Edit: forgot to mention, come join my newly created discord! discord.com/invite/2dMTfFk6pv Soo...I'm quite confused by this now, what does it imply for redeemed Durge runs while romancing her? What about the endings? Anyone got an explanation for me? xD
@KratosisGod
6 ай бұрын
Saw a video that was posted yesterday it seems this is just some dialogue you still get the ending if you're romancing minthara and haven't accepted bhaal, nonetheless this is very annoying what happened to the old dialogue about how no one would remember her?
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@KratosisGodNo idea but, this doesn't make much sense then, what's the point D:
@KratosisGod
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz Also the repeating dialogue bug is still there only the line about the emperor has been replaced by a line about elminster tasking gale to blow himself up and how it would ruin her plans to take over the cult.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@KratosisGodWell, I guess we'll see on next update 😞
@OakandIV
6 ай бұрын
Whoever wrote that has forgotten the distinction between lawful evil, which wants to conquer and rule, and chaotic evil, which wants to kill and cause pain for the joy of destruction. Which is strange, because most of the time they get Minthara’s personality so right.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
@radicalfishstickstm8563
6 ай бұрын
I mean she says it herself: it’s about power. She saw herself ruling at the side of a conqueror but instead you give it up to maintain your psyche, which is a poor bargain in her eyes.
@OakandIV
6 ай бұрын
@@radicalfishstickstm8563 True. But the Bhalspawns goal, as he says in the letter he wrote you find in the mindflayer colony at the end of act two on the table not far from the slack skinned head, is to murder the world, and finally end his own life in tribute to his father. No empire. No legacy. Not even anything to rule. Unless Minthara knows nothing about Bhal, she knows that will be his goal. Chaotic evil might go along with that. Lawful evil wants something to rule. Of course, the same thing is true about Bane agreeing to the alliance, so maybe she somehow thinks she can control the spawn.
@Foxtrox7616
5 ай бұрын
@@radicalfishstickstm8563 I don't recall her breaking up if you refuse to become the absolute?
@radicalfishstickstm8563
5 ай бұрын
@@Foxtrox7616 fair point. But have you tried it since the new update?
@user-kj8dl9tj3p
6 ай бұрын
There literally has to be an option - “The only power I need is myself”. Kreya style. And right after hot scene. Right on the altar 😂
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
I like that 👀
@towelgirl21
6 ай бұрын
Someone played through the game after this point with a few variations. She doesn't actually break up with you, nothing changes, this line never comes up again. It's like she has a random stupid tantrum for two minutes and forgets right after.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Which makes even less sense to me, what's the point then D:
@towelgirl21
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz I hope it's just a bug
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@towelgirl21 me too, or a line intended for different levels of approval maybe
@MrVirus9898
6 ай бұрын
How does it not make sense? Minthara is a Drow, she obsesses over power and control, and engages in lateral violence. This tantrum is just another method of control. Even that forced laugh. Minthara does not *care* about Durge, but she does care about the Durge caring about her.
@towelgirl21
6 ай бұрын
@@MrVirus9898 then why doesn't she get mad later if you destroy the elder brain rather than taking its power? That's stronger than Bhaal, and you don't turn into a mindless murder machine. Earlier in the game, Minthara says she'll mercy-kill your Durge if you go too far. Her having a fit here doesn't make sense.
@charlesboots6508
6 ай бұрын
Is this the same character who says "I would not want a devil to hold our fate in his hands any more than a god. We should trust in ourselves!" a few hours earlier? I think someone at Larian is having trouble with the distinction between LAWFUL Evil and CHAOTIC Evil; this makes more sense as a reaction to rejecting Bane's plan for ordered tyranny with you on top, rather than Bhaal's "murderize everyone, then kill yourself!" plan.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
I honestly can't say at this point, am just as confused
@sayo5885
6 ай бұрын
Yeah they fucked her up so badly
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@sayo5885 Hopefully will get fixed
@Velvolktra
6 ай бұрын
It looks like Mintara's head writer was cut loose and assigned to someone else to write it, otherwise I can't explain the illogicality of this change
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Me either, no clue
@juanlaise1059
5 ай бұрын
It was a bug.
@Saretz
5 ай бұрын
@@juanlaise1059 Yeah, already posted an updated video of it
@viconpc9531
6 ай бұрын
Her VA gave it her all in this one
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
She did, problem is the script :v
@KratosisGod
6 ай бұрын
Minthara is my favourite character in this game but the main issue with her is that she's also the buggiest companion even before they allowed good aligned players to recruit her she had instances where her dialogue wouldn't trigger.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
^ this
@towelgirl21
6 ай бұрын
Emma Gregory is a legend
@darkpokemon109
6 ай бұрын
This feels like the writers don't know whether to make minthara pure evil because she's available to good player play throughs now or just make her full megalomaniac. Minthara is a very wise character that has been scorned and almost destroyed by her thirst for power. With an evil playthrough I can understand minthara falling back to her old power hungry ways by seeing the player make it work. But from a good playthrough I genuinely believe she would have learned that power by any means is what made her fall in the first place. And that she already had all the power she needed to conquer her fear. (By the player killing Orin)
@darkpokemon109
6 ай бұрын
Or even having an option to force minthara to fight Orin one on one(similar to dirge)
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@darkpokemon109 Agreed
@SexyInsanity17
6 ай бұрын
This is so stupid, given she has her own bit of redemption arc. I get wanting to have what power you can when facing the netherbrain, but this makes it sound like if you want to romance her, you would be forced to become the Absolute (skipping the epilogue) or bad ending for failing Bhaal. Does she also have this kind of reaction to player!Astarion choosing not to take the power of ascension?
@KratosisGod
6 ай бұрын
She used to have a better set of dialogue where she admits to her faults and accepts the fact that her life would have been inconsequential if you had killed her in your first meeting and get this she actually admits that lolth, bhaal and the absolute are all bad for their followers and now we have this.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Like I'm mentioning elsewhere, I'm starting to think it's either a bug, or maybe intended for lower levels of approval? Cause this doesn't work in my head
@MasterRaven0707
6 ай бұрын
It was added by the recent hotfix 21 and "THIS" hotfix made Minthara's fans(which I am also) very, very "UNHAPPY" to say the least, Minthara is already a technically "PROBLEMATIC" character and this "HOTFIX" literally made many of her fans out of their minds, the developers were able to literally break "ALL" of her character with "THIS" dialog. Guys, we "REALLY" need to write in support of Larian to have them remove this dialog, because this dialog makes no sense, it ruins the her entire character arc, ruins absolutely everything she said throughout the game about the gods, that they don't need followers, but only victims, that you need to achieve power by your own strength, not by the strength of the gods, because the price for these powers, will be too expensive, etc. This dialog literally breaks "ALL" of Minthara's personal progress, we need to fix it. Write as I did in support of Larian demanding that they "REMOVE" this dialog. This whole dialog is a mistake.This dialog makes no sense, it ruins the her entire character arc, ruins absolutely everything she said throughout the game about the gods.This dialog literally breaks "ALL" of Minthara's personal progress,this in her dialog:"What was I when you first knew me? Before you ever knew me? A mad woman, butchering prey in the name of a god who would discard me without a thought once I was no longer of use. Bhaal, Lolth… The Absolute. They do not have followers, they only have victims.And they reward devotion, with death. It is only because of you that I did not meet the same fate as Orin. Lost to madness and blood."This "NEW" dialog and the breakup with Minthara breaks "ALL" of Minthara's personal progress how character. Minthara’s exact words.She also says at the end of the game to a Dark Urge who decided not to enslave the netherbrain because they want to rule for themselves and not Bhaal that she agrees: “No more gods or monsters. No devils or demons to manipulate our fate. We reclaimed our freedom though everything was against us.” Minthara has been vocally against being puppeted by gods all game. She resents the notion. She gives the gods little stock in being able to overcome their merry band of misfits. In another scene she says, “Myrkul, Bane, Bhaal, and now Shar? Are there any gods who do not want the prism? No matter-they will all be disappointed. Lord Ao the Overgod could not take it from us.” I do not believe that a woman who is ready to defy Ao, fight Lolth, and who fights beside the progeny of the god of murder, newly revived by Jergal-the very god responsible for the Dead Three-is now ready to cower in fear over the netherbrain? An entity easily controlled by three stones and about Bhaal he would dispose of his devotees without second thought,he always did that. Bhaal doesn't care about the Dark Urge, he is his slave and his spawn who must do only his will, if he refuses he kills him without hesitation and says he will make a new one.Minthara would never submit to Bhaal, because to submit to him is to become his slave again, who will use you and then throw you out without hesitation once you're no longer of any use to him.Minthara is many things:cruel pragmatic, stubborn, and hotheaded. But she’s not stupid. P.S.Dear Larian:"FIX IT".
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
I remember you! Long time no see
@MasterRaven0707
6 ай бұрын
@Saretz Yeah), it's been a while since I've written anything, although I've watched a lot of your previous videos, I just don't always write comments.
@KratosisGod
6 ай бұрын
Is larian trying to make minthara annoying? This is the first time I've heard her say something that's both nonsensical and annoying at the same time, the dialogue sequence that used to trigger previously in this moment is gone, I think I'll go back to the last version before patch 6 this patch has introduced too many bugs.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
I think those are dialogues that she would come up with, they seem fitting, the problem is, they don't fit with the rest of the game now, I quite don't get it
@KratosisGod
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz The previous set of dialogues showed her character growth through the story she accepts what she used to be and how insignificant her life has been, instead we now have this childish tantrum cause minthara is evil 😑
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@KratosisGodYeah it's really odd, starting to think maybe it's a bug intended for different levels of approval?
@KratosisGod
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz Could be or maybe they're introducing some new dialogue specific for good aligned characters which is even more jarring cause her previous set of dialogue would fit better with a good character.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@KratosisGodMaybe, but still...
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
I hate this Scene. And i spam Larian with complain E-Mails. Now around 160.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Wait, it's not new? Never had it before now
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz it is new. I still hate it
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@finrodfelagund1052 oh alright then
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz now around 600 Spam/complain E-Mails
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@finrodfelagund1052 daaaaamn 😮
@ladyphoenixgrey3923
6 ай бұрын
It doesn't make sense for the character, romance aside. Her entire backstory is one of betrayal by those closest to her and having to constantly be looking over her shoulder, ready to take out even a lover or family member should an ambitious eye gaze too long in her direction. But you can help her start to see that there are those who aren't like that. Especially if you play a Seldarine Drow. You can relate to her, but also be a source of inspiration for getting out of the Underdark on your own terms. She even says as much. (Drow is my favorite (next to Dragonborn) and my tactician playthrough has been based entirely around getting her.) So if you romance her you can show her that you wouldn't do that to her. That in you she can finally find a hand to hold, not chain or cut off. And then she talk like this because you show her that in it's truest form by resisting the Urge??? Make it make sense. Please....
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
My guess is that it's either a bug, or a new approval-related reply, I didn't check if mine was maxed
@cameronmarcum3333
6 ай бұрын
This makes no sense for her character development
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Indeed
@dianabarnett6886
6 ай бұрын
Larian! You broke my Minthy again! 😡
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
😡😭
@p1553d0f
6 ай бұрын
Why does Larian hate Minthara so much?
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
😞
@borrow4654
6 ай бұрын
Please fix this larian. Minthara wants power but isn't gonna go crazy over you rejecting the influence of a God and being its puppet. She's very clear about that. You don't need to be the slayer to dominate the brain and rule with her. Non durge characters don't have this mess to deal with
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
🙏
@madjackgamingandfitness498
6 ай бұрын
Huge mistep on this. What’s there to rule over if you’re just killing for the sake of killing
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Ashes
@insaneyoohoo
6 ай бұрын
Another reason to never pick Dark Urge as the PC, not to even mention Alfira D:
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Well...Alfira is "avoidable", sort of, but I would say Durge is worth playing regardless, romancing Minthara is not a must
@pipp972
6 ай бұрын
Wym... Dark Urge is the main character of Bg3. You should only ever pick it.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@pipp972 "Only", no. But definitely should be played at least a couple of times
@leonlee527
6 ай бұрын
Lariant please stop playing with my Drow mommy 😢
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
🥲🥲
@What_do_I_Think
6 ай бұрын
This reaction makes Minthara a nogo for me. I planned to incorporate her into my durge run (not necessarily as romance interest) -- but now I will most likely abstain.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
From what I heard reading through comments, it plays out like this scene never happened and you're still together, but it's quite a bummer nonetheless, wonder what's going on with, is it really impossible to play good urge and romance her at the same time if they decide to follow through with this? We'll see I guess
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
@@SaretzLarian is kinda dumb
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@finrodfelagund1052I choose to believe it's a bug, or they unintentionally messed something up
@CreativeUsernameEh
6 ай бұрын
Toggling on non-lethal attacks is more trouble than Minthara is worse, apparently :( That said, respect for Larian for making a truly evil companion. Her lust for power eclipses everything else she holds dear.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Problem is, this doesn't match with what's been showed before
@zoranhorvat8284
6 ай бұрын
It seems that anointed in splendor buff stays on, even after long rest! All it takes one-time payment, to get it, and you don't even have to come back to pray at the beginning of each new day! Nice! Don't know if that's the new patch thing, or it's always been that way! Anyway, my playthrough has taken unexpected turn, dealt with Gortash, and returned to lower city, and I thought, I have enough spell slots left to wipe out the Baal's murder tribunal, and I did, bu then I heard the message that I have to face Orin that very day, before she finds out what I did, and takes revenge on the hostage! Luckily I had 2 angelic elixirs, to restore my spell slots, for the fight before Orin, that ambush.. After that, I need only my durge to have full health and everything, I faced her alone, prevailed, but this time was VERY close, had to resort to making her wet, and blasting her with chain-lightning and freezing spheres scrolls to finish her, cause dual-wielding melee made little impact! And now I have all 3 stones, and haven't been in house of hope yet to steal the contract, and Cazador quest still looms! Been to the house of grief, and added +2 to 3 of my characters, using equipment and buffs to boost my chances, and now I entered house of hope!
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
I usually go to the house of hope after dealing with Orin and Gortash myself, I'm more worried about fighting Raph than those two XD
@zoranhorvat8284
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz Yurgir was on Raphael's side this time, couldn't persuade him, and I was forced to cast globe of invulnerability around tightly grouped party, and that was BIG advantage! I even casted second one when first globe expired, and ironically, this time Korilla lasted longer than anybody, except Raphael! Orin fight was harder this time, it was tooth and nail! After dealing with Cazador, I finished the brain quickly, but with a number of scrolls that I hoarded, no wonder! And that last fight strategy I use, is INSANE, when you don't even have to face the dragon and other minions!
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@zoranhorvat8284 I never really stopped at fighting the dragon or any of the enemies in the arena, turn one I bombard them with allies, while I start making my way into the side, I kill the mins flayers and enter the brain, by the time I'm done they never really even touch me
@onedeadcat
6 ай бұрын
Thank the modders once again for coming up with a FIX to her schizo behavior.
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
Already? That was fast.. though I want to see if Larian addresses it themselves first
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
Did you have a clarifying conversation in the camp after the scene with Minthara? Is this how you can save the relationship? Have you talked?
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
At camp no, but after reading comments I tried talking to her after this scene and everything was like normal, as if it didn't even happen, lol
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz i hope a very very stupid Bug!
@choleeron
6 ай бұрын
Mithara was ok with me not being Bhaals reincarnation in my playthrough. But I didnt have these dialogue with her, I never asked...^^ Ans I didnt romance her, so maybe she will hate you, or learning from you and forget her stubborness.^^
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
How long ago was this playthrough? Cause this dialogue is very recent
@choleeron
6 ай бұрын
i began two or three month ago, and ended recently on march 6. I´m pretty sure she doesnt mean that, she broke with her goddess, her family, and thats a capital crime in her society. She doesn´t have anything like you, her mother will kill her right away.@@Saretz
@choleeron
6 ай бұрын
I ended it last week and its around one month that we were in the temple of Bhaal. But this reaction is pretty senseless for a female Drow who just broke up with her house.@@Saretz
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@choleeron Then yeah, I don't think it was in the game a month ago, and yes, dialogue is all over the place
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
This must be a bug
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
I am getting a strong sense of deja vu
@finrodfelagund1052
6 ай бұрын
@@Saretz in what Sense?
@Saretz
6 ай бұрын
@@finrodfelagund1052nevermind 👀
@searllas1825
6 ай бұрын
In my opinion, this scene does not "betray" Minthara's character as much as people think it does. Minthara has proven to be an irredeemable person who is blinded by power, who believes that you should always accumulate more power, whatever the source, in order to survive, ensure your freedom but also dominate lesser beings. She also is not as intelligent as people think, but SHE thinks she is THAT smart. She is extremely prideful, and that same arrogance led her to fall from grace and become a slave to the absolute (I could also mention that, if you betray her at the battle of the grove, she refuses to fall back and launch a frontal assault on the gate, leading to the death of her raiding party, and hers). Even after being save she is eager to make the same mistakes she did before, because she just REFUSE to evolve. She is a daughter of House Baenre, and I'm certain that learning from "lesser beings" is an alien concept to her. Her vision of the world is THE only good and logical one, if you disagree, you are either a fool or an enemy to be dealt with. Worst of all, she is a terrible influence, especially if you romance her. I'm persuaded that she cannot see that giving yourself fully to Bhaal would have made your Durge a slave to him, she only saw it as a big Power up, one that would have been needed in HER revenge against the Absolute. She is unable to feel empathy for you despite being so close to suffer the exact same torment she endured. In short, she was eager to push the PC to make the SAME terrible mistake she did before. And she also pushes Astarion to become the Vampire Ascendant if she is here at the moment of the ritual, even if it would means for Astarion to loose himself, once again for the sake of getting more personal power. Finally, I'll remind you that, unlike Gortash who really is a Lawful evil character, Minthara is clearly a Neutral evil one. She is deceitful, and will betray the rest of your group to rule the world with an Evil PC without a second thought, despite them helping the PC to save her in Act 2. Her """"Loyalty'''''''' is only motivated by interest. She does not love the PC for 'usual" reasons, she loves them ONLY because they share her twisted vision of the world, the moment that stops, she looses interest, question your leadership, and treat you as a liability.
@Saretz
5 ай бұрын
Turned out it was legacy content they enabled by mistake, a different vision of the character that didn't represent the current one. Just posted the video about it :)
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