Yes it’s unfortunate that a lot of these style amps and also the amps with DSP’s built in are all around 4 by 70 watts. I feel that they should at least be 100 watts per channel at 4ohm. These companies are all saying the 2ohm wattage which nobody ever goes by. There a good upgrade for a basic system.
@society86
4 ай бұрын
Decided to pair this with my audiofrog g60s. Hope I made a good choice, guess it's impossible to know for sure til it all gets hooked up. Nice to hear someone with skin in the game give their perspective, this will be my first amp.
@TickleFingers
3 жыл бұрын
Hey brother. We spoke a ways back on your video comparing the Hybrids to the JL components. I've been rocking the Hybrids for some time now on my AudioControl DSP amps and have been really happy with the setup. Fast forward and now I'm back at it again in my Lexus suv. This time I went Morel raw drivers for a 3way active front stage. Woofers are basically an Elate Titanium equivalent, mids are the CCWR254's (very impressive little speaker) and some MDT-12 tweeters. My problem is the stock nav unit in my Lexus is causing some amp location difficulties, so I have an AudioControl LC-6.1200 and LC-1.800 for amp duties from a Fix86 to Twk88. Anyway, I am going to probably bite the bullet and convert to Non-nav and run a new HU and get rid of the Fix86. Getting rid of the nav unit frees up massive space under the seats from the stock amp and nav unit disc assembly. My original goal was to run two of the MPS amps, one for mids and tweets and one bridged for the woofers. I can actually do that once the conversion is complete. I think you have a handle on the same priorities in sound that I do after talking on your other vid, and wanted get your thoughts on the morel amps. I can get them cheap and I would love to have some AB back in my ride. Anything you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
@sushantarora395
3 жыл бұрын
I have morel virtus 602 - 2 pair of components confused between moral 4.400. And clarion adp 4000 which one is good
@BLAZEPSI
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Share... Should I get this or the PG zx450 for SQ..thanks
@gen-X-trader
4 жыл бұрын
zx450 will murder it....but you'll also be spending $$ and some time recapping it. input caps and rail caps at a bare minimum. possibly also changing the potentiometers if they are scratchy. you either need to know how to solder or send it to someone like jason campbell in the facebook phoenix gold group to go through
@NickImberyPhotography
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle, man I’ve been researching a simple system build for replacing my stock 4Runner speakers and adding a sub/amp. After reading the comments here I had to chime in and say something. I’ve had so many people say so many different things lol I think I’ve settled on the Morel Virtus 602, and the Morel shop guy is in love with this amp but it seems a bit under powered to me; albeit I’m sure great SQ and that’s what I’m after. Are AB really THAT! Much better on SQ? I’m wondering what other good 4CH amps I could look at for the Morel speakers to push 100+ rms to them.
@gen-X-trader
5 жыл бұрын
I have tested quite a lot. The JL 300/4v3 is good. The audison voce quattro is good. In fact the voce 5.1k is a great all system amp. Zapco z150.4 is great. The current amp I have running the mids and highs is a late 90s phoenix gold zx450v2. Took about 3 hours worth of refurbishing to get it going replacing over 30 capacitors and a couple of potentiometers along with finding one in really good shape. I personally just do not like class D on the highs.. some of the better ones are definitely clean and they can get loud but they just don't have the same sound. Another thing I have found doing the 4Runner installed is you want to make sure you dampen the doors. See all them as much as possible and use acoustic foam between the plastic door panel and the door shell. Gasket tape between the speaker and Tweeter and the door panel also a good idea to prevent Reflections behind the panel. If you have not picked up a sub amp yet the audison voce 5.1k is a great great all in one amp with a strong sub channel. 2x140 and 2x75 if I remember right. Also a great match with the bit ten dsp
@NickImberyPhotography
5 жыл бұрын
I had a guy offering me a used Audison 5.1 for $500 actually. I heard they can be a pain to tune though, but I’ve been considering it. I know those Morels like power, and I’ve heard if you bridge that 4 channel morel they sound amazing, either way, AB is the way to go I think.
@gen-X-trader
5 жыл бұрын
@@NickImberyPhotography addison is super easy to tune. The bit ten is pull down menus and a slider eq. If you do not use a dsp it's no different than any other. Watts are not really rated equally. Morel amp sounds nice but is quite a lot weaker than a slash 300/4 which is only rated 10wpc more. The 5.1k voce is a good deal at 500. If its that one get it. It's a nice piece. Zapco z150.4ii is also 749 at world wide stereo but then You will need a sub amp
@CarAudioHorizons
4 жыл бұрын
TheNorthwestHawk Go with a Mosconi Pro 30/5 and a helix dsp over the Audison stuff, it’s much better, than the stuff he mentioned below.
@hinchadahe
3 жыл бұрын
Please give me your opinion, what amp is better for sq, this Morel or Slash 300/4? I have 2 way components Audiofrog gb60 and gb15. Andy recommend me any jl amp, but I would like your honest opinion, because you have both of my options.
@gen-X-trader
3 жыл бұрын
between those 2 get the slash, has a very similar tonal balance but bigger balls, more dynamic. i like your components too, gb15 is a killer tweeter
@hinchadahe
3 жыл бұрын
@@gen-X-trader thanks for your recommendation 👍
@daylincriswell4766
4 жыл бұрын
If you've ever heard them how would you compare this to the audiocontrol lc4.800 amp? They both have really good snr stats. Trying to decide between them and I need 90w for my morel comps
@TickleFingers
3 жыл бұрын
I can't really comment on the Morel amp, but I do have a D-4.800 and an LC-1.800 and I can say that AudioControl makes an excellent product. My amps are dead silent to me and have plenty of power. I'm running Morel Hybrid 602's active on the D-4.800 and I am running a JL Audio 12w6v3 at 2ohm on the LC-1.800. Very efficient and natural sounding amps. They have a nice warmth to them the my JL HD and JL XD amps just didn't have. They're closer to my old school Alpine V12 Expert A/B amps. I highly recommend AudioControls amps. I am looking at running two of these Morel amps for my new 3way active setup. I'm going to run Morel TiW 634Ft Titanium woofers on one of these amps bridged. Then Morel CCWR254 mids and Morel MDT-12 tweeters on the other Morel amp. Tuning through a Fix86 into a Twk88. If I don't go this route, I think I'll just get the LC-6.1200 or the new Alpine R-A90S 6 channel. It's class D, but is 500 and a s/n r >103db at rated power @4ohm. 75 watts x 4 @ 4ohm + 150 watts x 2 @ 4ohm.
@DirtySouthFlorida3
3 жыл бұрын
@@TickleFingers so what did you endup doing? Did u go sith the morel amps?
@TickleFingers
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtySouthFlorida3 I ran into issues with space and just couldn't fit the Morel amps. I really wanted to, but it is what it is. I ended up going with an LC-6.1200 and an LC-1.800. Both are just the right size and configuration for what I need and they're damn good amps.
@BLAZEPSI
4 жыл бұрын
Question Sir. I have no knowledge about PG amps(just starting). Is the PG Tantrum 400.4 same quality as the zx450? SQ wise. Was it made in USA? Tnx...
@gen-X-trader
4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't actually tell you where the Tantrum was made. It was right at that point when Phoenix Gold started Outsourcing and I'm inclined to think it was overseas somewhere because at the same time the Xenon was their top end. The Tantrum doesn't sound anywhere near as Hi-Fi as a zx450. It doesn't have the depth, the smoothness, or the Dynamics. The Tantrum line is really nothing special. They can make good bass amps but I would not use one on mids and highs. You might compare it to something like a Rockford Fosgate Punch in sound quality. The best 4-channel amps would be the zx450. Zx475. 500.4 and even the xenon 100.4 and 200.4 are pretty nice sounding amplifiers. For a mids and highs Phoenix Gold any of the above are a solid choice
@BLAZEPSI
4 жыл бұрын
@@gen-X-trader Thank you Kind Sir. I guess I'll go for ZX475. You halped me not waste my money on the Tantrum. Thank You... Speaker wise, Aside from Morel, is there any other Brand/Model that you can recommend SQ wise...tnx
@gen-X-trader
4 жыл бұрын
@@BLAZEPSI oh yes, dynaudio makes very good speakers. one reason morel comes up so often is because that tempo ultra is just such a good cost to benefit ratio. if you search around the web deals can often be found. for that price they are a great choice. the zx475 will cost you around $250 after buying and recapping the input and rails. tempo ultra components if found at a good deal $250 and around $180 for a coax rear fill. add in a sub and sub amp and you have a really decent setup under $1500 minus the deck
@BLAZEPSI
4 жыл бұрын
@@gen-X-trader Thank You again for sharing your knowledge. I will look inyo Dynaudio... :)
@slick408
3 жыл бұрын
@@gen-X-trader ive been looking for a zx450 and I'm curious why the caps need to be replaced, is it necessary? How can I tell if the amp I'm buying needs repairs? If one goes out does it all stop working?
@BLAZEPSI
4 жыл бұрын
Is the ZX475Ti same build era as ZX450. Will th eSQ be the same?
@gen-X-trader
4 жыл бұрын
it's close. the zx450, zx475 and 500.4 are all really similar. i would recap all the above though even though the nichicon zx475 and 500.4 amps had a more reliable cap to begin with..they are still 20 years old
@BLAZEPSI
4 жыл бұрын
@@gen-X-trader Thank You.
@BLAZEPSI
4 жыл бұрын
@@gen-X-trader I got my zx475Ti hooked up. The sound is what you said. This is worth every $$$. Next will be the zx600Ti from the same seller. Just wanna ThankYou for the recommendation... 👍
@jagger8937
5 жыл бұрын
Look at the wiring 😫😫😫
@gen-X-trader
5 жыл бұрын
When you're testing multiple amps. Well it might surprise you but you aren't really that concerned with making sure the wiring is done in a permanent install Manner..
@the54man100
5 жыл бұрын
how far is the sound quality is this morel compared too the jl audio slash
@gen-X-trader
5 жыл бұрын
They both are pretty sonically neutral amplifiers. The big difference is in Headroom and delivery. Slash is a more powerful sound. It can get a little bit louder but it's the delivery, the Dynamics. Morel is close to half the cost though. For the price it's a really good mids and highs amp
@DirtySouthFlorida3
3 жыл бұрын
@@gen-X-trader i wonder if the more impact and dynamic ur talking about is because of the variable ohm thing the JL has. So like it kinda fixes impedance rise and ohms bouncing from the speaker in a way?
@gen-X-trader
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtySouthFlorida3 amps all have a different sound, different dynamic. it's one of the reasons people hunt and pay dearly for the 90s era mcintosh amps. they sound amazing. like same speakers, same head unit just changing the amps can have a dramatic impact on the overall tone, sound quality or of course power of the system
@DirtySouthFlorida3
3 жыл бұрын
Been thinking of getting this amp i noticed alotta ppl talk about the warm sound... Ive tried the zapco st 100.6 but that shit ran hot as fuck in florida and ruined the SQ when it got hot in like 10 mins plus the amp was too bright sounding even with eq. I prefer my infinity class D but really thinking about trying this
@gen-X-trader
3 жыл бұрын
It's really not bad, it's not the most powerful amp I've ever had but they have a decent sound to them. Unfortunately with zapco anything under the Z series kind of sucks. The high-end zapco is still pretty good but I hate their entry level products. Another one that you can make sound actually pretty reasonable is the Fosgate power T 600-4 it's definitely a little bit brighter but it actually has a decent mid-range which I found surprising that's a lot more expensive amp though but it does have much bigger balls
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