For those who ask how such a thin traction cable can be used, the answer is simple: 4:1 traction. Each rope wraps two times around pulleys on the counterweight and under the car, spreading the tension equally among the four stretches of rope, allowing for a significant reduction in rope cross-sectional area and, hence, rope diameter. With thinner ropes, a smaller bending radius is possible without sacrificing rope durability, thus making viable the use of smaller sheaves. More wraps also have the effect of increasing the "reduction ratio" and, combined with the reduced sheave diameter, allows for a motor with a much lower torque (consequently, much smaller) to be used.
@elevator_satellite
3 жыл бұрын
Doesm't MaxiSpace (the lift in the video) use 6:1 roping?
@mattmoreira210
3 жыл бұрын
@@elevator_satellite hmmm... does it?
@elevator_satellite
3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmoreira210 Yes, in the official MaxiSpace brochure there are options for 6:1 or 10:1 roping. Can't imagine how long it would take for a rope replacement!
@nascar0509
5 жыл бұрын
Damn, thought it was an LG Inverter washing machine motor for a moment there.... 🤔🙄😁
@danielkl76
5 жыл бұрын
Somehow beautiful...these flat, gearless systems.
@dennislischer8248
4 жыл бұрын
Ich war jetzt auch schockiert über diesen kleinen Fuzzi Motor.....
@danielkl76
4 жыл бұрын
@@dennislischer8248 Aber der Motor erzeugt durch sinen relativ großen Durchmesser (in Bezug auf die Treibscheibe) ein enormes Drehmoment.
@tiqo8549
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a brake disc from a truck 😅
@liftsadventurevideosinfran7966
7 жыл бұрын
It's a Kone Powerdisc GMX2 , very rare!
@qeelevators2960
4 жыл бұрын
The power disc is also very rare
@danielkl76
4 жыл бұрын
Yes it seems that it is really rare. I only know this one !
@3ffrige
2 ай бұрын
THATS THE MOTOR? The motor lifting those elevator cars? Like, that’s it? Wow!
@namhyeongkim_cos
3 жыл бұрын
The color scheme of the motor's design somehow derived from classic KONE machines (before EcoDiscs)
@ethanscootz123
2 жыл бұрын
That motor sounds nice
@qeelevators2960
4 жыл бұрын
I. Flipping. Love. This. Motor. Room!
@michaelwalterselevatorsrob5009
3 жыл бұрын
With how small these things are, they could’ve been put in the shaft in a similar fashion the Synergy is
@danielkl76
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, like it's done in the KONE-Monospace's. But this one was a modernization job which reused the existing machine room (a big luxury machine room :) )
@TimothyMTran706
5 жыл бұрын
For Mrl Traction Kobe Modern, these will be different... like Otis Gen 2, Schindler 400A 3300 and, Thyssenkrupp Synergy
@toniturnwald9890
7 жыл бұрын
nett, jedoch gefallen mir die Akten Aufzüge besser, da man mehr von der Technik sieht und sich mehr bewegt, außerdem lassen sich alte Anlagen nicht hacken ect. Somit bieten diese aus meiner Sicht mehr Sicherheit. Aber egal wie, vielen Dank für das nette Video. LG. Toni
@danielkl76
7 жыл бұрын
Die alten Aufzüge gefallen mir auch besser. Aber diese schlanke Maschine und die dünnen Seile musste ich einfach filmen :) LG, Daniel
@woifi1802
6 жыл бұрын
Alte Anlagen kann man in tödliche Maschinen verwandeln, wenn man nur ein Relais drückt und hält. Neue zu hacken ist da weitaus schwieriger, da die dann sofort herunterfahren und somit stillgelegt sind und nicht angreifbar, und sie haben aich kein Internet.
@TheKurtsPlaceChannel
3 жыл бұрын
Very cool video. Thanks for posting and have a nice day too.
@gewitterstationirgendwo4008
2 жыл бұрын
Die Mini Version von kone ecodisc
@shreerammandalnews6221
5 жыл бұрын
Very nice
@shreerammandalnews6221
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks boss
@user-xxxxxn
4 жыл бұрын
well that's a very small engine (small building? )
@elevationtechvlog3474
2 жыл бұрын
Very great i want to install like this elevator...inshala..
@TheLiftDragon
3 жыл бұрын
Das ist auch eine echt interessante Anlage, danke fürs reinstellen! Sieht mir nach 4:1 Aufhängung aus...?
@danielkl76
3 жыл бұрын
Ich bin mir nicht mehr sicher aber ich glaube es war eine 2:1 Anlage. Man darf sich nicht von der schnellaufenden Maschine täuschen lassen. Die eigentliche Treibscheibe hat ja eher einen kleinen Durchmesser. Dadurch ist die Fahrgeschwindigkeit des Fahrkorbs im Schacht garnicht mal so schnell wie es aussieht (auch bei 2:1 nicht).
@TheLiftDragon
3 жыл бұрын
@@danielkl76 Stimmt, das täuscht natürlich. Am GB sieht man aber die richtige Geschwindigkeit. Die Vermutung auf 4:1 kommt von den ganzen Umlenkscheiben, die da um den Motor rum stehen. Sieht sehr danach aus, als kämen die Seile aus dem Schacht rauf und gingen dann wieder runter, oder ich sehe das falsch.
@LAUCHGeorge
3 жыл бұрын
Was ist das für ein Modell von Motor?
@Elevators_around_Europa
2 ай бұрын
Das muss wahrscheinlich ein GMX2 PowerDisc sein
@What_The_Fuck_Did_I_Just_Watch
3 жыл бұрын
Look how tiny it is! You see it's designed to be an MRL
@antonv.
7 жыл бұрын
Cool, nice!
@soundtrip2353
4 жыл бұрын
beautiful
@sputnik8924
4 жыл бұрын
Die laufen doch sicher 2 m/s und haben mindestens 15 Halt. ?! Saubere Arbeit keinen MRL einzubauen sondern umzubauen und den MR weiter zu nutzen, macht es allen einfacher. :)
@danielkl76
4 жыл бұрын
Sieht zwar auf den ersten Blick schnell aus, aber der eigentliche Treibscheibendurchmesser ist ja nicht so gross. Ich denke die haben 1 m/s oder maximal 1,6 m/s.
@LAUCHGeorge
3 жыл бұрын
Ist das ein gmx2?
@seanjuth
2 жыл бұрын
The frame of the machine looks almost identical to otis's Gen 2. Clearly a modernization
@Lifts_in_Austria
Жыл бұрын
Warum wurde hier eigendlich nicht der Kone MX18 Motor mit 1:2 aufhängung genommen? Denn Platz wäre ja genug da im Maschinenraum
@user-oe3sd4jk6f
Ай бұрын
that weirdest ecodisc in the world
@wdowa94
2 жыл бұрын
Bearing seems to be pretty loud (clicking noise)
@Elevators_around_Europa
2 ай бұрын
PowerDisc?
@sharphu2005
3 жыл бұрын
Where is this machine located in de?
@salehalshami1784
4 жыл бұрын
Good
@Avidiy
2 жыл бұрын
Small
@mdjaved5803
3 жыл бұрын
Waaw wheel is connect to disc brake
@Tigrou7777
3 жыл бұрын
How can cables be so thin ?
@mattmoreira210
3 жыл бұрын
4:1 traction. The more wraps the rope makes, the lower the tension seen by each stretch of rope, thus the smaller the cross-sectional area (and, consequently, diameter) that is required.
@TheTheo58
3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmoreira210 I am familiar with the 2:1 roping with MRL and overhead if I am reading this correctly this elevator has compensating sheaves on the underside and top of the elevator cab and a single sheave in the top of the counterweight and two on the sides at the bottom? addition to the compensating sheave top of the hoist way? Which I believe I noticed towards the back of the driven sheave. Quite an amazing traction machine, with smaller hoist ropes spreading out the load.
@mattmoreira210
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTheo58 exactly! But instead of having a single set of pulleys under the car and a pulley on top of the counterweight, there are two sets of pulleys under the car and two pulleys on top of the counterweight.
@TheTheo58
3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmoreira210 Thank you for the clarification, least I was close to the sheaves being on the underside of the cab. The 1st type of 2:1 roping I saw was a fright elevator from the 1930's, overhead traction comp. sheaves top of cab and counterweight. More recent was studying the 2:1 on MRL installations
@dirkmaronn
4 жыл бұрын
Wie jetzt, das ist die komplette Maschine? Sieht ja eher aus, wie ein Modell. Das treibt doch höchstens einen Speisen-Aufzug an, oder?
@markusarndt1270
4 жыл бұрын
Nein einen richtigen Aufzug
@markusarndt1270
4 жыл бұрын
Google Mal KONE EcoDisc
@danielkl76
4 жыл бұрын
Also wie ich einigen anderen schon schrieb. Den Motor sollte man nicht unterschätzen. Er hat einen relativ großen Außendurchmesser (in Bezug auf die Treibscheibe) und erzeugt dadurch ein hohes Drehmoment.
@Avidiy
2 жыл бұрын
Ecodisc
@akunsaya6538
5 жыл бұрын
Very small machine
@danielkl76
5 жыл бұрын
I like it... very small and neat Design.
@qeelevators2960
4 жыл бұрын
danielkl76 - it’s because it’s meant to be a MRL but the higher speed models can’t be MRL for unknown reasons.
@UQRXD
2 ай бұрын
Mind you this is 7 year old stuff.
@globalbrandsshoes
Жыл бұрын
i explodre a fujitec motor room
@jaenapartment5165
4 жыл бұрын
May I know where (country, region) is install this machine room?
@bigwie52
4 жыл бұрын
something gives me the feeling it could be germany Edit: 0:52 yes the writing of the control box is german
@danielkl76
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is in Bingen am Rhein (Germany).
@jaenapartment5165
4 жыл бұрын
@@danielkl76 and I believe you have pass the inspection... I say so bcs of the 2 seat and 1 table with a laptop ... here in Spain (no corruption country of course) having the 2 seat is allready a fail ... I may even consider to record a movie and upload it so I will be sent to court (as guilty ofc and not as victim) to keep these 2 seat, 1 real rack for the emergency line and beeing a stupid foreign engineer compare with the local high class Spanish stamps and certificates
@danielkl76
4 жыл бұрын
@@jaenapartment5165 I think these two seat are used in the past for the technicians (studying the schematics of the old installation) :)
@jaenapartment5165
4 жыл бұрын
@@danielkl76 the worst is when the seats are wooden ones and can burn ... omg ... a fire ... call the fireman ... and when I had a look at the local scheme (in the machine room) nothing was matching ... After a while I got the tecnical Otis N300 user guide (I am myself Telco Engineer with an Electronic apprendiship and I do not work on a daily base on these kind of machines) and was able to see and understand that the "local scheme" was from another machine room and they just copy paste and sold as it is ... And the "Spanish Expert" give a fail as he was not able to understand the location of the telco rack for the emergency phone line (another stupidity by the way for a small building of 4 flats), a barrier that was never since the first day (1991) and the 2 wooden chair (to have a nap in the machine room or just to change a bulb or to leave the jacket ....) ... OMG this lift is a high risk ... less ppl are dying from COVID19 in Spain with the great job, regulation, measures done by the local government, authorities, police and so on ... Thanks to keeping all of us save
@iMeltdownDeveloperX
3 жыл бұрын
red ecodisc!?
@danielkl76
3 жыл бұрын
Someone wrote it is not an KONE-ecodisc, it's an KONE-powerdisc (which seems to be very rare).
@elevator_satellite
3 жыл бұрын
It is a PowerDisc GMX2 motor, it is rarer than the one they use on older MaxiSpaces, which is GMX1.
@milus2200
5 жыл бұрын
What type of motor is that???
@LBSiUK
5 жыл бұрын
Powerdisc
@qeelevators2960
4 жыл бұрын
LBSi UK - actually it’s a linear motor designed by KONE.
@liftsadventurevideosinfran7966
4 жыл бұрын
Kone Powerdisc GMX2
@qeelevators2960
4 жыл бұрын
Lifts Adventure Videos in France - that’s the model
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