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@CreativaArtly
3 ай бұрын
My go to cereal. Chocolate and cinnamon roll are definitely my faves.
@shepherddog1199
3 ай бұрын
Will look into it. Also, Aiden (hope I spelled it right), have you read the early Church Fathers?
@Davidiscrazy
3 ай бұрын
I think some of the weirdest and unsettling thing about missing people in woods. It’s that it plays out like a horror movie. We ask a lot of questions that we ask during horror movies like… why did they spilt up? Why did this action make sense to them rather than this action. It’s eerie to me how that happens.
@Davidiscrazy
3 ай бұрын
I think that’s why people like to believe there is an almost supernatural feel to it. Cause it reminds us of our own horror stories. The only difference being that we can see the monster in our horror stories but in real life we cannot
@alphooey
3 ай бұрын
Looks like you’ve been eaten alive by mosquitoes.
@corporalsoletrain2132
3 ай бұрын
Dude... one of your fellow hikers drops his pack he's done. Priority is now get to shelter. He's in distress, the fun portion of the hike is over. Basic hiker safety
@KayBacci
2 ай бұрын
Are you saying people do this for fun? Seriously?!
@comradeurod9805
2 ай бұрын
@KayBacci we're a weird species
@coyote4936
2 ай бұрын
I had “friends” leave me behind on the ozark highland trail in Arkansas when my hips messed up while hiking. I hiked back until right before dark, and heard lots of gun fire in close to where I was hiking.
@designersheets
2 ай бұрын
@@coyote4936 Some "friends," yeesh. Glad you made it out of that.
@surr3ald3sign
22 күн бұрын
@@coyote4936i hope you are now down a few friends and hopefully made some better ones
@honeycrispsnail4032
3 ай бұрын
man, i don’t care if my friend is whining, complaining, stomping his feet, punching trees, or shaking me by the collar. i would never leave him behind. i’d rather deal with an annoying friend than a frozen one.
@raptureangel5409
2 ай бұрын
EXACTLY!!!
@mime514
2 ай бұрын
I get that, but trying to carry an adult male who doesn’t cooperate in freezing conditions is hard, especially if you yourself suffer from exhaustion and exposure to the elements. Trying to carry someone decreases your chances of survival, and because they are unable to fend for themselves you are their only hope. It’s a horrible situation to be in, and leaving was a hard decision to make, but I see why he chose that
@The_moon_is_pretty
2 ай бұрын
@@mime514yeah but in the beginning he wasn't frozen he was just tired you wouldn't have had to carry him maybe just help him walk or better yet, sit down with him and keep encouraging him. Just anything but leaving him alone.
@ryanwielewski5192
2 ай бұрын
Easy to say when you're comfortable at home, under stress and cold, people will make mistakes.
@thecatreturns22
21 күн бұрын
@@mime514 Idk maybe he could've decided to set up camp then and there like he did later on anyways instead of leaving him behind.
@CrypidLore
3 ай бұрын
Pro-tip with Magic Spoon, if you want a cheaper alternative just buy edible packing peanuts and some cocoa powder and you'll have the full experience of the chocolate one.
@subrosa4792
3 ай бұрын
Isn’t it like $15 a box at the grocery store? I guess Granolas will pay anything for natural food?
@twister356
3 ай бұрын
True
@jannettb7930
3 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly lol they're about 10 bucks a box at my local grocery store, but I had a 30% of coupon so I got the chocolate kind. Either the chocolate is an anomaly and the other flavors are awesome, or all these KZitemrs sponsored by magic spoon are liars.
@twister356
3 ай бұрын
@@jannettb7930 I got 4 boxes of the cereal to try it cause “HeAlThY” and they were all bad
@jannettb7930
3 ай бұрын
@subrosa4792 what makes you think magic spoon is 'natural food'? I assure you, there is nothing natural about it.
@Red0543
3 ай бұрын
If my friend suddenly just drops his pack because he can’t carry it anymore I would’ve definitely turned back right then and there. To continue on without equipment or supplies in those conditions is a death sentence! Hell, even if I had to carry both him *and* his pack I would’ve done so because friends don’t leave friends behind!
@dangerxbadger2300
3 ай бұрын
Even if you have to do something like fashion yourself a little sled out of dead branches and grass or something or twine or whatever to pull it behind you so the weight is more evenly distributed and you can use your whole body weight to pull instead of the pack's weight being on your back and shoulders, you figure something out. You don't just leave gear and people behind, ever. Ever ever.
@ingridn0g
3 ай бұрын
Agreed! Also, they totally could have set camp together right then and there! Comfortably? Hell no, but at least none of them would be alone, they would be on trail, they'd have shelter, and also could share some body heat (besides the equipment) to keep both alive through the night. You don't just LEAVE your friend behind at night, in a forest, in the snow, knowing he is exhausted and cold and has no equipment on him!!!
@alphooey
3 ай бұрын
@@ingridn0gyeah when he first started fretting about his pack I’d have said to him “let’s head back”. If he wasn’t up to heading back then set up “camp” and head back in morning after a rest. Then again I wouldn’t have let the first guy go back by himself. Everyone sticks together. You all head back and then make plans for what to do next. Doesn’t sound like any of them had a clue.
@valkeriejones3818
3 ай бұрын
"I can't carry it for you.... but I can carry YOU!"
@DjDeja
3 ай бұрын
You guys have to keep in mind this was a completely different time. This was 1975. Think about the mindset of men back then, likely male bravado and if one dude assured the other they would be fine, the other guy wouldn't push the issue.
@averageguysgadgetguy
3 ай бұрын
What kind of a friend leaves his buddy to camp alone in the snow? That sounds so sketchy imo
@tannermcguire7713
3 ай бұрын
Bring them along or stay with them regardless, we've seen this shit happen for centuries
@CaptainTrips560
3 ай бұрын
I feel like you could make a case that that’s attempted murder, or at the very least, negligent homicide
@nickdarr7328
3 ай бұрын
@@CaptainTrips560absolutely not. No one forced him to go hiking. One friend already turned around. Obviously the guy wasn't fit enough. And the friend carried his pack as far as he could. I'm sure both guys thought they were very close to the shelter and just needed to press on. So when the guy stopped the friend wanted to get warm and kept going thinking the shelter was near which of course it was. If he found the shelter he would have got warm, put his stuff down and went to convince the friend to keep going. The friend was just stupid and probably spoiled and used to be babied since he actually had a friend carry his backpack. He was expecting super human effort from his friend and doing nothing himself.
@monroe7532
3 ай бұрын
@@CaptainTrips560how?
@CaptainTrips560
3 ай бұрын
@@nickdarr7328 keep that energy up next time you stub your toe in the woods, lazy fig
@reecewestmoreland6137
3 ай бұрын
I think the only remotely paranormal aspect of this is the lack of common sense on display of dumping your pack under those conditions.
@mattjack3983
3 ай бұрын
Yeah that was incredibly dumb
@Sollinare
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's like they did everything wrong.
@Orchidbeetle
3 ай бұрын
@@Sollinaredumps his pack, sits down and gives up in the woods, his friend splits up from him. Yeah definitely sounds like the script to horror plot
@Yerpompous
3 ай бұрын
You assume he dumped for no good reason? Omg
@reecewestmoreland6137
3 ай бұрын
@@Yerpompous well there's not good reason in those conditions as it was literally his only chance to survive. Miles for civilisation out in the dark and cold. Dropping it was nearly signing his death warrant
@KeithPrince-cp3me
3 ай бұрын
I think they had a serious falling out with Hanson repeatedly complaining then finally stubbornly refusing to go on.
@alphooey
3 ай бұрын
If the description of his behaviour is true he sounds like a pain in the bum. Doesn’t sound like any of them were in a fit enough state to have done the hike even in good conditions.
@TimothyCollins
3 ай бұрын
I hate to say it but obviously the first person to look at when another person disappears like this is… the only other person near them. We have to ask if perhaps there was foul play here. There were only two people there, it was a full night to do something and so the obvious opportunity exists. So we have to ask if perhaps the other person had a motive.
@pfifltrigg
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I can understand the frustration, but he knew how dangerous it was to first leave the pack and keep hiking instead of just setting up camp there, and then leaving his friend alone with zero supplies in the cold. I guess it's not technically foul play or negligent homicide but he knew leaving him alone could lead to his death and did it anyway.
@monkmoto1887
3 ай бұрын
@@pfifltriggdead men tell no stories. That pack could just as easily have been left there by the person who supposedly found it seeing as the person who allegedly saw him leave it is the same person
@drsteiner12
3 ай бұрын
Oh boy, do I know those type of people. I had many instances where I was debating leaving them behind to stop hearing their constant complaining, they don’t seem to realize they aren’t the only one tired from the travel. But I know doing so is death sentence for my companions so I just suck it up and remember never to travel with them again in the future.
@GenXGamerGirl
3 ай бұрын
Rule #1. Don't split the party.
@gimmeurkidney
3 ай бұрын
i wonder how many horror movies need to come out for people to realize this lol
@Adshercott
3 ай бұрын
But how else do they look for clues?
@TigerLily61811
3 ай бұрын
The Al Green Rule.
@kaylahevans8334
3 ай бұрын
I have this quote on a magnet 😂
@OriginalStachuJones
3 ай бұрын
BUT FRED DID IT ALL THE TIME
@fuzzydunlop7928
3 ай бұрын
Just ONCE I wish that when it's time for the "searchers were under no illusions, this was now a recovery mission" part, the person would just walk out of the tree line like, "what's up guys? I found this cache, I'm actually totally fine." Why can't we just have something like that?
@DestinyKiller
3 ай бұрын
There probably are stories like that. But what's to talk about if they made it out ok?
@notahumanbeing6892
2 ай бұрын
@@DestinyKillera lot more? considering they continue living? and so the story continues? as interesting as a mysterious death can be, a survival tale is never boring and they are much more hope inducing, which is desperately needed in a time where people act so openly vile to one another constantly
@DestinyKiller
2 ай бұрын
@@notahumanbeing6892 well yeah, you can give the tale of the survival. I more meant there's not a whole lot of story once they've gone back to living their lives. I'm sure there are plenty of good survival stories on KZitem somewhere
@JeremyMarcum1
2 ай бұрын
@notahumanbeing6892 eh. If it bleeds it leads. Conversely if it doesn't... it doesn't. I appreciate your approach, but if you want heart warming material it's going to be harder to find defacto because humans kinda suck.
@SuperNoticer
2 ай бұрын
Because this is real life, not a movie
@MadamFizzgig
3 ай бұрын
I grew up in Maine. Lotta snow here. The worst move you can pull in a snowball fight is the “white wash”. You get picked up by your legs and thrown face first into a snowbank. Then everyone stuffs your clothes with snow. That’s the only thing I could think of in a snowball fight that could make someone so pissed. 🤷🏻♀️
@sea_triscuit7980
3 ай бұрын
That's not even a snowball fight, that's like Chinese water torture haha
@scottiesrockmaggie6279
3 ай бұрын
I grew up in Missouri and another thing that could cause animosity is a rock either inadvertantly or purposely has a rock in it. It wouldn't have to be a big rock to hurt like fire.
@aria6136
3 ай бұрын
I was thinking pee, or rocks, or ice in the snowball
@MadamFizzgig
3 ай бұрын
@@sea_triscuit7980 I once was woken from a dead sleep by being thrown into a snowbank in just my underwear. I still get flashbacks 😅
@pablojansen2080
3 ай бұрын
@@sea_triscuit7980American frozen water torture
@Fuhrious
3 ай бұрын
“Why was he screaming?” Has to be one of the single most ominous sentences ever heard or written.
@williamwinstrop3918
3 ай бұрын
Drama queen….
@jahnj2523
3 ай бұрын
There's plenty of things out in the forest that you never want to see. They even make bigfoot seem safe.
@Fuhrious
3 ай бұрын
@@williamwinstrop3918 William, imagine you’re out camping with friends. One goes out in the dark to take a pee. you and your friends are sitting around the campfire and all of a sudden you hear your friend screaming, going further and further away. Being the realist you obviously are, You say "he might’ve hit his leg, stepped on a thorn or something" knowing it didn't sound like that. His screams were life and death. In the pit of your stomach, you know you're lying to yourself. but then your friend calls you on it and asks “maybe, but why was he screaming?". Why is he STILL screaming? Even you, sir, with your nerves of steel, and your lack of empathy would feel afraid at that time. An ominous sense of foreboding.
@MrBrachiatingApe
3 ай бұрын
@@Fuhrious He'd be pissing his pants. Internet tough guy usually means real-life chicken.
@Fuhrious
3 ай бұрын
@@MrBrachiatingApe bingo
@brn2579
3 ай бұрын
Here's three options for a snowball fight going too far, 1. Yellow snowballs, 2. Rolling rocks up in snow and throwing them, 3. Throwing chunks of ice.
@tannermcguire7713
3 ай бұрын
Well the snowman in monsters Inc. Did warn of the yellow snowcones
@scallopohare9431
3 ай бұрын
We have bobcats. We get an extra color - red snow.
@DryptosaurusDavid
3 ай бұрын
I’ve been hit in the face with a piece of ice before and it hurt. Fuck the friend who did it. He’s an ass clown now.
@brunoactis1104
3 ай бұрын
4. Wrapping snow around a grenade and throwing it maybe
@CaptainTrips560
3 ай бұрын
As another commenter said, there’s a thing called “white washing” where you throw someone in a snowbank, so the snow gets inside their clothes. In normal conditions, that’s douchey & something that will piss people off. Out in the woods, it could be deadly
@Puffalupagus360
3 ай бұрын
Magic spoon's entire script read is a list of reasons I should not eat their cereal.
@atomabl1424
3 ай бұрын
Dude let me tell you from experience magic spoon is magically ass
@leigha2814
3 ай бұрын
The fact that they talk about the macros and the -frees and "grown up ingredients" but don't mention what food it is actually made with is a warning sign yeah. I haven't tried it but I've never heard a good thing about it.
@derekmcmanus8615
3 ай бұрын
As a 52 year old from Northern Ireland Magic Spoon cereal sounds absolutely vile
@bigfatcarp93
3 ай бұрын
@@derekmcmanus8615 Why the hell would your age and country of origin be relevant?
@derekmcmanus8615
3 ай бұрын
@@bigfatcarp93 I suspect that many folks in the United States of a certain age would be culturally attuned to certain types of highly sugared breakfast cereals prehaps with the addition of such things as corn syrup and indeed other highly processed foods 🤔 my immediate reaction to the description of 'Magic Spoon ceral' was no way would I put it in my mouth it sounds extremely unhealthy and the flavours offered would not appeaI to my palette
@BX138
3 ай бұрын
It doesn't always need to be paradoxical undressing. I hunt Elk, and this happens a lot. When you start out hiking in the cold, you bundle up, hat, coat, gloves, etc. But as you get hiking a while, your body temperature goes up and you get hot. To cool off, you unzip your coat and take off your gloves and hat. People in the Dyatlov pass incident didn't have "paradoxical undressing" because they weren't hiking.
@ralcogaming7674
2 ай бұрын
That's why nearly every survival expert says you always want to be a little cold. It doesn't take long for any physical exertion to start raising your body temperature. Even splitting wood in below freezing temps you'll start take layers off after about 20-30 minutes.
@bloodyneptune
18 күн бұрын
@Milkman4279 You dont need to be hiking to end up paradoxically undressing, you just need to have hypothermia. Its not about getting too sweaty and hot and taking yoyr jacket off, its your dying, freezing brain making you think you're burning up.
@AbraSings
3 ай бұрын
Leaving a friend behind is bizarre to me.
@DjDeja
3 ай бұрын
It was a different time for guys where the social expectation was for men to never show vulnerability. The guys probably assured each other they would be fine and didn't challenge it because it wasn't the norm back then. That doesn't make it right but it was just a totally different time back in 1975.
@MKUltra42
3 ай бұрын
He probably killed him and threw him down a hole. That’s my theory for 80% of missing 411 cases.
@nickdarr7328
3 ай бұрын
Well the friend comes off as a spoiled brat. Who would expect someone to carry your pack? And when the friend thinks the shelter is close you just give up. He wanted super human effort from the friend and did nothing to help himself. The shitty friend is the one who died. If fish found the shelter he would have warmed up and gone back to convince the friend to stop being a baby. The guy obviously shouldn't have been on the trail and wasn't mentally or physically prepared for it
@LudwigVaanArthans
2 ай бұрын
@@DjDejashut the eff up, and never be this stupid in public again
@gowanlore2434
Ай бұрын
@@nickdarr7328warped-moral-compass award
@Lusa_Iceheart
3 ай бұрын
Fish might not have wanted to do Hanson any harm, but he certainly was a shitty friend. If you're the one with the supply and your friend doesn't have anything (cause he left the pack behind), leaving him behind in the snow like that is stupidly irresponsible. He should have bed down right there with Hanson and tried to make it to the shelter in the morning. Leaving him behind with no equipment is insane. They would've been warmer staying together and it'd only have improved Fish's conditions that night. If it was the next morning and Hanson still couldn't go on, ok then yeah head for the shelter and look for help, but leave the gear there for him! A you can get to the shelter faster without the gear and B if he's still immobile he needs the equipment more than you. You don't need the sleeping bag if your heading off to the shelter to get help, and you probably don't need the stuff to make a fire, or a tent. Waiting till morning WITH Hanson probably would have saved his life. All around very shitty decisions from Fish, probably added to his trauma knowing that he *left his friend behind*. At the very least, Fish fucked up and his mistakes got his friend killed. I certainly wouldn't want to go hiking with Fish.
@NanaBren
3 ай бұрын
The dropped gear is bothering the hell outta me. I’m not a hiker, but it seems like that would be a good sign that the guy is not okay. Fish should not have let him continue on after the pack was dropped. I agree, they should have stayed together for warmth. Even if he was pissed because he thought Hanson was a wimp, abandoning him was wrong. The screaming was probably Hanson trying to get Fish to come back. Sad.
@alisondickinson
Ай бұрын
You realize the shelters in the Smokies are just three sided sheds. There is no warmth, no accommodations and often no one else, especially in the winter. Getting to a shelter just means you have gotten to bare minimum coverage.
@survivaloptions4999
3 ай бұрын
1. Just because it's spring where you are doesn't mean it's spring on the trail. 2. You can die of exposure at 70* F 3. If you are lost, sit your ass down and don't move unless you absolutely have to.
@thatsickkidjaz1749
3 ай бұрын
And I dont think people take into account how cold it actually gets in the mountains. Even in summer it is like 10° cooler on the summit
@scarling9367
3 ай бұрын
You can die of hypothermia in fairly warm water as well. People underestimate it.
@jackie165
3 ай бұрын
@@thatsickkidjaz1749Yeah I just went to the Smokies a few weeks ago and while it was 85° in Knoxville, it was 65° in the mountains.
@matthiasthulman4058
3 ай бұрын
@scarling9367 that's why I never understood those people that wear shorts or just a t-shirt in the winter.
@CaptainTrips560
3 ай бұрын
I’m a very experienced hiker who nearly died of hypothermia in the middle of July last year because of a momentary lapse of judgment that wound up nearly having major consequences
@cinnamongirl5410
3 ай бұрын
Only mystery here is how could friends leave another friend, who is already struggling alone on a trail without his pack, in the snow.
@hildahilpert5018
3 ай бұрын
That,s true.But why would you go hiking in the Middle of winter??That ,s crazy.
@DaddiDrako
3 ай бұрын
Self preservation why would you abandon your gear and then stop before getting to safety, you can’t expect someone else to risk their life because of your dumb decisions
@codysmith3853
2 ай бұрын
@@DaddiDrako Dude they were friends, are you saying that you would abandon your friend?
@SuperNoticer
2 ай бұрын
He may have been struggling himself and not thinking clearly
@AJadedLizard
Ай бұрын
@@codysmith3853 How could of a friend are you if you refuse to carry your own gear and then sit down and pout like a toddler when things get too hard? He sounds a bit insufferable.
@AverageAlien
3 ай бұрын
Before the accusations begin, no, it wasn't us...
@jamesknapp64
3 ай бұрын
But are you sure?
@al1383
3 ай бұрын
That's what all the aliens say
@trustworthydan
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like what someone that's guilty would say...
@horrorhotel1999
3 ай бұрын
What about above avarage aliens? any comments you can make? we were umable to reach your peers for their take?
@SockieTheSockPuppet
3 ай бұрын
I mean, from what people say you guys aren't the only ones out there. But Grays are generally seen as more cruel.
@BelovedDevil
3 ай бұрын
I didn't know how I was going to survive the nightmare shift in the factory of horrors until I saw this was going up now I think if I hide in the screaming closet and watch this I may be okay
@NanaBren
3 ай бұрын
It’s so crowded in the screaming closet! Will they let you in? 😮
@GregorTriggs
2 ай бұрын
The screaming closet 😂😂
@kohinarec6580
2 ай бұрын
Never leave your gear. Never leave your buddy.
@iluvstripe
3 ай бұрын
i'm really glad you read mark's tribute from the newspaper, it was very touching. you guys always go above and beyond with research and it really shows how much you care about what you do, and the people involved.
@brookiecookie6586
2 ай бұрын
I know it made me tear up
@iluvstripe
Ай бұрын
@@brookiecookie6586 just seeing this, but same
@williamthompson5504
3 ай бұрын
Ive been in the Great Smokey Mtns several times. After my first visit, I never went back without my lever action 16 gauge and my Colt 1911.
@AirsoftJunkie
3 ай бұрын
Two world wars, Sonny!
@fruitfarmfords8243
3 ай бұрын
@AirsoftJunkie Its more useful than airsoft at least.. I prefer a glock 21 myself though, don't like to feel limited. Lol
@patrickferryman6579
3 ай бұрын
As someone who hasn't hiked that area, tell me, what did you see that convinced you to never go back without either of those? Also a lever action 16 gauge is badass. Was the 1911 in .45 or 10mm?
@williamthompson5504
3 ай бұрын
@@patrickferryman6579The 1911 is a .45. Bears, Mtn Lions and the constant feeling my best friend and I had of being followed and watched. We were 100% sober on that first trip. The 16 gauge was my great grandfather's. He used it to hunt quail. My dad restored it and my brother HATES firearms. He wouldn't appreciate it like my father and I do. You should definitely hike some of the Smokey Mtns, it's beautiful. Just take protection from predators, pot farmers and moonshine bootleggers .
@patrickferryman6579
3 ай бұрын
@@williamthompson5504 and feral humans. I've seen the descent, lol. But no in all honesty if I did i would carry my FN510, idk about a long gun though as I'm from out of state down in Texas.
@johnhickman8391
3 ай бұрын
The ONLY question i have is, how do you leave your friend behind like that. You never ever do that, especially in a survival situation.
@thedecentgamer7818
3 ай бұрын
Only a couple minutes in right now, and it's already weird. You hear your friend screaming for help, and you don't try to figure out what's happening? Weird
@thatsickkidjaz1749
3 ай бұрын
Well, he was miles away, it was night, and it was the 70s/80s, so I doubt there was a phone in the shelter he was in.
@chrimony
3 ай бұрын
Not weird. At night, in a snowstorm, after you already settled down from exhaustion and had already left your friend to go get help. What was he realistically going to do? If somebody was attacking his friend, what was he going to do about it? If he's lost screaming for help, how can he help him anymore than when he left him in the first place? In hindsight, they should have turned back earlier. Or he should have stayed with his friend until morning. But that's all with the benefit of hindsight.
@thedecentgamer7818
3 ай бұрын
@@chrimony if his friend was lost, then calling back to him would at least be a place to start to try and give his friend some kind of direction. Playing Marco Polo isn't exactly high-end survival strategy, but it's better than hearing your friend scream for help and rolling over and going to sleep. And if his friend was being attacked, calling put to him would possibly be able to get *some* information that way you'd at least know that foul play was involved if your friend turns up missing
@thedecentgamer7818
3 ай бұрын
@@thatsickkidjaz1749 what I said in the other reply. If you can hear someone, they can hear you, so you don't need a phone to be able to help, even if it'd make it more convenient
@trikepilot101
3 ай бұрын
He wasn't sure if he heard his friend or he dreamed it. It wasn't on-going.
@montehurd
3 ай бұрын
For pronunciation of local areas you can maybe call local businesses that might have knowledge - camping/hiking stores etc
@thatsickkidjaz1749
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, just look up state rest stops in that area and ask them.
@CaptainTrips560
3 ай бұрын
The part about hypothermia making you take off your clothes because you think you’re too warm is 100% true. I nearly died of hypothermia once & that’s how I realized that I was in serious danger. I was like “it is WAY too cold out for me to be feeling this warm, I’m FUCKED if I don’t get inside soon”
@MarkMark-xz4ff
3 ай бұрын
Story starts at 5:50
@LostInTranslation-kl2of
3 ай бұрын
Bro said nah I think it would be safer if I make it to the shelter. Doesn’t even make it, sets up camp anyway. That is the worst friend
@Best_Username777
3 ай бұрын
“Never have I seen a Bigfoot case where someone is kidnapped and brought of trail and left in a spot to freeze to death” but I have, Mt Shasta California, a girl was kidnapped while her family was looking, she was taken some couple miles away until eventually she just showed back up in the exact spot she vanished where upon she said “Mr bear took care of me” Most likely entirely unrelated but I just thought it was interesting
@dangerxbadger2300
3 ай бұрын
They actually have done a video on this story I believe. And if I remember correctly, that was in the middle of summer not in the dead of winter so his assertion still holds
@Best_Username777
3 ай бұрын
@@dangerxbadger2300 I think they did a video about the other more well known Mt Shasta story being the “robot grandma” story but I’m not sure if they ever covered this one
@jamesknapp64
3 ай бұрын
@@Best_Username777the Missing Enigma did a deep dive on Robot Grandma last summer
@MoGumboFukUTubeForChngngMyName
3 ай бұрын
If it has ever happened, how could you have known if there was a Bigfoot case where someone was kidnapped and brought off trail and left in a spot to freeze to death?? hmmm??
@charlesdial7152
2 ай бұрын
It was definitely smthg that had her with them and took care of her..strange 😬
@anasazirose
3 ай бұрын
We used Magic Spoon but stopped for 2 reasons. 1, toothbreakers in 2 boxes, emailed the company, no response and 2, noticed the 'made with bioengineered ingredients' note.
@MrContemplation
3 ай бұрын
As someone who has done the trial, I ran into a few situations that made me worry about safety. I know this was a while ago but I can’t imagine it’s much different. You run into good and bad people. Something about being out in nature brings out a primal sense for other’s character. A few times I hiked through the night to reach a town to basically hide for a few days.
@diggs5518
3 ай бұрын
None of the story makes much sense. A friend's complaining about having a hard time and, you push to go on? Someone just drops their back-pack with ALL of their survival supplies? You abandon a friend in the middle of the mountains then, camp out for the night, maybe claim you hear him screaming and, don't go looking before you leave the area? And, the police were never involved? The whole story sounds like complete, B.S. Not buying it.
@HiFiAwardTour
3 ай бұрын
My guess is alcohol was involved. Heavy drinking. Doing something so blatantly stupid as dropping your pack makes more sense. So does being too exhausted to move. So does getting lost. Instead of dropping the pack just stop and set up camp. There is no other option.
@Llerrah508
3 ай бұрын
Ok so this guy leaves his pack bc he didn't want to carry it. Thus leaving himself without supplies and sleeping bag, tent etc.? Then dies... Surprise!
@stephenpmurphy591
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, it was paranormal forest ghost took him.. Nah, it was a winter Bigfoot! Their fur turns white during winter! So you can't see them because of all the snow. A winter big foot got him.
@Llerrah508
3 ай бұрын
@@stephenpmurphy591 or a summer skin walker portal
@aowen7777
3 ай бұрын
Right? My thought was like, the guy drops the pack and then decides to stop walking so he has no supplies whatsoever for sleeping and his friend decides to keep walking without him as night approaches? Getting help or not his friend shouldn't have left him unless he was actually dying and needed medical attention not just feeling tired
@Llerrah508
3 ай бұрын
@@aowen7777 He must've left something out of the story right. Or...
@stevenr5534
2 ай бұрын
After reading the first bunch of comments here it would be easy to imagine that the victim was screaming, not because he was being murdered by a crazed serial killer or being devoured by a ravenous animal, but because he realized that several boxes of the cereal in question were the only food he had in his pack.
@zigzy_9011
3 ай бұрын
This is so off topic but I love the sound for the intro so much it's like my brain locks in the second I hear it lol
@ZombieSnax42069
3 ай бұрын
The drinking problem joke was always my favorite. Never understood why everyone quotes the don't call me Shirley one. Your officially the only other person I've ever heard reference it.
@Bevaboo
3 ай бұрын
Those of us who have a drinking problem like that one reference it all the time.
@MrMemelord00
3 ай бұрын
A paper bowl? FOR CEREAL?! BLASPHEMY
@tommykelso3592
2 ай бұрын
the bit with Aiden in the window sill legit was so good it had me going back to see how long he'd been there lmao
@trikepilot101
3 ай бұрын
50 F is 10 C. Very roughly, subtract 30 and divide by 2. Actually subtract 32 and divide by 1.8. If I was there I would have made camp as soon as I couldn't carry my buddy's pack any further. We would both rest in our sleeping bags and in our tent. Next day we could go on.
@elis4085
3 ай бұрын
That’s the thing I don’t understand with a lot of these stories. WHY DO THEY LEAVE THEIR FRIENDS BEHIND???
@phillipbirchwell9399
3 ай бұрын
I found this channel on accident last November and it's one of my favorite channels on KZitem , keep up the good work lore lodge
@beliasphyre3497
3 ай бұрын
"The kid in me likes the frosted side. The adult in me likes the kid in me."
@stephenpmurphy591
3 ай бұрын
Uh oh, that makes me uncomfortable..
@beliasphyre3497
3 ай бұрын
"hee hee"
@williammatthews693
3 ай бұрын
I don't want to think about Cosby Knob.
@FrozeMoments
3 ай бұрын
I’m a neighbor to the Smokies in Cherokee National Forest. I plan on going out like this one day. I’ve watched everyone I love waste away or die young. I tell my wife of 20 years to take me on a hike and lose me.
@trustworthydan
3 ай бұрын
I live in Kentucky, my parents used to take us down to Cherokee like every weekend. I miss those days.
@lowwastehighmelanin
3 ай бұрын
Why would you put that on her dude? Not cool.
@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind
3 ай бұрын
It's one thing to take a walk and never come back, but an entirely different thing to tell your wife that you want her to take you. That is dumb
@calci2679
3 ай бұрын
I hope you find some healing. Please don’t ever do this.
@kingiam9271
3 ай бұрын
Get lost bro
@gravypatron
3 ай бұрын
KZitem must be loving you guys, because no matter how many times I refresh my screen, this video is always at the top
@JAEUFM
3 ай бұрын
These sort of events really make you wish someone could come up with a time machine to look back and see what exactly happened.
@maxhall5260
3 ай бұрын
As a Celsius guy, hoodie/light jacket wheather is a actually a decent alternative if u dont have the actual tempature conversions on hand. Very easy to understand.
@Kerryjotx
2 ай бұрын
When people get exhausted and desperate, they can argue and go into survival mode, not caring about the others in their group. I could easily see a scenario where one member is exhausted and doesn’t want to go on and the other one is desperate to get to the shelter and some kind of an argument like, “Fine!!! I don’t care!! You do what you want to do. I’m going to the shelter.” maybe Mr. Fish just did not want to report that they had argued and he basically “stormed off “.
@CleoHarperReturns
3 ай бұрын
The question that's been bothering me: If you've already gone 7 miles and knew that salvation was less than a mile further, why would you make the decision to stop and die just because your feet hurt? It makes absolutely no sense.
@Nitehawke
3 ай бұрын
I know scouting has changed a lot over the years. Being female, I was never a Boy Scout but my older brother was. This would have been in the '70's because when he was 10 (1973), he saved our younger brother's life (age 2 at the time) with CPR after he nearly drown (yes, clinically dead) in the backyard pool. Brent had learned CPR just the weekend before in Scouts. About 8 years ago, a friend of mine mentioned that his son had just learned CPR in Boy Scouts, at age 16. I told him the story above and he was most surprised that they taught them CPR at such a young age back then. So, maybe the reason they insist on the buddy system now is because of things like scouts going missing or other such tragedies that happened in years past. Or it may have been a troop by troop thing rather than all encompassing at that time. Just a thought. Interesting episode, as always!
@TheUglyBiker42069
3 ай бұрын
I've been in scouts all across the country, FL, AK, TN. All of the troops I've been in and all the ones I interacted with used the buddy system, and it was a law, not a suggestion. This was between 2009 and 2016.
@Nitehawke
3 ай бұрын
@@TheUglyBiker42069 my text to him: "Question: back when you were in Boy Scouts, did they require Scouts to use the "buddy system" on outings?" His response: "Only for swimming." Followup question: "So if you were camping and walking from campsite to cars, not necessarily would be required along the trail?" Rrsponse: "Camp Hinds was a compound. There were no cars. That's where most of the outings were. Any remote outings we always moved as a troop. Everyone together." 2nd followup: "So it would be extremely odd for a scout master to leave a scout behind to finish packing up (his son) and to leave another along the trail because he was tired (this one went missing and ended up dead, Pennsylvania, circa '70's). Response: "The point of the outings were to learn and practice working as a unit. We would never leave one behind, for any reason." So I guess that is as close to confirmation as we're likely to get, although it doesn't sound like the buddy system was a requirement per se, so maybe that's why it wasn't questioned deeply at the time.
@Nitehawke
3 ай бұрын
One final statement from my brother: "If one of the scouts was having trouble getting packed up, we would all pitch in and help get him packed up. If one were injured on the hike, we would assist in whatever way we needed to get him out, with the rest of the troop. Really, the main point in scouts was always teamwork." So it does sound like Aidan's point is very valid and we should all be wondering why it wasn't more closely scrutinized.
@jamesknapp64
3 ай бұрын
The Boy Scouts have REQUIRED the buddy system since at least my dad was in it in the late 60s. Its not a recommendation. It's hammered home as one of the tenets of safety
@Nitehawke
3 ай бұрын
@@jamesknapp64 as the conversation with my brother, which I cut/pasted into comments here, confirms. Thanks for additional confirmation all the same.
@DaddiDrako
3 ай бұрын
This is a pretty straight forward answer he left his pack and then decided to refuse to go on and sleep with no gear in the mountains while in the middle of a snowstorm. I think the screaming was either his friends dreams or he was yelling hoping his friend would come back from him because he realized how stupid it was to stop in the middle of nowhere with no gear
@ChaseFausett
3 ай бұрын
Yes the lore lads join the hunt for the elves that make magic spoon
@shay494
16 күн бұрын
I never realized how many plane's had crashed in the mountains. I'm shocked the missing 411 didn't try to claim those as well.
@jamesmryncza2957
3 ай бұрын
Incredible!! Another fantastic video!!👍You just pulled all the names of dyatlov pass right out of the thin air!! You're crazy sharp, you're the Mad Dog!! These deep dives are amazing, all the work you all do is marvelous!! ✊ Thank you for all your hard work.👍
@kohinarec6580
2 ай бұрын
They were novice hikers, clearly not prepared for the trip. It is not mysterious, but the friend's decision to leave him behind is baffling.
@kintustis
3 ай бұрын
If these were everyday situations, 100% healthy relationships, rational behavior, and perfect physical execution, then there wouldn't be a dead guy in the woods. Sometimes you get in a cussing match after several hours of painful marching and a ruined vacation. Sometimes you don't always follow the buddy system if you and your buddy are one word away from a fight. Sometimes following the obvious-in-hindsight wilderness safety guidelines is not the first thing on our minds. Sometimes what you tell the officer is not necessarily lying, but perhaps omitting some details about the interpersonal conflict that make you look bad. And as such, what witnesses tell law enforcement can't always be treated like 100% universal truth. It's so easy to sit behind a screen and type that you'd always make the right decision, that pride would never factor into your sense of outdoor safety. Maybe you are perfect, but most of us are just human.
@kaypyles9441
3 ай бұрын
I just feel like Ben Fish got frustrated, afterall, Hanson said he couldn't carry his backpack any longer & was exhausted. Fish even carried his backpack some distance for him. I think Fish was probably thinking to himself, "What the heck; I'm going on!" When he realized the situation the following day, he was probably devastated, also realized his mistake in leaving him?
@texasson
3 ай бұрын
I was out hiking in the Smoky Mountain National Park(in some of these areas) when this dropped. 😶Nothing paranormal happened while I was out there... But had some surprise encounters with black bears, and had a helo land about 50 yds away from me to medivac a hiker from a different group. Edit: After the full video, I agree it is most likely an accident. The 'surprise bear encounters' we had could have easily caused an accident. Such as one of our encounters, we were surprised by a bear about 5 yards(at most) off the trail we were on. This particular trail was maybe 3 ft wide, and one side was about 150 ft drop into a stream, while the side the bear was on, was a steep incline. The bear did give us a good fright with a false charge, and if anyone happened to get overly jumpy, could have easily slipped down the drop. Maybe this is why he was so far off the trail he was last seen. Anyway, the Smokies are beautiful and I encourage folks to go visit and hike.
@remylebeau7258
3 ай бұрын
Dude he had the worst friend as a partner
@rrRowboat7
3 ай бұрын
As far as why teenage boys could get told off for engaging in a snowball fight, I can think of two reasons. 1: they were fooling around in the snow when they were supposed to be doing something else (or expected somewhere else). 2: teenage boys can turn snowball fights into ice chunk fights real quick. But you are right to say that it would have been more rational for Mr. Smith to just wait an extra ten minutes. That said, we might consider that Mr. Smith might not have been in a rational mood just then. At the time, other things besides rationality may interested him more. For example, Mr. Smith might have been a chronic rusher. Some of the nicest people I know get very agitated when they feel they’re going to be late for something. If tensions were a strained for any reason, and if Mr. Smith was a rusher, I could see him leaving his son to himself while the rest got fresh air and a head start.
@matthewrowles6881
3 ай бұрын
I'd really like to see you guys do a dive into the Peggy Ann Bradnick case from the 60's. The Tuscarora Mountain where Hollenbaugh took her and hid out and the whole affair happened pretty close to where I live. At the time the manhunt after her kidnapping was the largest in the US and the whole story is fascinating. Yeah everyone knows Hollenbaugh was blown away in the end but it's still an amazing story
@CJGatsby
3 ай бұрын
thanks for the bit from his funeral. that was very meaningful.
@rukysgream
3 ай бұрын
Why was he screaming? Because he was freezing to death after his asshole friend left him behind. This one seems pretty straight forward.
@Joshua-zb2zp
Ай бұрын
You know what I find suspicious is that most missing 411 stories is that when the people are going to disappear or already being looked for after going missing is that there is always a storm that will cover any trace
@bungalowfeuhler1541
3 ай бұрын
When you’re running out of energy, don’t abandon your gear and keep going.
@Ziegler-di7xz
3 ай бұрын
“I likes and I wants ya. Now we can either do this the hard way or the easy way.”
@tannermcguire7713
3 ай бұрын
Shoutout to one of the baddest mfs of all time! He looks good now though thankfully, even got hims a wife.
@andywarda1481
3 ай бұрын
You can't have my booty!
@matthiasthulman4058
3 ай бұрын
@@tannermcguire7713who we talking about
@Safexscape
3 ай бұрын
I like when shorts and a video play at the same time. I feel like it sums up KZitem as an experience. Conflicting noise.
@Missmori
3 ай бұрын
I'm really enjoying this new take on the 411 cases. looking at them individually, but also in the context of other strange dissapearences in the same area gives a different perspective then other people usually give that i've seen. its greatly appreciated, informative, and entertaining.
@deerichardz
3 ай бұрын
Zealous Beast is going through the '411' books one by one.
@minecraftfox4384
2 ай бұрын
Fun fact: 411 is a fictional representation of actual disappearances, hence why the writer intentionally leaves out that 99% of the people are found shortly after going missing and because Rangers find them, police aren't notified.
@Missmori
2 ай бұрын
@@minecraftfox4384 I know? Like yes. I know. That doesn't change the fact that these cases are called the missing 411 cases. But like Aiden said in another video, the '411' that's missing is context.
@Blazeyful
3 күн бұрын
Man everyone asks "why did they leave the trail" when my question is always "why did their friends leave them alone in the fricken woods" like. Its common sense to stay together in the wilderness.
@micah420uwu
3 ай бұрын
MAN i love duh lore lodge, I thought you had to choose between quality and quantity. I guess you can have both :))
@dignelberrt
3 ай бұрын
why would i spend more money on a smaller box of cereal when i could just not eat cereal
@marynoonan6111
3 ай бұрын
There are men the world over who STILL think they are a match for the elements. Many many times, they’re WRONG. He also might not have been a very knowledgeable hiker. When you get frightened, you do stupid stuff you run on auto pilot.. The only bright person was the dude who turned back - no doubt he’s still alive!
@l3xther3x86
3 ай бұрын
We love it when people disappear round here it's not terrifying at all
@lulococo9700
3 ай бұрын
There were definitely some ice ball incidents in my Montana hometown back in high school. It was a real issue; I personally knew someone who lost a whole eyeball.
@alexsetterington3142
Ай бұрын
Did they ever find it?
@actuallyAtlas1989
3 ай бұрын
The snowball fight certainly makes Geoff's case more interesting. Especially because of how mad everyone got over it. The only time my parents ever got that pissed over my siblings having a snowball fight was when my brother (younger) gave my sister (older) a black eye bc the snowball he threw had ice in it. Granted, they didn't know about the snowball fights where we would shove snow down eachothers coats. I can't imagine that would be a smart thing to do while camping.
@Stopcommentingthesamecomments
3 ай бұрын
I honestly can't believe magic.Spoon is as Successful as it is when they're selling cereal.For forty bucks 4 boxes crazy
@jeko32
3 ай бұрын
He had hypothermia and was incredibly inexperienced. He panicked and made a stupid decision. There's no mystery here.
@theriverpimp4668
3 ай бұрын
I once broke a kids nose with a snowball.. it led to us fighting after props to Nathan for squaring up with an already broken nose kid had heart
@sierrajade63
2 ай бұрын
Moral of the story, don't go hiking in dangerous weather. It's called common sense.
@redlefevre5448
3 ай бұрын
As always, great content! Would you consider looking into Khayman Welch in the Superstition Mountains of Arizona? That is an interesting one!
@misterb3577
3 ай бұрын
I think we all know what really happened to Hansen. He walked a bit further into the woods, got tired again, and decided to leave his body behind because he didn't want to carry it anymore. (That was awful, I'm sorry)
@TheHikeChoseMe
3 ай бұрын
so another lady went missing and found dead near clingmans not too long ago. she was hiking with her family, they left her behind as she was going too slow. she went missing, they found her about a mile down the mountain from the trail. forgot her name. but it was very recent. like within the past few years.
@JamesSCole-gd2kl
2 ай бұрын
Every time i hear the words "the weather conditions were poor" i know its going to be said 5 times after that. I fear the snow.
@lakesidesusan6745
3 ай бұрын
Yeah!!! I'm a Senior Ranger! Gotta love LoreLodge!
@johnmorganjr769
3 ай бұрын
🐻🏞
@charissimpson235
3 ай бұрын
Me too! Only did that recently though so my name isn’t up yet
@fuzzydunlop7928
3 ай бұрын
It's not like people were naive about splitting up - they were just as cognizant back then as we are today about it. So when Fish's gamble was to reach the next shelter and get help - and it didn't pay off - he hunkered down knowing the kind of jeopardy his friend was now in - so did he hear him screaming for help or did he hear something, an animal maybe, and in his stressed out imagination did he extrapolate from that his friend calling for help? Who can say if it ever even happened.
@bjh7924
3 ай бұрын
Loving the channel as always & the editing is top rate 😄👍
@mishmashmedley
3 ай бұрын
its nice to see thornbury. he's not on camera enough
@TheLoreLodge
3 ай бұрын
You’re genuinely too kind - Thornbury
@mishmashmedley
3 ай бұрын
@@TheLoreLodge have a great weekend, fella.
@jamesknapp64
3 ай бұрын
@@TheLoreLodgethornberry Ive watched this Channel for about 2 years and Ive just now found out Thornberry is your actual name and not a nickname
@punxammo5870
3 ай бұрын
You did great on TimCast!
@Kroggnagch
Ай бұрын
Nah, dude, you've done nothing wrong by reading the article about Hansen's passing and his services. That was beautifully humane and so very thoughtful of you. Absolutely do not take a shred of shame for that, and be proud. Be proud.
@blacklight-RIOT
3 ай бұрын
his buddy never came back it got dark and cold as hell he didnt have any supplies he panicked wandered off trail screaming and died.
@sleepingbee8997
3 ай бұрын
42:07 Well, it makes sense that the cases in which a body isn't found would be harder to pin down. That's a significant clue missing. Without knowing the end of a story, you can write anything for both the middle and end. Once you know the end, you just have to fill in the middle.
@Momo_Kawashima
3 ай бұрын
"Why was he screaming?" 1. Why wouldn't he? 2. If you were smart you'd do the same.
@aronmarkovits5396
2 ай бұрын
He basically lured any and all animals to himself when he dropped his pack with food still in it. Anyways, who the hell just leaves their friend there for a full day, hears them scream for help and goes there expecting to find him where he was?
@Brian2
3 ай бұрын
Few minutes in and you saying he heard his friend screaming and didn't check until morning is wild. Wasn't his friend at all. To me naming someone a friend means loyalty, and if I need to go out of my tent in a winter storm cause a friend screamed? So be it. Simple as that.
@igotthejuice
3 ай бұрын
Sounds kinda gay.
@charissimpson235
3 ай бұрын
I don’t get that either. Firstly I don’t think I’d ever leave them frankly. If they couldn’t go any further, we’ll both stay right there. Plus they would’ve had safety and warmth with an extra person.
@minecraftfox4384
2 ай бұрын
You don't search by yourself at night.
@13donstalos
3 ай бұрын
I'll be honest: arriving at the conclusion that "bad decisions were made" is just fine because it's probably true. Truth > Fun.
@ThepupsnameisBrian
3 ай бұрын
Great show, Aiden! I was also delighted to see you on Tim Pool the other night!
@r.s.renkirk
3 ай бұрын
Good video as always boys. Those spooky mountains are a lot to take in. I don't understand why his friend would leave him alone in such weather to begin with, who knows. I'm glad I'm not the only one who makes the drinking problem joke when I spill my drink
@HappyBeezerStudios
2 ай бұрын
The one who went back made the right choice. Because if you notice you have trouble, turn back. Don't risk your life for ego. You can always try again another day.
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