seeing Ed Pinckney and Reggie Lewis alongside Bird, tells me this is 1989-90 season, not 1988.
@T.H.E.O.R.Y.
4 жыл бұрын
Nice work as always!
@70sfan
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Lewis.Alcindor
4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find this game in 1988-89. Are you sure it's not from 1989-1990? Moses first came to Atlanta in 88-89. Larry Bird, who's in this video, only played 6 games that season, and none against Atlanta
@realmusicentertainmentcompany
4 жыл бұрын
Moses Malone played for the Washington Bullets in 1988. Feel free to edit the title. This game is from the 1989-90 season.
@Repunza
3 жыл бұрын
Moses was traded to the Hawks in 1988.
@lloydkline6946
3 жыл бұрын
Mose Malone is alot older than Kevin McHale, Kevin McHale a man of 100 unorthodox low post 📫moves vs mose Malone street ball low ball low 📫post moves
@mustangwl
3 жыл бұрын
Moses is less than 3 years older than McHale. Hardly "alot".
@jpowell6418
3 жыл бұрын
I may be in the minority but THIS is basketball. Sure, shooting can benefit here some. But I'm not talking about the play style, I'm talking about how hard they're playing. These men are hitting each other. But no ones fighting. Today, it would be 4 techs and 2 flagrants lol
@tonygajate5780
3 жыл бұрын
You are in the minority only if you starting watching ball in the 2000s. The game has been dying and is barley fuckin watchable for anyone who grew up in the 1970s, 80s, or 90s watching and appreciating beautiful, fast paced, PASSIONATE, intelligent team basketball. What we have now is an absolute fuckin joke with ads all over it. EXPANSION has MURDERED the league along with rule and culture changes, totally fuckin up the greatest game ever created. I threw up in my mouth watching the 2006 finals, FOOOKIN garbage. That Heat team would have not even made the playoffs in the 80s and they won the title over who ? Dirk, Stackhouse, Doug Christie, Jason Terry. BOTH those teams would have been CLOWNED, SWEPT, MURDERED by the 80s Bucks, Hawks, Sonics, Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, MURDERED. Ahhh fat Shaq, old Payton, Alonzo and Wade vs Magic, Jabbar, Worthy, Mcadoo, Byron Scott, Jamaal Wilkes, Cooper... ohhh fuck pleeease. Steph , Clay, Draymond, Durant vs Bird, Mchale, Parish, DJohnson, Walton, Ainge. The 1980 - 86 Celtics would have swept the 2016 Warriors EXACTLY like how the 2015 Spurs diarrhea SHAT all over the Heat, embarrassing... MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA put a crimp in Currys game in the FINALS. What the FOOOOOK do you think a Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, Mario Van ellie, Nick Van excel, Joe Dumars, Sidney Moncrief would have done to 190lb Steph Curry ??? He would get posted up, bullied and benched with 3 fouls by halftime, guess what back then you could actually PLAY defense and his game would be put in their back pockets. Wake up these guys shoot 12 threes a game with guys feigning defense and there is NO center to punch your shit, EVERY statistic after 2000 should have an asterisk after it. If you ever get food poisoning and need to throw up go watch any All-star photo op from 2010 on up, can't call it a game THEN go watch an All Star game from the 80s - what will you see? PRIDE, PASSION , players were not exchanging jerseys and giving eachother tweet blowjobs. See Donovan Mitchell get tossed the other day ??? Yeah that is what the NBA is now, pussified, scrubbed of all emotion and competitiveness with 105 players that belong in the G league. Name the starting lineup of the Atlanta Hawks now, in the 1980s the fucking North Carolina Tarheels would have beat that team and half of the current league.
@marnixgroen4464
3 жыл бұрын
@@tonygajate5780 Nostalgia is one hell of a thing isn't it? As with everything basketball evolves and we should appreciate both era's. The league being less physical is a fact and I can understand that one could prefer the old days where no one could run through the paint without getting hit at least once. However the fact of the matter is that nowadays careers tend to be longer and injuries seem to be less frequent. We also get to see some amazing shooting performances that no player in the 80's or 90's could recreate, have you seen Lillard and Curry in the All star game? Just amazing. I'm not saying that you're wrong I'm just saying that you could lose the pure hatred glasses and enjoy the talents that the NBA has today,. 80's and 90's basketball is gone and in 10 years 20's basketball will be over, I'm just glad I am appreciating what the NBA has to offer at every moment. The refs do suck.
@tonygajate5780
3 жыл бұрын
@@marnixgroen4464 Marnix Groen, basketball fan, the forces that changed the game are corporate and for purely economic reasons, this style of basketball is not an organic evolution of the sport. If it entertains you to watch guys shoot 25' jumpers with 18 seconds on the shot clock against a feigning defender then watch any game now. Let me stress the utter no defence part, in 1989 three referees came, (more calls, slower game, more commercials, more revenue) after 2005 you couldn't touch a player anymore, (hand check gone) now in 2021 you can't even stare at your opponent or ref for more than 1.7 seconds or you may be ejected and if you brush against somebody too hard it will be a flagrant foul. The NBA has been devolving for 2 decades, not evolving. After all the physical, low scoring, defensive minded playoff series involving the Knicks and the Heat, in the Alonzo mourning, Allan Houston days, that was the final straw for the NBA and they decided that to grow the fan base people would want to see high scoring games, so rule changes to boost scoring was made. Then expansion continued which gave us about 105 EXTRA players in the league that wouldn't be there in the 80s because there wasn't that many teams then. It was 23 teams with 12 players instead of 30 teams with 15 players, which kept the quality of the game high and very competitive. Now we have garbage teams in small and big markets which means more advertising dollars for the NBA and its a big corporate win BUT for true sports fans who appreciate quality and competition we lose HARD. Damian Lillard got shut down in the playoffs by Dru Holiday in a league where U can't even fuckin touch each other and there is no center. Matthew dellavedova got into step currys ass in the finals under these pussy rules. IMAGINE if you could actually TOUCH a player on defense how much more shut down they would have been. Remember when Jordan was averaging 37 points, he went home 7 years in a row, MJ was watching the playoffs from his sofa UNTIL he learned that shooting 35 times a game wasn't going to win him shit. Remember when he TORCHED the Celtics for 63pts ? He lost, Bird had 36 and the W. Basketball is a wonderful team game that has turned into a game of horse, where dudes who make 11 million a year and who should be playing in Greece are shooting threes on 3 on 1 fast breaks. The NBA of today compared to previous 2000 play is like comparing the NFL to flag football. I am going to guess that you are under 35 years old so this style of NBA is all you know. Well its pathetic compared to what it once was and it does not have to be like this. It hurts to see the game dismantled and presented like this. Hitting a 25' jump shot does not make you a basketball player it makes you a jump shooter with a penchant for poor shot selection. Michael Westbrook , James Harding, John Wall, tremendous physical offensive talents but all have the basketball IQ of a ping pong ball. Durant just might save us from the annual Harding playoff meltdown. The closest thing we've had to the quality of basketball that was in the 80s was the 2015 spurs who beat the Heat by playing SIMPLE TEAM BALL, cut , move, not iso, pull up for 3. I am not saying that the current players are trash, plenty of great players but many are just ridiculously overrated. To compare Embid to Akeem or Shaq is just laughable. To call Luka the second coming of Bird is a bad joke. To compare Kyrie to Iverson is a huge joke. oh Kyrie is nice but before Lebron got to Cleveland he couldn't even get them to the playoffs and when he went to Boston we saw what a great leader he was NOT. Iverson took grade c talent like Eric Snow, Matt Geiger and Theo Radliff to the FINALS and won a game against the SHAQ, KOBE Lakers and to get there he beat PRIME Ray Allen and PRIME Vince Carter. Kyrie can't lead anyone out of a paper bag, he is a Robin not a Batman. PRIME AI all day, everyday over Kyrie. I am saying that the current culture, style of play, rule changes and officiating are mad shitty. Back in the day it would have been absolutely fuckin unheard of to even JOKINGLY suggest to name the All Star game Team Magic vs Team Bird. No player would have shown up, too many Alphas, no one was taking a backseat to another player, it is EAST vs WEST, period, at least it was and should still be. I wish the NBA was not like this for all our sakes and the recent ridiculous ejections may lead to some change but I seriously doubt that. Watch old 70, 80, 90s games on KZitem if you want to see basketball played with intelligence, passion and pride. Start with June 04, 1976, Boston vs Phoenix if you've never seen it. Enjoy
@marnixgroen4464
3 жыл бұрын
@@tonygajate5780 If I can find the series between Phoenix and Boston I'll check it out 100%, thanks! And yes I am under 35, I started watching in 2013 which means that the first finals I ever watched was the one were the Spurs beat the heat in 2014. I wanted to emphasize, prior to getting into your points, that I'm not trying to change your mind. I just wish I could change your hatred-filled perspective of something that isn't exactly the way it is nowadays than it was when you grew up. You're saying that the NBA is less competitive nowadays because there are more players, I disagree. One of the advantages that the commercializing of the NBA has brought with it is global expansion. The NBA has way more nationalities and foreign players today than it used to in the 70/80/90's. Just looking at the amazing 1985-86 Boston Celtics, they're all American, there isn't a single team in the league that can say the same today. And that doesn't have anything to do with cultural diversification, it's because foreign talented players are getting chances that they wouldn't have had in the 1900's and I believe that talent-wise the league hasn't suffered despite allowing more players to put on a NBA-uniform. You spoke about the comparison between players in different era's, I've never liked that because NBA basketball has changed alot over the years so a proper comparison can never be made completely. I wanted to reflect on your comparison between Irving and Iverson. Iverson is the better basketball player, clearly. He has the heart, determination and love for basketball that Kyrie replaces with unorthodox actions and statements. However, they're not as far apart as you make it look. I believe offensively they're on the same level, Iverson would always drive to the rim no matter how hard he was going to get hit and Kyrie misses that fearlessness. But Kyrie is a better shooter. Defensively it is not the same, Iverson is on the all-time list for steals and had the heart and will to stop anyone, Irving prefers to talk about flat earths. You're also refering to the 2000 playoffs which were amazing, I've seen the first game of the 2000 NBA finals countless times and I will never get enough of the stepover which automatically put Iverson on my all time favorite players. But as you were listing Iverson's teammates you seem to have forgotten the allstar/dpoy-teammate Dikembe Mutombo which I thought was interesting. I believe that one playoff run doesn't determine your career. I won't get into the allstar game because I don't care, the game doesn't matter to anything championship related which means that I don't care. As I've said previously I don't agree with the current refereeing at all, the ridiculous ejections for passing a ball with spin or putting your hands up should be tuned down. You also seem to have forgotten that the reason that MJ won wasn't just him shooting the ball less. Both Pippen and Grant stepped up, Jackson introduced a new system and the bad boys weren't who they used to be. If you use players and their accomplishments as an argument, don't decontextualize them. I should get back to studying, but I couldn't leave without this final message. NBA basketball of the 70/80/90's is gone my man, and it's not coming back. You can continue to live in and glorify the past but that doesn't change the style of basketball today. Please try and appreciate the brilliance of players like Curry, Luka, Harden, Antentokounmpo, Durant, IRVING, Lillard en LeBron without looking at them through 80's glasses because the game has changed. Otherwise I would advise to start watching a different sport because continuing to hate on the NBA of today won't get you anywhere and you're ruining the experience that young NBA lovers, such as my 20-year old self, still have and I'm guessing you used to have. *Final question out of interest, when did you start watching the league?
@tonygajate5780
3 жыл бұрын
@@marnixgroen4464 You are mistaking my judgement of the poor state of the sport for hate which I don't carry. Criticism is not hate, two different animals. You are personalizing my comments and defending the NBA you know and want to love, I'm not trying to stop you, I am not judging your taste but rather the way the game itself has changed for the worse since I have been watching it the last 45 years. It is interesting that you see the All Star game as worthless because that is what it has become. Before it was an actual showcase of the world's greatest players playing with pride. The players did not make 10 million a year so the bonus money meant something and the pride of playing in an All Star game had value, players didn't have a Brand to market and protect they had skills they desperately wanted to showcase, it was passionately competitive come the second half of the games, players REALLY wanted to win. For the last decade or more the All Star game has been just a photo op. The point I was trying to make about saying that MJ went home for 7 years before he was taught how to win was to illustrate the importance of intelligence and coaching and not just athleticism. The game was played better, coached better, defense was better, players were better, played with waaay more intensity and at a waaay faster pace. When is the last time you saw an executed fast break in an NBA game? Now on a 3 on 1 break guys shoot 3's, that's not good basketball. When I watch a game and see 14 possessions in a row and both teams are shooting threes with 15 seconds on the shot clock, that is not good coaching, that is no coaching. The players run the game, they are 20 years old making 8 million a year and who would rather tweet than compete and 1/4 of every roster in the NBA will be playing in Europe within 6 years and that is due to expansion because they never should have been in the league in the first place. In any sport or gathering, what is a more competitive setting - 50 great players competing on 10 teams or 50 great players competing spread out over 25 teams ? Clearly the less people in the room, only the best ones no extras, all alphas, the more competitive things get. You point to expansion as the reason that European players were accepted, that has nothing to do with it, it was because they were/are great and once we Americans overcame our arrogance because they started beating us, it was obvious they belonged. Regarding Mutumbo, he was no Ewing, Smits, Parish, Akeem or even a Prime Cartwright, he played great D with energy and that's it. Iverson took "C" level talent to the finals on his back, Kyrie is very nice but he is no leader. Head to head Iverson would eat Kyrie up like he did everybody else and here is the critical difference Dame, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook play in league were you can't be touched and there is no defense below to worry about so all their numbers inflate them to more than they are. There is no Sampson, Eaton, Bol, D. Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Mourning to punch your shit into the third row. There is no Buck williams, Anthony Mason, Mahon, Ruland, Rodman, Cummings, McHale, Bob Lanier to put a forearm in your neckbone when you come into the lane, the rules of the game have changed to make it an emotionless, pussified jump shooting contest. That is not hate in any way, that is just an observable unfortunate fact. The 1st game I ever saw in person was at Madison Square Garden, Knicks vs Braves because Bob Mcadoo was my favourite player at the time and then in 1976 I lived in Philly and when Dr. J came I was at every practice at F&M college in Lancaster watching my Sixers with my Converse on and I got to know and talk to him a little (awesome story behind that, which could NEVER happen today) and I have his game worn sneakers and wristbands and other stuff that he gave me. My 5th grade teacher was friends with Pat Williams, the GM of the Sixers at the time and when I was in the hospital the whole team sent me autographed photos and Darryl Dawkins wrote to me "to supercool Titanic Tony Get well soon. from Sir Slam Daryl Doctor Dunk Dawkins" and Tug Mcgraw the Philadelphia Phillies Ace reliever called me in the hospital and asked me who my favourite player was and I said Reggie Jackson, you know when your 12 yrs old you can't lie about important shit like that. I was a Yankee fan even though the Phillies had just won the title and I lived in Pennsylvania. So find the game from June 4th, 1976 - Boston vs Phoenix, is a triple overtime playoff game that I watched running back-and-forth trying to get my mom's attention so she could watch it with me but she could give a shit, have been a fan ever since that day, that game many say was the best in history. I wrote to John Havlichek after that and other players but he was the first player to ever mail me back an autographed 8x10, the autograph was a stamp though, bummer. Watch hilights of that game on KZitem, Watch videos of the 1983 Bucks swept the Larry Legend Celtics to see Marques Johnson, a forgotten superstar and watch the 1984 Nets eliminate the defending champion 76ers to see real aggressive, fast paced ball. Sugar Ray Richardson in his prime before getting banned for drugs. The NBA was sooooo special back then, Jabbar, Maravich, Gervin, Bernard King, Gilmore, Dr. J, D Thompson, Havlichek, Westpaul, Sampson, Kemp. You see back then they didn't classify the positions so much, everyone was a weapon, it's a team game, there was no iso ball. Now we accept a guy like Ben Simmons who will not shoot and open 8 ft jumper and he is called a star, when you go into the playoffs you are playing 4 on 5 on offence with him. The over rating of these players is laughable. Players of different generations can be compared because so many have long careers. Jabbar in his fuckin twilight years, on his last legs, averaged 22 against brand shinny new Akeem, that is in his 16th fucking year and he still worked him, had 40 one game against the Dream. Stockton, karl Malone, Vince Carter, Jabbar had 15 - 20 year careers look at the players that you thought were old and slow and at the end of their careers when those guys were rookies playing against them and that will tell you a whole alot about what the NBA was. The fact that you can enjoy this game this way just shows that you love the sport, wish you could have seen the glory years. I was in the Spectrum game 6, 1980 when Magic had 42 and everyone forgets Jamaal Wilkes had 37 to beat my Sixers w/o an injured Jabbar that was a long quiet ride home. But I was also on Broad street at the parade in 1983 when the 76ers won it all.
@poligonzo5300
3 жыл бұрын
In this era they will be taking 3 point shots all night, u think I watch this garbage NBA nowadays, oh hell no, boring as fuck, they run from one side to the other looking to take a half court shot, flopping like valerinas, and the whistle every time you touch them , wait what?
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