Eric Bichoff had this great quote (paraphrased): "you shouldn't celebrate how many people bought your ppv if that ppv completely sucked, because that's the number of people who are going to second guess buying your next." I think of that every time I hear MK1 sales.
@pjefsquad
2 ай бұрын
💯
@just_2swift
2 ай бұрын
Damn that's some real sht 😮
@FL3GS
2 ай бұрын
Theres the goat mk9, then mkx got heavily edited/censored leading into mk11 which was more politically correct bullcrap... I learned my lesson on 11. I skipped mk1 and I'm so so so so thankful I did...coming from someone who used to bleed mk...these are sad times...
@GBurnYa
2 ай бұрын
Kameos should have never been a thing
@heimstaden4588
2 ай бұрын
They had to or mk1 was going to be same shit as mk11. In other words, take out kameos and this is mk11.
@Kratosx23
2 ай бұрын
@@heimstaden4588 MK 11 was more popular than MK 1. 😂
@buddhakai1458
2 ай бұрын
The moment I saw it wasn't a REAL 2v2 game (just refine the 2v2 mode from MK9), I knew the fundamental logic of this game was going to be very lazily implemented.
@heimstaden4588
2 ай бұрын
@@Kratosx23 compared to mkx and 9 it was boring gameplay my man
@algokose4027
2 ай бұрын
It made the main characters boring and it's really not fun to hop on whatever kameo is the strongest at the time.
@jerrellsimmons144k6
2 ай бұрын
Tom keep your feet on their necks.
@Jomael954
2 ай бұрын
Tom ain’t fckin off 😂😂😂 NRS need to hire him
@shinemyspine
2 ай бұрын
@@Jomael954we need to replace bit with tom
@arjunratnadev
2 ай бұрын
@@Jomael954They should make Tom their CEO, I believe most us are more passionate for MK then NRS
@KenshinRell
2 ай бұрын
MK1 is the worst tag assist game I’ve played. They had an opportunity to make it unique but like Tom and Mike Hollow said it’s bland and boring.
@tyusmcdaniel8977
2 ай бұрын
They literally already had the precursor of Tag from MK9, all they had to do was put it back in this game but obviously revamp it and tweak it more. But no we had to get this watered down version of it called Kameos smh I just don't get who they were making this game for 😂
@YMan-zo5kg
2 ай бұрын
It shouldn’t be tag assist, the game has always sold because of its 1v1 gameplay. No matter how good kameos are implemented, many players will not touch it because it’s not 1v1.
@KenshinRell
2 ай бұрын
@@tyusmcdaniel8977 I've listened to alot of Tom's videos and I've gotta agree this game feels and looks like a massive cash grab. People love MK they know this the devs dont have to do alot of work to sell the game to the masses and they dont care about the pros AT ALL. They used MK's name to make a quick buck. If MK1 sells 5-10 million copies that's a success for WB/NR and they'll just continue doing the same stuff over and over again. Now WB is talking about live service and we've already been down that road with other games and besides helldivers 2 it never works.
@tyusmcdaniel8977
2 ай бұрын
@YMan-zo5kg that's fair but I'll be lying if I didn't say that's what made Mk9 really fun for me, and here they could've just had Tag as a separate thing, but also focused on 1v1 as their priority. That way at least it would be a little more content for you in the game maybe besides shitty invasions.
@KenshinRell
2 ай бұрын
@@tyusmcdaniel8977 It could've worked but they should've put this kameo stuff in a mode and made the entire game 1v1. Look at Tekken and SF they're 1v1 I don't understand why WB/NRS went down this kameo route so hard. Look at other tag assist games they're crazy and fun, MK1 as a tag assist game has got to be one of the most boring and bland assist fighting games I've played. Sadly they have some of my favorite MK characters in there like Human Smoke but I legit have no interest to play him in MK1 because this game is so bland and boring gameplay wise.
@lebron8866
2 ай бұрын
It’s unfortunate but I believe it’s necessary for MK to die in order for it to be reborn. Ed Boon and NRS have shown nothing but incompetence and contempt for the franchise.
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
It had a good run though! MK 9 and MKX are both games that I will always have fond memories of. What really makes me scratch my head is a lot of the QA testers and developers were in the competitive scene in the MK9 and Injustice 1 days, they knew what was good and what needed fixing. I hope for a shaolin monks 2 or like a 3D era remaster of DA/Deception/Armageddon, or even an MK9/MKX remaster.
@tyusmcdaniel8977
2 ай бұрын
I have been saying this for a long time with MK that they need to take a long break and just do something different with it like Shaolin Monks 2 or a remake, maybe a re-release of MK9/MKX cause those are their magnum opuses, or something! But because they do sell pretty well, they don't feel the need to do anything different and remain complacent smh. Just sloth and Greed at its finest.
@Enigma830
2 ай бұрын
@tyusmcdaniel8977 Although the thought of a Shaolin Monks 2 sounds amazing, I truly hope they don't do it. After seeing how games are now and the way NRS are handling MK as a whole worries me. It would just be littered with battle passes and overpriced skins and, hell, maybe bonus characters behind pre order/dlc paywalls. Just remaster the first game, not even remake, so it doesn't get ruined. I highly doubt they can recreate the masterpiece the original was. Don't ruin my childhood further!
@earthquakenate
2 ай бұрын
Community: "MK1 is too simple and restricted" NRS: Nerfs!
@AkujinGG
2 ай бұрын
Kameo system is anti-variation by nature and can never be fixed, you will always pick what is best. Most assist games have natural variation because your assists are also the characters you have to play. MK1 reminds me of Marvel vs Capcom 1 where you had like 20 guest characters you could summon like kameos but everyone just picked Colossus 😂
@DevilRising
2 ай бұрын
Colossus or Psylocke assist was the whole game. There were a few other fringe ones like Devilot but it was a 2 kameo game
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
true, but your argument also applies to MK's variation system, people are always going to pick which variation is the best. How many fisticuff JC players did you see? How many Special Forces Sonya? Warlock Quan Chi? Lackey Ferra/Torr? *BEST EXAMPLE* Bone Shaper Shinnok? MK 11 found a way to take the variation worse after 4 years. Unless you forgot how they added a patch which allowed players to play ranked matches with kustom variations.
@AkujinGG
2 ай бұрын
@@angelstyle9677 yeah or course, that's why I never liked that system either. I always thought they wasted time and resources doing 3 versions of a character when they already wasted said time and resources giving characters brand new moves since the last game. And for what? If we ultimately just end up with one "better" version why not just scrap this concept, make just one character and focus on polishing more important stuff? That's why I was pretty optimistic when I heard MK1 dropped those variations, finally they could focus on other aspects of the game... unfortunately it wasn't the case.
@M_CFV
2 ай бұрын
@@angelstyle9677that's the point, he wanted the argument to apply to MK1 lol
@MillzSzn
2 ай бұрын
nah homie mkx variation system had it right each variation played different LordHeishin was a phenomenal lackey ferra torr player destructiongod was probably nastiest blood god kotal will2humble aftershock tremer was flithy julysalien dualist liu kang was heartless some ppl had atleast 2 valid variations i despise zoning but i loved predator i didnt use hqt but hunter predator cuz he is a setup/trap character that fits my playstyle they are heavy weapons jax specialist with the cancels, deus was a great cybernetic kano in mkx u had options u just didnt have to pick the best variation to win or have fun
@EastyyBlogspot
2 ай бұрын
I was shocked how quickly i got bored with the game...a new character or kameo is not going to fix it and imagine if they did do a great character that was amazing....the rest of the roster suffers
@CrashdummyX
2 ай бұрын
I had the same experience, the gameplay loop is just boring to me. Kameos were supposed expand options and add diverse gameplans, but instead it makes all characters run a similar gameplan. They are just doing slightly different attacks to end up with the same situations.
@hevenrd7886
2 ай бұрын
Since the true creator of MK left the scene (Tobias), the franchise was never the same. All the lore, the magic, the fun, and most importantly, the creativity of MK disappeared with Tobias. Just my humble opinion.
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
If shaolin monks, MK9 and MKX didn't exist. I would hard agree.
@rocksteady_tv5065
2 ай бұрын
@@angelstyle9677I had this same thought recently and had a revelation. All of those games piggy back off of Tobias era stories, characters and gameplay mostly.
@Akela_akilla
2 ай бұрын
Nah this is just revisionist. Shaolin monks was great, MK9 completely revitalized not only the franchise but also changed the FGC in general (story mode), MKX was still a great game as well. Imo this is boils down to NRS thinking they can do whatever they want and still reap the benefits. There have been clear creative risks since MK9, some great some absolutely horrible.
@cameroncantu633
2 ай бұрын
Shaolin Monks was such a great game. Even after beating it I replayed it as Sub Zero. Mk9 for me was cool but MKX was like...Holy Shite! Great for me! They should have learned from MkX and built up on that formula. The only things that have always been kinda cringe for me are the stories. Man...the directing is terrible and they really just...don't have much imagination anymore. Like Reptile really doesn't act like he's sad and enraged about his family being murdered. SubZero's failure is a gag n he isn't taken as threat. Mileena should have had a secret relationship with BARACKA (great forbidden love story) and not ugly Tanya. King Jerrod looks and talks like a bitch. Fuck him, we just want Ermac! Shao Kahn should have been snapping necks and one lining mofos! Megan Fox should never have been included. Rains skins and fucking staff suck ass visually. Where is the bicycle kick? SubZero and Frost need to be a secret couple until she stabs him in the back. Qui Liang should have been called Tundra and Hanzo should have remained Scorpion though I'm not complaining too much about that switch up. Man I could seriously write a compelling and moving new story for this franchise. I really could...
@cameroncantu633
2 ай бұрын
Shaolin Monks was such a great game. Even after beating it I replayed it as Sub Zero. Mk9 for me was cool but MKX was like...Holy Shite! Great for me! They should have learned from MkX and built up on that formula. The only things that have always been kinda cringe for me are the stories. Man...the directing is terrible and they really just...don't have much imagination anymore. Like Reptile really doesn't act like he's sad and enraged about his family being murdered. SubZero's failure is a gag n he isn't taken as threat. Mileena should have had a secret relationship with BARACKA (great forbidden love story) and not ugly Tanya. King Jerrod looks and talks like a bitch. Fuck him, we just want Ermac! Shao Kahn should have been snapping necks and one lining mofos! Megan Fox should never have been included. Rains skins and fucking staff suck ass visually. Where is the bicycle kick? SubZero and Frost need to be a secret couple until she stabs him in the back. Qui Liang should have been called Tundra and Hanzo should have remained Scorpion though I'm not complaining too much about that switch up. Man I could seriously write a compelling and moving new story for this franchise. I really could...
@KARS215
2 ай бұрын
MK1 is DONE! This game on a surface level, being an assist fighter should be as nutty as MKX was. Yet, it’s somehow as boring and bland as MK11.
@Rayutomoto
2 ай бұрын
People still had different play styles in Mortal Kombat 11 while using the same character. Same can't be said with this game.
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
@@Rayutomoto Different styles? You mean the same game that did so poorly with the variation system, they patched the game to allow kustom variations in ranked games and tournament play? LMAO. You can't give credit to MK11 when they had 4 years to improve upon MKX's variation system, just for them to launch with a significantly worse variation system. Like tell me your first game is MK 11 without telling me your first game is MK 11.
@Rayutomoto
2 ай бұрын
@@angelstyle9677 I never claimed that Mortal Kombat 11 was perfect Also Mortal Kombat 2 on the Sega Genesis was my first Mortal Kombat game. Also I never really had the chance to play Mortal Kombat 9 or 10. I played Mortal Kombat on Playstation 2 3D era besides the first one and I played Shaolin monks
@DaPerfecto57
2 ай бұрын
Then your opinion makes no sense. It’s a logical fallacy in itself.
@KARS215
2 ай бұрын
@@DaPerfecto57 no sir, you’re just slow. You can’t name another tag/assist fighter that isn’t a nutty game. It’s just a part of the design. MK9 tag mode was completely busted and that’s how it’s supposed to be. Trying to balance an assist game is like swimming away from a tsunami 😂
@Kryo_GTS
2 ай бұрын
What NRS needs to do is use MK9 as a legacy foundation for the following game moving forward and build on that instead of trying to reinvent that wheel again.
@MillzSzn
2 ай бұрын
I think they struck gold with the mkx variations can u imagine ninjakilla playing an updated dragons fire!!
@Kryo_GTS
2 ай бұрын
@@MillzSznPersonally I think the variation system was far too restrictive but aside from that, MKX wouldn't be a bad foundation to work off of.
@gpolenik
2 ай бұрын
@@Kryo_GTS I think it was a good idea that gave us different playstyles but kind of ruined many characters because it was so restrictive. MKX was a good game though just gameplaywise. Worse than MK9 but still a great game IMO. MK9 was really fantastic
@wizardgamehubz
2 ай бұрын
Mike said something I agree they don't feel supernatural. Imagine there moves and style creative...
@jackaljade
2 ай бұрын
MK has basically lost its identity. It needs to go back to its roots, faraway from Injustice, and rediscover itself.
@DonYoGi8331
2 ай бұрын
Bingo!
@ProHunter_invencivel1
2 ай бұрын
Remove kameo and overhaul the game. It was a bad bad idea.
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
Kameo can stay. Just make it an additional game mode. I think with a rework of the fighting system MK1 has, kameos can be an interesting idea. It just looks horrible since the characters themselves are so shallow and lack depth. The only characters that feel finished are Johnny, Kenshi and Ashrash since they all have like secondary stances or perks that add a layer to their playstyle.
@DaPerfecto57
2 ай бұрын
No. NRS needs to stop re-inventing the wheel. Each game is an unpredictable mess and has no consistency. All the buttons for each character changes with each iteration of the game and it feels like homework to learn the game from scratch. They need to add to the game not to subtract what makes it fun. Thanks to the kameo system, I didn’t buy the game and never will. Not everything works and it’s best to stay consistent otherwise you alienate your players.
@louietheloser1821
2 ай бұрын
@@angelstyle9677Tanya too. She has a lot of hidden tech people haven't uncovered like gaining an additional teleport when absorbing projectiles etc.
@arjunratnadev
2 ай бұрын
It's seems like they've given up really, there's no point now
@abeharewood9683
2 ай бұрын
Pre ordered , relatively good player but I saw the red flags with how quickly I found myself in a character crisis while I also looked for fresh pairings like smoke\frost …. Stopped playing the game for a while now and this has been the quickest ever mk I’ve lost interest in.
@abeharewood9683
2 ай бұрын
For reference within the span of the games “fresh” period I mained shao/sonya but ended up playing Johnny,smoke etc .. realized that kameos are more important than the actual characters.
@klaudiuszswierczynski787
2 ай бұрын
I hate when people call good characters "broken", I would rather have more "broken" characters with high damaging combos than boring low damaging combos, it takes away all the fun mannn
@djfusionkotb
2 ай бұрын
You two should do a podcast. Great chemistry.
@JW-vl5or
2 ай бұрын
Just have Hollow replace ForeverkingJr on The New Era Pod
@amosuawoyemi9959
2 ай бұрын
New Era Podcast in my opinion doesn't fit Mike Hollow and I actually think Tom and Mike really have good chemistry on this particular topic. New Era Podcast should be separate from what Tom and Mike are doing.
@franciscor390
2 ай бұрын
They're great, would like to see them on Tekken 8 talk.
@djfusionkotb
2 ай бұрын
They should call it Shambolic
@TheBanimal
2 ай бұрын
I am a hate watcher, love watching MK1's downfall
@D4Deyo
2 ай бұрын
Why?
@straightcaniven906
2 ай бұрын
your the problem
@DaPerfecto57
2 ай бұрын
He’s not the problem, the senior management team at NRS are the problem. Silencing the critics doesn’t prove they’re wrong, just that they’re afraid of the criticism.
@vlad-ut1sz
2 ай бұрын
Well tough luck cuz mk1 is quite literally more successful than both street fighter 6 and tekken 8 COMBINED. More sales,more views,more players across all platforms etc. numbers don’t lie my friend,mk1 as of now is shaping up to be the greatest fighting game oat and the devs are on the right path to complete that goal. Again NUMBERS DONT LIE LIL BRO
@thirstysquidward3554
2 ай бұрын
@@vlad-ut1szhow's Ed's rod taste?
@DQuan810
2 ай бұрын
It’s Kombat supposedly at its most brutal form and the main way to attack any target is to “Hit them @ the Ankle first”. This is just down right comical to me now 🤣🤦🏾♂️
@DiamondDogggg
2 ай бұрын
This game needs a turbo mode or something. So slow
@FL3GS
2 ай бұрын
I 100 percent believe this was supposed to be injustice. The evidence is everywhere. What happened is that wb/DC saw that every other fighter coming out was miles ahead of theirs and said "y'all better fix this"
@CrashdummyX
2 ай бұрын
The MK fans seem to be similar to the Madden or Call of Duty fans. Where they'll buy it every time and just make excuses for why so many people hate it.
@thirstysquidward3554
2 ай бұрын
Abused housewife mentality.
@munem939
2 ай бұрын
The best way to describe NRS patching MK1 is that they're putting out fires, instead of fixing the leaking gas pipe right next to the fires
@KraZeOzone
2 ай бұрын
If only people supported games like Mortal Kombat X instead of this. Could you guys imagine seeing MKX again after so many years and actually seeing a proper fighting game again? Would be a sight to see. Fuck mk1
@DQuan810
2 ай бұрын
I think the true creative process and processes of creativity towards these characters and Mortal Kombat is lost personally
@mrAPchem
2 ай бұрын
Here's the issue at play - people actually campaigned for these changes. Lots of them. If you go to Rip's Arena video on the patch, there's nothing but cheers and joy in the comment section at the results of this patch wherein there is a flattening of character power. People actually do want characters to do less stuff - as long as it's everyone else's character but theirs. And the worst part is this phenomenon won't stop here - when the next wave of top-tier Kameos and characters arrives, those same people who whined for Sub-Zero/Johnny/Stryker/Cyrax nerfs will now target whoever is at the top at that time. This nerf loop will never end - NRS placates to whiners.
@AuContraireMonFraire
2 ай бұрын
This x1000.
@abdulkarimelnaas7595
2 ай бұрын
I think this is slightly unfair because by now everyone has a character and those people asking for nerfs likely play underpowered characters, which is the entire roster minus 3 guys. They know NRS won't buff anyone, let alone significantly buff 90% of the roster, so this is the next best thing.
@mrAPchem
2 ай бұрын
@@abdulkarimelnaas7595 I can see your point, but this is not necessarily true. The vast majority of the cast is in a good place competitively and as characters. Everyone in the cast - minus Quan Chi - has a 7-frame D1 and an armor move to counter Johnny Cage's pressure, even worst characters in the game. These characters have more than enough means to counter what Johnny wants to do - but it requires players to hit the lab and discover their options. The vast majority of players would rather whine than lab - and NRS has made a 10-year habit of placating that whining. This is what has led to NRS's habit of handing out nerfs like candy rather than buffs.
@sith.713lord
2 ай бұрын
I’m a big fan of MK, since the first game and it breaks my heart to see it dying not just the game but the community as well. I still play it religiously and hope that it get better and hope that the community comes back
@walmartian422
2 ай бұрын
Stop playing it go play 9 or X stop supporting this crap it’s not going to magically get good.
@EggZackLeeee
2 ай бұрын
Your delusion is admirable… I give you that 😂
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
My first MK was MK 2 on the sega genesis when I was only 3 years old. I've been an avid MK fan ever since. Have 2k hours minimum between MK9/MKX. Stop playing MK1. If a game is not in a state that you personally enjoy, then don't support it. I bought MK 11, hated it and never played it after a couple weeks. MK 1 had potential, but with all the online issues, lack of features, mediocre offline game modes, and STILL no cross play, I'd rather put time into Tekken 8 or SF 6.
@sith.713lord
2 ай бұрын
@@angelstyle9677I paid for the regular version kind of glad for that, but I have not bought any skins or fatalities. Im actually thinking about getting into tekken
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
@@sith.713lord I would recommend it. It’s honestly really fun even though i’m not too good. Theres plenty of single player content and so many online features.
@wizardgamehubz
2 ай бұрын
If they gonna force us to use Kano more but guess what gonna happen next Kano gonna get nerf bcuz more people use him...and the circle continues...instead of having multiple options with powered up kamos ...I don't know what to think anymore
@CxldHxarts
2 ай бұрын
Is tremor even an actual kameo in this game? I haven't heard shit about bro since he dropped
@allforthefans
2 ай бұрын
He costs too much to use effectively with most characters, except maybe Shao and Reiko. Well, not effectively per se but optimally.
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
There are just other kameos that generate the same value with less work. He also has poor synergy with a lot of the kast.
@walmartian422
2 ай бұрын
MK1 really is a throwback to 90s fighting games and by that I mean the really bad nonsensical ones like Pit Fighter, Time Killers, MK ported to super nintendo etc
@reapercometh
2 ай бұрын
I feel bad i bought mk1 and unlike tekken i got my characters in mk1. I feel ripped off. An assist game being this slow and boring is horrifically painful
@tdubasdfg
2 ай бұрын
I'm not buying the story expansion DLC unless they announce some drastic changes
@bloodCount8895
2 ай бұрын
Another brilliant Paulo Gracia balance patch
@shinemyspine
2 ай бұрын
Even if nrs gets seperated from wb the future games will still be crappy if him and the rest of the problem employees at nrs remain there
@bloodCount8895
2 ай бұрын
@@shinemyspine exactly
@albanmarku6743
2 ай бұрын
It's sad the Kameos in this game are just there to keep your turn or skip neutral. Buff them. I want to see some interesting interactions.
@KPG_33
2 ай бұрын
I bet the round start “bug” isn’t even a bug, bet it was an oversight by devs
@ImmortalReaver
2 ай бұрын
I uninstalled the game. I might return if things change. But you guys have seen the shining right? I feel like that's ALMOST my mental state with this game. One more patch and HEEEEERE'S JOHNNY!
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
33:33 they are well aware, but it seems since Inj2, MK11, and MK1, their focus is more on kasual base rather than the fanbase. They are more interested in bringing in more numbers with new players than focusing on the core fanbase love for the franchise.
@DQuan810
2 ай бұрын
It’s crazy to think a game…LIKE “KILLER INSTINCT” that was based off mortal Kombat does it better with creativity with character. In Mortal Kombat you have a wide array of different characters form different realms w/ major differences in abilities and not only does the game feel bland. There is no true style and essence of these characters because everyone has to get nerf’D🤦🏾♂️. A person whom can create ICE from the air should be one of the most complex,compelling, archetypes😅 and everyone cried nerf him…. SCORPION should literally be able to harness Hellfire waaaaay more! And be soooo much more brutal and yet he is a Basic Bitch.
@pinkpyjamas4090
2 ай бұрын
Kameos was a mistake.
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
MK is a household name. Grandparents know who scorpion and subzero are. It's just popular in pop culture, but it's not the most popular fighting game because our kommunity has always been the smallest.
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
I keep telling people who ask if they should get the game not to get the game in hopes I can generate enough players to save their money and force NRS/WBD to adjust to their failure. I bought it strictly for kompeting but regretted the purchase since the day I put a down payment on it. I was never sold on the game as soon as kameos was announced and not tag team. But it wasn't gonna stop me from kompeting.
@fragdq
2 ай бұрын
they had big plans for the game, because it was supposed to be Injustice 3 and not MK12. Then they changed everything and pushed out an unfinished mess of a game. People usually dont go on Twitch to stream for a game to hate on it. Or people dont go on twitch to watch a live stream to hate on it. People go on youtube to look for hating videos that share their own hate towards MK1, thats what the difference is between youtube and Twitch LIVE streams. And those who argue that MK is big on youtube... yeh FO dude, you just dont wanna lose your income generated by MK games. All you do is try to safe your "job"
@justdrew312
2 ай бұрын
Hollow said steppenwolf, but shao has Hades' moveset from injustice 1
@ShadowedAgony
2 ай бұрын
Shaolin Monks is simply too good of an idea to expect from them. Even if they did make it, they would make it a liveservice or some shit
@Nomdro
2 ай бұрын
I switched from MK to Tekken, and I got my ass completely wrecked, but that didn't discourage me from wanting to learn the game and keep playing, as the systems in the game, and the quality of the overall package kept me satisfied.
@anaturalending2000
2 ай бұрын
You just learning a better game it’s all, it takes time
@Nomdro
2 ай бұрын
@@anaturalending2000 I just needed to play Alisa lmao.
@XaeeD
2 ай бұрын
Conan the Barbarian as a guest character for this game would be an insult to the character. I don't like guest characters to begin with, as they take up precious slots that established MK characters could've filled, and because I prefer creating new MK characters; which they didn't really do for MK1. But if you have to add guest characters, then it has to make sense for the game. MKX was a very stark looking game, and so the horror movie characters made sense for that game. The action movie characters that were added to MK11 made sense for that game. But Conan would only really work in an MK game if the story, style and tone of the game allowed for it. They're adding all of these super hero characters now, and so to include Robert E. Howard's character all of a sudden wouldn't make any logical sense. I think "General Shao" feels out of place in this game. That's because the original Shao Kahn was a kind of Hyborian Age warlord. I mean, MK2 Kitana's ending actually uses a shot from Conan the Destroyer as its background. The castle on top of the mountain was directly copy-pasted from that movie. Outworld was originally inspired by Howard's Hyborian world, clearly. People working over at NRS apparently don't realize that, and that's why Outworld now just looks like a pre-industrial revolution Asian country, as opposed to an alternate antediluvian version of Earth. Swords and sorcery is very much at the heart of the Outworld concept. And that's where a character like Shao Kahn can shine. "General Shao" (aka discount Steppenwolf) is basicaly just fodder. But the character had already been declawed in the previous game. The weird thing here is that people might think that Conan wouldn't belong in an MK game, but Shao Kahn inherently belongs in Conan's world. So to me it's really weird for NRS to add Conan, if the rumors are true, because it's like they're going back to a major inspirational source for the original MK universe' lore, while they've consistently negated and ignored those original external sources, and have drastically moved away from them. Just keep adding your Homelanders and Omnimen and whatever, and maybe save Conan for when the MK ip is handed over to a developer that knows and cares about Mortal Kombat.
@Gizapowerplant
2 ай бұрын
Once again... Enlightening discussion, fantastic observation and commentary! Educational and articulate! Thank you Gents!
@SteveDarby-uy1tq
2 ай бұрын
This is great. NRS are trash and do not care about their community. Never ever should of put Kameos in the game. They have to Stop using gimmicks for every title. Keep it basic with cool moves and fun characters. People will be happy.
@ighoagino8774
2 ай бұрын
I'm from Nigeria and it's amazing how in mk11, from the start I said the game was trash and I was called foolish... A few months later this podcast started and all what I was saying, it's like tom was listening on me and saying my thoughts.....Reo even left.....now mk1 same issue and crimson has gone. I wonder why people use sentiments to judge games, I'm not an elite player but I've played long enough to know when a game is garbage so, nice one Tom, keep dropping the hard truths let them sit uneasy.. The most painful thing was when I heard dragon was working with them in the development I said "wow it would surely be a good game" now here we are, well I'll play SFV cos no money to buy TEKEN 8 yet.
@MillzSzn
2 ай бұрын
ayo u was right 11 is TRASH
@FAM0US-M0NSTERS-
2 ай бұрын
I've been a huge fan of Mortal Kombat since 1992. I have the dragon logo tattooed on my arm. I love Mortal Kombat. I will NOT buy the next game or any product from NRS ever again.
@MiaaDavis
2 ай бұрын
You know what else makes this game suck?? That point where your kameo is on cool down and you’re basically just doing sht waiting for it to comeback..That’s what kills this game the most to me.I hate that sht bro kameos was a terrible idea and the combos you have available without the kameos are basic and boring asl.
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
Inj3 was reskinned as MK1 and pushed out even earlier because Suicide Squad got pushed back on release.
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
I haven't traveled to not 1 major event for MK/Inj, and I've been involved since MK9/Inj gau. If I can't play the pro tour from home and gain points for the playoffs, I'm not going out my way for these small pot prizes. Now, if MK/Inj had pot prizes of 50k or more, I'd be willing to travel and if the lro tour was worth a million plus, I would go to every single major for any amount of possible points. Until then, Im being smart with my money, time, and sanity.
@SuikodenPlayer
2 ай бұрын
Tom, i love *pause* when u make long videos appreciate ur hard work mane 😺
@kzakulenga5138
2 ай бұрын
Instead of Peacemaker Conan The Barbarian and T 1000 Why couldn't we get Valtik (new character mentioned by Quan Chi intro dialogues) Kotal-since he was mentioned in the story and according to sindel competed in the tournament off screen Delia - Goddess of Edenia who can see into the future and originally predicted Armageddon....and wasn't utilized at all since the reboot..... Kai- the flame using Capeoira fighter who trained directly under Liu Kang and was forgotten about in MK Deadly Alliance Taven and Daegon - most powerful and important characters One is the leader and founder of The Red Dragon clan/ the other literally defeated most of the big dogs in MK history. Mortal Shinnok in Liu Kang new era would've been amazing But no let's get John cena because he's popular Lets get Conan and T 1000 just cause. Meanwhile Tekken 8 and Street Fighter 6 doesnt have a SINGLE Guest fighter and is KILLING Mortal Kombat 1. Ed Boon Kameos was not a very good idea you should've just made it tag team with the flow of MKX. Interactables and all
@s13gaming72
2 ай бұрын
The fact you guys took a while to remember Omni-man was in the game really shows how little impact the dlc has had.
@earlstevens4099
2 ай бұрын
53:20 thank you bro I complained about the thin health bars at launch and someone said I need to play on a bigger TV lol like dude I'm playing on a 65 inch it takes me a moment of concentration to figure out who has the life lead compared to other fighters.
@Andy-dl5dx
2 ай бұрын
The duo at it again ayeeee love this series you guys got
@Kingtatted1923
2 ай бұрын
It’s laughable to say the least after you play tekken when you hear KZitemrs talking about player expression on mk. I mean what are they talking about? If you wanna play at the top level there is only one way. Combos only have max 2 routes, it’s sad
@cdash4967
2 ай бұрын
I doubt this game gonna get another Kombat pass they don’t listen to anyone they don’t communicate they don’t care I hope others can see that and drop this game to teach NRS a lesson
@ygft72
2 ай бұрын
The music still cuts out..happened to me twice yesterday
@youngtucan5314
2 ай бұрын
I said it in mk11 the need to overhaul the whole development studio 🤷🏽♂️
@alexzangrilli8311
2 ай бұрын
Warner brothers also didn’t call Ed boon and say tell the whole player base nothing for months and abruptly end mk11 lifecycle
@finnt4937
2 ай бұрын
Tom said it multiple times basically. If you say „its not worth the money“ when it concerns playing a fighting game, if you even ask that question, that is everything i need to know. The gsme is dogshit. I have never ever heard in any other fg i follow „its not worth the money.“ people do it for the love for the game, they do not even ask about money. Its obviously, this franchise was held relevant in the competitive scene, because wb can allow themselves to put some money on it. Otherwise no one would pkay it seriously, like tom explained,
@calvinuchiha5
2 ай бұрын
Great pod you guys hopefully this game and the general direction of these games since mk11 just die out and we circle back to what was actually FUN and highly competitive
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
WBD has driven MK, the Suicide Squad, and Hogwarts into the ground.
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
Including many movies that are canceled after completing because of tax write-offs. Literally, every move has been a money move and not for the interest of their fanbases.
@kokujinblack77
2 ай бұрын
Suggestion to help fix cameos give us a tool that can help us gain or reduce cooldown on cameoes.
@DaPerfecto57
2 ай бұрын
If the next MK isn’t a simple 1v1 fighting game, I think I won’t be coming back.
@adamvalenti3521
2 ай бұрын
Like how you address the poke situation. It’s like poke has become a combo starter
@KedzieKrayzie
2 ай бұрын
I look forward to this collab more than MK1 updates honestly, great content
@user-oq7gl6vi3e
2 ай бұрын
I wasn't expecting Sweet baby Inc to be mentioned
@skinnyboiiiijose
2 ай бұрын
12:31 nah fr tho, my biggest disappointment with the game at launch was scorpions gameplay, shit was such a downgrade from mk11 and mk11 scorp wasnt even that great , just wish there was justice for the ninjas
@MRMORTONIII
2 ай бұрын
Thank you guys I love this type of content. It’s on us as gamers it’s to put pressure on these companies to deliver better products! The problem with Mortal Kombat is the NAME is bigger than the game people who don’t play fighting games or game at all when they DO see a fighting game at least here in America their first thought is this is Mortal Kombat because of the gore, movies & articles from non gamers boycotting the game in its earlier days. Same thing with GTA the bad publicity only grows it’s popularity!! Games like MK, MADDEN, 2K and CALL OF DUTY have all become shells of themselves because of casuals and the profitability of micro transactions!! We the true gamers must speak up to preserve our hobby or it all will become AA micro transaction gamepass filler bs games!! Keep up the great work !! KEEP YOUR FOOT ON THEIR RESPECTIVE NECKS !!!
@TooSweaty7
2 ай бұрын
@RealMKTomBrady , whats insane is as a first time sub player, I tried to avoid playing the cameos that every sub played (sareena and kung) and I realized this poke throw gameplay was the only way is able to play. I literally have gameplay on my channel of me having to enforce a poke throw game because sub zero has nothing else, and that's what they reduced everyone else to be now. I guess you could say I was training for this day but I uninstalled the game months ago. This game has the depth of a puddle
@fieldchicktv
2 ай бұрын
what the hell will be the warrior shrine? some kind of online hub like a mix of crypt and social things with cool skins to unlock and secrets to discovery, we can only dream
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
Omni-man was my most anticipated guest and peacemaker was someone I didn't care about. Fortunately for me, Peacemaker is actually fun. I still play Omni-man, too, so these 2 characters are great imo.
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
MKX was the game they should have built a foundation on for legacy. Gameplay wise, that is. They dropped the ball with that.
@Akela_akilla
2 ай бұрын
Some people might say Tom or Mike are too pessimistic about this game but they’re doing more for the community more than anyone else. We don’t need people glazing a studio for not even doing the bare minimum (bad communication, clear censorship of what’s going on, server issues, cross play issues, balancing, invasions, straw man arguments I.E the FT2 change, etc). The only praise these people have left to give is “Oh ThEyRe WoRkInG oN tHiS ThE gAmE wIlL bE gReAt JuSt WaTcH!” Like bro, I paid 70 dollars for a game that was somehow BETTER AT LAUNCH THAN IT IS EVEN NOW. Like how? How am I/the community supposed to go out of there way to play/support a game that does everything in its power to make the game worse?
@majinflaco8353
2 ай бұрын
Even if Tom Brady himself tried to fix the game, it wouldn't be fixed. This game is designed to be broken because of the kameos. They might as well break them game f#$k it
@Dieselduster678
2 ай бұрын
These two guys should take over the franchise for real. Guys like this who acknowledge the game and the people’s desires for a good fighter game is what builds a good game. Ed boon and his team have become dry and greedy.
@Cali-chef
2 ай бұрын
Strange buffs/nerfs. I'm having fun with Peacemaker/Motaro. Thanks for the content.
@13TxAxK60
2 ай бұрын
Kameos are killing the game in my opinion, I'm just a casual who likes to do long combos so i just use the Scorpion kameo 95% of the time for the fireballs to keep my opponent in the air. Since there's no run mechanic the fireballs give me enough time to dash up for a follow up.
@angelstyle9677
2 ай бұрын
Kameos aren't the issue. The fighting system is the issue. The majority of the kast is too simplistic and relies on kameos to get extended damage. But you have characters like Kenshi, Ashrah, Johhny, and Peacemaker who can get long and high damaging combos without kameos.
@13TxAxK60
2 ай бұрын
@angelstyle9677 yeah, the main roster characters are built to depend on the kameos with the exception of a few who can play the game without needing them. So the characters are watered down because of the kameos which is why I said the kameos are killing the game. I wouldn't put Kenshi on that list because without Sento he's not that great and Sento is basically a personal kameo for Kenshi.
@khorne133
2 ай бұрын
Khameleon was nerfed in the patch before this. The last patch nerfed her damage scaling on glaive, roll and fan lift as well as not allowing her and milleena ball roll to be used in the same combo if I understand the wording. So sadly yes. All the top tier kameos did get nerfed. 3/4/2024 was the date.
@Animedumptruck
2 ай бұрын
Homelander in Injustice 3 would've been sick
@deez3913
2 ай бұрын
They will never fix this cuz it's set up to be unbalanced. If they had any talent left it's possible but they don't. They could stop the cameos from resetting the combo stacks and lowering breaker costs/defensive costs. You bring up a good point, they are probably nerfing kameos so when they put janet on "Stephanie" will be the goat.
@GramdalfFGC
2 ай бұрын
I saw a great tweet today with someone responding to a complaint about using Kameos to make unsafe moves safe. And the response was along the lines of “this is how assist based fighters have always worked. This struck a chord with me because I think it reveals a fatal flaw in the system: This is an assist based game, like a marvel vs and most MK fans weren’t expecting it, I’m not saying it’s a good one. I just think the core system is radically different to any other MK and that’s very very jarring
@JW20084
2 ай бұрын
Javier was nerfed when Stryker was nerfed .
@jackkawf4449
2 ай бұрын
Ideally certain characters don't fit within the lore of MK, or all together in a fighting tournament. I'm a HUGE Friday the 13th fan, but Jason gets taken down (albeit temporarily, since he can't die), by teens, he's even went against a girl with minor telekinesis powers and he hardly held his own. Also seeing him jump and all that makes me gag, and I even liked the 2009 remake. Leather face is just a lesser Jason, except human, he doesn't fit either. Freddy fits (not even as much of a fan as I am for Jason), he rules a whole realm and has powers within the dream realm, and most everyone sleeps. Joker, if Batman killed he'd have been dead long ago (let alone martial artists that have super abilities), his antics only work on people with moral and Batman, MK has little morals when it comes to killing, Joker would be a joke. Spawn, a former skilled mercenary sent to Hell and given powers, to which he uses to rebel against Hell and use for his own reasons, he fits perfectly within MK type lore. Predator, an alien race that seeks out skilled warriors to better enhance their own species hunting skills, perfect fit, he was also the partially the inspiration for the cyborgs. Alien, doesn't fit, it's a wild beast that would have been killed off before it could do too much. Kratos, a mortal turned God because he fought Gods and Titans, completely fits. Terminator, as much as I don't like the inclusion, he fits with cyborgs and robots within MK, he was also kanos inspiration. Robocop, same reason as Terminator, also the 2nd half of the inspiration for the cyborgs. Rambo, meh, I don't like it, but I guess you could force him into special forces..
@DevilRising
2 ай бұрын
Why does MK1 have KOF95 glitches? Lmao. Just get your money back
@sweezthegreat
2 ай бұрын
It's so hard to win with Johnny now he have no aerials
@sapphoai821
2 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@youngdresbaby
2 ай бұрын
WB wanting to push live service games has nothing to do with MK. That's Arkham specific.
@justdrew312
2 ай бұрын
Shao is like Hades from the first injustice
@ricarldoharris6037
2 ай бұрын
I'm burnt out from hearing Tom " Jim Cornette Brady..
@YMan-zo5kg
2 ай бұрын
The more and more criticism and concern I see of this game, the more and more I realize the issue is simply the kameo system. It is ultimately unsatisfying to spam kameos and to wait for your kameo to come off cooldown before you do something. Most main roster crutch kameo moves for any playstyle. Some may say the kameo system was a good idea that just needs tweaking, but I think years down the line we will look back on this mk game as one of the worst in nrs history.
@rydz656
2 ай бұрын
Sweet baby had a hand in this game. Now it makes sense.
@Luckdraw88
2 ай бұрын
Really hate this brain rot you all have. They don't do what you all seem to think they do
@kanasas2
2 ай бұрын
Fr or you just messing around 😂😂
@neoconnor4395
2 ай бұрын
Friendly reminder: these are two grown men that spent extra money on collector's edition videogame, and they feel like they got burned. And they did! I spent $70 for standard edition, and I love it! 😂
@DQuan810
2 ай бұрын
The company doesn’t support the as Scene then at every Lan Event when ever the Strat comes out and everyone is using the same Kameo. NRS’s only personal thought is to just nerf that Strat. Let that sit in CREATIVE Routes and creativity is gone😂😂
@skelefool7781
2 ай бұрын
I feel like cameos are half-assed if you gonna make a tag game make full characters with assists. It's like you want mvc2 and your Mom says we have MVC at home .
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