Great video. I had the Soundworks 4.1 speakers for years and they were pretty good, but I feel you're overselling them. I moved to a logitech z680 5.1 speaker set and it's SO much better! I've since moved onto AVR's with a variety of home theatre speakers and subwoofer's over the years which put both those to shame. I mean, enjoy those speakers, but I wouldn't encourage anyone to seek them out when there's loads of better alternatives available.
@alaricjeard269
3 жыл бұрын
Normaly 1024*768 sould run great on this machine. What is your 3d mark 2000 score with it so we can compare to my P3 450 and V3 2000 at home
@jinxterx
3 жыл бұрын
TNT2 and even faster CPU would do the trick at 1024x768 maybe.
@molivil
Жыл бұрын
That Half-Life performance doesn't look quite right... I used to always get ~45-60fps with my Voodoo 2 (at 800x600) and a 600MHz system. On the V3 3000, I'd think it should be at least the same at 1024x768
@PixelPipes
3 жыл бұрын
REALLY nice system!
@ohsoretro5612
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Was a really fun build!
@freediverhd
6 ай бұрын
I think your issue with performance is you pumping the res too high. mid to late 90's for 640x480 for me at least. shifting to 1024x768, especially for gaming, was something that I only remember starting with things like the Riva Tnt 2
@Erik.Lundberg
2 жыл бұрын
Half-Life does support MiniGL but not Glide.
@gnarlykoala
Жыл бұрын
This was part of my youth! I also had a pc running a voodoo 3 3000 agp that time. Great video, this deserves more views!
@SharkBait_ZA
3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching Matrix on these speakers!
@Caleb-fv5fp
2 жыл бұрын
Just get a Pentium iii 600
@jbolleman74
3 жыл бұрын
You might have forgotten to install the chipset (mainboard) drivers? Performance is below avarage for a system like this. Some tweaks in the BIOS might also help.
@ohsoretro5612
3 жыл бұрын
Love your nick btw, ChickenLips! I did install the generic intel 440bx chipset drivers from Intel because I didnt have any kind of abit driver package, so maybe there is some issue there? I also watched a video from Phils computer lab about the SB Live! and apparently, some of the drivers can cause big drops in FPS, so thats something to play around with in the future I think. Thanks for the comment!
@pavlearsic9367
2 жыл бұрын
I got my hands on rare Pentium 2 450 mhz procesor , motherboard Chaintech CT-6BTA3 , 128 mb sd ram , Nvidia tnt2 m64 32 mb with driver version 2.08 , Sound blaster audigy SB 60, directx 7. I instaled windows 98 se . Half-Life 1 work 30-72 FPS on 800x600 resolution .Some direct3d games crashes computer. I'm trying to get 3dfx voodoo 3 2000 agp 16mb vram. I would make some videos of my old P2 system :) Greetings from Serbia :D
@ohsoretro5612
2 жыл бұрын
Nice build for sure, hope you can get a V3 soon - nothing beats voodoo :)
@Stermy57HW
3 жыл бұрын
2:25 Quake 2. Frame issue you discovered are definitely CPU weakness. You knew the solution! At the very beginning of your content, you talked about how fast hardware can be obsolete few months after. If you want to cover from 1997 to late 1999 gaming era, I will go for 1ghz Coppermine/ Tualatin or AMD SLOT A Pluto/Thunderbird.
@lobobaltazar1322
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. From time to time, I was wondering about a pc game with planes I had as a kid. Looong time ago. It was Red Baron. Today I finally know :) I had S3 trio 64 with I think 4 mb of ram, later paired with Voodoo 2 8 mb. Man I played Blood 2 on it, and it was sooo fast :)
@Tatarus31
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's very nice to see a retro machine paired with such a high end CRT monitor. Not every retro hardware channel bothers to use and film one of those
@dim0n1
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, trumps up for this video, you really reminds me those nice times, and most funny, you reminds me, why i turned off a TOCA 2 after a few seconds, it was because of engine sound 10:56 :D
@l337pwnage
Жыл бұрын
I played a lot of NFS 3 & 4 back then. Had a special controller similar to what you would use for a radio controlled toy car. I also borrowed one those force feedback wheels from a friend once. Nice experience, those things are STRONG, almost tipped over the little computer desk I had, but not as easy to play the game with as a simple trigger style controller. Not sure if the large monitor size would make a difference or not. You'd think just the resolution would, but I don't know. I didn't catch what frame rates you were looking for, but what was "good" then certainly is much less than what is expected now. A buddy of mine just upgraded his machine from "only" 200 FPS to now hitting 500 in quiet parts of the shooter he plays. Sure, it's cool to have a video card with a bigger radiator than the one in a car, but it's hardly needed, lol. (edit) Forgot to mention that I did not know about the Cambridge Soundworks PC speakers back then, but I was aware of them from audiophile circles. Never had a chance to try them out, but I did consider them.
@remasteredretropcgames3312
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine the day someone decides to take the exact architecture but at modern lithography including the memory modules. Arbitrarily clocked at OEM, but if you want to...... I mean its one way to carry the legacy of the ancients forward. Scientifically.
@si4632
Жыл бұрын
na chuck in a GeForce ddr they hit the shelves in late 1999 i believe
@remasteredretropcgames3312
3 жыл бұрын
Ah the days when our stem cell levels were off the charts. Of course we love the imprinting process on our favorite silicone workhorsies. As if we were baby ducks bro. Quack quack.
@Edmundostudios
3 жыл бұрын
When do you think it was that PC gaming would have been considered affordable to the masses? These days you could buy(would say build but not possible atm) a system £/€/$1000 or less and it last 5 years easily but I don’t remember it being like that until at least the late 00’s.
@soylentgreenb
Жыл бұрын
Alien versus predator was a very big game at the time. Now it seems to be dimly remembered.
@DjRewolution
3 жыл бұрын
voodoo 3 really need more performance CPU!
@Caleb-fv5fp
2 жыл бұрын
Do you think a slot one 800mhz Pentium iii would be enough to remove any perceivable bottle necking? Also my pc has 512mb of ram just to be safe. I think those specs will be able to unleash the voodoo 3’s true potential. Right now I’m using a GeForce, but I can’t wait to replace it and play some glide games!
@si4632
Жыл бұрын
not really no id say its a good match although a geforce would be better than getting a slighty faster cpu
@si4632
Жыл бұрын
anything over 700mhz should have a geforce 2 lol
@si4632
Жыл бұрын
the orginal xbox has a 733mhz pentium 3 and a geforce 4 ffs
@coreykirkpatrick4392
Жыл бұрын
Definitely CPU bottlenecked.
@lactobacillusprime
3 жыл бұрын
Sadly my Cambridge amp did develop a hum… 🙁
@KyoshoLP
Жыл бұрын
I had a Voodoo 3 3000 back in the day, and your performance results are exactly how it ran, then, too. The Voodoo 3 was a 640x480 powerhouse, but anything higher and it was always a crap shoot. 800x600 in some games was doable, as you discovered, but 1024x768 was bad in just about any game except really early stuff like Quake 1 (or 2D games). I always ran my games in 640x480, but I've always been a performance over eye candy sort of guy, though. I think if you retest these at 640x480, you'd find it a far more enjoyable experience. Maybe you can do better putting it in a much faster system (people like throwing them in Pentium 4s, etc.), as everyone is suggesting, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with your setup, here. Fun video, regardless.
@ohsoretro5612
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I
@3dfxvoodoocards6
Жыл бұрын
That’s most probably because you used a slow CPU like an AMD K6-2 or 300 mhz Celeron. The Voodoo 3 3000 runs ALL 1998-1999 games with high FPS at 1024x768. Q2 - 84 fps, Unreal - 58 fps, Q3 - 50 fps, and so on.
@KyoshoLP
Жыл бұрын
@@3dfxvoodoocards6 Pentium 2 350mhz in a 440BX Slot 1 board. Can't recall how much RAM. I know at one point I maxed the motherboard out to 512MB, but can't recall what I started with. Anyway, the CPU was not slow for the time, but admittedly it wasn't the absolute top end, either. I'm talking just before Pentium III. But yes, with a faster CPU, I'm certain it would make a difference. I'm just not sure how much of one.
@KyoshoLP
Жыл бұрын
@@3dfxvoodoocards6 Actually, looking at release dates now, I think I bought the Voodoo 3 just after the Pentium III came out. Still, not a slouch of a CPU at the time.
@IronicTonic8
Жыл бұрын
I had a pc just like this back in the day. Went from a P2 450MHz and Voodoo3 to P3 800MHz and GeForce2 GTS. You’ll see significant improvement from both a CPU upgrade and GPU upgrade. They’re both factors in holding back performance. A fast P3 and GeForce2 will be a true 1024x768 machine.
@IronicTonic8
7 ай бұрын
@TC-mk1tc I'll assume that you're targeting Windows 98 games and probably not DOS. The pc parts I described are quite expensive and rare now, so unless you want to pay a ton of money I'd recommend going with an early Pentium 4 system for a Windows 98 gaming pc. You want to make sure you get an intel chipset, optimally the i865. This will support DDR memory and a wide range of Pentium 4 cpu's. The vast majority of i865 motherboards are socket 478, and you should be able to use just about any socket 478 cpu. I'd opt for a cpu between 2.4ghz and 3.2ghz with a front side bus (FSB) speed of either 533mhz or 800mhz. Make sure the system or motherboard you get has an AGP slot for a graphics card. For the graphics card you want to choose a Geforce2 GTS with 32mb of memory. You could also go with the Geforce4 Ti 4200 which has more power. For RAM, don't go over 512mb otherwise you'll have stability problems with Windows 98 and while it is possible to mod Windows to support it, it's more of a hassle and simply isn't necessary. You should be fine with either 256mb or 512mb of RAM. For the sound card you want a Sound Blaster Live card. There's a bunch of variations of this sound card so I'd look at the information on VOGONS for selecting the right model. VOGONS has a wealth of information if you want to go down the rabbit hole. That should get you started.
@AsurmenHandOfAsur
3 жыл бұрын
A nice cameo by UFO chicken!
@Pickle136
3 жыл бұрын
so my original bought machine around this era was a athlon 1.2 ghz. I went from voodoo 3 to NV GF3 to ati 9600.My sound used to be a phillips acoustic edge, but ive recently upgraded that to a audigy 2 ZS (i also tried out the live 5.1). I moved the voodoo 3 into a p200mmx build. GF3 is homeless, but i did try it out recently on the athlon. So you might look into the audigy 2 ZS for a sound improvement.
@overnxted
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Waiting for new videos!!!
@ohsoretro5612
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@StigDesign
3 жыл бұрын
Subbed Thanks to RetroSpector78 :D Love your videos especially history and technical details :D
@ohsoretro5612
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words and the sub! Hope you enjoy the future videos!
@StigDesign
3 жыл бұрын
@@ohsoretro5612 :D
@BadManiac
3 жыл бұрын
I have a nice set of Altec Lansing 2.1 speakers with a wooden subwoofer, it also sounds amazing, agree a good sound system is worth it. I use a Yamaha XG soundcard in my Windows 98 build, Also has a fantastic midi font, as well as support for both EAX and A3D, sounds amazing! But I bought an, arguably quite expensive, DreamBlaster X2 midi wavetable card, which sounds utterly amazing, I can't begins to explain how good it is. Can't recommend it enough for DOS and Early Windows gaming with midi music.
@Richard.Linder
3 жыл бұрын
Nice! 😀 I also went for Altec Lansing 2.1 speakers. and chose the Diamond Monster MX300 sound card. It too has great MIDI and supports A3D (and later EAX) but i doubt its MIDI can compete with yours. Still, it was a great choice for the time, and still love that card!
@lactobacillusprime
3 жыл бұрын
Optimal PC one month, dead slow the next. That was also what retro gaming on PC was all about back then. It was very hard to keep up. I ended up building and flipping PCs back to keep up back then, always had two machines myself. One just coming in, the other turning secondary and then the oldest one I would be selling off. Set up a computer desk in my living room. Sold the systems as a private seller selling his PC, with the buyers picking them up locally. I always got good prices for them being able to partly support getting newer hardware.
@remasteredretropcgames3312
3 жыл бұрын
@ 07:38 Maybe the workaround im using for Far Cry on my channel can help? Vsync with DX10 hardware is bugged out on literally every driver available to this OS. Screen tearing is unacceptable but its one of the few titles that really runs great on my GTX 280 with 5 ray marching radii and everything else realism inducing. Probably not but it would be interesting if it was a light enough app that it ran just fine on something that old.
@remasteredretropcgames3312
3 жыл бұрын
Nasty, acceptance of screen tearing as not ruining the experience. This is preposterous.
@remasteredretropcgames3312
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah nevermind, registry stuff is involved with rivatuner statistics server so its almost certainly not going to fly. Maybe some super geek can program a custom driver to fix it?
@stevenc22
3 жыл бұрын
This brings up so much nostalgia!
@OkieOrganix
2 жыл бұрын
I had a pentium 233 mmx with a voodoo 3 3000 that I used up until the athlon thunderbird 1.0 ghz came out. Man talk about an upgrade 😂
@3dfxvoodoocards6
Жыл бұрын
A Pentium 233 mhz is way to slow for a Voodoo 2… for a Voodoo 3 it is a JOKE!
@si4632
Жыл бұрын
twaddle@@3dfxvoodoocards6
@Richard.Linder
3 жыл бұрын
Love your channel and your content! It's great to see a fellow South African getting some attention on KZitem. This was my first PC, coming from an Amiga background. I had the same PIII 450 and Voodoo 3 3000, running Windows 98 SE. I used a relatively unknown, but very impressive, Hyundai DeluxScan 9695 19" CRT. While not quite at the level of your awesome ViewSonic, it was still a pretty high end CRT, at a competitive price. It was capable of refresh rates up to 140Hz, went up to 1600 x 1200 and had really great image quality. It had an advanced wheel-controlled OSD menu system, with extensive adjustment options for geometry and custom resolutions. (Which was nice for some of the weird resolutions of older DOS games and emulators.) For sound, I had an Diamond Monster MX300 sound card with Aureal Vortex 2.0 chipset, and full Sound Blaster backward compatibility for all my DOS games. Being able to run DOOM on my first PC was not negotiable! 😀 I paired it with a nice Alec Lansing 2.1 speaker set. As you are discovering, having great sound is a game changer, and really adds to the immersion and the whole experience. Like you, I struggled with running games at 1024 x 768, unless they were older games. It was an agonising decision. They looked so damn good at 1024 x 768, but ran so much better at 800 x 600. But then I discovered an wonderful and unexpected middle ground. The Voodoo 3 card also supported a resolution I had not seen before: 960 x 720. And that Hyundai monitor displayed it perfectly. 😀 That turned out to be a sweet spot for me, when it came to performance and beauty, and I ended up running many of the games that supported it, at 960 x 720. (Not all games did. Glide games were more likely than Direct 3D games. Sometimes I even edited the registry, ini or config files to add it.) Another nice thing about that resolution was the HUD. I found with some games that the HUD was too small at 1024 x 768, but quite large at 800 x 600. Again, 960 x 720 was a great compromise. I ran NFS Porsche at this res, and it looked great. The speedo and rev counter dials just look right, at that size. And the graphics are much crisper that at 800 x 600. I always wondered if it was the CPU or the graphics card that was causing these performance bottle necks and, too often, denying me the coveted 1024 x 768 dream. Unreal Tournament, was one game that looked awesome at 1024 x 768 and I really wanted to be able to run it at that res, with a good frame rate! I'd be really curious to see what your results would be if you swapped out that PIII 450 for a faster CPU. It would also be interesting to compare keeping the 450 and swapping the Voodoo 3 for a faster TNT or GeForce card - and then maybe doing both. I think that would make a great video, that would make really interesting viewing, and would answer a lot of questions for all of us. I already knew, at the time that I bought my Voodoo 3, that Nvidia was coming out with faster cards that could run games in 32 bit colour. But I still chose the Voodoo 3 because of how many great games at the time supported, or ran better on Glide. And since it was my first PC, I wanted the option of running those older titles at their best, as I had no older PC to fall back on. Having been gaming since the 8 bit and 16 bit era, I was already quite a nostalgic gamer, and placed great value on the gaming treasures of the past. I'd love to know how it would have turned out, had I gone with one of the more forward thinking Nvidia options, like maybe a TNT2, Ultra, or any of the more powerful Nvidia options.
@ohsoretro5612
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! Its been a fun journey so far :) Your system sounds pretty amazing for the time, I bet you had many hours of fun with it! Interesting to hear about the 960x720 res, wasn't aware of that one before today, thanks for the tip! I think it definitely is the CPU that is bottlenecking because other KZitemrs like phils computer lab got much better frame rates with the v3 with a faster CPU. I could definitely do a follow-up with a tnt 2 ultra and a faster cpu, but the fastest CPU I have at the moment is only a 650 so I'm not sure how much of a difference that would make.. could be fun to find out though.
@Richard.Linder
3 жыл бұрын
@@ohsoretro5612 Cool
@SharkBait_ZA
3 жыл бұрын
Is there a way I can chat with you?
@ohsoretro5612
3 жыл бұрын
You can mail me at ohsoretro2020@gmail.com
@angieandretti
3 жыл бұрын
Your performance deficit in NFS Porsche is interesting to me. My main retro rig is Pentium III 1GHz w/ Voodoo2 SLI (2x Voodoo2's should have similar graphical performance to one Voodoo3) and I actually get better performance in NFS Porsche versus NFS High Stakes! 1024x768 is viable in both games but performance is better in the later title. I'm thinking the CPU may be your bottleneck there because I also have a Voodoo 3 rig with AMD K6-2+ CPU clocked to 600MHz (similar CPU performance in games to a 350-450MHz Pentium chip) and it struggles to run NFS Porsche at 1024x768, whereas the 1GHz rig w/ Voodoo2's will run it acceptably even with all settings maxed out. If you're not aware, there's also a "hack" that'll increase performance on 3Dfx cards in NFS Porsche, at least it's the case in my American version. Basically the game's config file tells it to run Glide mode ONLY in the case of a Voodoo1, and all later 3Dfx cards default to DirectX. If you open the text file in the \3DSetup directory and edit it so that the Voodoo3 line reads like the Voodoo1 line in terms of renderer, and then re-select your graphics chip with the 3dsetup EXE, you may find that the game magically runs better on the same hardware!
@ohsoretro5612
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thats a great hack that I had never heard of, thanks! I think the CPU is definitely the bottleneck actually because there is a video by phils computer lab where he is running NFS PU on a voodoo3 with a 2ghz cpu and he is getting much better frames than me, and your experience seems to confirm that as well, so I think a CPU upgrade is definitely on the cards.. Thanks for the comment and for watching as well!
@ruxandy
3 жыл бұрын
@@ohsoretro5612 sorry, but you seem to not understand how 3D rendering works and what constitutes a CPU bottleneck. :-) If the performance drops as you increase the resolution, that is a video card bottleneck, NOT a CPU bottleneck. The movement/camera aiming, the scele level calculations (object level culling, create object mesh, etc), the transform (doing 4x4 matrices calculations)... these are all things that don't change much with resolution. In fact, the CPU will generally work LESS as you increase the resolution and the GPU bottleneck starts to kick in.
@si4632
Жыл бұрын
Some games wanted T%L in 2000 that only the geforce and later radeon cards provided
@Kspcs909
3 жыл бұрын
That s an epic build 🤤
@C4nn15
3 жыл бұрын
I had a K6 2 300 for most of 1999 right up till middle of 2000 or so. My voodoo 3 3000 struggled on that chip. I was working on Saturdays and Sundays getting some decent money for a student so I could get some hardware. Also I used to build people's machines and would charge them less if I could keep their old hardware. Worked great as I could get a Soundblaster live as well.
@GoodOlKuro
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes death karz. I'm not sure if that was the name in germany too. I played it from a magazine CD, iirc and I really like the big tanky car that could destroy all opponents. :)
@C4nn15
3 жыл бұрын
I know new comment, but yeah Homeworld was amazing looking. The music as well the whole introduction was like wow.
@JustekGaming
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thanks!
@retromobs6018
3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always!
@spavatch
Жыл бұрын
You complain about the performance a lot. Makes me think there's something wrong with the PC... or it's more of a personal problem :P
@fellipemelo9287
Жыл бұрын
800x600 is the max resolution that a voodoo3 can handle. This is fact.
9:21 No one's left....Everything's gone....Kharak is burning ! Homeworld is masterpiece. First time i saw Homeworld was video trailer on half Life disc and i could not wait until it was relapsed i played Homewood when it was released on P- II 333mhz, and TNT 2 V3800. Very nice build. Thanks for sharing it.
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