I’m looking at the 245 for a full set and now these HM Pro has made the decision very difficult…😢
@bcn3487
22 күн бұрын
@@pierrebotha379I play 225 6- Gap. Do a jpx 923 forged for my 5 iron wanted to mix it up. Alittle more forgiving off the toe. But the softness isn’t there of puring a 225. Love the look and feel of the 225. All my buddies envy em visually.
@ronlangfus4946
21 күн бұрын
Please Pro 245 vs. hm pro.
@nickbryan217
21 күн бұрын
@@bcn3487I’ve been considering a mix set as well. 5-P in either the 225 or 245 and keeping the 4i out of my 919HM
@spencerpeaks9750
17 күн бұрын
I’ve had the 245 this whole season and they really do have great results on off center hits.
@joecook8352
22 күн бұрын
I got fitted into the 923 HM HL last year, they were more accurate than all the other gi irons for me by quite a lot. With a 73 mph swing speed I had trouble getting my old Mavrik irons in the air. They’re also very forgiving and I get my normal yardages when I hit them out of the middle. I can’t imagine the new version has a lot more distance than mine but I would love to see 923 HL vs 925 HL comparison with a slow swing player
@delhump22
22 күн бұрын
I play the 923 HM HL - In my fitting I was hitting the standard HM really well, but wanted that extra height the HL provides because the course I play most has very firm zoysia greens. I'm by no means a slow swing speed player, but decided to go with the HL for the extra stopping power. Used to be about a 29 handicap, since being fit into the 923 HL I've dropped that down to 12. Love this family of irons!
@enickma
22 күн бұрын
That's a hell of a drop! Good job 👍
@delhump22
22 күн бұрын
@enickma thanks! Got the irons Dec. 2022, they are great. Definitely eyeing a more compact version now, but hard to switch them out given the results I've had so far haha
@enickma
22 күн бұрын
@@delhump22 ... IMO, irons are the most critical scoring tool. Since they are clearly working, why change? You know their distances, and are confident with them. Any change will be a learning curve, and they might not be better
@delhump22
21 күн бұрын
@enickma yes for sure - it's what has me holding off for now I think. My swing has changed a lot since I got them. I really just need a lie adjustment. Had a bad slice when I first got them, so they were set 2° up, now I'm noticing too much heel interaction with the ground (now that I'm not so over the top with my swing). They are great irons though. I think I'll continue playing them until that handicap drops at least into the single digits, which will likely take a few years haha
@M3ntalR
22 күн бұрын
I'd love to see a Hot Metal Pro HL. The smaller head with closer to traditional lofts. Love to see a video where you weaken the lofts of the HM Pros and see how they differ to standard.
@erock1070
21 күн бұрын
Would love to see the HMP bent 2* weak and tested.
@johnbrodnik839
21 күн бұрын
Saw the 925 Forged in Japan. Very nice!
@johnatchley9754
18 күн бұрын
There is a UK pro I follow who hits every club he tests at three swing speeds, 70, 80 and 90 for the 7 iron. He also hits it all over the face to test forgiveness. He was very positive about these new irons. He thought the HL could work well for both high and low swing speed players. The HL has a steep enough descent angle at 70 to stop on greens. The pro and standard in his opinion carry further than he wants for those irons. The HL gave acceptable carry. Just like the comment by William Hartmann.
@WSTULL
22 күн бұрын
Good review. Waiting for the Gen 7 line up from PXG. 🎉
@todoespiaonline
21 күн бұрын
+1 for the 245 vs HMpro video
@Losiscoming
22 күн бұрын
I just got fit for 923 HMs and they were supposed to ship out this week. Got a call from my Fitter saying they were out of 923 heads and got me a free upgrade to 925s. Not sure how I feel about it since I haven’t seen them or hit them yet. Looks like I’ll find out in 2-3 weeks
@william_hartman
22 күн бұрын
IMO anyone of any swing speed who is looking for a game improvement iron should be looking at the Hot Metal HL over the standard Hot Metal. At 90+ MPH especially because the distance on the standard HM is just too far, you would be at or near 200 yards with the 7 iron which leaves massive gaps in the bottom of the bag and tighter gaps at 200+ yards where you don't need it. Zero people need a 7 iron less than 30 degrees. I was fitted for the 923 Hot Metal Pros with Project X LZ 6.5 and they were amazing in terms of forgiveness. However I had massive gaps at the bottom of the bag, my 7 iron was 195 yards, 8 iron was 175y, 9i 155y, PW 130y, and then the JPX 923 cross cut grooves GW was 112y. At the other end 6i was 205y, 5i 215y, and 4i 220y. I took them into Golf Galaxy to get them bent 2* weak to see if that would help, but because they are cast and not forged they couldn't bend them more than 0.5*. I bought a used set of 5i-PW, GW Mizuno Pro 245, swapped my shafts into them, and then went to GG and got them successfully bent 2*. Now I have a 32* 7i that is 180 yards and isn't noticeably less forgiving then the HMP. Plus it looks and feels way better!
@theDavesIknow
22 күн бұрын
I was able to get my 921 HM Pros bent 1⁰ 8i and 2⁰ 7-5i weaker no problems. So glad I did it. Similar to tune up vid the other month with one of the channel regulars, I didn't see any drop off in carry and got a higher trajectory with better stopping power. ...It is a little fitter experience tho with these clubs. One of the GT store fill ins couldn't move them more than 0.5⁰. The experience guy had them all done in 30 minutes.
@CoryLancasterYT
21 күн бұрын
PREACH! A shame these channels don't deep dive these crazy loft spreads!
@johnatchley9754
18 күн бұрын
Ask Golf Nut in the UK tested all three and would agree with you that the HL may be a better choice for high swing speeds
@william_hartman
18 күн бұрын
@@johnatchley9754 He absolutely does! I'm a member of his channel and have messaged back and forth with him about it a couple times.
@johnatchley9754
17 күн бұрын
@@william_hartman I am also a member. His three speeds all aver the face tests are unique, no one else that I know of on YT does that and it takes a lot of time and effort. I am 83, so his 70 mph tests are what really are relevant for me. Have played for over 62 years, still use forged blades with traditional lofts, 34 degree 7 iron. But mainly due to his emphasis on descent angle I have in the past two years replaced my 3, 4, and 5 irons with 21 degree 7W, 24 degree 9w, and 27 degree 11W. Can still just get my 31 degree 6 iron to a 40-42 degree DA but only if I concentrate on making a full, high backswing and not rushing the transition. It feels like I’m doing a reach for the sky Scottie Sheffler backswing until I see myself in the camera image at the indoor practice bay with launch monitor and realize it was just more of a normal backswing. Too easy at my age to shorten the backswing, hurry the transition, which throws off the whole sequence of body turn, and especially if you’re standing an inch or two too close, tends to promote early release, standing up, coming over the top, and all the evil gremlins that lead to lower trajectory left draws and hooks that reduce carry and descent angle and even if they do manage to reach the green, which is unlikely, they won’t stop. Even these new High Launch irons won’t compensate for incorrect swings, but as AGN clearly shows, they can help us all get the ball to stop on the green and that is one of our holy grails.
@DaveGreasy
22 күн бұрын
One thing that isn't really discussed with the HM lineup is the value. Free shaft and grip upgrades, you can get a custom set for a lot less than the big brands.. with arguably just as good quality and performance. Great in depth review fellas!
@seanpeacock5595
22 күн бұрын
That’s because “value” and $2,000 rarely go together
@DaveGreasy
22 күн бұрын
@@seanpeacock55952000? What hot metals are you looking at?
@randallpennington5976
22 күн бұрын
It seems to finally be an exciting time in iron development! Everyone is pushing the designs forward!
@ottawapop
22 күн бұрын
hoping the 925 JPX forged and tour aren't far behind. My 921 HM pros are still amazing.
@MikeBodo
22 күн бұрын
The Hot Metal JPX's are always announced before that year's Tour and Forged JPX sets. Those are normally announced January/February the following year.
@doublet91
22 күн бұрын
Was just coming to ask if I was crazy or was there a staggered release last time.
@fornuto1288
22 күн бұрын
Tours r done
@MikeBodo
22 күн бұрын
@@doublet91 In fall of '22 the JPX-923 Hot Metal series irons were introduced, i.e. Hot Metal, Hot Metal Pro and Hot Meta High Launch, followed by the JPX-923 Forged and Tour in late Jan./early Feb. 2023. Have to believe the same release schedule applies with the 925's. I'm not a big Hot Metal fan, so I'm anxious to see what they've done to improve the Forged and Tour sets, which are more players clubs with a touch of game improvement.
@jonbuikema7399
22 күн бұрын
Bring on the 925 Forged offering. Used 919 HMP for several years. Good feel but not forged feel. Went back to 923 Forged. These 925 HMP are interesting though. They need a HMP with HL option. The sole is just too much for me today in HL. Also, what about on course reviews to show turf interactions from fairways and rough? Thanks for the efforts. Have watched you for years! Love the reviews.
@MikeBodo
22 күн бұрын
While far from the most attractive JPX series produced, the results are pretty stunning. Definitely a noticeable upgrade in performance vs. the JPX-923 HM lineup. Kudos to Mizuno. I'll be curious to see how the JPX-925 Forged and Pro series compare to the Hot Metal. Great thorough review, as always, gents.
@theeangelman
15 күн бұрын
Currently have the JPX921 Hot Metals with Recoil 460 shafts. Hit the 923's when they came out but there was no material difference. Looking forward to trying these this winter.
@brendanhobbart
22 күн бұрын
New Video Idea?: Are we at a point now where those of us playing "Players" clubs are giving up performance all round when compared to the higher tech options like these new Mizzies? The blade argument has traditionally been in favor of more consistent distance control when struck well, while conceding a perhaps more pronounced distance loss from off-center strikes. The other side of the coin, the more distance oriented irons, come with the potential for an occasional bomber that goes 15 yards further than expected (or is that now a thing of the past?). I'd love to see a dive into where the current state of irons lies and whether or not we can now move to larger more forgiving heads without being afraid of losing control of distance?
@Ugghahbuggah
22 күн бұрын
this
@kamakitten
22 күн бұрын
Lord knows I'd much more stressed on the course with some more forgiving irons. My 223s aren't horrible, and I hit them pretty dang well. But my swing stayed home when I went to the course last Saturday and it really got me thinking about this. Please make this video guys!
@ryanwilliams3311
22 күн бұрын
I love this idea. It’s so hard to define when someone needs to switch between players distance and game improvement categories.
@CoryLancasterYT
21 күн бұрын
It's about swing speed mostly IMO!
@Longarmshortarm
22 күн бұрын
The mizuno pro series look so good, and then there’s these…
@johnatchley9754
18 күн бұрын
Understand that Mizuno has changed the focus for these irons from max distance to max forgiveness. Smart decision. Do you have the fitting heads already? Retail release apparently won’t be until September.
@23rounder
22 күн бұрын
I love watching these videos but in reality Ian is such a good ball striker that any club he tests looks good. Not really the target market for these clubs.
@Kevin-yh6dn
22 күн бұрын
Ian My Liege, That first 4 iron you hit in this video could have caused an earthquake. That ball was peed on. Great swing.
@MASnycli
22 күн бұрын
I think that they’re beautiful - and while my first instinct is to go for the HM Pro - maybe I’d really be better off with the HL. I’d actually love to see an on course video showing what happens when a fair player plays with an HL as opposed to a Pro (or a 245).
@AndrewNeilBaird
22 күн бұрын
Soon iron sets will not have traditional numbers on them , you will get fitted and a yardage for your stock shot distance will be etched on the sole .
@adamspencer9280
22 күн бұрын
With more forgiveness over the face I think the standard HM and HMP overlap too much. Inconsistent strikers can now get away with the HMP and have prettier package. Where I would have preferred for myself is overlap between the HM and HL, I deliver angle of attack -4, slightly in to out, 0.1 open face. All good numbers I think, but I'm older with nerve issues and only swing a 7i at 75mph. I need HL lofts and face flex speed, but I don't need off set as I'm not typical of target market in hitting behind the ball. I guess I'm after a high speed face in a modern traditional loft but without the off set. HL models all seem to come hand in hand with off set (appreciate that's to help with launch). Despite what will end up as 5 irons in the JPX line up I don't think they have this one. MP245 is closer but I understand the pop off the face is behind the JPX line up.
@wessims3412
22 күн бұрын
I play the 921 Hot Metal… i’ve tried many various sets of irons and these are definitely the ones that help me play my best. The 923 HM look excellent also, but these new ones are acceptable, but I don’t know where they get the idea to put that white badge on the back of the hot metal. The black on the pro looks much better. I will stick with what I have. I certainly don’t like the look of any of these any better and you’ve got to like what you are looking at. but for performance, these look very good and I’m sure we’ll suit a lot of golfers
@jeff.schulze
22 күн бұрын
How about an HL for Lefties? Since they don't exist, should I just have the regular Hot Metal irons loft increased?
@trumpnation4198
10 күн бұрын
Like they say, “nothing feels like a Mizuno.” I have the 921 hot metals and couldn’t be happier. I tested out the Titleist, and Pings in the game improvement realm. It wasn’t even close. Mizuno was much better than both.
@johndomutz1052
22 күн бұрын
I'm an older guy, low swing speed, and need the lift. If they will produce it in left-hand I'll buy it.
@mashedpotatoes5276
21 күн бұрын
Well go grab them cause they come in LH
@johndomutz1052
20 күн бұрын
@@mashedpotatoes5276 I went and checked the website, and it says dexterity RH only. Are you sure they have LH in high launch???
@vt20247
6 күн бұрын
First topic...how the hell is your ball goes so far but your swing is so slow...slow like Fred Couple..Nice Swing!!! Thank you for making the video and explaining the difference between the models. I have watched and seen many video but basically just people hitting the ball with different club but they never explained as well as you guys did.
@michaelchristopher7470
21 күн бұрын
The HL looks very interesting! I'm almost 80 years old and play MP 23'. I will test these and see how much fun I can have playing golf again. Thanks for a great and timely test!
@simonsaunders1730
21 күн бұрын
Be interesting to see the HMPs up against ‘truer’ lofted 923 Tours (or similar). AW to 6 in the HMPs, PW to 5 in the tours. I kinda switched off the loft conversation years ago. All I really worry about is how nice my - say - 150 yard club is… height, spin, descent angle. Don’t care if it says PW or 9i.
@colecole4774
22 күн бұрын
I think the HL would be more beneficial to even fast swing speed players (90+ mph 7 iron) than the HM Pro or standard HM. In theory it’ll provide them more consistency. Hopefully when/if mizuno launches the 925 forged it’ll be 32-33* seven iron.
@jjohnson8335
11 күн бұрын
Love your reviews. Question I do have as I am a current CC customer is your talk about mixed sets or really any set that I purchase. Fixings are generally done with 6 irons at CC. Granted we need to have confidence in our fitter but without hitting the entire set how do I have confidence that I am making the right choice? When I have ordered a custom set at CC and other shops I am still really nervous that I am not making the right decision. Eg my last set I ended up getting different shafts after receiving my custom shaft as they didn’t preform as expected. I would probably be even more worried with a mixed set as I am only really testing one club in set.
@Tywithay
22 күн бұрын
Would the HL be an option for someone with 88mph 7i, but tends to drag the handle and deloft it a bit?
@brianh395
21 күн бұрын
I've never been fitted and I was curious how my old irons would equate to these new stronger lofted clubs. Example, I game very old (Year 2000) Callaway X-14 Steelhead Irons, my 6 iron is 28* loft and I carry it 185 yards, my 5 iron carries 200 yards. I'm guessing that the HM 7 iron being at loft of 28* would carry the same as my old 6 iron? I have no issues with stopping any iron on a green, since I hit a very high ball anyway. Just trying to get an idea before looking at new clubs come spring. BTW....Love your video!!!
@imanolarrillaga6923
22 күн бұрын
Those HL may be onto something
@valdezrl
22 күн бұрын
Coming from the 921 forged the 925 HM Pro are interesting. Based on what I have seen the offset specs are really close. I would not mind a similar type iron with the extra forgiveness and distance.
@ski3504
22 күн бұрын
Disappointing looks compared to ZX4, T350, and Ai300.
@jerrysmiley1084
19 күн бұрын
I really want to try the HL model.
@williamkshaw
13 күн бұрын
These are the ones I want but I want to know if it should be the 925 or will the 923 be just fine
@xTimx2002
22 күн бұрын
I would love to do a comparison of all these clubs, but sadly i'm a left handy, and the HL doesnt come in Left-handed :( so disappointing :( EDIT: I still would love to see a comparison of a forged and HM for stats, from you guys!
@spuddie1103
21 күн бұрын
Can you guys do a budget driver fairway woods shafts,like $100 us or less I think a lot of people would be interested to see what's out there that they don't know about
@simonsmart3784
22 күн бұрын
Hit these. Love the HM pro
@mikecook8059
22 күн бұрын
Is there a swing speed where going from the Hot Metal to the Hot Metal HL makes sense? For example, I swing my 7 iron at about 80 mph but tend to hit it low. Would the HL's be a significant benefit?
@rlbjr
22 күн бұрын
I believe Mizuno said around upper 70 mph and lower is where you would benefit.
@jacobbrooks1576
22 күн бұрын
If the high launch model was the same Loft as the hot metal would they basically be the same club or do they still launch higher
@timshearer9145
22 күн бұрын
What effect would the offset have between the pro and the hm. I play 923 hm now and wonder if the 925 pro is a big jump. Thank you both
@epikplatypus11
22 күн бұрын
Hot metal pro 7 iron is lower spin than standard Hot Metal, but Hot metal pro 4 iron is higher spin than standard Hot metal?
@randymahony8157
22 күн бұрын
I'd like to see you compare the Hot medal line to the new Apex Ai 200 and 300.
@DexterBoots09
22 күн бұрын
A more square version of Sim iron. Jpx Sim25.
@rodmoura5851
22 күн бұрын
Does the HL version 4-7 iron also have tungsten in the sole?
@nealfreeman01
22 күн бұрын
Another Ronnie club to test!
@steveberens9593
20 күн бұрын
Stronger lofts, of course they'll go longer
@atxrich
22 күн бұрын
This is the same story as the previous generation 923 line. I'd be curious to see what kind of gains (if any) there are 925 vs 923. Negligible if I had to guess.
@jakedavid4304
22 күн бұрын
In the live it seemed like the ONLY thing that Ian pointed to with the hot metal line that this set feels like it’s hot, ie that mizuno have gone away from making the game improvement irons feeling soft to feeling fast (crisp face clicky sounds/feels techy). So if you aren’t someone who cares about ‘feel’ and the two irons give negligible differences in the numbers then not worth the $ I’ll be certainly looking at picking up the 923’s at a value price.
@Tywithay
22 күн бұрын
The speed should be roughly the same. 925 should be more forgiving across the face. That's not going to show up after 5 shots on a KZitem video by a scratch golfer. It will be evident in the averages after a 20hdcp hits the ball hundreds of times.
@Cavestyle
22 күн бұрын
Cool Clubs compared them already. The 925 line launches slightly higher with slightly more spin. Lose 2-3 yards of distance but improved control and dispersion
@hypent500
22 күн бұрын
My 23* t350 five iron goes to 230 yards with 100 feet in height. Is there a head in the mizuno lineup that has more potential for me to gain more than 230 yards at 140 ball speed
@gearbox1858
22 күн бұрын
Wow. You should be on tour!
@SvingitGolf
22 күн бұрын
Shouldn't the Pro modell have the higher loft instead of HL version?
@will.m1110
22 күн бұрын
We might be on to something
@atxrich
22 күн бұрын
Pro is just a smaller, compact version of standard HM. It's always been regarded that way.
@seancondon2097
22 күн бұрын
Leaves space for Forged and Tour to have traditional loft profile. HM and HM Pro for player needs distance, hl for player who needs launch and then the forged and tour will be focused on player who wants feel and spin.
@zazhou
22 күн бұрын
So if you test a 7 iron HMP against a 6 iron tour or forged, what would the data tell you as regards ball speed, spin, height, carry and descent angle?
@ipotato95
21 күн бұрын
I feel like these videos are getting a little too consistent. Ian just kind of stripes it all day and we don’t really have a reference. Bring back high handicaps with comparisons to their gamers or something
@saintpatrick6681
21 күн бұрын
looking jpx 900. just more expensive
@SaKuL_W
22 күн бұрын
I have the 923 HM irons and at times they almost go too far. Anyone have a recommendation for a players CB that would still provide some distance but not like the 923 + a slimmer profile ?
@sethmcgregor5086
22 күн бұрын
“Alright fraz, okay fraz” holy shit find something new to say
@125astephens
22 күн бұрын
I feel like the tour has been replaced more by the new 41-45 range. Would love to see a comparison between the hot metal lineup and the 243/45 which I feel I would like either but do not understand the difference between one over the other
@bwclark174a
22 күн бұрын
Agreed. Would love to see a Hot Metal Pro vs Pro 243 comparison.
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@dennissmith1904
22 күн бұрын
instead of calling the 42 degree a PW why not just say it is 9 with shorter shaft for control
@evmollet5418
22 күн бұрын
Just make these in classic lofts….
@connermurphins5751
22 күн бұрын
They did explain something extremely similar to that in the video.. it is a CG location topic. It’s 9 iron loft with the launch and flight characteristics of a pitching wedge while still giving the benefit that stronger lofts do to produce extra speed for the players that need it. If it was traditional lofts it would be borderline unplayable, either too high for the players with any sort of speed or comes off the face too slow for the players that lack swing speed. It’s not that OEMs are making strong lofted clubs for them to just say you hit them longer. If you could get the ball to launch in the same window as your current club with 3-5 extra mph in ball speed, it should be a no brainer for the people that want ease of producing speed and height.
@dennissmith1904
22 күн бұрын
@connermurphins5751 problem is most people i have seen sold these type of irons don't swing fast enough to get ball in the air
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@pdmv8471
22 күн бұрын
I have the JPX923 HMPs. The look of the 5 iron is so off-putting down at the ball (looks like it has a caboose attached to it) that I replaced it with a hybrid. Can you see lots of back looking down at the 4 iron? Also, I've ordered Mizuno irons about 4 or 5 times over the years from fitting days, fits at golf shops, etc. EVERY set came to me a 1/2 inch long! I'd send back and get a refund. At first I blamed it on poor QC. But after the last set (the JPX923s), I can only conclude it is their business model. EXTREMELY ANNOYING!
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