Hey everyone, I want to thank all of you for the overwhelming support on this video, I did not expect such positive feedback ❤ Some of the sounds used here actually made it into a sample pack I just released called DEVIANT. If you are interested, you can check it out here, I absolutely love this pack and I hope you will too: thomasdb.gumroad.com/l/deviant
@ThePedalboardOrchestra
2 ай бұрын
One of the best sound demos of the Minitaur here on KZitem. 👍👍👏👏 This little synth is amazing 🖤
@TDB_Music
2 ай бұрын
Thank you, that means a lot! 🙌
@analogmission
Жыл бұрын
This is by far the most interesting Moog Minitaur feature I've ever seen. That's a fine score, as well. I would never have thought to try and get something like this out of the Minitaur, and for that reason, I am sad to see this instrument leave your collection.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, it means a lot coming from you! Really loved that Green Valley performance!
@skazzato1002
Жыл бұрын
@@TDB_Musicyeah, that Green valley performance is great
@pierrechausse3552
Ай бұрын
I also own the Minitaur, but damn!! You just showed how its true power. I need to work so much on it now!
@TDB_Music
Ай бұрын
Thank you, that means a lot! Just program a sequence, and go crazy ;)
@microativhub
3 ай бұрын
this goes super hard
@TDB_Music
3 ай бұрын
Always the goal ☠️
@giselediniz
Жыл бұрын
The world Will turn in a dance floor
@christdolphin69
Жыл бұрын
wow, i love content like this. more of this please
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, that’s very kind!
@jasonchristian8362
8 ай бұрын
never selling amy of my moogs, but you do you. sounds great
@TDB_Music
4 ай бұрын
The regret is definitely present!
@thegreatsiberianitch
Жыл бұрын
Awesome work, the scoring is so great, adds so much tension to the gameplay. I've been wanting a Minitaur for a while. Simple but with so much potential, so universally applicable but so unique. A special little synth indeed.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Little synth with a big sound
@bobbythompson4268
Жыл бұрын
Best way to make purchases like this, I’ve found, is to put back a couple, go online, enter your payment info, and hit submit. Problem solved, the problems created by spending that money will take care of themselves somehow!
@johan9187
Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, this was good. You did well in sqeeuzing all the possible juice out of the minitaur and inspired me to use mine more. If have both the subsequent 37 and an Iridium, these are great synths, but there is magic in the Minitaurs simple workflow.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, this means a lot! I agree that the Minitaur has some magic to it, because of it’s simple architecture, it’s so difficult to make it sound bad. Hope you can have fun with yours again!
@dimass1008
4 ай бұрын
wow! 👏👏👏its really amazing work!!💥
@TDB_Music
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@goodmusic7459
5 ай бұрын
The music is better than the movie :)
@TDB_Music
4 ай бұрын
My editing skills are definitely on the "to be improved" list!
@5lip5pace
Жыл бұрын
Awesome work man! Love the grit
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@Mecoh
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful! I love the sound design, including the use of effects, and the score is pretty solid! It was inspiring, I watched it twice and subscribed the channel, hope to see more like this!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words ❤️ it was a ton of fun to make this score, and it warms my heart that someone else might be enjoying it!
@renevanderkraats3811
6 ай бұрын
Wow....that part from 5:19 to 6:00 was really impressive in composition and sound!
@TDB_Music
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@ricardleandro
Жыл бұрын
Wow! Congratulations on this…very inspiring!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for watching!!
@JimBo-jf2qp
Жыл бұрын
Very nice. I have the Moog Sound Studio trio, and a Behringer Neutron. If you're after something more creative and experimental, I highly recommend the Subharmonicon or the Neutron :) I also just got a Digitone Keys, and to be honest I'm a little overwhelmed by all that it can do! The sound design, sequencing and performance potential in it are HUGE.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
The Moog Trio is also pretty high on my list, especially the combo DFAM-Subharmonicon. I feel like the DFAM would fit my composing style perfectly, lots of percussive loops and bass pulses, it just looks so exciting!
@RockweedAK
Жыл бұрын
@@TDB_Music I’ve got the combo sitting on my desk and have been pretty happy with them. Especially when I run them through some effects. I have to say though, I’ve been missing having a clean lead voice. The mother 32 just didn’t do it for me for some reason. After watching your video, it sounds like the Minotaur could fill that niche nicely.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure I could recommend the Minitaur for leads, because it has a hardware-limited range! No matter what you do, it is not possible to produce sounds higher in pitch than C4 (I think, I’m not sure, but around there). That’s why Moog released the Sirin, which doesn’t have this range limitation. The Minitaur will do fine in the Bass / Mid range, but for Mid / High range, it won’t work. So please check it out before purchasing one!
@JimBo-jf2qp
Жыл бұрын
@@RockweedAK Nice! I'm glad you're enjoying the holy trinity :) What kind of effects do you like to push them through? Also, in what way doesn't the M-32 cut it as a lead for you?
@MrFrattocchia
Жыл бұрын
@@RockweedAK I own and agree regarding M32. If not expanded with one full ADSR at least it sounds always too static, it is thought to be used with more modular gear. With Minitaur you will miss full octave extension and a PWM, but is more expressive than M32, and you can save patches. If was existing a proper expansion with noise, pwm and some cv mod sources in the 0v-5v range, I would have suggested Sirin.
@712Jefferson
Жыл бұрын
Damn, you crushed this. Great work.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! I’m still really happy with how this came out
@davespicer2143
Жыл бұрын
That was bloody brilliant mate!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, that means a lot!
@toskabyss
10 ай бұрын
phenomenal
@TDB_Music
10 ай бұрын
Thank you! That means a lot
@metaspherz
Жыл бұрын
I am very impressed with your skills. You're young, so don't get too critical of your hobby. It might take you 10 years to become an overnight success! Experimenting with new gear can be fun, educational, and productive. Stick to your hobby!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the kind words on the videos! It really means a lot. I think as a hobbyist, it’s important to have gear that inspires you in different directions. I feel like I’m at the point with the Minitaur were I need more experimentation options. But who knows, it might come back in a couple of years!
@giselediniz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks you.. i want one of this. Terrific ALL the effects
@petrfux
Жыл бұрын
Kool! Your raised my heartbeat.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Mission accomplished!
@NikoNoxious
Жыл бұрын
Excited to do something like this with mine and Bigsky. Thanks
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
That sounds like a wonderful combination! Have fun
@matiascastrocomposer
Жыл бұрын
So good! Now I need a Minitaur. Thank you!!!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it! And hope you’ll have fun with the Minitaur if you decide to get one!
@johnpaullovetek1809
Жыл бұрын
Muito interessante e poderosos os sons do Minotauro!
@michaelwalters3908
7 ай бұрын
Great job! Loved it!
@TDB_Music
4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@PrimitiveInTheExtreme
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic Demo 🔝🔝🔝
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!!
@hernannieto1
11 ай бұрын
Amazing. Thanks
@macaronafterparty
10 ай бұрын
Fantastic!
@TDB_Music
4 ай бұрын
Thanks, this means a lot!
@inglorious76
7 ай бұрын
amazing job!
@TDB_Music
4 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@Durosai
Жыл бұрын
Really good stuff man. I love my minitaur so much
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It really is a special synth
@drsamurai009
Жыл бұрын
I've always longed for the bass girth and growl of an OG Taurus, but the prices were just too out there. With the Minitaur and a deep controller like my KMI 12 Step, I finally have THAT bass sound under my feet. For the fullest sounding analog bass, nothing touches it. It may not play scorching high lead sounds, but this was an excellent video example of pushing it's limits and creating a more than full sounding mix, even with the C4 cap. Well done!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m glad someone noticed the cap, because it’s for some reason one of my favorite unintentional features. I love playing chords with that, having the upper octaves wrap up, it just gives a super cool sound. It’s definitely a synth that should be more popular!
@drsamurai009
Жыл бұрын
@@TDB_Music hmmm. I never though of using that octave wrap as a performance feature. I'll have to explore that idea.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
@@drsamurai009 sorry I just realized my mistake, not the octave wrap up but the hard limit. If you tune one oscillator an octave up from the other, then try to break the hard limit, the higher oscillator will stay at C while the other will play normally, giving you the possibility to make “chords”. They sound nasty and I absolutely love making ostinatos like this. Only works in C though
@eafortson
Жыл бұрын
Very impressive dude. Well done.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words!
@DAZMOSROCKS
Жыл бұрын
great sounds
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@pyrexcarrier
Жыл бұрын
So good, congrats!!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@user-ch1dr5tm3i
Жыл бұрын
amazing work
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@LuctaeMusic
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@bobbythompson4268
11 ай бұрын
Sick. Picking mine up tomorrow from guitar center.
@TDB_Music
11 ай бұрын
Hope you’re having fun with it!
@Cysubtor_8vb
Жыл бұрын
Hmm, I have u-he Zebra Legacy and is planning on getting the Moog Minitaur, but hadn't thought about how that combo could get an Hans Zimmer sound 🤣 Nice demo!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
I would recommend getting presets from The Unfinished for Zebra, hands down the best presets for composers!
@KurasWawa
Жыл бұрын
Great job man!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@giselediniz
Жыл бұрын
Amazing
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words!
@NicolasMelis
Жыл бұрын
nice! sounds great
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@milocero
Жыл бұрын
great work
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
14 күн бұрын
Wonderful sounds! Any chance for a walk-through on how you created these patches?
@TDB_Music
14 күн бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! Unfortunately I do not have the synth anymore, but I would recommend a couple of things that I found out during the filming of the video: - the Minitaur does extremely well for percussive sounds, rounting the EG envelope to the pitch of one oscillator and adding some crunch and delay is absolutely wonderful - the Minitaur has a hard pitch limit when the midi reaches a certain high note (I think C5). But that means you can have one oscillator an octave down playing some notes, and the other oscillator stuck at C5 for some fake chords that just sound like nothing else - I personnally find that detuning oscillator 1 down my an octave, but not quite exactly an octave, creates a lot of tension in the sound, especially if it’s a square wave against a saw on oscillator 2 - When both oscillators are almost tune together, but not quite, you can use the “beating” effect that they develop as a rhythmical sound - As the demo shows, most sounds are actually very very simple, but absolutely shine with effects. I think this is the greatest strength of the Minitaur, it is a perfect base sound for adding effects to. Hope this helps!
14 күн бұрын
@@TDB_Music thank you so much for those exelent tips, I really appreciate! 💖 Got my minitaur a couple of weeks ago and absolutely love the clean and deep sounding lowend, fits very well with an orchestra. Gonna definitely experiment using your precious recommendations! Thanks again for your response. 🙂
@dankeplace
Жыл бұрын
I got rid of mine as was sick of tethering it to PC to see the patches. Great sounding machine let down by this simple patch viewing thingymabob.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I gave up on trying to use presets and just did everything from scratch. Thankfully a good overlay helps for this, but I didn’t get along with the VST connection
@dankeplace
Жыл бұрын
@@TDB_Music it's a great sounding synth, needs proper ADSR and small display for patches.
@Grant82gc
Жыл бұрын
I only ever use it via VST and I use it ALOT. For me it's a great synth that accompanies your daw.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
It’s cool to see how different people have different workflow! To be honest I think this is how the synth was designed, to be used on the desktop with a strong connection to the DAW with the VST
@dankeplace
Жыл бұрын
@@depth78 It's a really nice sounding synth, if you can get to play with one, you will understand what I mean when you need to tether it to a computer to see what patch you're on. I found it frustrating because I loved the sound, hated the need for a pc. If you wanted to save some money, there is a Behringer clone called the Toro, I am not too fond of it. Erica Synths Bassline DB-01 is nice and similar price here. Norand Mono is another very capable synth but MK2 is out now.
@imola8
Жыл бұрын
you really have a got taste for cool sound. I like it a lot! May i suggest a blofeld desktop synthesizer. It`s awesome and extremely versatile and affordable.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! I think the Blofeld is really underrated, as it looks capable of really powerful sounds. I’m just not sure how easy to is to experiment/play around with it? Will keep an eye out
@OCEANSINSPACE
Жыл бұрын
sounds cool , its the good time for changes though.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, I really believe gear is a good way to inspire and guide your music writing. If you feel stuck, then maybe changing gear is the start of a new direction
@BeatsByGemsmiff
Жыл бұрын
🔥🔥
@discomfortdesigns
Жыл бұрын
The Knight!!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Born of God and Void. You shall seal the blinding light that plagues their dreams. You are the Vessel. You are the Hollow Knight.
@tehbigshow
Жыл бұрын
Idk man...that demo at the end was magic. That scene could play out in different ways. Is there some choices that could be made to have you keep the Moog?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Making this video had me seriously reconsider my decision. But I think I’m at the point in my life where I would like something that can teach me more about synthesis. Or something more experimental. More modulation, a keyboard, more distortion, more weirdness… but damn if I won’t miss this thing
@theleastsignificantbit4794
Жыл бұрын
The Subsequent 37 has a lot of features like looping envelopes and everything can be tweaked via midi CC. It can sound smooth or very aggressive, but it isn’t as smooth as the Minitaur in the low end. The Minitaur is melted butter-hot melted butter.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely on my short list for the Minitaur’s replacement, it’s been a dream of mine for a long time!
@bysbox1
Жыл бұрын
I had both. Ended up getting rid of the Subsequent 37 and keeping the Minitaur. The Subsequent 37 has great modulation capabilities, but does not have that deep low end that the Minitaur has. You can tell the difference in the oscillators. I actually have a Matriarch and a Grandmother on the way that I think will be a great compliment to the minitaur and OB6. Both Matriarch and Grandmother sound different than the Subsequent 37 or Minitaur (more grittier).
@FlynnTaggart23
Жыл бұрын
Cool demo, you got some nice noises out of the mini but also stiched them together in a musical way. I think it's a keeper, though I'm biased. I drive mine by CV from my Analog Four (A4). I've gone up and down, back and forth... In my mind I'd have to go to something like the Kijimi to replace it but can't justify it the $$$ or the complexity. The AR, A4 & OT I have are deep enough already & i'm not using all they offer. So I came around to just accepting the mini for what it is... when I need that thing it's there and it is the best at what it does, it just only does that one thing... On the up side the Mini isn't very expensive so when you buy another one to replace the one you sold you won't be too much out of pocket;)
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling I may buy it again in a couple of years once I really miss it! I think for people who love Elektron stuff, the Minitaur is a great addition, especially for live performance. It’s solid and reliable, will pretty much always sound good.
@els1f
Жыл бұрын
This sounded amazing! I've been thinking about getting this since it came out but other things kept coming up first lol. Where did you get that faceplate/overlay? It doesn't come with it, does it?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
It’s an incredible synth! The overlay comes from a company called Oversynth, and they are a life changer, I fully recommend it!
@keithgoodale3945
Жыл бұрын
Incredible sounds here. What are you looking at as a replacement?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! I have to say right now I’m considering the Matrixbrute, I know it would be a big change but I feel like I would be able to get something out of it for a while. Other contenders are the DFAM, Grandmother, Sub37. We are spoiled with choice these days!
@amonster8mymother
Жыл бұрын
Can you lfo the filter?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Yes, there is a single multi-shape LFO that can be assigned to both the pitch and the filter cutoff
@scottglasgowmusic
11 ай бұрын
I love my Minotaur but it always sounds "rubbery" and not "edgy" or has any kind of bite (like all MOOG products TBH). I used it once on a big film and sort of cringe when I hear those tracks. It is just dated--- but I still have mine and probably will keep it as my one MOOG in my studio. Cool cue.
@TDB_Music
11 ай бұрын
I think the one thing missing on it is a way to overload the filter through the oscillator mixing stage, like lots of other Moogs! But I always find it really interesting how different composers have different experiences with the Minitaur. Whether it fits someone’s taste or not, I think it definitely made a mark on the gear landscape. Thanks for watching!
@joshua42777
Жыл бұрын
if I just wanted that Moog bass sound would this be the best option??
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Haven’t really tried any other options but it’s pretty good at it!
@theleastsignificantbit4794
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Did you make the overlay yourself? That is an excellent idea!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It’s an overlay from Oversynth, I think it’s the “Blackphase”. Can 100% recommend these, they make life so much easier!!!
@YanivhmTube
Жыл бұрын
And to think what you can get out of with Behringer model D (Boog)...
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
I was quite hesitant between the Model D and the Minitaur for my first synth. I think both are really capable and would be a perfect fit for anyone looking for a good sounding first synth!
@sashaatree6535
Жыл бұрын
to which minitaur's in/outputs the reverb pedals are plugged to please?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
There was no reverb pedals used, only reverb softwares (just used as a simple insert/VST in the daw). The Minitaur has a standard Line output which I used for recording, not the headphones output.
@NickVu
Жыл бұрын
I'm really curious what you swap this out for. Trying to find something that can even come close to Minitaur bass in eurorack format.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
I haven’t replaced it with anything yet, it left an empty spot in my studio. I’m trying to use my eurorack system more, as well as a DIY system. But when I need a “moogy” sound, for now I use NI Monark. Someday I will get a replacement!
@hellf.o
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! So grab a DFAM!😍👍
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!! The DFAM is definitely high on my list, it feels like a must have for scoring. Good blend of analog pulses and experimental sounds. Now if only I had the budget for a DFAM and a Matrixbrute…
@mariodquiroz
Жыл бұрын
Nice! Where did you get the extended label printing for the Minitaur controls?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It comes from an online shop called Oversynth, they make my life sooooooo much easier!
@JakeSweeper
Жыл бұрын
It's a pity you've pulled the minitaur out of the rotation for sale as you sound like you really know your way around it. Hope whatever is replacing it kills.
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
I’m still searching at the moment. I have loved every minute spent with the Minitaur, but I hope changing things around will push me in a new direction!
@sentokan
Жыл бұрын
Ur Moog has all the shift functions on it. How comes?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
I had an overlay on top of it to show me the hidden functions. Came from a company called Oversynth, and honestly that was a life changer!
@eyesintheskies
Жыл бұрын
Anyone know what midi keyboard that is?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Me, I know! It’s the Novation Impulse 61 :) wonderful keyboard for the price with lots of faders, not sure it’s still in production but it is great. A bit big, but if you have the space I would recommend it
@chateautemp
Жыл бұрын
Super basic question - did you record your loops to an external recording device?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Everything is recorded directly into an audio interface and into Ableton. I used the midi keyboard through Ableton to control the synth, and processed some of the sounds directly in the computer once recorded
@chateautemp
Жыл бұрын
@@TDB_Music Got it thanks. The part at 2min where you're looping the delayed kick part is what I'm referring to. I haven't figured out how to record audio while doing that with a loop. I'm sure it's a basic thing but can't for the life of me find it out there in tutorials!
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, took me some time too! Basically, you need one MIDI channel that is set to sent the programmed midi notes to the synth. Then, you need an audio channel that is set to record the audio IN from the synth (in your audio interface). In Ableton, there is a device called “External Instrument” which combines both tracks into one, so you can play the MIDI and hear directly the synth on the same track (as if the external synth was just a plugin), which is how I was able to add effects to it. I would always recommend however recording the audio to a separate track. The reason you don’t see the audio recording in the video is because I’m using a screen capture software to capture the sound, to make it easier for the video editing!
@chateautemp
Жыл бұрын
@@TDB_Music Ah yes makes sense. Will give it a go. Thanks for the explanation. :)
@soundvandal3570
Жыл бұрын
I miss mine. What did you replace it with?
@TDB_Music
Жыл бұрын
So far nothing. I want to finish some ongoing projects before exploring a new synth. But I use NI Monark whenever I need some Moog sounds, as it’s pretty awesome!
@chrisstrobel3439
Ай бұрын
So what film/video/game did this score go to?
@TDB_Music
Ай бұрын
This was the Hostage scene from Detroit: Become Human, highly recommend the game!
@chrisstrobel3439
Ай бұрын
@@TDB_Music Cool, I’m not into games much, but I may buy it just to hear your music 👍
@TDB_Music
Ай бұрын
@@chrisstrobel3439 that’s very kind of you! Unfortunately this is just a rescore, the original music in the game is from Nima Fakhrara. It is an incredible soundtrack!
@chrisstrobel3439
Ай бұрын
@@TDB_Music Ohh .. ok I see .. you just mute the soundtrack in the game and put your own in as practice .. good idea, hope you get some gigs scoring some actual games down the road, what you did sounds good. As a professional keyboard player from the late 70’s up to around the end of the 90’s I did a few scores for Public Television in the Los Angeles/OC area back in the 80’s .. but that’s about it for scoring, it was hard to compete with the Synclavier guys around here. Today it’s much more competitive with everybody having easy access to DAW’s and plugins, you don’t need that $250k Synclavier II anymore like we did back then, plus now you have AI to deal with. I hope if it’s your dream to do professional game/video/movie scoring you hang in there and persevere .. and your dream comes true. Keep up the good work 👍
@TDB_Music
Ай бұрын
@chrisstrobel3439 thank you, your comment means a lot to me ❤️ I just want to make good music and be happy with it!
@tonyt303
Жыл бұрын
Where did you get that overlay ?
@TDB_Music
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From a maker called Oversynth, they make tons of these and they are life savers!
@wesleyforman8391
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all factory or download to patches?
@TDB_Music
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No presets at all, they were all made on the spot. I find the synth very easy to use so no need for presets
@wesleyforman8391
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@@TDB_Music you have any saved? There's a lot of under hood features using the software so although may be easy to program you cant do everything from knobs so
@TDB_Music
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@wesleyforman8391 you definitely can, but I personally don’t like it when the knobs don’t show exactly what the synth is doing (like when you load a preset). It’s not the Minitaur’s fault, just me :) so I never saved any presets
@stumsi
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Great action here, I love it. It seems we both share the same passion about Moog synths. Check my battle between Minitaur VS Sub37 if you're interested in...
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