We’ve recently received some criticism accusing us of stealing this product idea from a KZitem video. While we certainly saw the video in question while researching MortiseMatch, it was only one of the videos and articles we found. The earliest similar design we found was from 2001, 18 years earlier than the video that is being claimed to be the soul source of our inspiration. Nothing in our marketing of MortiseMatch claimed this to be a completely unique idea. In fact, the second paragraph of the product release email specifically mentioned that we had reviewed several designs online and found them to be lacking certain features we found critically important, primarily the ability to adjust the height of the cut. Here are just a few of the links to web pages we found while researching table mounting the Domino, all of which pre-date the Carmonius Finsnickeri video by almost 2 decades. www.finewoodworking.com/2002/02/01/biscuit-master-review www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-plans/jigs/accurate-alignment-biscuit-joiner-jig www.lumberjocks.com/projects/26077 www.highlandwoodworking.com/thestationarybiscuitjoiner.aspx
@daveklein2826
2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly Said, Thank you
@sedivyvlkodlak
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry. I like your products and bought lot of them. But this is clearly a stolen idea. The old links are not really similar to what Ola invented. You copied it. And of course, improved it. But you should give him a credit at least.
@chrisdalby4953
2 жыл бұрын
Though most ideas are not 100% original and I don’t think you should have not made this because others exist, I think as a brand you should have reach out to him or atleast given him some credit as this is SO clearly a direct evolution of his idea. And by the sounds of it Veritas has acknowledged that. Again it’s how it was handled that bothers me
@michaelpayne8102
2 жыл бұрын
WP, thanks for the info. Chances are this won't satisfy the pitchfork and torch burning SJW's of the net from their latest efforts as the wambulance criers run on emotion.
@chrisrosenb
2 жыл бұрын
@@sedivyvlkodlak Did Ola give any of the others credit? The only difference is that Ola has the Domino mounted on a t track table instead of a biscuit jointer. T track tables have been around for decades. Ola's jig is closer to the design of the other jigs then it is to the Woodpecker jig.
@robertsiebert8146
2 жыл бұрын
Yes . . . It is pricey; good things normally are. Give Woodpeckers credit for new innovation that allows us to be better woodworkers. A tool like this can make one want to do more projects.
@box0xB9
2 жыл бұрын
Nice echo effect in your new studio!
@anthonyevans3207
2 жыл бұрын
Give credit where credit is due: kzitem.info/news/bejne/0oZpsHuco4d4lYI
@ericsinclair9685
2 жыл бұрын
As a huge woodpeckers fan, I am disappointed how out of control your prices are getting.
@robertsiebert8146
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting comment. May I ask what your basis is for suggesting it’s prices are out of control?
@BeaulieuTodd
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the OP. Prices keep getting higher and higher. It’s an experiment to determine the price point at which they can make the same income with less volume. I have thousands upon thousands of $ in WP tools. Actually, it’s just over $11k. I’d say I have some first hand experience on their pricing.
@chriswaldron2617
2 жыл бұрын
@@robertsiebert8146 you don’t think $700 is out of control?
@robertsiebert8146
2 жыл бұрын
Compared to what Chris?
@WelshRabbit
2 жыл бұрын
I built my own Carmonius version about a year ago. But earlier this week, after seeing the Woodpeckers MortiseMatch, I decided it's a significant improvement. My Carmonius version is good, but the Woodpeckers version takes it up a new level of convenience and utility. As a daily hardcore-user of my DF 500 Domino, being able to switch between hand-held and base-mounted is very important. The Woodpeckers version offers base-mounting plus the convenience of quickly dismounting and using the DF 500 -- and then almost instantly reattaching it to the MortiseMatch with perfect alignment. That's worth its weight in proverbial gold. And of course, that feature, together with adjustable triangle-protractor fence, is where the engineering and manufacturing innovations are -- and make the Woodpeckers version different -- and worth the money. "I''ll take one." (And Woodpeckers now has my pre-order.)
@michaelpayne8102
2 жыл бұрын
You Sir, win my "faith in man medal for the day". :)
@paulzedeck7448
Ай бұрын
Meh... seriously. This solves what problem at 700 bucks? A $.25 cent piece of lead in my pencil can do the same thing by scribing two lines on the work piece. And if I need to batch out multiple pieces, I can just scribe a line with the pieces together in one shot. It's an interesting jig but at that price point for what it claims it does I'll stick to a cheap pencil to lay out my joints. Hell I would say even in a production shop I don't see how this would improve output of product.
@jamescollier2370
2 жыл бұрын
I have three Domino machines - 2 DF500s and a 700. I've probably used the 700 three times in seven years for so. When I use the Domino, I always cut one mortice on the nominal tenon size setting, then for the mating mortice I flip the setting to the next larger width (always with the machine running) to 1) give me leeway to be able to shift the parts to line up perfectly and not have to cut both mortices exactly spot on and 2) to be able to get the pieces apart after a dry-fit by having a little side-to-side wiggle room; otherwise I find the dominos are so tight I can't pull the pieces apart without bruising the adjacent wood. I'll reserve judgment on the Mortice Match for now as it's a little pricey for a hobbyist.
@11211lcb
2 жыл бұрын
in 2008 and using the adjustable dowel placement pins on the Domino I notice that alignment of mating pieces were not perfect. I sent the Domino to Fextool service and they corrected the issue. HOWEVER they told me that the ossilation of the cutter can and probably will again go out of adjustment. Hense the adjustable indexing tabs. BUT Festool advised me to simply, unless absolutely necessary, cut like you described. Tight mortice for one side of the joint and the elongated mortise for the mating piece. I have never ever had alignment issues using this method.
@jwar2163
2 жыл бұрын
Sand the edges of your domino tenon and you will be able to pull your joints back apart and you can then make the mortises tight on both piece of material. Sedge from Festool Live always talks about sanding the domino slightly to get things back apart after dry fitting during the Domino Episodes. I have been doing that for years and it works wonders because I like to dry fit everything.
@farmcat3198
2 жыл бұрын
Festool, the accessory company.
@11211lcb
2 жыл бұрын
I have owned a Domino since 2007, cut in excess of 10,000 mortises and have never needed or wanted anything like this. Sorry but this would be collecting dust in my shop. How about coming up with a quick and repeatable way to clamp work in place on the Shaper Origin Workstation vertical clamping panel.
@MattLitkeRacing
2 жыл бұрын
After watching the Sedgetool video I have some ideas. It would be good to have a way to hold stock vertically like making the sides of drawer boxes. Also having more stops or flip stops to make multiple mortises quickly in wider stock
@tmttmt3752
2 ай бұрын
How is this thing secured to the workbench? It appears it’s just centered between bench dogs. If so, is there another way to secure it from the top via screws or some other fasteners? Also, can the black base part be extended or added onto for bigger work pieces?
@WoodpeckersLLC
2 ай бұрын
You're right, we usually just clamp it between dogs. You can also clamp it to the edge of a bench with "F" clamps. It is not pre-drilled to screw-mount, but there's no reason not to do it, if that's the way you want it. We don't offer any extensions, but the black phenolic is 3/4" thick, so building extensions should be pretty easy.
@raymondclark9396
2 жыл бұрын
Woodpeckers has become a band of Highway Robbers, makes it very questionable weather I will be doing any business with this outfit
@daveklein2826
2 ай бұрын
You are clueless
@recipio6561
2 жыл бұрын
Not shipping until September - is that true. ?
@WoodpeckersLLC
2 жыл бұрын
Correct. Might be sooner, but that's the target.
@michaelpayne8102
2 жыл бұрын
Please consider drilling a set of holes for a Lamello base, Thanks,
@NealLittle-w1s
Жыл бұрын
Could someone who has used this, or Jeff, comment on how to set up to do all 4 corners of a square butt joint frame? If you cut all four "stiles" with the protractor on the left and show faces down, and then flip the protractor and keep the show faces down on the "rail" parts, two of the mortises will be on the outside of the frame. The instructions indicate "butt joints require you to cut opposing corners of ends and sides at the first setting." Please elaborate.
@WoodpeckersLLC
Жыл бұрын
Think in terms of diagonally opposed corners. Joints on opposite diagonal corners are done with the protractor on one side, then the other two corners are done with the protractor on the other side.
@pctatc66
2 жыл бұрын
hey woodpeckers, when are you going to do the deep dive on the the autoscale miter sled? Ive been waiting patiently for this one but you keep passing it up and doing other deep dives instead? What gives? I have questions that need answering on the ASMS-L. Im getting really nervous that you are not addressing the main concern that numerous people have with the miter sled and not being able to attach a sacrificial fence. I have one on order, but if this continues to go unanswered, I will be forced to cancel my order. For the amount of money you are charging, the item should be FLAWLESS. To me the Auto Scale Miter Sled has the one HUGE glaring flaw of no sacrificial fence.
@WoodpeckersLLC
2 жыл бұрын
Possibly as soon as next week.
@11211lcb
2 жыл бұрын
@@WoodpeckersLLC Will you be addressing how to prevent tear-out on the back side of the cut since there is no provision for adding a sacrifical fence? Further do you ever intend to come out with a better flip stop for the Exact 90 miter gauge? As you have been informed the flip repositions itself when liften and or dropped into place infront of the sccrificial fence. You make high quality products and charge accordingly but you really should address customers issues with your products.
@WoodpeckersLLC
2 жыл бұрын
A sacrificial fence would defeat one of the primary features of the AutoScale, namely the scale. If you place anything in front of the fence, the scale is no longer accurate at settings other than 90 degrees. Any piece of scrap can be used as a sacrificial fence if you're trying to prevent backside blowout and don't care about the scale. But then, a properly sharpened blade will prevent blowout, too.
@11211lcb
2 жыл бұрын
@@WoodpeckersLLC FWIW I have already mentioned to some one else that a sacrificial fence would likely defeat the purpose of design. I was hoping that you would have had a solution. I suppose it would be too difficult for Woodpeckers to correct that missed opportunity. And I suppose that the wandering flip stop on your Exact 90 miter gauge fell victim for the same reason. Woodpeckers changes a premium for quality materials and machining but unfortunately the design of a number of your tools seem to be rushed. A properly sharpened blade is not a good work around/excuse for a design that was apparently rushed to market . Your Exact 90 comes with a sacrificial fence which is good but the flip stop is not a good design for use with the sacrificial fence. Do you have a work around for that? FWIW I use premium Forrest blades and always have fresh sharpened spares to mount when one goes out to Forrest for resharpening. Tear out is a fact of life.. Even with a brand new blade tear out is always a possibility with many woods.
@AlexK07010
2 жыл бұрын
@@11211lcb I would wait for version 2.0 as that would probably fix the issue :) aka autodrill with angle fixed the shortcomings of original autodrill and no upgrade path
@Psychlist1972
2 жыл бұрын
One recommendation on the new studio: Add some baffles or something to the ceiling as you are getting a lot of distracting cavernous room reverb/echo that you just didn't have in the old workshop. Some textured rubber matting on the floor could also help a little there.
@jwar2163
2 жыл бұрын
Innovation is nice. Pricey for what it does, but worth to some it if you have the extra money to spend on jigs and don't have the time or the know how to build their own. The Accurate-Alignment Biscuit-Joiner Jig from years past combined with the new MATCHFIT Dovetail Clamp Pro from Micro jig master kit will get you somewhere near this jig, but not all the way. Again nice innovative design by Woodpeckers and will be helpful to those doing picture frames and casement work and using a Festool Domino DF 500. It was nice of Woodpeckers to include links to the above biscuit jointer jig. I actually have the Wood Magazine from March 2005 issue 161 that the jig and plans was featured in and never got around to making one for my biscuit jointer. Might have to break it out give it a read as it has the old plans and make me one now that I own a Festool Domino and a Biscuit jointer that I still use on occasions along with the MircoJig MatchFit Dovetail Clamp Pro. I have already made a temp jig for hold downs while pocket screwing pocket joints with the MircoJig and it impressed me for the simplistic nature of the system. Then realized I could do all that with my MFT. and the clamps/ dogs from Festool. Again Great Job and design Woodpeckers. I have many Woodpecker tools in my shop, I do love the Domino offset jig and the story stick I have..
@mikepaull8129
Жыл бұрын
So, I agree this is a great setup if you can afford it all. The Domino is like, $1.200 and your MortiseMatch is another $600. I am NOT complaining but, $1.800+ is a lot of money to make holes !! I have an old Woodhaven "biscuit" jig I think I paid $100 for, 20 years ago and a $125 Dewalt biscuit cutter. I still use these today. I have a problem wrapping my head (and paycheck) around these Festool tools. I tried but still don't get it.
@recipio6561
2 жыл бұрын
Don't really understand the complaints on here. The jig is beautifully made with quality materials and that costs money. As for ripping off the Carmonius jig that is all down to patent law and I'm sure the lawyers on both sides have exercised due diligence.
@daveklein2826
Жыл бұрын
People just want to hear themselves complain
@jerbear425
2 жыл бұрын
Neat item. It eliminates the need to align the centering mark on the clear scale with the actual mortice that is cut. That alignment for "balls on accuracy" is a pain in the a$$.
@11211lcb
2 жыл бұрын
If you use a tight mortise for one side of the joint and the elongated mortise for the mating side of the joint the curser on the clear scale is easy and PLENTY accurate with the added bonus of a little wiggle room during glue up and clamping.
@jerbear425
2 жыл бұрын
@@11211lcb If that slop works for you, thumbs up.
@11211lcb
2 жыл бұрын
@@jerbear425 10,000 mortises later, it works great. That is why the Domino has 2 different elongated holes. Strength is not affected and you will never see th inside of the joint.
@11211lcb
2 жыл бұрын
@@jerbear425 humm. Sorry if I’m not explaining in a way you understand. I have been a woodworker for 55+ years, professionally for the past 27 years. I buy in bulk. Buying 5 mm Dominos 1,800/per case at a time has a,ways brought the cost per Domino down lower in price than 1,000 #20 biscuits. This has been true for every case that I have bought. Past that unless using an FF size biscuit there very often is not enough room to cut a slot for a biscuit and not blow out the side of the piece. This is especially true when making cabinet face frames. And the Domino tenon is significantly stronger than a biscuit. For Something like picture frame miters I simply use glue and a pocket hole screw. For something like a miter on a cabinet door,when you will see the back side of the miter joint I’ll do the tight fit and loose fit mortise with the Domino and clamp with 4 K body style clamps. There is no slipping of the joints when the clamps are snug and properly placed, even with nothing but glue to secure the joint. But mitered joints are inherently weaker because of grain direction at the joint so I almost always built kitchen cabinet doors and furniture doors with stub tenon joints for the rails and stiles. For the front face frames on kitchen cabinets I use Domino tenons to reinforce the butt joint. On furniture I also build with back face frames but those have a type of lap joint reinforced with Domino tenons. The rails and stiles of these back face frames have a rabbit/rebate along their inner edges to accept the back panels. So I build furniture and book cases with the tops, bottom, and mid shelves of the carcasses fitting into dados in the sides. The front and back face frames also have dado/grooves to accept the carcass sides, top, bottom, and mid shelves. I build the face frames first and then glue up the carcass pieces, front and back face frames all at once. Typically there are a minimum of 12 dados and groves that are all glued in a single session. Needless to say the rails on the face frames have to be precisely placed to match placement of the top, bottom, and mid shelves of the carcass. So precision placement of the face frame joints is critical. The fact that I use a tight and loose mortise does not matter as long as those parts are precisely placed during the glue up and clamping of the face frames. I work with unforgiving tolerances. While what you consider slop might seem to be an issue the fit is easily tweaked to precise location and clamped until the glue sets. Seriously one can really over think what is important with how tenons fit. Many years ago I saw a book with X-ray pictures of Stickley joinery. The tenons were not precisely sized to fit in the mortises. Woodpeckers builds relatively high quality tools and jigs but I use time trusted methods that work as well with out a specially designed tool to supposedly make things easier. There are some real issues with some of their recently released tools.
@horatiobeaker
2 жыл бұрын
I love your products. They are both innovative and very well-made. But, I have trade in a small car every time I want to make a new purchase. Playing golf is, and buying a boat might actually be, a bargain compared to woodworking with quality tools.
@box0xB9
2 жыл бұрын
Is the Mortise Match a “Banggood” example of the direction that WP is going?
@jeremys5904
2 жыл бұрын
Can a toggle clamp be used instead of a screw clamp? Running that hand screw clamp adds too much time.
@WoodpeckersLLC
2 жыл бұрын
Any track clamp will work...screw, ratchet or toggle.
@BW-cw4lq
2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@heshameladrousy4546
2 жыл бұрын
good
@mdsmp
2 жыл бұрын
Love it
@Byoomholay
2 жыл бұрын
This is pretty scary. Here’s an idea, let’s massively over complicate what was hitherto a simple operation with all the necessary adjustments built into the Domino itself. This thing is dripping with over priced and redundant functionality that adds only time and not value to the operation in my view. I should add to that, no slur intended to Jeff Farris who is absolutely brilliant at presenting. I just think Woodpeckers have gone down a design cul de sac with this monstrosity and it really is aimed at old farts with nothing better to spend their pensions on. Sorry guys, blunt I know but the world would be a better place without this (unless one fell from space onto Putin’s head!!)
@chrisdalby4953
2 жыл бұрын
Extremely disappointed, the community is aware this is a direct copy of Carmonius Finsnickeri's Domino jig. You guys are aware and had time to make things right before releasing this video yet their has yet to be even credit given to him for the design. do better Woodpeckers...
@MrWookie1981
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree. Just wait for Lee Valley version where they do credit him
@mattstout610
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrWookie1981 Do you have a link to the Lee Valley version? Not buying WP's version unless they give credit where it is due.
@MrWookie1981
2 жыл бұрын
@@mattstout610 It has not released yet. From Ola "As announced by Veritas on festool owners group yesterday, they also have a similar jig to be released soon. As opposed to woodpecker, Veritas are paying me royalty. So, releasing plans with woodpeckers move in mind might be tempting, but those plans would compete with Veritas (and myself) who have treated me very well, so I would never do that."
@daveklein2826
2 жыл бұрын
The only thing the 2 have in common is a board with grooves in them. Woodpeckers has a ton more features
@MrWookie1981
2 жыл бұрын
@@daveklein2826 the key to the design is the flip mirror fence that references of the tabs of the Domino which is Ola's design. It is the "magic sauce" as this video puts it. That is what makes the jig work.
@RobyWanKenobi
Жыл бұрын
Anyone used this yet?
@mykl5062
Жыл бұрын
Yes I use it, principally to put small dominos into mitre corners, which makes it easy to clamp picture frames. After a bit of fiddling around and some jigs attached to the base to expand its functionality I’m very happy with it - genius and superior to the Veritas version
@RobyWanKenobi
Жыл бұрын
@@mykl5062 Thank you for your reply. Can you elaborate on what you mean by jigs attached to the base? I like that the Veritas version is bigger so curious on what you did?
@mykl5062
Жыл бұрын
I use the tracks in MM to bolt mdf jigs square to the fence. Because of MM low profile base and being able to clamp it down to a bench I think it takes a fair capacity. What I like about MM is the ease of lowering the domino base below the base for thin stock (and up and down generally) and the low profile of the base. I also use it without jigs effectively to clamp the domino, hold the wood securely against and use MM to adjust the height rather than the domino stops. I have two jigs one to reference the outside face of a picture frame to the domino rather than the inside which MM does with an angled piece. This is just mdf bolted to the base, snug to the fence and with a 135 degree angle ( whereas the protractor does 45 degrees) that the piece is set against as it would against the protractor. The second jig is to place a tenon in a 45 degree bevel against the domino face with the bevel long edge parallel to the MM base to put the tenon along the bevel rather than across the bevel, which I don’t think MM doesn’t otherwise do, and setting the domino fence at 45 degrees isn’t too good. It’s a big 45 degree triangle perpendicular to the fence and base on mdf that squares to the total length of the fence and is secured to the base. It really provides solid and square support for the triangle bit. I clamp the piece with bevelled end to the triangle with the bevelled edge firm against the domino base and the tenon goes along the bevel. You can see why my sons think I’m mad!
@RobyWanKenobi
Жыл бұрын
@@mykl5062just got mine in and been doing some test cuts with poor results. I had to swap one of the paddles to calibrate the domino when I first got it so when using the outside of the paddles to reference all my joints are 1mm off.
@mijicmugendo
2 жыл бұрын
What a rip off!! Disgraceful
@daveklein2826
2 жыл бұрын
yes you are disgraceful
@Michelangelo19571
2 жыл бұрын
I have had a Domino for years. With attachments, it does exactly what this contraption can do, just 10 times faster. This seems to be an overpriced, over-engineered jig that will collect dust in a large drawer.
@waytospergtherebro
2 жыл бұрын
Is this for people who can't figure out how to use the registration pins on the tool or just for bored old men with more money than sense?
@WoodpeckersLLC
2 жыл бұрын
No, it's for material that is too narrow for the registration pins to work and for mitered joints where the angle causes the mortise to be located in a bad position when using the pins.
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