After this the "Q" on the BIOS switch went from "quiet" to "quite insane"
@Pimpimmers
Жыл бұрын
You have a Asus Maximus 790 Extreme. If you download the manual and go to page 13 you see that M.2_1 (CPU attached) run on x4 and the PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8. So If you have your SSD in the slot above your GPU it will run 8x. If you use the M.2 slots under your GPU it will run x16. so use slot M.2_2 supports PCIE 4.0 x4 (CPU attached) Or M.2_3 supports PCIE 4.0 x4 (Intel Z790 Chipset) Or use the DIMM.2 slot
@xite45
Жыл бұрын
he test it on another rig and still got 8x.....
@stephenhood2948
Жыл бұрын
@@xite45 Its possible he has the SSD in the wrong slot on that MOBO as well, many PCIe Gen 5 capable boards split bandwidth with certain M.2 slots. Im not sure what slot he is using, and I would assume he knows this, he is clearly very intelligent, but it is still possible.
@rollnrollnroll
Жыл бұрын
I have Asus Maximus Z690 Extreme and nothing in my M2_1. My BIOS is up to date. My vbios (4090 Suprim X) is up-to-date. I'm still getting X8. I've tried 4090 FE and a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC before this (as well as my evga 3090) which all ran at X16.
@sheesh7872
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Roman for the effort you spend on these videos! Youre doing a very important job for the community
@albertwesker4266
Жыл бұрын
Yes, many of gamers will do that to their setups 🤪✌️
@halrichard1969
Жыл бұрын
@@albertwesker4266
@112Famine
Жыл бұрын
All he did was flash his bios ... yeah very important job for the community
@sheesh7872
Жыл бұрын
@@112Famine its about trying whats possible
@J_KM654
Жыл бұрын
@@112Famine Well someone’s grumpy… If you don’t like the video then don’t watch it, nobody’s forcing you 🤷✌️
@theRigsby321
Жыл бұрын
Hi, It's a problem with MSI Afterburner which also locks out zero fan mode. The solution is to use NVIDIA Cleanup Tool / reinstall driver and all functionality is restored. Worked for 3090 Ti FE. Hope this research helps the community too.😀
@rx10
Жыл бұрын
You are what I thought Linus would become in time. Thank you for the passion behind your work, keep loving what you do man, the rest comes with time
@MeakerSE
Жыл бұрын
Really? Linus never really seemed like the sort to go into extreme over locking properly.
@rx10
Жыл бұрын
@@MeakerSE He was a worker for NCIX, what he could do was very limited but he was extremely curious and at the time one of the few trying new things, mods , ln2. Don't get me wrong , he is doing amazing with LMG and I still watch his videos . But you can tell he lost that passion for PC hardware that nerds like der8auer still have. Can't blame the dude when he's a millionaire and focusing on bigger things tho
@GSP-76
Жыл бұрын
@@rx10 what "bigger" things is he focusing on? lol, I always saw him as an ackward imbecile...but he did get a bit better. His view of technology overall is about as stupid as they come. Especially when he doesn't understand something or how a certain product is used in a real professional environment. Something neither he or any of the people he hired have ever worked in.
@Redman147
Жыл бұрын
@@rx10 Not sure you watch his videos if this is what you honestly think. If he was concerned about money, he would've retired years ago. I've followed Linus since he was at NCIX, and he's always had a broader interest in tech as a whole. PC hardware was a good place to start. If you really think he's lost passion, you should watch more of his videos. Yeah, he doesn't do unboxings anymore, but that's because you find out everything about the PC hardware and then some on the websites now, but if you like the ins and outs of just PC hardware then Gamers Nexus is probably a good place to be alongside our good friend Der8auer.
@rx10
Жыл бұрын
@@Redman147 uhhh... Sure kid
@B3L13V3R
Жыл бұрын
Man these new faster paced videos are so informative and useful. Great job!
@no_one_gaming8184
Жыл бұрын
The effort and the accomplishments made by this channel are incredible . Well done 😊
@112Famine
Жыл бұрын
effort and the accomplishments? Well done? All he did was flash his bios or am I missing something?
@Infiniti.151
Жыл бұрын
@@112Famine he did design and sell many delidding tools which are very helpful for modders
@liveroy
Жыл бұрын
The PCIE switching to lower rate is a BIOS bug in the Intel 6xx and 7xx series chipsets. At first it has happening to old hardware, like 7970 running only PCIE 1.0, then an updated BIOS was provided by most manufacturers, but the new hardware bugged out.
@cocosloan3748
Жыл бұрын
Точно
@jojolol7566
Жыл бұрын
He could also check every pcie lane pair with a multi meter and checking if there is any weird values. Diode mode with positive probe on ground helps a lot. I've had cards do 8x only due to contacts being slightly dirty as well.
@gshotboss835
Жыл бұрын
my friend i has the same issue , is there anyway to fix please and thank you
@puciohenzap891
Жыл бұрын
It's not bugged if it's ASUS Z790 Extreme and he has an M.2 drive in the M.2_1 slot - ASUS was being stupid by splitting the Gen5 lanes between the slots and the M.2_1 to make the M.2 and GPU run Gen5 but at the cost of the GPU being x8. You must run the M.2 SSD's in the M.2 PCH slots (2 and 3) to get X16 back on the GPU.
@gshotboss835
Жыл бұрын
@@puciohenzap891 but I have msi board
@ausfoodgarden
Жыл бұрын
Please, when you are allowed, try to boost a 7900XTX to use 450W and compare its performance to the stock 4090. Then of course see just how far you can take it. I really enjoy these bleeding-edge videos.
@BanksRacing11
Жыл бұрын
I repair graphics cards for a living and I see this all the time its most likely a damaged 250nf capacitor on one of the pcie lanes.. You can measure with a standard multimeter and compare the readings from neighboring PCIe capacitors... They are located next to the pcie slot connected to each pcie lane on the back of the card.. Good luck love the vids keep up the good work..
@BanksRacing11
Жыл бұрын
This would only be the case if it does it on both AMD and Intel boards..
@aymidin
Жыл бұрын
@der8auer , i know you probably know that, but disable all C-States and power saving stuff in the BIOS and for the PCIe, and force PCIe x16 GEN4, try with different PCIe x16 Gen4 on the motherboard if available, also check the Windows Power Settings, if you haven't touched this, it can have some PCI related settings to be left on power saving mode, even if it's on Balanced or Recommended setting. Also in Nvidia Control Panel, set it to be on Prefer Max Performance. You can use other than GPU-Z tools to check how much PCIe lanes it uses, also check only under load, sometimes even after the settings like I said above, it will show x8 unless you put load on it. Well, you can inject voltage on the GPU itself and check if they are really dead lanes or something else is the problem. It doesn't make sense to kill half of PCIe lanes, without even disassembling the card. I had a problem before with the PCIe lanes, but it was because I used too much of them for other peripheral devices, like too much M.2 NVMe SSDs and SATA Connections, 10Gb PCIe LAN Cards and etc.
@RENO_K
Жыл бұрын
Insane You always push the envelope further than anyone else
@112Famine
Жыл бұрын
All he did was flash a bios, not have the waterblock needed, & pet his cat. I've been installing hacked bios's & water cooling for 3 decades.
@RealEvangelizer
Жыл бұрын
edge of seat. I have the same mod block from EKWB and I was too scared to use it without VRM cooling. thanks for doing this.
@Psychx_
Жыл бұрын
Bad CPU mount? Linus had the PCIe issue happen on a LGA Threadripper and the problem was solved by reseating the CPU.
@puran1313
Жыл бұрын
This, my RX 570 running at x8 was fixed by reseating my R5 1600.
@GodKitty677
Жыл бұрын
x8 PCIe lanes could be one bios setting for the NVMe drive config. I got the same issue after a BIOS flash. An NVMe drive was sharing the slot bandwidth (no drive installed) but you know this can happen. Just saying. Might be possible to get full link speed.
@Hippida
Жыл бұрын
1kw 4090, dude, you're Mad :D
@NinjaTaco__
Жыл бұрын
Maybe its an wierd motherboard bug that causes the x8, maybe worth an bios flash just to test?
@TwitchFast
Жыл бұрын
Loving the cat getting some camera time, he(?)'s absolutely gorgeous.
@TheRealBrewMaster
Жыл бұрын
Yes! New Der8auer mod let's go!
@TheSlickmicks
Жыл бұрын
That thumbnail definetly grabbed me.
@uhliktube
Жыл бұрын
1:00 The last fan on right side of GPU looks scared of overclocking.
@creatorart
Жыл бұрын
This indication ftom gpuz is the card is on power saving mode, when you click render you should show x 16
@davidwhite2011
Жыл бұрын
More power Mr. Scott!
@1234567890CAB
Жыл бұрын
Try cleaning the contacts with alchohol and check the caps and resistors near the PCI contacts. Occasionally when I've had weird problems, like your x8 problem, that I couldn't find anything obvious, I first try cleaning the whole board with alchohol and then if that doesn't work I spray the board with some flux, because the alchohol will have cleaned the old flux off, and try reflowing the whole board in an oven. Occasionally one of those two will fix the problem.
@FilipMunk
Жыл бұрын
reflow in a oven is not the way of fixing it, as it can do more damage. the problem could be the bios bug that some of the new intel boards have, it sounds more like a motherboard problem
@1234567890CAB
Жыл бұрын
@@FilipMunk I specifically said reflow last because it is a last resort when you know there is a hardware problem but cannot find it. I did not say that it was the best primary go to fix.
@Miskatonic-University
Жыл бұрын
2:05 Same thing happened to me with a 3090 FE, was stuck at running at X4 3.0 PICe, tried everything, wasted a ton of time looking for solutions and drove me nuts, none worked...RMA'd back to Nvidia. Mobo was perfectly fine, worked X16 with any other card.
@MsTatakai
Жыл бұрын
Maybe is the drivers ? somehow?
@BlueSkyYGO
Жыл бұрын
With a BIOS mod or driver update?
@Miskatonic-University
Жыл бұрын
@@BlueSkyYGO Nope, just happened out of the blue.
@BlueSkyYGO
Жыл бұрын
@@Miskatonic-University even in other PC?
@Miskatonic-University
Жыл бұрын
@@BlueSkyYGO Nope, again, the RMA was accepted and got my money back.
@Behemoth33
Жыл бұрын
Love this videos, if I may give a personal opinion regarding the x8 issue, maybe just look at the following as I had a similar issue with my one card a while back. The basics like the MB bios settings was messed up once causing my x16 slot to operate as a x8 and something as simple as a nvme and/or sata device was somehow interfering with my display card also causing the x8 issue, what I did in the bios was to change it to x8 apply and reboot and then back to x16 apply and reboot and it was working again
@112Famine
Жыл бұрын
Your post here has more info that his video where he flashes a bios & pets his cat.
@rollnrollnroll
Жыл бұрын
You changed what to X8 before applying and rebooting only to change back X16?
@sheeren6188
Жыл бұрын
It's the resistor on the back side of the motherboard somewhere close to the solder blobs of the pins. I've seen this before and RMA fixed it.
@sheeren6188
Жыл бұрын
And it seems to happen only with some 4090 cards, while lets say 3080 4070 seem to be fine.
@Trylen
Жыл бұрын
ok, I have to know, are we getting a Der8auer Cat Tips channel in the future. You know we're really here for them right? 😁
@Sweenis80
Жыл бұрын
Bro you are insane, I love it
@st0nedpenguin
Жыл бұрын
Fun tip: If you hold shift and right click in a directory you can open a command line.
@Ghozer
Жыл бұрын
The two times I had the PCIe lanes randomly dropping, 1st was the CPU needed re-seating (and cooler was tightened too much) and 2nd time the PCIe socket and edge connector just needed cleaning :)
@pino_de_vogel
Жыл бұрын
Really hope you do a launch day video for the 7900XT like you did on the 4090. curious how much power there is to be saved.
@whatevah666
Жыл бұрын
I'm.. fairly certain that the nvdia bios(es) are encrypted, so i iguess someone cracked it in order to make a custom bios? O.o
@r.b.3478
Жыл бұрын
Bought an Asus motherboard one time and it also showed the PCIe x16 in x8 mode. Randomly fixed itself to be x16 at one point, then randomly reverted to x8. It wasn't related to having NVMe. I returned the board and bought a different one. New board worked correctly.
@macicoinc9363
Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite tech channel. I love how in-depth you get with specific topics and how you aren't afraid to damage some hardware to test something
@112Famine
Жыл бұрын
... this video was nothing more than "empty content", all he did was install a not good enough waterblock, & flash a bios, & pet his cat.
@iclimbeverything2990
Жыл бұрын
i think youre confusing "arent afraid" with "crazy man"
@MrPerforations
Жыл бұрын
if i remember right, i think i found that the pci-e slot can be active, as in it can change its settings as needed.
@MovieGasm
Жыл бұрын
So if you put 1,000 watt power target. What good does it do when they only supply cables that can handle 600max.
@ChristopherGoggans
Жыл бұрын
I'd strongly suspect that Roman (Der8auer) has either OEM or custom power cables able to carry higher current. The Nvidia adapter is only used if you're using the PCI-E power connectors. There's a new ATX spec for the PSUs that defines this new 12pin high power input for the GPU. A number PSU manufacturers either have an included a dedicated cable, or have made one available as an aftermarket part if your PSU was made before this was a standard. Also, actually manufacturing your own power cables isn't terribly difficult, just needing some wire, the plastic housing, a hand crimping tool, and the correct size pins for the housing. Most people will then sleeve the individual cables either with a plastic sleeving material, or use paracord to cover the cable and make it look nicer, and match their build color scheme.
@B0BBYGAMER
Жыл бұрын
Finally letting them eat awesome 4090TI probably hit 1000w o man so crazy
@andyvanderbeken3729
Жыл бұрын
Truly amazed once more. Thanks for raising the bar above everyone else !
@112Famine
Жыл бұрын
Yup, you're a bot no question about it. Or you're really 'truly amazed' by seeing someone flash a bios. "raising the bar above everyone else" ... again all he did was flash a bios, or am I missing something?! Yeah no one else flash a bios
@andyvanderbeken3729
Жыл бұрын
@@112Famine Nope, you didn't miss anything, especially not all the effort in discovering and then lifting bottleneck after bottleneck in order to truly explore the maximum potential of this card in ways no one else has even attempted. I guess I must be a bot =P
@nytrydr_z
Жыл бұрын
I've watched both versions of this video, and I keep thinking the light reflecting off your radiator fans is smoke.....lol
@Kingvoakahustla
Жыл бұрын
You're a king and asus ROG PC components are as well. Goat
@thegamehud8214
Жыл бұрын
The strix looks like a boom box on that desk. Lmao
@halrichard1969
Жыл бұрын
Dayam you beat me! Good Job.
@andersonfrans
Жыл бұрын
I am, so amazed, on something small such as CPU/GPU die block that producing more than 500W of heat, can survive on sudden jump of delta temp without crack / broken. Even the VRM MOSFET, what the hell they can provide very small and very accurate voltage, with massive current flow through it.
@Jeroensgambling
Жыл бұрын
Thats why the VRM comes with at least 20 phases..... It's such balanced and often over-engineerd. Different portions of the GPU use that voltage, so you have multiple points of voltage input and not just one.
@renbry
Жыл бұрын
Doing and OctaneBench run (Octane Render 2021) is one way to test card speed without the PCI-E bandwidth restriction as it loads the card up for local-compute only. I've had identical scores on a 3090 inside a PC vs outside via Thunderbolt. Maybe that's one idea for your testing ?
@DanielCardei
Жыл бұрын
Friend: Hey what are you doing? Gaming? ME: NO! Welding with RTX 4090
@ChrisGR93_TxS
26 күн бұрын
of course power increases drastically with tiny voltage increase. Card is pushing over 600amps there
@JonLupen
Жыл бұрын
That WireView module is slick! Would you happen to have a link for where to buy it?
@amer2142
Жыл бұрын
1000w of power that's insane
@someusername121
Жыл бұрын
I found that shunt modding didn't really help much. Seems like the BIOS has some sort of Aux power limit thing going on that isn't determined by a big shunt resistor. It was the same on the 3090 where you couldn't get a shunted 3090 above about 650W, and needed the XOC bios to hit 1000W.
@Dragonsrage012
Жыл бұрын
2:06 This made me load up GPUz to see what my 2080 was doing. Never even thought to check it. LOL
@112Famine
Жыл бұрын
The first 20 posts all are in awe of this video ... need to turn down the setting on the praise bots if you're going to create content to just create content.
@BansheeBunny
Жыл бұрын
I always wondered what a 1600W power supply was good for. My guess is you forced PCIe 4.0 on you 5.0 slot and it was still a no go. You may have to wait for a motherboard BIOS update or try a different one.
@Boofster
Жыл бұрын
How are those power cables not melting past 600 watts (and the plug on the card?) when we're hearing left and right people are having issues even at stock? :o
@lucasjones6295
Жыл бұрын
Get the galax hof so you don't have to worry about going out of spec power wise
@computersales
Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity what is the maximum theoretical power the PCB could handle? Even if you could pump unlimited power through the PCB would the die itself have a limit?
@robertjung8929
Жыл бұрын
there is no limit as such, the limiting factor is the temperature raise of copper tracks.. so if you don't mind a toasty PCB then the "limit" is pretty high :)
@computersales
Жыл бұрын
@@robertjung8929 So LN2 the whole thing and 4090W 4090.
@alexdenton5228
Жыл бұрын
derauer please this is crazy stop while you can!!! WE NEED MORE POWER.
@HiltonHeslop
Жыл бұрын
Legend right here , Good video Roman, From the Mad Scientist
@Goku-dh5fx
Жыл бұрын
Maybe, ur bios change sattings for issue with disc nvm m.2 to pci lains then u have always 8x
@passionne836
Жыл бұрын
To install the waterblock, you used the G80 adapter ? Indeed, I intend to watercool my future RTX 4090 with a universal waterblock.
@RoerDaniel
Жыл бұрын
For most people this is just a KZitem channel for me is mede8er is something is possible this guy gonna find it
@selfscience
Жыл бұрын
This is the beginning of a new era on GPU O.C.
@JohnOLooney
Жыл бұрын
can i ask - i notice there is already a second BIOS released for this card but no changlog to tell you what is being changed - what are the changes with the bios revision ?
@tony_b
Жыл бұрын
What's that wireview device you have attached to the pcie power cable displaying wattage? that's neat. I kinda want one.
@OfficialEthern1ty
Жыл бұрын
Are you sure the pcie is not sharing bandwidth with other components (e.g. nvme) this could be the case.
@AbbasDalal1000
Жыл бұрын
Roman getting early access to extra-Rtx 5090
@sagerdood
Жыл бұрын
Crazy. My founders pins 3085 on the core under most loads. 4k 8k 3190. Mem cranked. On air. Doesnt break 64c
@stevencharette7918
Жыл бұрын
i dont see how that is even possible knowing that the PSU rails into the GPU are rated for 600w wouldnt that smoke and burn the cables 1000watts?
@Jootn2kx
Жыл бұрын
Had simelar issue with my 3080TI which suddenly went from X16 to X8. I noticed by accident couple of months after that there was a burned pin in the GPU socket connector. I think this was the issue that caused it to run @X8 maximum suddenly.
@eamh2002
Жыл бұрын
I accidentally left on aimlab in the background and had my case fans turned off, came back to my pc 30mins later and saw 111c on the hotspot on HWmonitor *Laughs in 5700XT*
@CSchampCS
Жыл бұрын
Where can we get this XOC bios? I plan to watercool my strix with active backplate. Temps should not be an issue as I live in cold climate
@GasKetse
Жыл бұрын
Hey @der8auer. Any explanation about that nice Wireview adaptor that you used :) Coming out soon? Would be sweet over the cablemod one.
@Zordonzig
Жыл бұрын
2:08 anyone else concerned by that imbalanced fan on the the strix cooler? LUL
@mattwitherow6520
Жыл бұрын
Do you have a NVMe drive in the top NVMe spot? On the Asus Extreme boards, if you occupy the top NVMe slot, the top PCIe slot will run at X8 instead of X16.
@danboy98
Жыл бұрын
What was your job before overclocking
@richs.820
Жыл бұрын
What unit are you using to connect to the water block? Ive been looking for this and cant seem to find it online. I was hoping to find a unit i can connect to any water block of my choice.
@jagddahg
Жыл бұрын
The motherboard runs at x8 mode because they lock it when there is an SSD installed in the slot closest to the CPU or m.2_1. I was also bugged by this and the solution is to move the SSD which is impossible for me because my board has 3 slots and I have 3 m.2 ssds.
@sunnykfc
Жыл бұрын
Is it no need any hardware mod?
@stuntvist
Жыл бұрын
At that power limit I'd be looking into active cooling for the Nvidia stock adapter - knowing how Nvidia likes to save money on stuff like that I'd just be beyond paranoid of welding the plastic connector ends together after a few benchmarks lol.
@wolf1438
Жыл бұрын
Unlimited power!
@young-j731
Жыл бұрын
Will you do a review of the GALAX 4090 HOF ? It realy intesret me with that dual 16pin
@geennaam1201
Жыл бұрын
Clocks are a bit disappointing to me Wasn't 3ghz also possible on air and "normal" power draws Would actually wonder how my pc would handle a card like this Stresstest on my 2 1080ti's is alraidy a challenge
@cks5148
Жыл бұрын
Why the RTX 4090 running at PCIE 4.0 8X ? I guess motherboard setting problem , maybe X8 lane shared by other device (M.2 or other devices).
@pav1u
Жыл бұрын
why do you use nvflash32 and not 64? I never could get those nvflash commands right...
@Smalls989
Жыл бұрын
You checked the bios to make sure it's.not being forced to that speed? Weird stuff
@davidfarmer
Жыл бұрын
would love to see you bios flash a card like the pny 4090 to see how it handles an increased tdp. its locked at 450w stock
@Tpbmods
Жыл бұрын
I've had my 3080 ftw3 stuck at X8 since I built my system, I still can't figure out what the hell happened. My nvme's are where they should be, I'm using a 4.0 riser cable, just frustrated
@id104335409
Жыл бұрын
Now we're cooking!
@indieman6868
Жыл бұрын
How can I edit the bios parameters myself for flashing the own bios? (don't want use OEM Apps like Afterburner...). I have export my bios with GPUZ.
@KlaweKlapki
Жыл бұрын
We need to go more watts deeper xD
@thelasthallow
Жыл бұрын
the only thing i dont get is, the voltage is increased quite a bit, and the power draw (wattage) has increased significantly, but there was only a gain of like 40MHz?
@Jeroensgambling
Жыл бұрын
That is because chips have their most ideal frequency / voltage curve. Once you go beyond that you get diminishing returns. It means it consumes more power and brings less "Mhz" to the table. Perfect example is a 2700X. If you manually OC it you need quite a voltage jump to go from 4.1Ghz to 4.2GHz. The power only increases significant and you get 100Mhz max out of it. Your technically better off to leave it at 4.0Ghz all core at quite a lower voltage.
@gearldjones853
Жыл бұрын
My laptop GPU will change how many lanes its using based on the load put on it.
@longnamedude3947
Жыл бұрын
I guess if you can justify using it as a room heater then this is a worthwhile thing to do.
@darrenberryman2434
Жыл бұрын
I had an issue with my 3090 that got stuck on 8x pci after reflashing my motherboard the 16x cameback.
@chswin
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@Edward135i
Жыл бұрын
Today der8auer teaches us how to arc weld with a 12pin PCIe power connector.
@Jeroensgambling
Жыл бұрын
The testing within Nvidia already assures they get the "best" out of every chip. OC'ing these days brings diminishing returns to be honest. Few percentage here and there but the good days are over.
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