Frey trying to outvictim the victim is such a typical Twitter move. 😂
@theblackbaron4119
Жыл бұрын
Twitter Tumblr same thing these days. The hardcore autistic people with weird hobbies stayed on Tumblr identifying as houseplants while the more aggressive tards migrated to Twitter.
@wisemankugelmemicus1701
Жыл бұрын
Its not that Frey is like someone on Twitter, its that someone whose mainly on twitter wrote Frey
@Legiey
Жыл бұрын
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 don't give them ideas
@strygwr
Жыл бұрын
Typical woke character writing
@jmaddey85
Жыл бұрын
@@strygwrhas literally nothing to do with being woke, weirdo. This isn’t a woke game just because it stars a woman
@LhLeo
Жыл бұрын
The part where she finally wants to be a hero it’s already near the end of the game, unbelievable story pacing
@FabioSuave
Жыл бұрын
3:23 "...keep making their protagonist extremely unlikeable without ever giving them a redemption arc" because these shows and games are written to mirror the target demographic of the shitlords that play this.
@MoistDelta.
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: you don't have to be narcissistic just to be a strong and independent person. I don't know when these writers will learn
@heemjefee6889
Жыл бұрын
Well if the characters can't be narcissistic then how will the writers ever be able to self insert themselves into the story?
@longebane
Жыл бұрын
@@OBEYTHEPYRAMID yeah, take a look at red dead redemption 2. It's about a gang of degenerates. But you actually come to like the main character (who had a far rougher childhood than here)
@calimantis
Жыл бұрын
Probably doesn't help that the writers aren't likely strong or independent themselves
@justaweeb14688
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t be surprised if the writers were women
@Belisarius536
Жыл бұрын
They already know, I don’t know why people don’t get this. It’s not them all the time. Amy hennig, the woman that wrote the legacy of Kane games and the Nosgoth lore and is one of the best stories in video games and she also done uncharted, so she can definitely write. It’s the higher ups saying “this is what we want, we want it like this, we want it like that, we want our politics in the game” And because it’s not their project and they are hired, they just write half assed pick up their cheque and they are gone. The writers don’t care if it’s a crap story and neither do the folk who commissioned the game because they obviously don’t care about lore and story telling or gameplay so long as their politics is in it.
@julienlefebvre8717
Жыл бұрын
lightning mcqueen from when he gets to radiator springs to the end of the movie is a prime example of what should’ve happened with Frey
@mycycleminorities
Жыл бұрын
When a talking car from a 15 year old animated movie is a better protagonist
@Amyrildora
Жыл бұрын
lmao I love this comparison and agree.
@puhskinti9358
Жыл бұрын
Yeah lightning McQueen should've been the protagonist of this game
@melodious_moon
Жыл бұрын
that's a really solid example, agreed
@rudra.patel.001
Жыл бұрын
man I loved cars
@trevorpearlharbor5171
Жыл бұрын
"It's like shes trying to outvictim her." So shes basically written like most Twitter users.
@blueflare3848
Жыл бұрын
I think that’s exactly the problem with this game.
@HappyFeller9918
Жыл бұрын
Rule of thumb: If a character is absolutely awful and unlikable, but everyone in the story likes them and adores them, then it’s a self insert for a writer who’s an insufferable person. The game doesn’t paint Frey’s actions and character as bad, and everyone in the game loves her; that’s because the writer doesn’t see anything wrong with how Frey is. Just like Frey, the writer is living in a fantasy world.
@jacobisterrible
Жыл бұрын
God you’re right
@soupgirl1871
Жыл бұрын
It's funny how both Velma and Forspoken have almost the exact same issues regarding character writing
@taylorsps12
Жыл бұрын
almost noone in the story liked her.. except for the people who thought they could use her for personal gain and her mother.. or people she helped before they liked her. and 1 guy whos basically insane..
@HeliosFive
Жыл бұрын
How the heck is a name like Amy Hennig attached to this trash? She's usually a great writer.
@by_His_accord
Жыл бұрын
@@soupgirl1871 and that's only the beginning of shity unlacable characters and protagonists in movies and games
@TNTspaz
Жыл бұрын
It's kind of crazy how self-evident the creative differences that show up in this game are. Like many have said. It's almost like the writers didn't know the developers existed and vice versa
@iangrabowski2298
Жыл бұрын
Writers were like woke “funny” dialogue, devs were like fuck earth
@SisterCaliGal
Жыл бұрын
@I-ABUSE-ANIMALS-LMFAO what???
@talkingmudcrab718
Жыл бұрын
@@SisterCaliGal just downvote them and ignore them. they're bots and trolls.
@jairekambui7738
Жыл бұрын
Writers were American and devs were Japanese. Kinda explains the weirdness there. Well it did work out really well for Elden ring, so I dunno.
@sfgshbf
Жыл бұрын
I can do the wrist band stuff
@PatrickWDunne
Жыл бұрын
"Marvel having sex with Twitter's most annoying comedian" Charlie truly has a way with words
@nagiri3833
Жыл бұрын
i assumed he meant elon musk for some reason
@zeadaltaee
Жыл бұрын
@@nagiri3833damn, you must think of him in your sleep
@sirhc8927
Жыл бұрын
@@nagiri3833 really? Empowered edgy teenage girl that fights the power and you think of musk who makes electric cars?
@arigat-s0244
Жыл бұрын
@@nagiri3833 Elon's not a comedian tho?
@eldritchbidoof
Жыл бұрын
wait, does Twitter actually have comedians on it? ......please tell me it doesn't. Please...
@ave4622
Жыл бұрын
I admire their audacity to have sequel hook scene after credits. It reminds me of Green Lantern.
Super Mario Bros and Ghostbusters 2016 had a sequel hook too. Got to admire the optimism.
@YRO.
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMasterOfCeremony They meant "please tell me you're joking" as in no way there's a sequel.
@MattSumGuy
Жыл бұрын
I admire the audacity of whoever had to play until the end credits lol
@kirkginoabolafia3650
Жыл бұрын
The saddest part of the game was the point where Freya's friend snaps on her and tells her off as the shitty human being she is--- it was literally the perfect opportunity for Freya to actually grow as a person and get some genuine character development, but the fact that she snapped back and said "I don't give a shit if this world burns" was just really sad to me.
@mimirsvision9929
Жыл бұрын
It showed her character, which is absolutely horrible. There should be a 3rd ending where cuff just anhilates Frey, he’d put her out of her misery, because clearly she’s miserable
@sir_vaughn2018
Жыл бұрын
Freya is the vanir goddess
@DarthKrillin
Жыл бұрын
@@sir_vaughn2018 Lol that's so true he must still have GoW Ragnarok on the brain or something
@sir_vaughn2018
Жыл бұрын
@@oldpersonalaccount yea thats what got me it just suddenly switched to her wanting to save the day even tho nothing was learned
@Pers0n97
Жыл бұрын
It also speaks volume on the character of the writers. Either they are very bad people that thought being an selfish asshole is cool and relatable and doubling down on it when people directly tell you how your selfishness is hurting them is only making the character even COOLER. Or, they are just bad at their job and thought it was some kind of clever subversion or something. Whatever the reason is, they are just bad and need to never find a writing job ever again. Serving fries for a decade should teach them some humility.
@docilecatfish1370
Жыл бұрын
I like how Frey’s friend says “sorry to interrupt your self-pity party” And Frey responds: Yeah, you should be!
@PriceMw123
Жыл бұрын
An actual good response for the character, if they wanted someone who was actually funny and witty but a dickhead could be, "Thank you for the apology. Now, kindly, fuck off." *shoos them away*
@xeacarons
Жыл бұрын
The fact that i like every other side character who isn't frey says so much. Like can she not be an ass for 2 seconds? Audane literally saves u out of the tower yet she's so ungrateful for no apparent reason. And gawd every time she says "who even uses x word?" for the nth time. Just shut up.
@angelcrush3320
Жыл бұрын
👐"character writing" 🙌
@italianspiderman5012
Жыл бұрын
“We are aware of our character being a whiny, self centred asshole, now love her or you’re racist”- writing team, probably.
@danielholland3991
Жыл бұрын
"made for a modern audience" is all they need to say for us to expect such bullshit.
@psychoninja9013
Жыл бұрын
Honestly the best character trait for a video game protagonist is what link has, “he never speaks because he doesn’t want to embarrass himself”.
@uglybad4
Жыл бұрын
I remember stumbling upon that lore in BOTW years ago and it made his silence so much more admirable, Frey could learn a thing or two lol
@gremlinman9724
Жыл бұрын
windwaker link probably talks like sonic, but nobody knows so nobody cares.
@cajbajthewhite4889
Жыл бұрын
I mean, it's objectively true. Pretty much all of Link's dialogue in that game is facetiousness and puns. I mean the dude eats rocks on a dare, It's a good thing he keeps quiet.
@Anonymous-73
Жыл бұрын
I always thought he just had nothing to say
@dior666-
Жыл бұрын
@@cajbajthewhite4889 damn didnt have to flame him
@jackshapiro4668
Жыл бұрын
In the new Puss In Boots movies, Puss has more character development in 30 minutes than Frey does in 30 hours.
@vandaley3352
Жыл бұрын
we need a moist meter for the new Puss in boots movie
@the-annoyinator
Жыл бұрын
The main story (Where there is any actual character development) is only maybe 10 hours at most if you take your time, good attempt at a useless correlation though
@maallos334mi8
Жыл бұрын
@@the-annoyinator name checks out
@the-annoyinator
Жыл бұрын
@@maallos334mi8 No shit??
@hamzabeg6882
Жыл бұрын
@@the-annoyinatorit's crazy how little this changes their point
@gregolonious
Жыл бұрын
Let's be real here, the moment she parkored her way out of a gang fight, in which the people had a gun, and they just watched her behind a chainlink fence, I was over it.
@mohamedaminebensoltana4198
Жыл бұрын
i mean yes they have a gun but were they willing to use it? i dont think so, and let's say they decided to shoot her, it wont be benifecial for them because they need her to fix her shit and get back the car ( listen i dont give a shit about the game but so many people make your argument and i think there so many more better ones to shit on the game )
@CinnamonToastKing
Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedaminebensoltana4198 woah woah! You are asking people to put in a little common sense?! Can't do that on the internet.
@dlwatson0501
Жыл бұрын
Heaven forbid something unreal happens in a video game or movie you sound stupid.
@DrippleDragon
Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedaminebensoltana4198 so Im from a area where gangs and thugs are very common and I promise you if you have a gun and pull it and don’t shoot your just a bitch flexin, also at that point when real thugs get done over they tend to not think it’s smart to work with you again, that’s it, there’s a reputation to keep, that Hollywood shit is when your able to talk yourself out of it and to begin with you couldn’t take these “thugs” seriously anyway, nobody would send a little girl to do their work nor take her seriously, and if some little girl ever tried to come thuggin in cheetah print she’d get turned tf out so fast, so the scene altogether was terrible
@Marxistnazi
Жыл бұрын
It's funny because a normal person wouldn't have done that. In reality they'd run for their lives, they wouldn't stop and flip off their muggers to look cool. I hate this style of character writing, where the character is super unrealistic, snarky, and soulless. They don't express any emotions either, when they do, it's so contrived, "oh my dad died, I'm so depressed", that's literally marvel writing. They just spew snarky, sarcastic bullshit. It's so damn tiring. I wish writers would stop with this marvel level bullshit. Also it's a chainlink fence. Chain link fences can't really stop a bullet from going through it.
@DwayneIsK1NG
Жыл бұрын
Charlie usually sounds dead inside, but damn does it sound like this game dug him up and put him right back in the ground 💀💀
@delusion5867
Жыл бұрын
This game robbed his grave but he ain't even dead yet
@wyldeman7
Жыл бұрын
A+ comment
@asain3586
Жыл бұрын
Lmao, watch his playthrough stream. The man is in anguish at the end of the game
@delusion5867
Жыл бұрын
@@asain3586 I can’t watch anyone play this game, every line is an attack on my psyche
@ultimaxkom8728
Жыл бұрын
@@delusion5867 *[Forspoken (Rare)(Cursed)]* *Cost:* $70 *Effect:* _Willpower_ +10% but drain 0.1-2.5 percent of _Sanity_ every second when equipped.
@ariestsuji4417
Жыл бұрын
She feels like a choose your own story character where you get to pick the dialogue options, but she just keeps picking the most rude options possible at every turn, but the story still has to have her save everyone and be the good guy in the end so it just does a sudden 180 pretending there's been a character arch for all this change
@zovinchen3281
Жыл бұрын
As someone pointed out in other video, Forspoken feels like a game where you choose Dark Side decisions and still end up a Jedi. Or a game where you choose Renegade options and still end up a Paragon
@stationaryniggurath7690
Жыл бұрын
going full renegade run.
@xooperz
Жыл бұрын
Dialogue option: Hello... "Hello, fucker. I'm going to murder you and your whole family!"
@Prplex.
Жыл бұрын
Goes from being the most narcissistic arrogant bitch ever to an entirely different person in 5 minutes
@braidena1633
Жыл бұрын
Maybe my personality sucks but I find her thus-far incessant attitude kinda funny.
@AsylumDog
Жыл бұрын
To those who would argue "If Frey was a man you would accept her attitude", I'd like to turn your attention to Alex from YIIK: A Postmodern RPG. Alex is written as a narcissistic asshole who is dismissive at best, outright cruel at worst to the people around him, friends included. Much like how Charlie describes Frey, Alex is meant to have an "arc" but he is an unlikeable tool up until the very last moments of the game in which he suddenly 180s and the audience is meant to like him now. Audiences HATED him. Many critics, reviewers and online personalities disliked how unlikeable he was, how he was a rude manchild who made other peoples' trauma about him. Alex shares a lot of the same negative and annoying traits we see in Frey. Having a Y chromosome does not mean people will automatically put up with you being an asshole, and being a woman does not mean people should automatically excuse you being an asshole. Bottom Line: Don't be mean to people.
@blueflare3848
Жыл бұрын
I can’t help but feel like the “guy acts like a jerk” trope is more common and gets less flack compared to when it’s a female character instead, but it’s good to know that it doesn’t always seem to be the case. Personally, I hate when it’s handled the way it was in this game, regardless of the gender of the character. You can have a character be rude or abrasive and do it in a way that actually works, but this game handles it horribly. I completely agree with your last point, though. People just shouldn’t be rude to others. It shouldn’t be portrayed as cool or badass like it is in various forms of media.
@vazazell5967
Жыл бұрын
I like Alex. He is a shithead and it's entertaining. I guess I'll like forspoken if it's as avangarde
@DavidJCobb
Жыл бұрын
@@blueflare3848 you're not wrong about it being skewed like that, but i also think the dynamic is more specific: "guy who acts like a jerk" characters tend to be better received when they have some sort of merit -- usually intelligence, like dr. house. alex had basically no merit; there was nothing witty, smart, or endearing about him ive seen some reviewers speculate that alex is even the result of the devs lashing out at the player, portraying the very act of enjoying stories as fundamentally selfish and a moral failing. there's... an astonishing amount of evidence to support it. he's not just designed to be unlikeable; he's designed to be _insulting_
@Ansalion
Жыл бұрын
Literally an indie RPG that no ones heard of. What about Kratos from God of War? Mike Thorton from Alpha Protocol? Mike and Trevor from GTA5? Plenty of asshole male main characters get a pass from high profile games.
@mr_sauce_cooks
Жыл бұрын
Well said
@HuskyType
Жыл бұрын
I think what happened is that they thought to write her like a tough New Yorker that grew up on the streets without any family. The problem is that she would be more stoic and hardened versus just a straight asshole, and the overall experience of a new reality would probably be welcoming to someone like that. From what I’ve seen this character would have absolutely no friends lol
@dramatic_dragon5689
Жыл бұрын
Totally. Her behavior and backstory make no sense because if she told any of the gangsters to "shut the fuck up" like she tells Cuff 50 times she'd be dead by now.
@ben_sisko2149
Жыл бұрын
Not really, they just think she is likeable like "Velma" or Starfire's daughter...
@stoheha
Жыл бұрын
As a person that wants to like this game, I wish it never had a story because it clearly overshadows the game itself. It's nuts to think this game probably would've been far better received if they just never had a writing staff from the start.
@weirdyoutubechannels
Жыл бұрын
see my banner for a cookie!
@nom6758
Жыл бұрын
Shes a self insert of the writer. The writer is most assuredly a snarky asshole that believes being independent and strong means making shitty comments, jokes, and treating others like shit, while at the same time finding such actions as acceptable.
@nicolelar7666
Жыл бұрын
My favorite part was Charlie guessing the plot twist 1 hour and 30 minutes into the game.
@NotSoSerious69420
Жыл бұрын
If I had the chance to play a modern triple A game where the ending wasn’t the most obvious conclusion I’d be so happy.
@drunkenhobo5039
Жыл бұрын
This is why Driver: San Francisco is the best game. It tells you the twist right at the start.
@invigale
Жыл бұрын
what was the plot twist?
@katon.9893
Жыл бұрын
@@invigale The dragon boss fight at the start of the game is the main characters mother.
@dragonITH-nk3yk
Жыл бұрын
@@katon.9893 Also the cuff is the bad guy
@Limxuv
Жыл бұрын
From what I’ve seen in clips and trailers about the protagonist, I feel like someone like that would actually quickly turn into a villain if given the kind of power that she has. It might’ve made it a more enjoyable game if they did that instead
@Gyaradosage
Жыл бұрын
If this had suddenly switched into a “character given too much power in a new world becomes the villain” type of story, it would have been soooo much better. Not sure how it could end, but it would have been interesting.
@N-VAMusic
Жыл бұрын
@Victoria Towns something tells me if that was the direction they went there would be a group of people calling the game racist for making a minority character a villain. But I agree it would have been a better story and potentially could have gone to tease a 2nd game where you are the biggest bad with even more power and a campaign to overrule the world. Pretty basic but still better than this dumpster fire
@jeffpulohanan9226
Жыл бұрын
Going the Infamous route? That was fucking good
@va5780
Жыл бұрын
Her character is villainous in nature. I was rooting for the demon throughout the entire fight, like, her dying in the end should have been a legitimate ending.
@bigdingus9333
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffpulohanan9226 ayyyy Infamous is amazing
@ffox8141
Жыл бұрын
I think this is one of the most generous moist meter scores.
@7771-e6x
Жыл бұрын
ngl I expected lower
@Mark-tq8gc
Жыл бұрын
agreed
@LucidTurtle
Жыл бұрын
45% but really didn't enjoy anything about the game .. very generous. Still a more realistic score than media outlets saying its bad and giving it a 7/10 but ya this appears to be a 2.5/10 to me
@jajasking9652
Жыл бұрын
@@LucidTurtle he said that there is stuff to like about this Game, It just he didn't have a fun time overall. Plus It, at least, had potencial, and It doesn't have that many bugs or feels like absurdly incomplete ( although It definitly feels like pretty rushed and everything is puting there with a mountain of glue ), however, is awfully optimizate, a 3070 in order for the Game to run a 30 fps ? TF?
@GothPaoki
Жыл бұрын
For real game had way more problems than the dialogue
@dropkickpherby6994
Жыл бұрын
Square Enix, consistently devolving into the "how do you do fellow kids" of game developers.
@yenmeng
Жыл бұрын
They should just outsource the writing Jesus Christ
@zeitgeistx5239
Жыл бұрын
People too dumb to realize this is a Japanese title.
@user-name3366
Жыл бұрын
they were not the developer tho, they were just the publisher, Luminous production was behind the development but still SE giving the go ahead to publish it idk
@thecaptain6520
Жыл бұрын
@@yenmeng they did. That's why the writing sucks
@foe9634
Жыл бұрын
@@user-name3366 but Luminous production is a SE studio its not like they are a separate studio.
@MrGpritt
Жыл бұрын
The actress that portrays Frey desperately needs a new agent. First Netflix's Resident Evil and now this.
@ThaNarc
Жыл бұрын
Shit that was her?
@fezzy5591
Жыл бұрын
@@ThaNarc Yep and she was in the recent Charlie's Angel's movie that got hammered by every KZitemr and critic
@ThaNarc
Жыл бұрын
@@fezzy5591 god damn shes on a razzy streak
@TheSnorlax7
Жыл бұрын
I feel bad for her... Just like Cavill and Yeoh... In the Witcher... Great at what they do... But shit writing.
@ThaNarc
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSnorlax7 naah she just has a shitty manager
@GoofyGoober690
Жыл бұрын
I genuinely love how much emphasis Charles has when talking about how horribly abrasive the main character is. I'm sick and tired of seeing a writers thoughts and emotions come through in almost everything we see. I'm already depressed and angry enough without having to listen to utterly abysmal, school level dialogue.
@dfasdasasdasdasdd
Жыл бұрын
Just gonna say it’s utterly incredible how you wouldn’t think an author would portray their thoughts and ideals into something they create.
@Aramanela
Жыл бұрын
@@dfasdasasdasdasdd it's utterly incredible how you don't think authors can make a story without putting their ideals and thoughts and end up RUINING the story.
@lukapitkanen3333
Жыл бұрын
@@dfasdasasdasdasdd was just about to say this. It’s the author’s character and story they can do whatever they want with it
@dfasdasasdasdasdd
Жыл бұрын
@@Aramanela I didn’t say anything about his opinion of the game first of all and just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean the story is ruined. An author literally has full rights to make whatever they want and if you don’t like it, you don’t have to buy/consume it. I’m sure there will be plenty of other people that will enjoy it.
@bigwinz
Жыл бұрын
@@dfasdasasdasdasdd "If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it." First of all, done. Second, everybody already knows that, it's not worth stating. Third, people are allowed to criticize things, these happen to be well reasoned and legitimate criticisms. If writers write a bad character, people are gonna point out the bad, that's just how it works. Finally, writers do not need to project themselves into a character to write them well. Otherwise, every writer would only ever be able to write one character, with minor variations. If you think characters necessarily must be some form of a self insert, you're either not a writer, or a bad one.
@skyblockland27
Жыл бұрын
the fact that most people would choose the new york ending really says a lot about how infuriating this game is
@ha-kh7ef
Жыл бұрын
there is Mutiple endings? lmaop
@ttitus3273
Жыл бұрын
@@weirdyoutubechannels no
@RexGalilae
Жыл бұрын
Frey is the epitome of Hollywood's idea of a "strong independent woman"
@zeitgeistx5239
Жыл бұрын
Except this is a Japanese game.
@Le-Fishe
Жыл бұрын
@@zeitgeistx5239 the story writers were not.
@mehashonhold
Жыл бұрын
@@zeitgeistx5239 The writing team is American
@bedog0ne216
Жыл бұрын
@@zeitgeistx5239 Forspoken was developed by Luminous Productions (a video game studio in Japan as well as a division of Square), that doesn't necessarily mean they wrote the game.
@spinosaurusstriker
Жыл бұрын
@@zeitgeistx5239 this is like saying marvel movies are chinese because their props use slave labour
@ProtocolDroidHK47
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if this was a big ploy, a set up for a sequel where Frey is the villain. The satisfaction of beating a character that you've hated since the beginning of the previous game would be excellent.
@shupasopni
Жыл бұрын
What a waste of a first game though. You could have written a villain protagonist story that's actually fun. Like Light Yagami is a horrible person, but people actually like Death Note.
@zionleach3001
Жыл бұрын
Good plan. But that's giving them too much credit.
@itizwhatitiz9560
Жыл бұрын
@@shupasopni A lot of first games can be bad, Nier for example didn't have a great start
@shupasopni
Жыл бұрын
@@itizwhatitiz9560 Nier had a great story though, and was really just kinda mid and clunky as a game. But you do have a point. One bad game out the gate wont necessarily sink a series. I'm just saying you don't even need to do the villain protag in a way that will make a stinker of a story.
@leoncoben6983
Жыл бұрын
@@itizwhatitiz9560 What are you talking about"? Nier was great. Granted my dumb 13-year-old brain didn't comprehend that story when I first played it but the story is great, a little bumpy but fun all around with some concerning effects it's had on me questioning my existence.
@0megaWarrior
Жыл бұрын
I seriously hate that argument about people hating female protagonists and I'm glad you tackled that Charlie. People don't hate Frey because she's a woman. People hate Frey because she's an asshole. She's unlikeable and insufferable. There's plenty of amazing female protagonists out there like Lara Croft, Samus Aran, Aloy, etc. Protagonists being female isn't the issue, the writing is.
@stellviahohenheim
9 ай бұрын
Don't hate her because she's a female, hate her because she's a poc
@GBlastMan
Жыл бұрын
what makes Frey more insufrable is that she literally tries to out victimize the other girl, gets in bad terms with her and you never see her trying to make amends with her later on, or like she tries to apologize somehow, she just said "i dont care about your shitty world" and never tried to apologize for it.
@raphk9599
Жыл бұрын
I've heard women say they don't give a fuck about WW2. They don't care about one of the greatest conflicts in the history of man kind. Doesn't interest them. That's insane to me.
@spiderace7994
Жыл бұрын
@@MamadNobari No, Dumb Writers ☕
@nazo7090
Жыл бұрын
Both☕️ :p
@jonbaxter2254
Жыл бұрын
Somehow to these writers, apologies are weakness...
For those curious about why the writing is so cringe. The two main writers have never worked on videogames. One was primarily an actor, Todd Stashwick. The other was Allison Rymer whose main feat was writing for the god awful YA TV Show, "Shadowhunters." If you're thinking Amy Hennig and Gary Whitta, they were only credited for Story Concept (specifically Story Concept, and Original Concept respectively). This means they most likely wrote a foundational roadmap/outline for how the story would play out and its setting. Amy and Gary's names also pop up after the montage part of the credits, whereas the former two were credited first AND during the montage. Kinda hints how much involvement the actual experienced and bigger named writers had with the content if I were to say anything about it. Gary Whitta and especially Amy Hennig were effectively just big names for marketing despite not being the main writers. Similar to how George R.R. Martin states that he really just wrote the foundational lore/outline of the Elden Ring world while Miyazaki fleshed everything out. Yet, you saw George R.R. Martin plastered everywhere to almost sell the idea that he had a direct and constant hand in development.
@Master10k2
Жыл бұрын
Well that explains a lot. Thanks for that.
@elijahpark5344
Жыл бұрын
The only difference is that Miyazaki actually took the idea Martin introduced, and actually made something amazing. He probably just needed help on the different multiple contrasting factions through the game. Here, they took nothing from the outline provided by Amy and Gary. Just as arrogant as their dumbass protagonist themself 😂
@mattappl3119
Жыл бұрын
The game definitely had some good concepts, even if they were basic fantasy vibes but hiring an actor and a bad YA writer for the job was a terrible idea. This explanation makes perfect sense thank you.
@zrixie7695
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t Shadowhunters pretty well liked? It has an 80% on Rotten Tomatoes which is really good.
@TheOmniBro
Жыл бұрын
@@zrixie7695 It's a YA book adaptation of "The Mortal Instruments." My ex-gf, who loved the books, convinced me to watch it with her. 1st Season is completely dog and you can check the ratings on that. She said it got a lot better, but that a lot of changes in direction were made that eventually caused her to drop the show entirely and never mention it again. From what I remember, the 1st Season caused a crap ton of ppl and fans alike to drop it. Which is why I doubt many have heard of it or even know it continued with 2 more seasons as I remember there were constant talks of it at risk of getting canceled while it was aired. Either way, Allison Rymer only wrote 3 episodes from that show. She's still a complete newbie. So I'm unsure if the show is actually good or not cuz I was part of the crowd that got filtered out by S1. Doubly unsure if it's actually good because it could also be one of those shows where its ratings are inflated since it comes from a YA book series targeted at teen girls, i.e. an echo chamber. Which could mean the hardcore fans might be propping it up through a rose tinted lens while also being the only ones watching as again, S1 is an extremely effective filter.
@b_sway
Жыл бұрын
They somehow managed to give a talking bracelet more character development than the protagonist of the game
@negutivzero
Жыл бұрын
Frey reminds me of this girl I knew growing up that turned every struggle into a competition. "You think your day was bad? That's pathetic my day was way worse."
@BoostedAkatsukiRiffs
Жыл бұрын
In my old age, I'm starting to appreciate the silent protagonist.
@Mvnvce
Жыл бұрын
*laughs in doomslayer*
@SGalaxyify
Жыл бұрын
Laughs in Link
@jakeberry8882
Жыл бұрын
Remain silent...
@ther3ap3r86
Жыл бұрын
Laughs in souls-like games
@secredeath
Жыл бұрын
FUSH RO DAHHHHHH
@derpwords2429
Жыл бұрын
You see the same issue on Velma when it comes to writing. You have writers with terrible character who believe they have it all together and they write out of their own toxic awfulness.
@__-fi6xg
Жыл бұрын
basically, not even the makers watch it for their own enjoyment unless it feeds their own ego.
@archbishopofthecrusades9579
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's showing not just a talent issue with modern writes but also a morality issue, especially when these characters are continually panned yet they keep making them
@ebpthiccpapayas8724
Жыл бұрын
@@archbishopofthecrusades9579 I think it’s always been this way. Looking back every generation says the prior was bad. I think nepotism just goes too far in artistic avenues which is a crazy concept to begin with
@SlackerMagician
Жыл бұрын
@EBP Thicc Papa Yas nepotism? try diversity hires
@madnessman1520
Жыл бұрын
I don't think that's exactly the same situation. Apparently The creator of the show even said she didnt want to make the show but wb said if she wanted to make a show she had to use one of their existing ip's. I could be be wrong tho but I saw people saying that on twitter
@tajee_y9936
Жыл бұрын
I like how forespoken had to constantly remind everyone about what was happening towards the ending because everyone playing wasn’t paying attention to the story
@justsomeguy4422
Жыл бұрын
tbh it was kinda obvious where the story was going, in most Isekai stories where you get yeeted to a world you dont know, its for a reason. and it was obvious freys reason was because she got dumped onto earth in the first place. how did i guess that before seeing the ending? the cuff.. magical items dont just attach to people in a lot of stories, unless its owned through a bloodline. im pretty sure the game did what it did like you said because the devs probably already knew people could care less for the story, most came for the combat which is super mid, its like FFXV but worse.
@bluestar_kun
Жыл бұрын
yeah after watching his 50 min video on the game I've started skipping cutscenes since guess what, it was too easy to pick up that Frey is related to one of the Tantas and I hate that I was right so early on
@asain3586
Жыл бұрын
@@justsomeguy4422 Yo dont diss FFXV. At least that game better in alot of things like road trip with bros/Homie. And I dare say the story actually better if they dont cut up a lot of shit like princess and skipping to adult age
@rileymachelle4088
Жыл бұрын
@@justsomeguy4422 Damn really? The combat definitely was dogshit (just holding the O/B button lmao). But aside from that, at least there was SOME shit to like in FFXV. Like your companions; Iggy (Ignis), Gladio, and Prompto. The massive spectacle of the boss battles, and the amazing soundtrack... That was it lol, but hey it still kept me playing
@rileymachelle4088
Жыл бұрын
@@asain3586 Bro, Ignis? Iggy? What a hero, an actual paragon of friendship. His DLC had me crying because of what he did with the ring
@Silas237
Жыл бұрын
Saddie Addler in RDR2 is my favourite example of a strong female character who's actually well written. Her strength doesn't come at the expense of everyone around her
@Misanthropolis
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY. Frey I absolutely fucking hate, but Saddie Addler? I would marry her... then again I don't think she would marry any other man again after the whole ordeal...
@youtubesucks3882
Жыл бұрын
Her husband killed, her house burned, possibly raped by O'driscolls and then saved by the Van der Linde gang...Of course she's going to shift her perspective of life and crave her revenge. All RDR2 characters are greatly written.
@atomicfoxtoast647
Жыл бұрын
R2-D2?
@jurassicroom7673
Жыл бұрын
@@atomicfoxtoast647 Red Dead Redemption 2
@jordandrukqsz4026
Жыл бұрын
Her revenge does come with some expense. She tended to have impulse problems which arose like 3 or 4 times through the game. One time specifically getting Arthur caught by an enemy. She is also kind of a Mary Sue because out of nowhere she is able to shoot like a top gunslinger. I wish she had a tad bit more of development in the middle for everything they try to deliver with her.
@ajyhimst2782
Жыл бұрын
the dialogue is what a 40+ year old thinks gen-z sounds like. it's really telling
@spottedslash4256
Жыл бұрын
To be fair. Some Teenagers are moody, rebellious and try-hard to a point of Validation..... the fact that THIS character doesn't change at all after being thrown into a world of magic and fantasy and doesn't change from it. Isn't realistic at all.
@Sizdothyx
Жыл бұрын
Nah, the dialogue is what a 29 year-old former LiveJournal writer thinks the world is like.
@bobsaget3841
Жыл бұрын
And Frey isn’t even a teenager, she’s 20 in the game it tells us her age at the start.
@Bestwick1983
Жыл бұрын
Nah, it's what 20+ somethings want the character to sound like by living vicariously through the character.
@gman7497
Жыл бұрын
I think a for- sure takeaway from this is that lots of gamers are adults in their 30s and 40s and we don't necessarily want to be in the shoes of snotty know-it all kids. There needs to be recognition in the games industry that the demographic for triple A games has matured and maybe the writing should as well.
@Zyphent
Жыл бұрын
Makes me appreciate how crazy it is for 10/10 games to exist. Everyone has to be firing on all cylinders, design, art, gameplay, programming, music, writing, etc. Several of these teams can put in their all and do amazing and still have a game flop because another team completely misses the mark.
@kasam77
Жыл бұрын
Lost judgement is 10/10
@gman7497
Жыл бұрын
You also have to account for subjectivity. A game can be well made and nail it for a certain audience but it will miss for others. I know for sure that not everyone thinks GoW Ragnarok and Elden Ring are 10/10 games.
@armoredsquirrel946
Жыл бұрын
@@gman7497 let's be honest, people who don't agree on the FACT that ER and GOWR are solid 10 are mostly seeking attention while nit picking flaws, the perfect game or piece of media doesn't exists, but when you get close enough thats a 10/10
@xyannail4678
Жыл бұрын
@@armoredsquirrel946 I know I haven't tried GOW:R yet and I know it will be good. I guess GOW level of good. Alas, Horizon Zero Dawn for example is a way perfect prequel rather than Forbidden West due to expectations that weren't met. (It's just an example, I'm not hating on the sequel)
@Pho3nix44
Жыл бұрын
@Armored Squirrel I played a ton of all 3 Dark Souls games and Bloodborne and I don't like Elden Ring. I really try every couple months but I don't. I'm happy for From Soft but Code Vein was a huge upgrade to the Souls formula. Elden Ring uses all of the same attacks for the same weapons we've been using in the Souls game for years without adding anything new and fresh to combat. The Ashes of War were cool so you could change the 1 ability your weapon gets but it feels like just a gimmick. Then the open world and dungeons copy paste the same enemies over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. The world could have been significantly smaller and a much better game. Just because a game is popular doesn't mean that those that don't like it are crazy or haters. I tried really hard to like the 2018 GOW but I just didn't. Nothing about it was bad or even terrible. I'm never gonna say bad things about it except that it wasn't for me.
@Phloxix
Жыл бұрын
The very first scene where she walks out of court with her 3rd felony charge and she only got 120 hrs of community service, I was out.
@MrBrodie2468
Жыл бұрын
And then bitches about how tough new York courts are lol
@douglasduda9826
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to New York...where those loving, accepting and nurturing democrats don't give 1 tiny shit about you...make sure to give them more of ur hard earned money though.
@lettuceprime4922
Жыл бұрын
@@douglasduda9826 jesus fuckin christ there's always one
@douglasduda9826
Жыл бұрын
@@lettuceprime4922 Tell my how am I wrong? She should have gotten locked up. But reality is these Liberal judges Don't want criminals locked up they want them voting...Democrat. Just like all the illegals pouring into our country atm. Somehow this is right and legal to do? These are the same people SCREAMING RULE OF LAW, but don't follow the law themselves. Just the same DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO people as corporate America. Wake the fuck up.
@pnoodl3s775
Жыл бұрын
@@douglasduda9826 gotta bring politic to everything don’t you? Yes, blame democrats for everything. They raise gas prices, they give you cancer and they made forspoken shit. Anything else?
@finessedfish3762
Жыл бұрын
We really got Forspoken and Velma in the same year and we’re not even a month in yet
@zeitgeistx5239
Жыл бұрын
This is a Japanese game.
@wackoterp7026
Жыл бұрын
Since those came out they moved the apocalypse clock by 10 seconds too
@valti223
Жыл бұрын
@@zeitgeistx5239 literally noone asked
@jeremys3951
Жыл бұрын
@@valti223 last of us too 😂
@Waltersop
Жыл бұрын
Written by Americans
@zanspancakes1913
Жыл бұрын
Square Enix is that one childhood friend, who you used to had fun with and was a good person. Now, just wishing for them to make better decisions.
@swaggadash9017
Жыл бұрын
It's actually like that good friend that got into drugs or crime 😂 I'd put it down to all the old people that worked there don't anymore and this is what the current work force is capable of.
@MrFusion
Жыл бұрын
If I see Square Enix developed/published a game, I know to stay the fuck away from it
@walter4180
Жыл бұрын
Square (since the merger with Enix) has always been a hit and miss studio Great example is that DIRGE OF CERBERUS came out the same year as FF12 (my guilty pleasure and an underrated FF game imo) being 2006 FF7R was pretty great (had a bunch of flaws but still like an 8 imo) and given what we've seen of FF16, I'm pretty optimistic for it
@hvyarms4496
Жыл бұрын
Even their FF games lacking. Strangers of Paradise
@hollowvoidz3472
Жыл бұрын
@@hvyarms4496 granted I’m a very new ff fan compared to others but I think the recent ones were pretty decent. 16 looks pretty good too from what we’ve seen
@danielhavoc889
Жыл бұрын
"And then she tried to out-victim her" So she's a Twitter user?
@Chan-md2hb
Жыл бұрын
Twitter user, SJW, Feminist what's the difference?
@xera1708
Жыл бұрын
A good female protagonist I don't see mentioned often is Bayonetta from the series of the same name. She's very charming, witty, elegant, and yet has a lot of depth to her with her backstory and her parents, which is used very well. Also, she does go through a slight character arc in the first game, where she is basically all on her own spare for one or two allies, but over the course of the game learns to trust people, trust herself, and her new friends, and becomes very caring and protective of the people close to her. She's witty and has some funny dialouge but isn't constantly talking. She's quiet and serious when needed. It's not that hard to make a good female protagonist lol
@Bleax
Жыл бұрын
Probably because her whole trope is her powers make her naked. You can’t really spin it as her having character progression when she’s designed to be sexualized.
@hannibalburgers477
Жыл бұрын
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 🙄🙄🙄🙄😒😒😒😒😒
@Tobbx87
Жыл бұрын
@@Bleax A character can be sexualized and still have a good arc. They are not mutualy exclusive.
@_woblyleg_6857
Жыл бұрын
@@Bleax oof self inserted comment
@Alectron8
Жыл бұрын
forspoken feels like if an AI was given a triple A game budget.
@j.b3732
Жыл бұрын
@YeaMan you don’t have to lid
@GeneralDMadness
Жыл бұрын
ai is better than those writers
@darrelsam419
Жыл бұрын
Even an AI can't make something as soulless as writers/developers who don't care.
@stormdragon2529
Жыл бұрын
i think an AI would do a 10x times better job than this. an AI would see what makes a game good statistically and just make it make it good based on that
@zeitgeistx5239
Жыл бұрын
You didn’t know this is a Japanese game.
@gregzirger6996
Жыл бұрын
Watching this game just makes me want to play Control. Great story, great combat, great female protagonist.
@barbodx9957
Жыл бұрын
Controls story was very weird not bad but weird
@silkhenge
Жыл бұрын
I'm happy I 100% control. This i can't bare to listen to and the gameplay needed to be perfective. Everything is too cluttered but nothing refined
@katlicks
Жыл бұрын
@@AaronHendu I hope you enjoy it.
@alfred9805
Жыл бұрын
@@AaronHendu enjoy, it's a great game
@Anguloose
Жыл бұрын
@@barbodx9957 yeah controls odd as fuck, fun tho
@GassedGasMask7
Жыл бұрын
That sweet sense of relief when you don't pre-order a bad game
@TallTitanTV
Жыл бұрын
The relief when i did, was disappointed when it was delayed to november then refunded it when it was delayed to now
@singami465
Жыл бұрын
That sweet sense of having a brain when you don't pre-order any games, because you're not a terrible consoomer.
@TallTitanTV
Жыл бұрын
@@singami465 ok good for you. This game looked cool and i love open world traversal shit but i refunded cause the delays worried me
@edwin5145
Жыл бұрын
@@TallTitanTV It's best to never pre-order imo.
@singami465
Жыл бұрын
@@TallTitanTV ...why not just wait for the release and buy it then? What is there to lose by not frontloading your cash on a product you know nothing about?
@TheeLZ
Жыл бұрын
Tales of the Abyss is a perfect story that has a protagonist that starts off insufferable but actually grows and becomes a good person, so much so that you are invested in the growth. Luke was an amazing character and is the best example writers could mimic and just forget that the growth of a character is very important.
@thegreatgonzales6813
Жыл бұрын
Based Tales fan. That series does moral greyness so well.
@shdwboi07
Жыл бұрын
I dunno I found Luke to be an insufferable self entitled jackass and then he became a self pitying suicidal jackass. I mean he did develop and eventually get a grip by the end and stopped being an ass and a baby but both earlier variations of him were just so annoying and if it wasn't for the host of other great characters I don't think I would have enjoyed Abyss as much as I did. That said I agree it's leaps and bounds above Forspoken even with my gripes.
@aeroga2383
Жыл бұрын
Luke was likeable from the start. Makes me question if these complaints about Frey are geniune
@Dize6969
Жыл бұрын
Haseo from hack gu and Neku from twewy also works....
@elvickRULES
Жыл бұрын
Luke is so annoying I also quit. I looked up if he got better and people said he did so stuck with it. Perfect way to do it.
@kintama3453
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know how there are still writers who think, “let’s write the main character so that everyone hates her” like did they actually think she will be popular?
@mdihero
Жыл бұрын
Because most writers are men
@atomictiger4
Жыл бұрын
They aren’t really doing this for actual fans of RPG’s or games as a whole, they could care less, kinda like how the Rings Of Power producers don’t give a damn about LOTR fans…sadly
@r.daneel.90
Жыл бұрын
Its like an unconscious attempt to generate a self-fulfilling prophecy. A lot of people in Hollywood try to push that no one likes female protagonists just because they are women, so they create horrible female characters so they can keep complaining about how people don't like them.
@ruhan5392
Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? She was so badass and didn't take shit from anyone. All girls wish to be like her smh people love to complain about female protagonists. (Satire)
@Dubs22005
Жыл бұрын
ya gotta be black. which means always having an attitude and walk around like your entitled to the world bowing down to you
@kirkginoabolafia3650
Жыл бұрын
What's crazy too is that at the end of the game you have a choice to pick two portals, either to stay in Athia and fight the final boss, or take a portal back home to NYC. If you choose the latter, it ends with LITERALLY a fifteen-second cutscene of you walking down the street with your cat. Like, that's it, lmao. Feels so half assed
@trucid2
Жыл бұрын
Wow.. What a letdown.
@mabybee
Жыл бұрын
If you wait for the cutscene & credits to end, it actually takes you directly to the start menu for Stray, the award winning cat simulator. Only on PS5 though.
@ThwipThwipBoom
Жыл бұрын
@JackAMatt The fuck you just say?
@prim_manga9885
Жыл бұрын
I believe that's the true ending
@NeroV1L3
Жыл бұрын
@JackAMatt what else would you expect from cuphead? What else would they have done?
@michaelsnow3536
Жыл бұрын
Having an insufferable main character in a game is absolutely a deal breaker. You spend the entire game as this character, you can't have them be this unlikeable.
@RyuShinkuuHadoken
Жыл бұрын
Let me remind you of Abby (from TLOU2)
@fish5645
Жыл бұрын
@@RyuShinkuuHadoken Ahh that character in the game that tanked the IP? Yeah good point.
@weabootrash5891
Жыл бұрын
Tales of Abyss does a wonderful job with having an insufferable MC- for the first half of the game he’s a massive jackass and it’s impossible to like him, but by the second half he’s a completely different person who both learned his lesson and changed for the better. THAT is how you do it
@ThaTyphon
Жыл бұрын
@@weabootrash5891 Luke wasnt that bad but it was nice to see his development throughout.
@weabootrash5891
Жыл бұрын
@@ThaTyphon I’ll admit it’s been ages since I played Abyss, but I remember him being really unlikeable for the first half. Still, seeing him change and be better made his character work, and justified his earlier self in the story
@KaitoKenny
Жыл бұрын
Hearing you talk about unlikable protagonists reminds me of my first playthrough of Tales of the Abyss. I straight up hated how obnoxious the protagonist was at the beginning, but they had one of the strangest ways of making that makes sense and gave him a very well done redemption.
@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r
Жыл бұрын
A rule that many modern writers fail to understand: Making your female character a sarcastic know it all doesn't make her likable in the slighest. It only makes her more annoying and unbearable to connect with.
@FervorGaming
Жыл бұрын
And why do you believe the goal was to make her likable. Every game does the same likable troupe.
@yungtwiz
Жыл бұрын
Even Sarcasm works if you write with a brain, I love Ellie in TLOS and she’s as sarcastic as you can get
@yungtwiz
Жыл бұрын
@@FervorGaming it usually helps in a video game to like the character you’re gonna spend hours playing as
@ap001209
Жыл бұрын
@@FervorGaming Because without it the game will fail. Same with basically any media. Why would i want to watch or play as a rude AF character that i just want to punch. Like fine, if you want them to be rude and unlikeable then make that a big point in the story so you are actively rooting against the character you play as. However in games like this, all it does is make the game annoying to play. Its literally the exact same scenario as the new Velma show, she is so fucking unlikable it makes the show unbearable to watch,
@hamchurger4566
Жыл бұрын
@@FervorGaming no they dont. Most games have blank slate troupe. So the people can relate to them even if they have no depth.
@PriceMw123
Жыл бұрын
There was a part in the game where I thought to myself. If they just committed to the character to be an unlikable jerk and made the dialogue funny, they actually may have had a good character and a potentially good arc for them. Particularly when she was having the "pity party". That could have been a moment where the protag becomes a little more self aware and owns that they are a prick.
@ebpthiccpapayas8724
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping the she became the villain. Like the shitty character could’ve had purpose in the end. Imagine ending that world then final cutscene is her going home hinting at a sequel
@blueflare3848
Жыл бұрын
That’s what I would’ve thought too. When the other character calls her out, it could have been a wake-up call for her. It could’ve been the point where she realizes how awful she has treated people and tries to change.
@anonony9081
Жыл бұрын
Fragile from death stranding is an example of an awesome female character. She's strong and gets shit done but also vulnerable and has her weak points. I don't see why so many writers these days think making a girl super strong and with a really annoying attitude makes them somehow a good lead character. Probably a result of these people living on Twitter and thinking that having a clap back attitude is so cool. Meanwhile it's just cringy in real life and not realistic at all
@tave6202
Жыл бұрын
Horizon Zero Dawn sold millions of copies and has a woman protagonist. An incredibly strong one at that. There are in fact weirdos complaining about her being a woman but the vast majority of people regard them as misogynistic assholes. And Freya in God of War and Ragnarok is another example of a great character that is a woman, is strong and independent, incorporates aspects of womanhood into the story, all without making her unlikable even when she is an antagonist at some point in the story.
@BlitzMaul
Жыл бұрын
It's because of feminism. They feel like they cannot portray a woman as having any bad qualities or appearing weak due to the "patriarchy" so they make them boss bitches
@grundlewizard1775
Жыл бұрын
@@tave6202 The girl in Horizon Zero Dawn sucks. It is a common opinion that she sucks. And not because she's insufferable, but because if the twist at the end of the game was that she was also a robot, I wouldn't even have been faintly surprised. Jesus what a boring character
@tave6202
Жыл бұрын
@@grundlewizard1775 I have played both Horizon games and I am in like three different subreddits for the games. I have no idea what twist you are talking about. And also, Aloy is widely beloved among Horizon fans.
@gvd72
Жыл бұрын
@@grundlewizard1775 Common opinion?
@gustavotavarezlora5261
Жыл бұрын
I haven't played it but the whole vibe of this game just looks like a 8 hour long "They fly now? They fly now"
@theotherjared9824
Жыл бұрын
The marketing people weren't the villains this time. In fact, they did their absolute best with what they had and possibly tried to warn us.
@Kalebsweeten
Жыл бұрын
Plague Tale is an example of an incredibly well written female protagonist. I really hate the “women bad” argument.
@gravedigger4583
Жыл бұрын
I feel like saying "female protagonist" or "male protagonist" is a problem in itself. A protagonist is just that, the main character. The gender shouldn't matter, the character should
@megamanx1291
Жыл бұрын
I hate the term “female protagonists” as a game can always have a main character of any gender always, it’s about the writing, not about the woman
@nGUNNARp
Жыл бұрын
TLOU 2 has a female protagonist who you can even disagree with every decision she makes, and yet you still understand her and care about her. No protagonist needs to be perfect, but you need to at least understand them. edit: and i wasn't even including the female antagonist in that game, who is ALSO understandable. writers are just lazy as fuck
@gozutheDJ
Жыл бұрын
@@nGUNNARp no one is trying to understand this one tho lol
@yarpen26
Жыл бұрын
A Plague Tale was written by a French guy, they still do "old style" writing over there (where you actually have to earn the viewer's sympathy, not just demand it from the start). An American writer would have turned it into an undigestible borefest.
@CarlosRuiz-my2su
Жыл бұрын
"It was a fun world to go through." I love how insincere his voice sounds.
@NikosGinsan
Жыл бұрын
@Patrick39 NO SHUT UP
@J--Dubs
Жыл бұрын
I think it may have been more disappointment than insincerity. There really was potential here in the world and combat visuals like he mentioned, but god damn, it really did not pull it all together.
@BOBINDUN
Жыл бұрын
I mean his voice is always insincere
@SomeTomfoolery
Жыл бұрын
He sounded genuine to me. I appreciate how honest Charlie is when he does these
@Rey-eq4vq
Жыл бұрын
"People don't like female protagonist in games" -🤓 Lara Croft: Cap Samus: Cap Jesse Faden: Cap Femshep: Cap Clementine: Cap Alyx: Cap Chell:
@NoName......
Жыл бұрын
Who said this?
@dressedmaniac
Жыл бұрын
Just got the Chell part, nice.
@x3dfritz0
Жыл бұрын
Forspoken and Velma being released so close together made it worse in my opinion. Two completely different mediums suffering from exactly the same problems
@derekgardner1861
Жыл бұрын
Far left woke ideology?
@aidandix7296
Жыл бұрын
@@derekgardner1861 nah most people regardless of politics dislike velma and forspoken, it suffers from the asshole protagonist thing that's a pale attempt at copying marvel characters
@urbanarmory
Жыл бұрын
@@derekgardner1861 neither character acting like insecure dicks have anything to do with being "woke"
@dfquartzidn6151
Жыл бұрын
@@aidandix7296 marvel characters lmao
@aidandix7296
Жыл бұрын
@@dfquartzidn6151 specifically MCU characters ofc
@Taraku43
Жыл бұрын
I really love how the developers of the game even came out and said you should just listen to a podcast or so while playing the game, cause there really ain't a lot to the game. Since if the devs themself say that, that just shows how unsatisfied they are with it
@hvyarms4496
Жыл бұрын
Haha that's prolly what they did
@bonkgameing
Жыл бұрын
Link?
@chatspam1238
Жыл бұрын
link? Would be hilarious if true.
@Taraku43
Жыл бұрын
Ok I did send a link but it just got deleted again for some reason
@psychotropictraveler514
Жыл бұрын
@@Taraku43 sure buddy..
@charleshardesty1828
Жыл бұрын
5:01 Dude, Charlie! The character is a woman so she is automatically a good character & if you don't think so it's because you don't like women protagonists! Lol! People are crazy!
@maxcarter50
Жыл бұрын
"A lot of shows and games make their protagonist mean without giving them a redemption arc" The issue is that you're not supposed to see that as the protagonist being mean. You're supposed to be on the protagonist's side. This comes from just a disconnect between the writers and actual human interaction.
@accelerator8558
Жыл бұрын
I dont think the one Who write this is even human
@grimmskid8060
Жыл бұрын
I find it fascinating that they go with the twitter version of strong and independent rather than actually being strong and independent
@NeroV1L3
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, she just seems pathetic and insecure, like twitter users.
@Badassdude1234
Жыл бұрын
I like how the game actively tells you to not play the game by having the main character constantly remind you that she doesn't want to do any of this either.
@32BitJunkie
Жыл бұрын
This is a huge problem in a lot of media. If the characters are miserable it bleeds over, especially for games
@Spubbily01
Жыл бұрын
"Did I just make a bad game? Yeah ok I guess I do that now." - Square Enix
@leoncoben6983
Жыл бұрын
Man they've been doing that for awhile. Hell they're still riding on themselves and patting themselves on the back for that awful Final Fantasy movie.
@thetrashcanman7537
Жыл бұрын
@@leoncoben6983 nah they make fire games just not this one
@leoncoben6983
Жыл бұрын
@@thetrashcanman7537 Dude their games are a coin flip, they've completely crashed the Life is Strange series and the only thing more disappointing than KH3 was finding out Santa doesn't exist.
@smolpp585
Жыл бұрын
You new to Square Enix? They aren't strangers to making bad games.
@thetrashcanman7537
Жыл бұрын
@@leoncoben6983 that’s two games? Both for kids which I am not they make great games and have a bunch of classics under their belt I don’t care about some spin off garbage and some disney game people were expecting too much out of
@Ulva0
Жыл бұрын
Crosscode is a game that is the perfect example of an INCREDIBLE female protagonist
@vibevizier6512
Жыл бұрын
LEA CROSSCODE MY FUCKING BELOVED Shes so funny and silly and its great
@maslnaa
Жыл бұрын
poor thing needs words programmed into her to speak and she still has more development and charm than frey
@TuShan18
10 ай бұрын
Hi
@Ritokure
Жыл бұрын
The _"you wouldn't mind Frey if she was male"_ is so dumb because it wasn't that long ago since people collectively hated a self-centered, snarky, immature male narcissist with awful dialogue that never truly grows as a person as the main character of a videogame. But then again, I shouldn't be really that surprised that no one remembers YIIK in current year. I expect Forspoken to be the same in about a year or so.
@unimportantcommenter4356
Жыл бұрын
You mean Mitchell from Hunt Down the Freeman?
@huntsman0865
Жыл бұрын
to be fair, i dont think compareing big budget triple aaa dev FORSPOKEN to small indie game crowed sourced with youtube VAs YIIK is a very fair comperison. But I do get the point you are making.
@1ProAssassin
Жыл бұрын
U can just look at how ppl particularly hated Noctis from FF15 because he was a self-centered, immature (male
@kiracaroso
Жыл бұрын
@@huntsman0865 I have to disagree. Money does not play a part in the ability to write a character to be likable. If it was anything regarding visuals or even mechanics of the game, you would have a point. But on the face of a halfway decent character (or lack thereof in both cases) money is near meaningless.
@huntsman0865
Жыл бұрын
@kiracaroso hire better writers? Hire someone proven and professional? What are you talking about "money doesn't effect writing." Of course it does. Go look at a well respected/like peice of media, look at the credits and poach some writers.
@iseeyounoobs
Жыл бұрын
I like how the developers say the game will take 30 hours skipping everything and 70 hours with all the sidequests but then chad Charlie arrives and does it in 8.
@RPGmancer
Жыл бұрын
Maybe the developers were game journalists and couldn't lower the difficulty to suit their skill level.
@carnage6968
Жыл бұрын
and that was on hard while doing some dungeons. you could probably run through it in 5 hours without trying. what's funny is that no glitch speedrun probably won't be that much faster either, since most of the time spent on this game has you waiting forcefully.
@N.o.r.m
Жыл бұрын
The best example of an amazingly written character that you're not suppose to like but then over time it changes, is bojack horseman. That show hit that nail perfectly
@unlucky_thir13en
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, Bojack was amazing because he was terrible from the get-go but humanized more than any human character in spite of all his flaws. And then there are shows like Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Archer, and Venture Bros that sort of make you dislike characters even more over time, but that's intended by design. But I don't get the impression that the Forspoken devs were going for either approach 💀
@drunkenhobo5039
Жыл бұрын
Classic British comedies also have characters (often the main ones) you're not supposed to like, but they're done well and they usually suffer the consequences. Blackadder, Bottom, The Young Ones, Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers etc. I can't imagine making a video game about Arnold Rimmer and trying to play him off as somebody you're supposed to root for.
@hectoradriano3814
Жыл бұрын
Tony Soprano too. You want to root and sympathize for them. You want them to change but you realize at the end of the show that they won’t (or choose not to) change.
@champiggyfrm_pig5271
Жыл бұрын
This for me is Re:zero. At the start he was one of the most infuriating mc I'd ever seen and it took me a month to finish the first six episodes. And then in 6 episode he became a character you only hope for him to be truly happy
@patron8597
Жыл бұрын
What I find weird and a bit fascinating about the game is how it has a very American-created opening and main character, but the world's design and even the animations during cutscenes look so Japanese-made.
@ea_naseer
Жыл бұрын
Cartoons: American writing, animation made in Korea. Yeah it's normal most of the time.
@EldenLord1142
Жыл бұрын
like a worst kappa mikey
@luketfer
Жыл бұрын
@@ea_naseer Or created/written in France, animated in Korea, dubbed in America. Happens with a surprising amount of cartoons, especially during the 80s and 90s.
@MollyHJohns
Жыл бұрын
The developer is the same one that made Final Fantasy, but idk which game it is. The same team.
@dmurray2978
Жыл бұрын
Mix modern America with anything and it turns to crap
@yourbasicninja
Жыл бұрын
the dialogue in this game sounds like what a student in a creative writing class in high school would write.
@NotSoSerious69420
Жыл бұрын
Honestly they could and would probably do better.
@r.daneel.90
Жыл бұрын
And that student is a resentful, hateful person who thinks everyone is against him just because.
@allymarks2708
Жыл бұрын
This is truly a game of 2023
@SkylarTrahan
Жыл бұрын
Holy bots
@justsomegoosewithinterneta4199
Жыл бұрын
Nah bro. It's definitely one of the games of all time
@Crumpet_Central_
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being my new News 12 Charlie
@xenaow
Жыл бұрын
truly one the games of all time
@Saul_Ferguson
Жыл бұрын
Of 2022+1
@prathamgupta1653
Жыл бұрын
In the defense of the devs they did an accurate portrayal of a New Yorker
@frofrozzty
Жыл бұрын
I watched my buddy play the first couple hours and I literally said "the MCU has ruined dialogue". It's crazy how much recent media suffers from the writing staff being detached, like they do the bare minimum when it comes to the art of writing and what they do is all just... Bad.
@potatohead3323
Жыл бұрын
MCU, Netflix, Legit 90% of commercials you see on TV…. All of the media. It’s been going on for a while now and people are just that stupid to ever realize what’s actually going on.
@Ollybollyk
Жыл бұрын
@@potatohead3323 It's not stupidity, it's not giving a shit because you're more concerned about paying rent.
@TimmyStreams
Жыл бұрын
I miss when the MCU still had a heart
@NC-gx3zt
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, americans like to ruin everything... thanks by the way
@djbubblegum9975
Жыл бұрын
Man, it's crazy that Square used to be THE storytellers of videogames. If it said Square on the box, 99% of the time you knew the story was absolute heat. Sad that it's been so long since they've had that reputation
@Waltersop
Жыл бұрын
They’re still very solid when it’s about Japanese/anime like characters, they just need to stop pandering to America , it never works
@SuperRamos619
Жыл бұрын
SE is still pretty good. But it's not the 90s anymore, the company have many ongoing projects. Some will hit, and some will miss. I already knew before even playing the game exactly what kind of game this would be. Bad story, fun gameplay. And sadly if your game had a bad story/character, no matter how fun it might be, if you can't buy into the character you play as, the game just won't win people over.
@smoothduck7151
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperRamos619 SE hasn’t put anything good out in over 10 years stop the cap.
@CrizzyEyes
Жыл бұрын
Nah Square's executive branch has been absolutely moronic for the past several years. There's no mistaking it. Remember when they blamed all their problems on their Western studios and then sold them off for a hilariously undervalued $300 million? Yeah.
@demoncat5322
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperRamos619 se has been trash for so long stop it with the fantasy
@MerryTheJerryKun
Жыл бұрын
Even the main villain has to tell Frey to be more polite to other characters.
@flyingcucumber9325
Жыл бұрын
Wait is this fcking real 😂😂😂
@MerryTheJerryKun
Жыл бұрын
@@flyingcucumber9325 It's before he reveals himself as evil, to be fair, but yeah.
@pokerface4396
Жыл бұрын
@@MerryTheJerryKun but he really didn't have to do that. Frey could care less about what he had to say in general, so he could have just stayed silent or talked about other things, but he chose to call her out on being a bitch.
@jacobtrost5048
Жыл бұрын
I think growing up under extremely difficult circumstances like the main character did is a good excuse for them to be an ass in the beginning of the game, but yeah they need to have some development at some point. I actually liked the conversation between her and the other girl when that girl's dad died. It started out like it was going to be a conversation that made the protagonist think and realize how selfish they were being, but at the end of it she was just like, "Alright, yup, screw this place. I'm out." It was the perfect opportunity for some growth and they just hit the snooze button on that.
@NotSoSerious69420
Жыл бұрын
The whole story is just a snooze. Could’ve done almost literally anything else and it would’ve been better
@iamepic6726
Жыл бұрын
It’s not that big of an excuse. Thousands of people grow up in the same or worse circumstances and aren’t half as rude as this girl is written to be.
@jacobtrost5048
Жыл бұрын
@@iamepic6726 well and some people grow up with a silver spoon in their mouth and end up as serial killers. Everyone's different, but if you want to write a character that people can connect to then they need to develop from that asshole in the beginning to an actual hero by the end. And at the end she says she THOUGHT she could be a hero, but all of her actions are about abandoning the people that need her so she can go back to her crappy life. It's a lot of tell, don't show when it comes to her changing as a character, what little she did.
@ww-pw6di
Жыл бұрын
New York isn't "extremely difficult circumstances" despite all the dick riding.
@jacobtrost5048
Жыл бұрын
@@NotSoSerious69420 yeah, as soon as you say "Hey this girl has no idea who her parents are," and then she gets whisked away to another world, having her parents be from that world is like...the most obvious thing ever. I laughed so hard when Charlie straight guessed, "IS THE DRAGON HER MOM?"
@Damooooooo
Жыл бұрын
Forspoken seems like the kind of game that if I played I would let Frey die intentionally due to how horrible she is as a person.
@NeroNyte
Жыл бұрын
My favorite character of all time is Zuko from Avatar, so yeah it's entirely possible to have a character start as an asshole and become a likable character, they just really didn't know how or didn't even think they needed to. The scene with her and the other girl trying to out-victim her is so fucking weird, cause you're like "Surely this is where she'll think about how she's been acting" but no, she doubles down on it, and then in such a short time later has the audacity to say "I thought I was finally going to be the hero, but the rug gets pulled out from under me again, like always." Just, ugiurgshgh
@Theyungcity23
Жыл бұрын
She literally is the hero. Shes literally waging war against evil in there world. You guy are acting like she says that and then just walks away and the world is consumed by evil. A character can say something and show that they didn't mean it by their actions.
@LuckyMrAsHat
Жыл бұрын
@@Theyungcity23 That's not the point. The point is that she's an asshole.
@Frank-li8uj
Жыл бұрын
Yep I was dying at every scene of her dialogue, truly the most unlikable and cringe character I have ever experienced
@halo3ratt
Жыл бұрын
@@Theyungcity23 That’s the most annoying thing to do for like 60 hours or however long this game can be with it being an.. RPG? “You’re so fucking annoying” *gives you something* but we’re still friends? no the fuck we ain’t.
@Zero-qn8mk
Жыл бұрын
@@Theyungcity23 say what you want doesn't change the fact that the protag annoying af.
@armed_but_blind2768
Жыл бұрын
Why don't they have a shy protagonist who doesn't believe in themselves then comes out of their shell and makes friends along the way. Yeno something people can relate to
@arctic_phoenix9936
Жыл бұрын
Honestly they just as well could have made Frey interesting/likeable with her initial setup too. Having her be a cynical asshole at first that learns to enjoy the beauty of the world around her. Learn to love the generous people that believe in her. Like this ain't the most original character or anything, but it shows good growth, a character that can start off as narcissistic becoming a defender for the people because she truly loves what those people represent is a very solid character journey. God even at the end with what Charlie was talking about, they easily could have written her character to remember her past and the sorrow she felt by her hard upbringing and sympathize with the girl instead, but reassuring her that she still has her. Holy shit how did they flop this so bad 💀
@youwantmyname9208
Жыл бұрын
Because there would be alot of cliché, or maybe that's what I think
@arctic_phoenix9936
Жыл бұрын
@@youwantmyname9208 Cliche =/= bad writing, it's all about execution
@smashrosa8111
Жыл бұрын
That's even worse. Going with some basic uninteresting story
@spottedslash4256
Жыл бұрын
Too anime i'd say. But it didn't have to be ...this.
@hexginnkgo
Жыл бұрын
For those who may say that critiquing the writing for being so bad because they don't like women, this same shit happened in Stranger of Paradise with Jack. It was just as hated there. Completely unlikable characters with terrible personalities, motivations and dialogue. Their gender doesn't matter, the writing does. We need to stop letting these execs who think they know "what the kids like" or whoever is writing all of this dialogue endlessly live on Twitter.
@aithjawcraig9876
Жыл бұрын
I think to them, the characters seem interesting because they're not making the same choices that your average RPG protagonist would make, therefore making then seem morally complex? But the result is very much the opposite because it isn't thought through enough.
@zephyromega3077
Жыл бұрын
Jack FinalFantasy is actually the greatest video game character of all time, thank you very much
@NeoSpira
Жыл бұрын
Jack was entertaining tho
@Halaa_
Жыл бұрын
Jack was at least entertaining. If you want a better example I would point to Alex from YIIK.
@LegallyBlindGaming727
Жыл бұрын
@@Halaa_ Yeah that guy was oooooof
@atlasbluejay
Жыл бұрын
There’s so many better examples of strong female protagonists with actual struggles and developments over Frey. Amicia De Rune is a more recent one who genuinely goes through so much in the name of love for her brother and even occasionally loses herself to the violence, bloodlust, and horrible people in the world in a believable and well-written way.
@mrawesome3296
Жыл бұрын
I understand her being shitty because she was mistreated her whole life. But she should’ve had some really nice character development instead of just suddenly changing at the very end
@patrickripleyiii134
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, jerk characters dont suck, only if they are jerks for no reason and dont grow reasonably
@serene-illusion
Жыл бұрын
Legitimately you can make jerk characters good so long as you give them proper character development and writing. Since this was an Square Enix game I would've at least thought they would've brought a "power of friendship" arc for Frey. As generic JRPG plot as it is, it's at least more bearable than what we got. She spat in the faces of the only ones who cared about her, and then proceeds to kill final boss with the help of her mother and her mom's crew and ta da she saved the world. She learned absolutely nothing, and her victory was absolutely hollow.
@MamaSymphonia
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that shift from being all "I don't care if you and everyone you loves dies" to "I am the hero of Athia and it's my job to save everyone" happens literally in one scene. There's no development, no moment of realization or introspection, no apologies to the people she almost doomed to a horrible fate. It's like the devs suddenly realized they were out of money and had to ship the game when they were halfway done.
@zoomcat5138
Жыл бұрын
It’s also giving people who grew up in rough conditions justification to be an asshole to everybody, which is completely counterintuitive to one’s own personal growth as well as just alienating ones self from everyone around them. Representation matters in video games. One group that does not need to be represented are the people that need to make their own problems everyone else’s.
@roozbeh6999
Жыл бұрын
@@vivifell that's a lazy excuse for a lazy writing
@Edomatic
Жыл бұрын
I just feel bad for Ella Balinska (the actor playing Frey) hope she can get a potentially better role in a future game These replies are wild 💀
@shaggymofo7716
Жыл бұрын
Me too, her last 2 big project ended in flops, Charlie Angel and resident evil, now this. Feel bad for her.
@christianvazquez2587
Жыл бұрын
absolutely not, she sucks she 's literally just playing the same character as she did in the re series
@mnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmmmmmmmmmm230
Жыл бұрын
Why? Why does she deserve anything better
@ebpthiccpapayas8724
Жыл бұрын
Lol found the people who just hate the female lead ^^^^^^
@mycycleminorities
Жыл бұрын
She just needs to get in something that ain't got baby piss writing
@davidspooner4582
Жыл бұрын
Aloy in Horizon can be rude and snarky but it's mostly to the bad guys, she's kind and caring to her friends though and that's what makes her a good protagonist.
@TSketch684
Жыл бұрын
I was just about to bring up Aloy. She's a good female protagonist without being ass and absolutely unbearable to listen to
@chipstick3856
Жыл бұрын
@@JD-773 out of curiosity what does being “woke” mean to you? If you’re using it in the context of progressive groups being “woke” doesn’t that mean you are “asleep”?
@adrianbrodin1319
Жыл бұрын
@@JD-773 the worst take
@ThatIckyGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@chipstick3856 JD is just a bad troll. Not worth a response.
@Scythera99
Жыл бұрын
@J D Horizon is over rated trash, gotta love modern times, people are like raccoons, loving and eating up all the garbage.
@vaantsy
Жыл бұрын
during the "i just moved shit with my mind" dialogues the bracelet just said the best way it can to Frey. "i just keep hearing I, I, I"
@JioVega
Жыл бұрын
Did Mindy Kapling write the dialogue? Kratos literally rips hermes' legs off just to get a pair of boots and he's still way more likeable than Frey. His rage towards the gods is at least justified, but Frey is so bitter and resentful because of her past and clearly is unwilling to accept herself or apologize to the people she takes her anger out on. Makes me appreciate the silent protagonist so much more
@atheistpriest6665
Жыл бұрын
Even then Hermes probably would've made it if he would've shut the fuck up kratos told him he wasn't interested in fighting him until he was taunted lol.
@justina2225
Жыл бұрын
not mention kratos gets actual character development and eventually learns that his actions have consequences and tries to be a better person despite his past actions. From what i can tell Frey just remains the same rude whiny jerk the entire game and doesn't even attempt to change.
@ninjafrog6966
Жыл бұрын
And even then, Kratos had no interest in killing Hermes until he decided to run his mouth off. Hermes honestly would’ve probably gotten to live had he not intentionally tried to antagonize kratos
@axis1247
Жыл бұрын
Kratos wasnt as mad as Spiteful as Frey is and he had GOOD reasons to be that pissed. Hell Hercules, Pandora, Hermes, Athena and several other gods he was totally willing to spare until they pissed him off individually.
@godofwar234regi5
Жыл бұрын
@@axis1247 Pandora didn't do anything to piss him off.
@HickoryBill
Жыл бұрын
I think they did a really good job portraying someone with borderline personality disorder getting magical powers
@LHZOZ777
Жыл бұрын
Wtf man why would you say that
@OgSuda
Жыл бұрын
@@LHZOZ777 It's true
@redjayyz6066
Жыл бұрын
They did a good job capturing someone who’s literally insane obtaining superpowers in a fantasy world
@GM-hh2hf
Жыл бұрын
5:21 What Charlie said is valid. People loved the hell out of Life Is Strange because the game had a compelling story with writing that made sense. The biggest complaints from the players of Forspoken is the janky writing that repeats itself, contradicts itself and generally makes the player lose interest. ... I said the story was compelling and the writing made sense. Never did I say LIS was godtier while I sat on the crapper typing away. The reason I picked this example up for comparison was because of the similarly flawed characters in each title - Dontnod just did a better job of framing their story, and you had the choice to kill off Chloe in the end. None of her bullshit, clean slate for LIS 2 to start from.
@ags8507
Жыл бұрын
life is strange having good writting? lol
@MontySlython
Жыл бұрын
@@ags8507 right? Only reason it was popular was the way the gameplay was framed, the quirky writing and the interesting power it revolves around, people gravitate to art project style games
@jackcassidy9963
Жыл бұрын
@@MontySlython Not really, the game was popular because it had an emotional story and an interesting journey
@richogarden
Жыл бұрын
It's really ironic that you said that, considering the fact that Chloe is literally Frey! Both of them are boring, unlikable, egocentric and rude for no reason characters, that you can't really sympathize with 🤭
@jackcassidy9963
Жыл бұрын
@@ags8507 LiS had janky dialog no doubt (Because it was made by French people) but it made up for it in its story and characters. Pretty much every sequel and prequel after that was just dog water
@ramenpower8097
Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing 30%
@nysreme7
Жыл бұрын
🦪
@midknightshade330
Жыл бұрын
Not quite
@Pain-rh1qg
Жыл бұрын
25%
@why_tho_
Жыл бұрын
45% apparently
@iggypikminunderly782
Жыл бұрын
Close
@LocrianDorian
Жыл бұрын
The reason why they can't write likeable characters is because the writers these days are themselves insufferable and usually don't know how normal people behave because they only operate within a very small circlejerk of like minded individuals.
@CevicheGato
Жыл бұрын
That would make sense
@jordanwhite352
Жыл бұрын
This.
@Tobythecatrocks
Жыл бұрын
They need to read comments like this but they don't
@MAX-de8fe
Жыл бұрын
"The characters are insufferable, so the writers must be insufferable." No, maybe they're just bad writers who are confused about how to make a main character likable. Wtf is this armchair psychology? Stop trying to diagnose the writers as if you know anything about them. Just say they suck at writing.
@jordanwhite352
Жыл бұрын
@@MAX-de8fe Why not both?
@anthonymcmillan1139
Жыл бұрын
Great review, I also find it funny that people act like female-focused games don’t exist prior to the current one. You can look at Aloy from Horizon, Bayonetta or Senua from Hellblade to show that female-led games can be successful if they are handled properly. I give Square some points for not just giving us remakes but I think Western writers are doing a lot of damage to media as a whole and I hope more companies start taking notice.
@TheDapperDragon
Жыл бұрын
You can see that all the time with these people. Every bit of media is 'the first x'
@EveTheRaviolo
Жыл бұрын
you reminded me, when horizon 2 came out, for TWO WEEKS all i was getting in online articles and gaming groups was guys complaining about Aloy having "facial hair" LMAO (aka the graphics being so good that you could see the slight barely visible facial peachy hair that humans have). I swear on god, more than two weeks of costant posts of guys saying that giving aloy "facial hair" was "feminist agenda", "woke culture" and "politically correctness ruining today's games" lmao
@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime
Жыл бұрын
Both eastern and western developed games can have bad and grating writing. You sound like the kinda guy to say AtlA is overrated cause it isn’t technically anime.
@randomperson093
Жыл бұрын
This people forget that samus aran exists?she's a pretty beloved character so no it's definitely on the writers for making frey such a big asshole not people not liking female characters
@rawrdino7046
Жыл бұрын
Why you gotta forget about Samus or Lara croft
@ChippNDipp
Жыл бұрын
It sounds like she's another strong independent self-insert. It says a lot about the writers. I'm not interested in giving these people any money.
@UltimateDillon
Жыл бұрын
Not a chance. The directors were Japanese men and the writing team was all white. The problem is them having no idea how to write a black woman
@roozbeh6999
Жыл бұрын
You are doing the right thing not giving these people money
@drunkenhobo5039
Жыл бұрын
Maybe that explains the attitude. These people were jerks that nobody liked and they blame the other people for it. So they make a character that's also a jerk but is actually cool and popular. Because they don't see their own problems.
@albertmonsieur7832
Жыл бұрын
same here i might try a game like this for free but i won't even spend 10$ for this
@thegaminggecko1212
Жыл бұрын
I REALLY like this game….in theory. It had SO MUCH going for it that could’ve been cool, and seemed so SO promising. But it all just fell so flat instead, it’s a shame. Felt like they had all the right ingredients, but they forgot to pre heat the oven. Great ideas, just none of it was executed well AT ALL
@Dat_Dude
Жыл бұрын
They forgot to turn on the oven
@thegaminggecko1212
Жыл бұрын
@@Dat_Dude haha bro fr
@Speieds
Жыл бұрын
Forspoken is truly one of the games of all time.
@TheHermitZ
Жыл бұрын
@YeaMan dislike the song
@hsundthhzthn985
Жыл бұрын
@YeaMan 240 is so close to 4 k lmao
@lilmsmischief69
Жыл бұрын
Oh its definitely a game.... made during some time.
@firstnamelastname816
Жыл бұрын
You're the first person to do this joke
@NerevarineKing
Жыл бұрын
It wins the award for being a video game released in 2023.
@Prime_DW3G
Жыл бұрын
It reminded me of telltale games where if you choose all the bad options it wasn’t gonna change the story at all, except the game just does it for you
@Ponyeta
Жыл бұрын
this game's target audience is "gamer" journalists
@danieln6700
Жыл бұрын
That's probably why the combat is so easy
@RoboBreaker
Жыл бұрын
"I just moved shit, with my mind!" That line alone says everything about this high-price, low-class game
@chicagoe6822
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 man this game is amazing im loving it. Dialogue is cringey like duke nukem, but man this was the infamous successor the industry needed. I feel like goku flying around whooping ass
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