As one of the artists that worked on Battletoads Double Dragon on the SNES waaay back, I found this to be a fascinating and nostalgic look at the history of Battletoads. I had very fond memories of working at Rare in the early 90’s. I’m also grateful to the speed running community for keeping this game and others very much alive to this day! I get such a kick out of seeing people zip through this game so fast. Excellent video, loved it! Thank you so much!
@lunarskygacha9036
2 жыл бұрын
glad to hear you love the gaming community for keeping BTO & many other games alive. it's your contribution that helped many of the games that exist today. (sorry if it sounds like I'm overexaggerating, but it's always nice to hear from someone who helped develop a game.
@slymarbo4046
2 жыл бұрын
Man Rare made my childhood
@symboltherapper
2 жыл бұрын
Are you still working in the industry if you don’t mind me asking? I worked briefly at THQ just as a game tester
@Rezzin8
2 жыл бұрын
@@symboltherapper Yes, mostly. I've been freelance for many years now just working on projects that interest me. Glad to hear you tested games! I'm terrible at testing games, even if I've worked on them! haha. Thanks for your question and all the best to you!
@symboltherapper
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rezzin8 thanks! Yeah I was there right before they went bankrupt in 2010. Then I was a mastering lab technician (burned discs for QA team) . I didn’t like QA testing much. Trying to break games or playing unfinished builds wasn’t as fun a people may think, but I’m glad i had the experience. If I ever got back into the field I’d try to do freelance stuff as well.
@JazGalaxy
2 жыл бұрын
It’s hilarious how unnecessarily convoluted the Battletoads story is. It just keeps going and going.
@pip7967
2 жыл бұрын
Nerrrrrddddd!!!
@Viking_Luchador
2 жыл бұрын
The game is a sequel to a comic book almost no-one read or remembers???
@apoplexiamusic
2 жыл бұрын
me thinks a young Chris Nolan played this game and took that style of story-telling to heart...
@MCastleberry1980
2 жыл бұрын
I love how it's insanely convoluted and no where is this relayed to you in game
@kagabe1534
8 ай бұрын
Where can we read these comics?
@unklejohn8575
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 90s, I briefly worked in the Tradewest office (William’s Ent.). In the upstairs meeting room there were tons of paperwork and among it were mock ups for Battletoad toys, Halloween costumes, electronic toothbrushes. There were a few physical prototypes of BattleToad calculators, school supplies, and toothbrushes with the characters printed on them. I don’t know if any of that stuff survived, I’m sure thrown in the dumpster years ago after Midway bought out Williams and moved the operations across town. I’m also unsure if any of those products ever came out. It was kinda sad to look at what they had planned for that game that never came out.
@topdamagewizard
2 жыл бұрын
I had a battletoads trapper keeper thing my mom bought for me at the dollar store. I really liked the toads
@JacobraTheGreat
2 жыл бұрын
My brother and I used to input random Game Genie codes into this game, and half the time we would get crazy effects. Our favorites were: Telekinetic punching, Everything shatters like glass, All the sprites look like piles of vomit. There were a ton more, and we wrote them all down in a notebook so we could play with them over and over. Ah, good times.
@RodrigoLopezandfriends
2 жыл бұрын
My mom liked the game so we would play it together. We never got past the second stage. We felt vindicated years later when the game started popping up in “hardest games ever” lists.
@MegaJessness
2 жыл бұрын
Props for getting your mom to play! My brother and I could barely get our mom to play MK or even Mario with us lol. It was funny when we did, tho xD She did better at MK Trilogy, ironically.
@WrestlingWithGaming
2 жыл бұрын
I beat the NES game as a kid but couldn't make it past the jet ski level as an adult. I peaked at 11 years old. Sigh.
@beepboop204
2 жыл бұрын
our failure to complete that level sparked a nasty fight with an ex
@symboltherapper
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha. Gamers today will never know how hard games were back in the day. No continues usually you really had to rely on skill. You got 3 lives and had to beat some games in one sitting. All those platformers back then were murder. I could beat Super Empire Strikes back on Jedi difficulty without dying…man how things have changed….
@JvilleNC
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when Contra first came out. On a Sunday morning I beat the game I borrowed from a friend. He didn't believe so I did it again in front of him at his house. I was the man in the neighborhood. Everyone wanted to see me beat the game. Then a month later the famous Contra code came out.
@JohahnDiechter
2 жыл бұрын
If you tried to play this on anything other than original hardware and a crt television set then I am not surprised.
@Aegelis
2 жыл бұрын
Same for a lot of games for me, but that level in particular required memorization. A friend and I just grinded it out on 2-player until we were able to do it, a lot of calling "up", "down", "ramp", and such, anticipating the next obstacle. When we had so few games then and much more time to play, these gave our agile hands & minds an edge.
@Souredsoup
2 жыл бұрын
5:43 Holy cow! Is that a young, very early career Paul Rudd in a Super Nintendo commercial?!?!?
@pj6159
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. It was his on-screen acting debut.
@ThomasMHead
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't beat that game, even with Game Genie and skipping to the last level! It was really fun in some places, and really frustrating in too many others. I did like the variety of levels/gameplay, and it was another good cast of anthropomorphic characters from that boom period (TMNT, Bucky O'Hare, Biker Mice, etc.)
@MungkaeX
2 жыл бұрын
Emulation and Save states make beating the original a much lower bar than Game Genie ever did. Honestly the hardest level was the unicycle one being chased by that orb.
@RatelHBadger
2 жыл бұрын
@@MungkaeX Oh sure, if you save scum then you can beat the game
@aretnap3653
2 жыл бұрын
The Jet-Race after The Descent Level, Had Me Stuck Until I Got a GameGenie! I Could Beat Every Level...Using The GameGenie...Except That One! (The RatRace Level & SurfBoard Levels, were My Favorite to Replay.) If You Used "MegaJumping" with TheGameGenie, & Learned Where to Correctly Jump, The Final Spinning Citadel Tower Level Became Kinda Easier.
@daviddalrymple2284
2 жыл бұрын
There's actually a Game Genie code (unlisted in the code book) which will take you straight to the Dark Queen. You can extrapolate it from the other level skip code. IAAXALAE or something like that .
@fracturedfingers
2 жыл бұрын
We really need an MK-style fighting game with Ninja Turtles, Battletoads, Double Dragon, Final Fight, and Fatal Fury characters. That could very well be the best fighting game ever.
@treytucker9948
2 жыл бұрын
well right now the closes we have is killer instinct, street fighter, tekken, mortal kombat and injustice, as more than a few of them been on these games.
@TeamBelmont91
2 жыл бұрын
Just replace Final Fight and Fatal Fury with Extreme Dinosaurs, Street Sharks, Biker Mice from Mars, and Mummies Alive, and we're golden.
@fracturedfingers
2 жыл бұрын
@@TeamBelmont91 No need to replace, but yes! Street Sharks and Biker Mice from Mars as well!!! Also, Inspector Gadget???
@fracturedfingers
2 жыл бұрын
This really needs to be a fighting game.
@fracturedfingers
2 жыл бұрын
And then All of them vs. X-Men
@jinpei05
2 жыл бұрын
The Dark Queen retroactively reminds me of Tera Patrick 🤣
@PaleHorseShabuShabu
2 жыл бұрын
I played it back in the day and could eventually beat the turbo tunnel on command thanks to a trick my brother taught me. Sometimes I could beat the next level, usually not, and I never got beyond the snakes level without using the warp. On a side note, I think the Dark Queen was my first video game crush. She can cross over into my world any time!
@chestergeo
2 жыл бұрын
The trick being...? :-)
@PaleHorseShabuShabu
2 жыл бұрын
@@chestergeo At the end, when the pillars start coming really fast, as soon as you push up or down for the first one (I forget where the first one comes from), lightly push the other direction for the second and keep alternating like that. No hesitation, not thought, just up, down, up, down as fast as you can, like you're on a date with 1992's Anna Nicole Smith.
@topdamagewizard
2 жыл бұрын
Man the Dark Queens design was definitely a decision. Would love to have been in that room.
@gabrielboorom2683
2 жыл бұрын
The lesson of Battle Toads is this: you can ripoff ANYTHING, so long as you put your own spin on it, because THAT will make it memorable. That game will be remembered for being hard, one of the hardest of its time. That said, I was more of a TMNT kid.😎
@KennethMoreland
2 жыл бұрын
Battletoads > TMNT
@nobodyuknow4911
2 жыл бұрын
Kids today: "OH MAN! Elden Ring is tough!" Kids from the 80's: ⌐_⌐ "Battle Toads was Elden Ring times Dark Souls 1, 2, and 3, to the power of Demon Souls......... Then if you beat it, you get to play level 2!"
@aliali-ce3yf
2 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on "Video Power" - the greatest game show for kids ever!!!!!! Tbh, i wish they'd bring it back - it would better than the Price is Right Having all those game boxes on the velcro vest must've been the dream for a bunch of kids
@Abhothra
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't even knew there was a backstory other then what you got in the game. 😅 Don't think we finished it at the time though although I do remember getting passed the notorious jetbike level after wasting a summervacation on it as children much to the grievance of our parents.
@RyanRead
2 жыл бұрын
Loved BattleToads on the various game systems. But the vehicle levels haunt fans and players to this day.
@etharp1980
2 жыл бұрын
Would like a Battle Toads collection with every iteration that there has been for all platforms
@robertb.warren4749
2 жыл бұрын
I love how the gameplay clips in the commercial cut a split-second before the player gets squashed, splattered, etc.
@JeremiahJS1984
2 жыл бұрын
5:43 WOW ! I didn't know Paul Rudd was in the super Nintendo launch commercial!
@DrDeathpwnsu
2 жыл бұрын
It's so funny that they released it in Japan with a lower difficulty setting because I'm used to hearing that but the other way around.
@pucknorris3473
2 жыл бұрын
Every time I think you've run out of s*** to talk about you surprised me with a new video. I love this thank you
@RetroSegaDev
2 жыл бұрын
I had it on release and still own it to this day! I got past the crazy car weaving section and didn't get much further beyond that 😄 I remember there being warps on some stages!
@Orangefan77
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, do you guys have Battle Toads?
@CSLucasEpic
2 жыл бұрын
1989 was also the year that the TMNT arcade game was made. It was an instant hit and by 1990 it was the most profitable arcade game of that year. It was so popular that Konami couldn't keep up with the demand and had to outsource manufacturing to other companies.
@ryanbwags
2 жыл бұрын
"Playing video games at their local convenience store." I remember those days. Most of the hours I logged on Street Fighter 2 Championship Edition was at the local 7-11.
@hang10wannabe
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, I live in Oxnard California... first we get mentioned in a Lonely Island song "Semi-colon" and now we're mentioned in a Toy Galaxy video on Battletoads from the pilot episode of the attempted TV Series... we're living in the best reality!
@sirdaveysockrocker
2 жыл бұрын
I got a hand me down VHS tape from my cousin that had the Battletoads pilot and some episodes of Power Team on it. Those were the days.
@Heretic1373
2 жыл бұрын
Beat it, but only utilizing the warps. Tough but I absolutely loved it. It's still hilarious looking back at all the so over the top 90s marketing. Completely insane. Great vid!
@mekman4
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve never beaten Battletoads, but this is a great segue into Double Dragon! I was actually just watching a video featuring the Neo Geo version of the series the other day which is a fighting game loosely based on the American film, which was loosely based on the original game. And the cartoon is it’s own bizarre thing, mainly because the Double Dragon twins _do not_ wield swords in their games! It also had a fighting game, and this animated version of the franchise has loads of toys and games. Great Stuff!
@akaBoG
2 жыл бұрын
Battle toads was sick. My brother and I made my dad rent it for us as often as it was on the shelf - it was one if the first games with on-screen co-op.....key for two brothers 18 months apart. We got through the bike level......but not often....I don't think we got much further than the ice level.... awesome nes cart though.
@YesterdaysMoose
2 жыл бұрын
Battletoads (NES) was literally impossible to complete with 2 players due to a glitch that would prevent player 2 from moving during level 11, Clinger Winger (aka - the one where they ride giant wheels). Fortunately this was fixed in the Rare Replay version.
@PepRock01
2 жыл бұрын
No mention of the "oops that was an accident " followed up by "OOPS THAT was an ACCIDENT" effect that basically meant no one got past level 2 in 2 player mode 🤣
@Darqueness
2 жыл бұрын
Never beat the NES game as a kid. Decades later with emulation, Game Genie, and a bit of save scumming I can finally say I've beaten it. Those who say the Turbo Tunnel or Surf City are the most difficult likely never made it to Clinger Winger. That giant wheel with its required practically frame perfect turns, one shots during the race, and punishment for being a nanosecond too slow or fast on a turn, not to mention the punishment on your thumb is to me by far the hardest thing in the game, and possibly the franchise. It's what I think of first when people say something is "NES Hard".
@seereadnhear
2 жыл бұрын
I was in Middle School when this came out. And being in middle school I must have been in a adolescent coma cuz I have no memory of this game🤔. But what I saw on this video I want to play this game.
@MrNside
2 жыл бұрын
I remember as a kid being frustrated with the original NES game at first, but I beat it several times. It wasn't until more than a decade later that I learned that it was considered one of the most difficult video games.
@WhispyWoods.
9 ай бұрын
Holy cow the advertising for this was 90’s af 😅
@ShabeRaven
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't beat it back in the day but I beat it and the arcade game in Rare Replay on the Xbox. They give you the ability to rewind at any time so it makes them much easier. The upcoming TMNT video game collection is supposed to have a rewind feature as well so that will make the original TMNT NES game finally beatable.
@sadpixels
2 жыл бұрын
I LOVED the Battletoads as a kid. I even dressed as Zitz for Halloween one year. I have been the game... BUT only with the help of Game Genie...
@thejokersonyou
2 жыл бұрын
Tmnt part 1 and Battle toads Two of the hardest NES games in history... And one of them was actually fun
@charleshammel8541
2 жыл бұрын
Was that Paul Rudd in the SNES commercial? He doesnt age, y'know.
@CommodoreFan64
2 жыл бұрын
I've never beat the NES game, but me, and a buddy back in our late 90s high school days did finally beat the SEGA Genesis port passing the controller back, and forth, as it was easier to play as 1 player than 2.
@RoninRaconteur
2 жыл бұрын
I used play Battle Toads and it was a difficult game and I never finished it, but it more out of the change over of systems than the frustration of playing it. I was pretty excited to see Rash in Killer Instinct and was hoping to see more but again brought into a fighting game just like the Turtles before them.
@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115
2 жыл бұрын
As a '80's / '90's kid, I am and always be a TMNT girl! My bedroom when I was six years old was covered with TMNT and Disney's The Little Mermaid characters! 😂🐢🍕🧜🏽♀
@reddragon162
2 жыл бұрын
I played this as a kid. It was one of those games that never got beaten, right alongside TMNT1.
@RedWizard0
2 жыл бұрын
For a short while I was in the top ten Endless Turbo Tunnel times on the Rare Replay version of NES Battletoads. I'm sure that time has been obliterated by now. These days though, I'm actually pretty decent at Battlemamiacs, I can finish it without too much trouble.
@StAlchemyst
2 жыл бұрын
Umm... did anybody notice that Paul Rudd was in that Super Nintendo commercial?!?!? HOLY SHIT! 5:46
@TightPantsJack
2 жыл бұрын
One thing that always bothered me since I was a kid is the fact they created three characters for what would be a two-player game. Later games used all three toads, but their first outings didn't. It always seemed like poor planning to me.
@courageunitycompassi
Жыл бұрын
The real crime is this was never made into an Arnold Schwarzenegger vehicle. We never get to hear him utter “… hit the road with a load of toads!”
@streetmagik3105
2 жыл бұрын
7:25 That Battletoads commercial is 90s as hell! "Whack"
@Vahmung
2 жыл бұрын
We used to always turn the game off when it came to the first vehicle level. Most of the time we just replayed the first level to try and beat each other up. We would then turn this off and play Ninja Crusaders on the NES instead.
@anthonycollado2447
2 жыл бұрын
I did beat Battletoads as a kid, back in the day when I had all of the time in the world to play games. It took 5 months and that was with using warp zones! I was actually mad when I beat it because the ending sucked! Mind you, this was around the time when he started getting beatiful and amazing endings like Mega Man 2, Super Mario Bros 2, Zelda 2 and so on. ALL you get at the ending is the same screen of the Dark Queen saying "I'll get you next time Battletoads!" That's it? After 5 months? TEENAGE RAGE! :P LMAO! Still very proud I managed to finish it somehow.
@joshoshea3194
2 жыл бұрын
Oh my God was that Paul Rudd in that Nintendo commercial!? 5:43 I never knew that he'd made one.
@Jayce_Alexander
2 жыл бұрын
For some reason 9 year old me had no trouble getting through the jetski parts (although I was never able to beat the game). I tried again recently and couldn't get anyway. RIP childhood reflexes.
@susanfit47
10 ай бұрын
I liked it when they show Battletoads every year in November during Thanksgiving syndicated on Bohbot Entertainment's Kids Day Off package.
@HesarealNoWhereMan
2 жыл бұрын
Battletoads were also playable in the Three Stooges game on the NES.
@DisgruntledDoomer
2 жыл бұрын
I think the claimed difficulty is a bit of an urban legend. The NES game was tough, sure, but still beatable even by a 9 year old child, as proven by me. However, what puzzles me more is the backstory to the toads. I never saw the comics as a child, and thus didn't know they were human at some point. And I got to wonder: why make them human in the first place? Children don't question talking animals, and I think it's easier to relate to them as well. (Same thing with the Turtles. They had in-human origins, so why are Rocksteady and Be-Bop men-turned-animals? That always bothered me.)
@justbuggin67
2 жыл бұрын
If you ever have a chance lookup the speed run of PJ and Mecha Richter from 2013 or 2014. They literally break the NES game so much so a Battletoad becomes a power up.
@jasonhubbard6775
2 жыл бұрын
Having surfer rock in that pilot episode was a terrible idea, it made the show retro in its own time.
@bigneon_glitter
2 жыл бұрын
I once beat _Battletoads._ Pretty sure that qualifies me as a licensed surgeon in some countries.
@scarletspider5622
2 жыл бұрын
The clip of the guy with the game on the wall that kept being played...what is that from? Is that the show from the late 80s/early 90s where kids competed against each other on NES games? I used to watch that all the time but I can't recall what it's called.
@josephmoore784
2 жыл бұрын
One of the all time greatest TMNT spoofs I can remember was the comic book Geriatric Gangrene Jujitsu Gerbils 😂😂😂
@captainofiron
2 жыл бұрын
I loved that game, we used to prank call blockbuster asking if they had battle toads 2 in stock
@jasonreeves8368
2 жыл бұрын
Weren't the Battletoads in Ready Player One?
@Lastjustice
2 жыл бұрын
I've beaten Battletoads, it's tough but not impossible. I hope they make a new game more in the spirit of the classic games than the teen titans go version of the reboot.
@pious83
2 жыл бұрын
I played the original. Ironically, a rental. Beating it was far beyond me. That said, I never even knew the cartoon existed.
@blueknight10
2 жыл бұрын
That guy in the Nintendo commercial wasn't that antman
@kinketsu9103
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the kid in the commerical said "Check out these other games by Fred West" and I thought...oh no...
@MrBeardsley
2 жыл бұрын
I rented the original game for the NES, and though I enjoyed it at first I ultimately fell into the “frustration and abandonment” category so I never bought it. I played the remake when it came out, and I enjoyed aspects of it enough to beat it but found the beat ‘em up sections too repetitive and puzzle sections too boring so it’s highly unlikely I’ll play it a second time.
@austinmorales6260
2 жыл бұрын
I had the original and still do in the attic. I never got past the third or fourth level. Way to hard but loved that music and still remember that game pause music to this day lol
@jamesbrooks5391
2 жыл бұрын
@5:44 - how did Nintendo get a modern day Paul Rudd for their SNES commercial in the 90s?
@CassidyShadewing
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I wasn't aware that Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad was a rip-off of Battletoads...
@reputablehype
2 жыл бұрын
Barely made it past the jet bike scene many times in my life but I kept coming back to try for years after we got it one Christmas. I think it's what built my competitiveness that served me well when I started playing sports lol
@lonesquiff6551
2 жыл бұрын
I only ever made it to the last level once and died shortly after lol. I've spent far too may hours on that game and still own my original copy. The truly brutal thing of that game was the lack of save system or perhaps unlimited continues. Being penalized for playing co-op was also never fun. The upside was I did become proficient at the jet bike level lol
@mjrleaguesweetie
2 жыл бұрын
7:22 love how this ad sorta presaged let’s play videos on YT/Twitch/etc.
@TitularHeroine
2 жыл бұрын
7:49 "Kick fighting, surfing, and babe-saving", say those lads? And *still* it has not to this day been made the new Olympic triathlon.
@AHeru-zt5qd
2 жыл бұрын
Nah, the hardest video game ever was "Silver Surfer" on the NES. "Battletoads" is a cakewalk by comparison.
@youreperfectstudio4789
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm no mention of everyone calling GameStop to preorder Battletoads on the Wii?
@eetuthereindeer6671
Жыл бұрын
Oh only 1 episode of the animated "series" of battletoads? Aw. I watched it just today
@larryzeffert1043
2 жыл бұрын
Are we not gonna talk about Paul Rudd starting in that Nintendo commercial?
@danielbible3654
2 жыл бұрын
That kid in the Battletoads commercial sounded a lot like Phineas from Phineas and Ferb.
@oldmanofthemountains3388
2 жыл бұрын
My brother and I beat it ONE TIME....because that was the only time we got past the jet bike level!
@stayfresh2468
2 жыл бұрын
Wow that history I've never known the history of Battle toads even though they were my favorite game on the SNES when I was little.
@maul42
2 жыл бұрын
They did it backwards. Japan should get the hard version of the game, the US needs to be easier. That was their downfall.
@j-morecoffeepls
2 жыл бұрын
5:46 don’t remember Ant-Man in a Super Nintendo commercial! 👍
@joeblankenship377
10 ай бұрын
Never got past the first few levels. It was fun, but damn it pissed you off. I remember Battletoads/Double Dragon being a lot more playable.
@Teamo86
2 жыл бұрын
3:06 so this is why this game is so damn hard.
@dajuanDAbomb
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else think that’s Paul Rudd in the commercial? Proof he’s an ageless vampire 🧛♂️ @5:44
@KaneshaDi
2 жыл бұрын
LMAO! Oh that was Paul Rudd alright. Not an ageless vampire, just someone who has obviously taken care of himself as Hollywood has habit sucking the life out of actors.
@mccallosone4903
2 жыл бұрын
The wasnt THAT hard, except for that jet ski level. And even that was only alightly more difficult than the Ninja Turtles swimming level
@mccallosone4903
2 жыл бұрын
Im not retyping that. Why cant i edit?
@tssteelx
2 жыл бұрын
They only thing that made it difficult was there was no save.
@christothrash
2 жыл бұрын
Is that kid in the Battletoads ad one of the guys from Crazy Town?!
@Gatorade69
2 жыл бұрын
Crazy Town ? The butterfly people ?
@Bigoukun
2 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, the origin story is only canon in the comics and some of the remakes. (The SNES one, maybe the MD one too, but not on the original NES game. As for the Xbox One sequel, it work just as well without that origin story, so…)
@robmarconi6758
2 жыл бұрын
That's... That's a young Paul Rudd in that Nintendo commercial, wasn't it?
@apollolux
2 жыл бұрын
Was not expecting to see Battletoads on this channel of all channels!
@ForceMaximus84
2 жыл бұрын
The best thing about Battletoads? The PAUSE Beat.
@seatspud
2 жыл бұрын
James Rolfe and Kyle Justin would approve.
@glarryg2318
2 жыл бұрын
I had the NES game, I loved the NES game, I played the NES game several hundred times, I think I got past the third stage without a cheating device ONCE...
@Marc_Araujo
2 жыл бұрын
...I still can't beat the Turbo Tunnel without abusing save states.
@huntercleveland7950
2 жыл бұрын
New here. The comedic elements of this channel sold it for me. Subscribed!
@RadicalToys
2 жыл бұрын
It wasnt that hard to me I finnished the nes genees and the snes versions of the game without game genie or using warps. Now Bayou Billy that made me bash my head off the wall hard.
@OniGundamSeed
2 жыл бұрын
Inugami Korone streamed the game for 9 plus hours and got hard pwned on one stage
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