly free, but what is the conclusion supposed to be? There is no freedom from responsibility, work, or the other burdens of life. Does someone flipping burgers or taking orders at McDonald's really work harder than a slave in the South in the 1860s? Regardless, the video is also pointing out that if slaves had it so good (relatively), something needs to change because what kind of society would have people living in material or social conditions worse than slaves? My question is: what do we do about it? Slavery is bad, so bringing it back is clearly not an option. Even if we could, and we had enough slave jobs for 1% of the population, that only makes circumstances ostensibly better for about 10% of the poor. The war on poverty has clearly failed, so the answer is not necessarily in social benefits although those may work to some degree and probably need to be restructured. Raising the minimum wage may help some people but will also increase unemployment, hurting others. Free housing, education, and medical care all exist in various forms and have their degrees of successes and failures, but they haven't changed the material circumstances of the poor that much. And what about the social circumstances? We can't force poor people or people in general to engage in community building like what was done with slaves. So what do we do now?
@susiewood5329
2 жыл бұрын
When I researched my family history in 18th and 19th century West Berkshire I read many accounts of contemporary agricultural labouring life to get a feel for the world in which they lived. Truly appalling, it broke my heart. I went on to read of coal miners, factory workers and merchant seamen out of interest. Descendant's of US and Caribbean slaves will get no more sympathy from me than fellow white Brits and this constant narrative that WE benefited from THEIR slavery makes my blood boil. The people who benefited from all our misery were the same, just like today.
@jciocci2000
2 жыл бұрын
I worked for 3.25 my first job in America. My second job was in New England thrice as much. Now it’s not much more :(
@Holte1114
2 жыл бұрын
Did you find any data on how many hours a week a slave worked?
@goodlookinouthomie1757
2 жыл бұрын
My immediate reaction to the opening question is to go for the hourly payment rather than the "servitude" as it just feels obnoxious and undignified to be effectively owned or controlled directly by someone else. I am inclined toward the freedom to choose the food or accommodation I wish, even though these may well be of lower quality than those which my "master" might provide. I've been self employed for 15 years after a decade of corporate wage slavery and the thought of going back to a normal 9-5 salaried job is frankly chilling to me. I took a big cut to my income when I made this move and I would have to be in dire straits before I returned to it. I probably earn no more than I would now if I had stayed in my former job and pursued a few promotions - but my health, mental wellbeing and general happiness are 1000% improved.
@topman8565
2 жыл бұрын
Be careful kulak😜
@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756
2 жыл бұрын
That is a solid point that I agree to, but its not the point addressed here. Many people simply just do not have skills to do that and "kiss the ring" for any work they can get. Life as an unskilled laborer at any time in history has been rough, but many people even today fall into that category
@goodlookinouthomie1757
2 жыл бұрын
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 Well I left a job that I'd got a university degree for and started from scratch as a tradesman, with hardly any skills at all in that industry. I suspect that many of those people lack not the skills - these can be learned - but the ability or the inclination. However I take your point. In a situation where the economy simply does not present the possibility to do what I did, I would put that in the "dire straits" scenario that I mentioned.
@goodlookinouthomie1757
2 жыл бұрын
@@topman8565 You know my boomer mum (a farmer's wife) actually joked the other day "when they come and take all the land off us", which took me by surprise. Even the normies have a sense of what's happening to our country.
@wolfiestreet6899
2 жыл бұрын
Well said sir, your first instinct was correct.
@robertmacdonaldch5105
2 жыл бұрын
22:00 the cost of an African slave is very similar to buying a new car today. Remember every household was ready invested in some form of transportation. So this cost would have been on top of you owning a car or 2. That's alot of money
@bubbahottep8644
7 ай бұрын
One difference between slaves and modern minimum wage workers is that the slave had no opportunity to improve and move up to better jobs. Slavery is more akin to a system where noone can move up, a place where the cab driver and the medical doctor make the same amount. Like Cuba, for example.
@halidehelux5221
2 жыл бұрын
I really hate how most normies that are have next to pathetic understanding of history act as though black slaves were the only people in history to have been whipped or flogged as disciplinary action. The picture in the video is quite an extreme example, don't get me wrong, but I'm pretty sure many a sailor/soldier in the British Commonwealth had put up with just as harsh measures. I think the English Navy had particularly hard discipline measures.
@Allin1Xavi
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I’m honestly sick of the same age old stories being but in the US education. It’s always got to be about black slavery and they never ever teach a thing or two about other kinds of slavery, especially the white Barbary slave trade. It seems like the internet is also out to not allow people to learn about other kinds of slavery because every time you search slavery, you’re showed with African American slavery
@vinniewedge
2 жыл бұрын
About your comment about people choosing to be jailbirds to get shelter and food. I’ve heard first hand accounts from a jail guard family member that it’s the case. Especially in the cold midwestern winter.
@CynicalOldDwarf
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the real life Bond villain is right; we really would be happier owning nothing, living in the pods, eating zee bugs? Serfdom seems a happy medium between Freemen and Slavery, you agree for a period of time to work for a land owner in exchange for food and shelter, but still maintain the freedom to tell a horrible master to stick it up his arse and move to a better one.
@juliantheapostate8295
8 ай бұрын
Serfs were tied to the land. Peasants could move to new masters and ranked above serfs
@skylinefever
2 ай бұрын
I often discuss how the system will make the happiness by cyberpunk wirehead tech.
@jester9217
2 жыл бұрын
The only people I know making 30 dollars an hour working blue collar mfg style work are supervisor's with quite a few years of experience. Outside that your getting into your skilled labor like contractor's and plumber's. (Michigan is where I live)
@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756
2 жыл бұрын
yep had the same thought. even with company insurance to boost your pay rate, you usually still have to put some money every paycheck into it
@jameschambers2346
5 ай бұрын
@AcademicAgent a particular point that I've never seen made about that photo of the slave with the scars, is that those are not normal scars. The person in question clearly has the genetic medical condition called keloid scarring, which is common amongst people with dark skin. A person with this condition can develop such scars from even mild scrapes or bruises that wouldn't make a mark on a normal person. The severity of their scars are of not necessarily a reliable indication of the magnitude of the force that was required to create them.
@almightyyt2101
2 ай бұрын
Imagine playing the game of Monopoly where no ones trying to win by gathering more than their fellow players but everyone is working together trying to make it so everyone benefits in some important ways by ensuring they all get a win once in a while and not preyed on until they have no spot on the Earth which is what being homeless is like - your every move must be planned to coincide with the appearance you belong where you are - when housing is too expensive the quality of life goes down and if housing is unaffordable you wont have a quality of life for very long unless you necome a skilled gatherer of resources - who among us would be that kind of go getter starting with only the clothes on their back?
@SonofTiamat
2 жыл бұрын
It's been a while since you've done an economics video
@AlwaysHopeful87
2 жыл бұрын
I think the question behind AA's question, "What is freedom?"
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
2 жыл бұрын
natural rights, self actualization and ambition
@mr.mcfife4131
2 жыл бұрын
You disregard that most of those minimum wage workers do not stay minimum wage workers all their lives yet slaves do stay slaves.
@JohnnyMarvin
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I do have one thing to challenge you on. If I spent $37k on a car, would I beat it if it didn’t start? Very unlikely. However, in the matter of slaves in the antebellum south, the slave owners hired individuals known as overseers, literally to oversee the slaves and punish them accordingly to maintain discipline. Granted this may not have necessarily resulted in a brutal flogging, but I don’t think the overseer would be as diligent towards some one that they did not directly invest in. Just a thought.
@Copeman9999
2 жыл бұрын
Fair point, they definitely wouldn't be as diligent as the owner, however a mechanic that smacks cars with a wrench because he can't get them to start isn't getting many repeat customers.
@skylinefever
2 ай бұрын
I suppose the overseers were paid according to how much they could extract out of slaves, without smacking them.
@oliveryoung9926
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. You've changed my perspective on slavery entirely.
@buddyduddyful
2 жыл бұрын
In this scenario will the $7.25 an hour be taxed?
@GhostofTradition
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but when you file taxes you basically get it all back
@cefalopodo5717
18 күн бұрын
You mention that these people were better off under slavery but i object: materially they were better off, but slavery is also a matter of human dignity. This is no nitpick: modern times are a constant reminder that the material alone is not sufficient to provide wellbeing to a person. In your polls a lot of people responded they would prefer a treatment similar to the slaves but there is a key aspect to highlight: these people are choosing to endure those conditions, and there is no statement about them being unable to exit the arrangement in the future. Slaves, on the other hand, were forced into being the personal property of another man, to literally not being recognized as humans, and could not change their condition.
@contrabashan
3 ай бұрын
This is rather eye-opening.
@robertmacdonaldch5105
2 жыл бұрын
5:00 people forget African slaves were one of the most expensive investments a farmer could make. White slaves on the other hand were cheap
@_GOD_HAND_
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that because White slaves were indentured servants, as opposed to chattel property? So the comparison is more analogous to renting an apartment for a few years vs. buying a house.
@robertmacdonaldch5105
2 жыл бұрын
@@_GOD_HAND_ yes and no. Its true that made African slaves more valuable and generally treated better. It also meant white slaves could have their "contracts" messed with. Such being extended for all sorts of made up fees or costs
@davidmoutray2644
4 ай бұрын
Per the U.S. Dept. of Justice statistics, approximately 5.1% of all Americans will spend time in State or Federal prison at some point in their lives (based on 1991 incarceration rates). So, AA's comparison of whipping to prison is almost exact. 95% of American slaves in the mid-19th century were never whipped. 95% of all Americans in the late 20th century never spent time in prison. On a personal note, were I given the choice between a reasonably severe whipping and two years in state prison, I might take the whipping.
@marcjurchak197
2 жыл бұрын
Nobody claims that slavery was not profitable. The libertarian claim is that it stifled innovation, and got outcompeted by industry. AA should have brought up the fact that slavery was abolished peacefully everywhere in the world except America and Haiti. This was mostly because it became more profitable to free and educate slaves for factory jobs (which fits with the thesis of the video, i.e. paying a factory worker small wages was better than maintaining a slave)
@thehound9638
2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't given up peacefully. In Britain compensation was paid to slaveholders as English law dictates that property that was acquired legally can not be confiscated without compensation. There was also a danger of civil war within the British empire (the French would've won that.) Elsewhere many countries only abolished slavery because they were bullied by Britain. That was the case with the Arabs and most of Europe. Napoleon reintroduced slavery and Britain forced the French to outlaw slavery once more after the Napoleonic wars! Sierra Leone has a capital founded by Britain called "free town" where slaves rescued by the Royal Navy (Africa squadron) were sent to live out their days as freemen within the British empire. This is not meant as a pro British rant but instead these are some historical facts which are easy to look up. The point is nobody willingly gave up slavery, many countries only gave it up because the Royal Navy blew their ships out of the water!
@whitehawk4099
2 жыл бұрын
In these very comments I have seen the claim that slavery wasn't profitable (or at least, as profitable as wage labour) because the owner has to pay people to prevent slaves from running off. I have seen these claims many times before.
@marcjurchak197
2 жыл бұрын
@@thehound9638 very interesting, I didn't know that.
@Dan-gs3kg
2 жыл бұрын
@@whitehawk4099 The oddity is that it's the same argument with slightly altered "this was worse". Per innovation rates, I don't see that as being very hampered, especially compared to the hellscape of the patent office, and corporate and academic sabotage nowadays.
@thealienauthor3437
2 жыл бұрын
It is obvious that slavery is sensationalized your political climate of today, but the problem with looking at your slavery with broad statistics is that slavery varied between geographic regions and even between plantations in the same general area. Solomon Northup's account is perhaps most notable about this point as he laments being sold by one good master and being put into the hands of a terrible one. About the car analogy: cars are indeed expensive, but does every car owner take good care of their vehicle?
@1lobster
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. But I’d also simply say that, freedom is not a privilege. It’s a responsibility. The happy slave of yesteryear, is best compared to the modern day basement dweller. He was one lacking manly ambition, who was content to live like an adult child, doing a few menial chores in exchange for food and shelter. Most unwholesome in my opinion.
@thealienauthor3437
2 жыл бұрын
@@1lobster Interesting point. I think that may play an important part when it comes to some of the slave narratives. Some slaves were hell bent on being anything but a slave and were willing to take on any number of hardships unfathomable to many of us today in order to find some semblance of freedom.
@1lobster
2 жыл бұрын
@@thealienauthor3437 that’s why Canadian blacks are so well integrated. They are descend from runaway slaves.
@brianbob7514
2 жыл бұрын
They did have a lot less options, perhaps that makes a difference?
@wolfiestreet6899
2 жыл бұрын
I believe AA is looking at this purely from an economic point of view. But you're quite right.
@jciocci2000
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work on this one ☝🏻 👏🏻
@Stirlingsays
2 жыл бұрын
He said he'll do it and he did.
@copudesado
2 жыл бұрын
Much good here, but towards the end it falters massively in the claim that slavery funded the industrial revolution. Grain was grown by freemen overwhelmingly, not slaves. Your entire argument here relies upon one graph which says slaves were profitable. That doesn't mean they were the only ones doing anything. Furthermore the efficiency of free farms were higher than those of slaves - the fact that slaves turned a profit, doesn't erase the fact that freemen did it better. Ryan Faulk looked into the profit rates of various industries and found it was not particularly high for slave farming.
@cmcapps1963
5 ай бұрын
Bless your heart. I grew up on cornbread and this video is the first time I ever heard of it refered to in "loaves"
@chrismiracle
2 жыл бұрын
They could afford guitars as is evidenced by their inventing The Blues.
@DRTisKING
2 жыл бұрын
AA, I would say the better metric for 1850s misengenation is looking at how many whites and blacks have slave ancestry vs. Slave holder ancestry.
@unncommonsense
2 жыл бұрын
32:20 The low instances of slave revolt vs factory strikes is not comparable, because the consequences are not comparable.
@omegilla
2 жыл бұрын
"Looking at the material perspective" what kind of actual data do we have on the healthcare slaves received? This idea slaves had access to better healthcare is a fairly erroneous claim among many. Unless you have actual data, I highly doubt many slaves got much in terms of real health benefits compared certainly today. Early-Mid 1800s, doctors could comparatively do absolutely nothing. Slaves did not receive better Healthcare, and for what could be offered, it would always be weighed against the material value a slave could still conceivably provide. And again, that's IF anything cod be done, and in those days most anything could kill. It is entirely irrelevant. The fact the video trys to tout that in a agricultural society where plenty of food was produced locally that prices were low as being a sign of the charity of plantation owners amuses me. Big surprise that some people living in the exact same region have similar diets, like that was in question, or is somehow insightful. "Free room and board!" *goes on to talk about how slaves spent their free time erecting their own homes and gathering their own food* yeah I sure feel like I'm somehow worse off being able to go relax in my chair eating a sandwhich while I watch youtube in my air-conditioned bedroom. And why is it that the fact flogging is listed as a criminal punishment relevant to whether slaves were whipped? What slave owner took their own slave to court to have him prosecuted? A slave couldn't testify against a white man even if he wanted to. There's no actual data on the exact number of whipping but we have plenty of first hand accounts of it to conclude it was a thing. Whipping inflicted a lot of pain for comparatively less damage, and worked as a display of power to keep others in line. No one seriously thinks slaves were daily whipped, but to pretend like anyone can say it was not anything notable is an idiot. Slaves had no rights, and each plantation might be different but I've never known mankind not to abuse authority. There was no recourse for slaves, and to minimize that injustice by pretending they were practically pampered by todays standards and barely even touched is monstrous. I know 90% of the idiots who will even see my comment already stopped reading and have posted their comment on how I'm a cuck or whatever, but I don't care. I'm not the one needing to minimize the wrongdoings of my ancestors so that I can feel more comfortable engaging in my own brand of anti-woke identity politics.
@didles123
2 жыл бұрын
LOL, why should anyone feel the need to minimize slavery? Anyone with a brain knows the horrors of slavery is just a trite political talking point at this point to justify further looting of America. The amount of pain and sufferings that has happened at the hands of black criminals far outweighs any injustice faced by black slaves, and crime is an ongoing horror. The thing is you feel the need to maximize the wrong doing of other people's ancestors. Also, your comment is mainly just rhetoric and nitpicking. It's not really informative (providing statistics or context) so it doesn't put things into perspective.
@KaiserTheAdversary
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video AA!
@evan448
2 жыл бұрын
What you have to keep in mind is plantations grew their own food they didnt buy it or at least would avoid it. And only so much time during the year can actually be dedicated to the cash crops So it wouldnt cost the owner anything but land to grow their food
@evan448
2 жыл бұрын
And even then you have to consider the seasonality of crops Some time of the year spent doing this vs spent doing that
@thisismedgr
2 жыл бұрын
Some eye opening information in here, thanks for the vid!
@rwatertree
2 жыл бұрын
The part about how well fed slave were raised my eyebrow. Maybe AA is being a bit generous in how large he imagines portions of meat used to 'season' meals were. In the West Indies the cuisine that we've inherited from the slaves and indentured laborers is rich is complex carbs but the meat tends to be tings like ox tail, pig knuckles and chicken feet or is minced and distributed in paella-like dishes. My understanding is that slavery in the US and BWI can be roughly divided in to periods before and after the import of slaves was banned in 1807. This video focuses almost exclusively on the latter period when the lack of relatively cheap replacements encouraged owners to be more careful with their human property than before.
@thorogood473
2 жыл бұрын
that's something I was hoping he would go over in the video, as the ability to replenish the supply of labour determined how masters would treat their slaves in their respective countries.
@AcademicAgent
2 жыл бұрын
The part on meat portions was calculated using exactly what Frederick Douglas said he received
@anthonykeane4984
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say the food issue in the west indies would be worse due to space . If all the farmland was for cash crop plantations. There's nowhere to grow food or raise livestock . Might explain the sparse diet compared to American slaves .
@thorogood473
2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonykeane4984 In the book "Columbus to Castro" goes in depth into this issue
@anthonykeane4984
2 жыл бұрын
@@thorogood473 interesting thanks ill look out for that one
@danmuygallo
Жыл бұрын
Great video, but a minor point from 9:33, 8 lbs of pork in the UK today costs about £12 depending on the cut, so comparble to the amount paid in the 19th century, but much cheaper in comparative terms.
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